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Post# 1004434 8/21/2018 at 23:51 (2,071 days old) by Supersuds  (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Does anybody remember this? There isn't a whole lot of information about it that I can find, other than it was probably introduced in the late 1950s. I got a deal on some of it recently and was wondering what the heck the ingredients were.
The wrapper says it is special because it is made with cold cream, has a "gentle germ remover which washes away bacteria that can cause blemishes and body odors" and, finally, contains "DERMASIL, [which] transforms soap into a new skin care idea -- a miracle of mildness, cleanliness. DERMASIL is the Lever Brothers Trade Mark for acyl methyl taurate." Acyl methyl taurate is merely a surfactant derived from coconuts. Could the "germ remover" be hexachlorophene, maybe?
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Post# 1004435 , Reply# 1 8/21/2018 at 23:52 (2,071 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Post# 1004436 , Reply# 2 8/22/2018 at 00:22 (2,071 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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I remember hearing the word Dermisil on commercials in the late 50’s and early 60’s. The “germ remover” very well could have been hexachlorophene, it was a widely used germicide used then.
Phisohex, whose active bacteriacide was hexochlorphene, was a very much used product for washing any cuts of abrasions, for acne, and anytime you wanted to make a body surface bacteria free. Then in the early 80’s it was banned and went off the market. As I recall they took hexachlorphene off the market because it was determined to be harmful to the liver. My Mom worked for a country doctor and we used Phisohex all the time. In fact I once got a very severe staph infection on my face, with very painful boils, and the doctor prescribed that I wash my entire body with Phisohex every time I showered to eradicate the staph infection and prevent it from spreading anywhere else. Once hexochlorphene went out of use Betadine was used to replace it in many instances. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1004441 , Reply# 3 8/22/2018 at 02:40 (2,071 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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My research shows
DERMASIL was Lever Brothers trademarked name for Tribromsalicylanilide, a potent (and rather often nasty it seems) antibacterial agent. Lever Brothers allowed the trademark to "die" back in 1960...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salicylani... pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compoun... Near as one can figure out there were reports of skin contact photodermatitis and or other issues. journal.scconline.org/abstracts/c... Lever Bros. seems to be all over the place with marketing/positing of Praise soap. It was a "beauty cream bar", blemish and also deodorant soap. My guess is the disinfectant Dermasil took care of the last two, while the cream or whatever did the first. Interestingly Lever Bros. launched Dove soap in 1957, and it was an instant success. www.mapleholistics.com/bl... | ||
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Post# 1004457 , Reply# 4 8/22/2018 at 06:09 (2,070 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Hexachlorophene was discontinued in hospital use when it was determined that it could pass through the skin of babies. That does not seem like it was a reason to stop surgical scrubbing and hand washing sink use of it; just keep it out of the nursery areas. | ||
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Post# 1004470 , Reply# 5 8/22/2018 at 10:17 (2,070 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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I Stand Corrected
about the discontinuance of Phisohex. It used to be available without a prescription and many households had one of the ubiquitous green bottles of it on hand for cleaning cuts and abrasions.
Then latter on a prescription was required to obtain in, and still latter on it just didn’t seem to be recommended for use in a household setting at all anymore. Going on what I assumed was the reason, liver damage due to absorption thru the skin was my mistake,never assume! After reading Tom’s post, I did a search, and attached the link below. So, it still is used in hospital settings, but not on infants, and there are other precautions as well. All I know is that doctors used to write prescriptions for it, and in the early 80’s when I asked a dermotologist for a script for Phisohex, he said that it wasn’t being prescribed anymore, at least by him. Sorry for the incorrect info. Eddie CLICK HERE TO GO TO ea56's LINK This post was last edited 08/22/2018 at 11:02 | ||
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Post# 1004475 , Reply# 6 8/22/2018 at 11:48 (2,070 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Post# 1004486 , Reply# 7 8/22/2018 at 14:26 (2,070 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Belive in some other countries Hexachlorophene
Is totally banned. However as noted here in USA it was withdrawn from over counter use; but still can be had via prescription and or use within controlled settings (surgical scrub). So if you can find a doctor willing to write the script, Phisohex can be had....
Phenol compounds (as once found in Lifebouy/carbolic soap) has been withdrawn and or banned (IIRC much of Europe is latter); but can be had elsewhere. Ironically once hexachlorophene was banned, things moved to triclosan; now it is restricted/banned as well. www.aafp.org/news/health-... | ||
| Post# 1004499 , Reply# 8 8/22/2018 at 15:48 (2,070 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Hexachlorophene soaps... We had them too. The hexachlorophene content is now banned, but 'Cidal' soap is still on the go, now owned - I think - by Lornamead ('Vosene' shampoo). They've also got that other old war horse, 'Wright's Coal Tar Soap'. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Rolls_rapide's LINK
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Post# 1004522 , Reply# 9 8/22/2018 at 19:28 (2,070 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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I quite fancy it!
Have some "white" coal tar soap (Grandpa's) and it is a treat in the bath. Is coconut oil based, makes tons of lather and is just that wonderful. Smell was a bit off putting at first, but is light and doesn't linger much after bathing.
Now Lifebouy (carbolic) soap of old cannot abide. Got a stash off fleaPay some time ago and using one bar put one right off. Leaving aside the scent (was like bathing with Lysol), it dried out one's skin something awful. | ||
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Post# 1004525 , Reply# 10 8/22/2018 at 19:41 (2,070 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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The Old Time bar soap I wish I could still buy is Palmolive. I loved the scent, just smelled clean and fresh, with out being overly floral. It cleaned nicely, and was harder than Ivory, so it lasted longer too, ever thinking of the “Thrifty” side of things.
We use Ivory Bar soap at the kitchen and bathroom sinks for hand and face washing. In the the shower I like Zest or Dial, David uses Old Spice Body Wash, I still like an old fashioned bar of deoderant soap for the shower. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1004540 , Reply# 11 8/22/2018 at 23:33 (2,070 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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"My research shows DERMASIL was Lever Brothers trademarked name for Tribromsalicylanilide, a potent (and rather often nasty it seems) antibacterial agent. Lever Brothers allowed the trademark to "die" back in 1960..."
Wow. That is bizarre, since one of my bars of Praise specifically says DERMASIL was their trademark for acyl methyl taurate, as mentioned in the original post! Some Madison Avenue shell game going on here most likely. BTW, this link indicates that the trademark for tribromsalicylanilide as DERMASIL was renewed in 1980 and not allowed to lapse until 2001. trademarks.justia.com/720/90/der... Thanks for the research, Launderess. | ||
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Post# 1004541 , Reply# 12 8/22/2018 at 23:42 (2,070 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Regarding hexachlorophene, I've obtained several brands of vintage soap that have it, including Dial (which called it AT-7) and Colgate Beauty Soap from 1956. There's a surprising number of these old bars of soap on Ebay, though most of them are too overpriced to bother with. I do use them off and on in the summer, but not continuously since there is a concern about the hexachlorophene building up on the skin with constant use.
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Post# 1004543 , Reply# 14 8/22/2018 at 23:45 (2,070 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Lornamead | ||
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Post# 1004545 , Reply# 15 8/23/2018 at 00:38 (2,070 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Dermasil Trademark Date
Very well could be misread things (it has been known to happen), and got 1960 as an end date. Sorry.
Acyl methyl taurate seems to be a surfactant: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurates#P... Lever Bros. held (or still holds) several patents relating: patents.google.com/patent/US5496... Scroll down to end of patent: patents.google.com/patent/US5496... Lever Bros. certainly registered tribromsalicylanilide incorporated as an ingredient in soap trademarks.justia.com/720/90/der... Interestingly Lever Bros. also produced Lux dishwashing liquid with "Dermasil" No mention of antibacterial properties, but does go on about caring for skin. This was one of the properties promoted with Praise soap as well. | ||
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Post# 1004546 , Reply# 16 8/23/2018 at 00:43 (2,070 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Lifebouy Soap
All mine is NOS, quite old matter of fact. Some bars from the 1950's others maybe later or earlier.
Either way once was enough. They now all sit stashed away. Most of my bars of Lifebuoy look like this: www.worthpoint.com/wortho... | ||
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Post# 1004641 , Reply# 17 8/23/2018 at 23:29 (2,069 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Post# 1004695 , Reply# 18 8/24/2018 at 15:56 (2,068 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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I remember Dermasil being in Lux Liquid dish detergent, as that was what my mom almost always used until Dawn was introduced. | ||
| Post# 1004765 , Reply# 19 8/25/2018 at 06:23 (2,067 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Toilet soaps... I miss this one... (courtesy of Pinterest)
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| Post# 1004767 , Reply# 20 8/25/2018 at 06:28 (2,067 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Lux... ... with tuppence off... (Courtesy of Picclick
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| Post# 1004773 , Reply# 21 8/25/2018 at 07:32 (2,067 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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You can Still get Lux, @Rolls, but only Morrison’s sells it, I buy regularly. You can also order on Amazon (either pink or white on there), but dearer than Morrison’s (works out at about £1.25 a bar). CLICK HERE TO GO TO liamy1's LINK | ||
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Post# 1005018 , Reply# 22 8/27/2018 at 00:51 (2,066 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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I really liked Lux dishwashing liquid and was bummed when it was discontinued.
I can report that Praise soap is excellent. It seems much milder than other deodorant soaps of the day such as Dial or Safeguard. It’s kind of the granddaddy of Lever 2000, the excellent soap that came out in the 1980s and is still around, although the current Mexican-made bars are lousy. | ||
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Post# 1005032 , Reply# 23 8/27/2018 at 06:37 (2,065 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Am actually working through a large stash of vintage Zest
Mother's brand and was always in our bathrooms at home, so had to go for it on fleaPay.
Like the scent and fact Zest like Dove is a syndet: www.stephensonpersonalcar... So just like Dove, Zest can't dry one's skin like soap. *LOL* Which is rather good since with this continued damp and hot water am in and out of shower several times a day it seems. | ||
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Post# 1005098 , Reply# 24 8/27/2018 at 18:30 (2,065 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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Great minds!
I've also been using a stash of Zest recently. In my case, the scent reminds me of an aunt I used to visit. Adolescent me was instructed by a dermatologist to use only Ivory, Dial, or Safeguard, so that's all we had at home.
The Zest they sell today is okay, but nothing special. Man, they had leisurely commercials back then, lol. | ||
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Post# 1005179 , Reply# 25 8/28/2018 at 08:34 (2,064 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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| Post# 1005237 , Reply# 26 8/28/2018 at 15:44 (2,064 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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@liamy1: Ah! Thanks! I hadn't seen Lux since the early 2000's, when they came out with the versions of orange, and blue, in the clear plastic wrap (nothing like the proper Lux). It's no longer a Unilever product. It's owned by Cert Brands Ltd. | ||
| Post# 1005240 , Reply# 27 8/28/2018 at 16:01 (2,064 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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@Rolls Good news for you, the Lux at Morrison’s IS Unilever (I have just taken the attached pics now) | ||
| Post# 1005242 , Reply# 28 8/28/2018 at 16:06 (2,064 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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And... I’ve just now read the back of the soap pack (and I’m seriously confused) can indeed see CERT brands on it, so why on Earth is the Unilever logo on it? Is CERT a division of them? | ||
| Post# 1005306 , Reply# 30 8/29/2018 at 00:10 (2,064 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
Hi Stefan | ||
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Post# 1005314 , Reply# 31 8/29/2018 at 03:31 (2,063 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Stan, a real Syndet is based on man made surfactants only and usually labeled as soap free and neutral in pH.
A Hybrid contains both soap and man made surfactants as well to prevent the formation of soap film or soap scum. I`m not entirely sure how it can be done but I think some Hybrids even are altered to a neutral pH or at least one that is lower than that of real soap. Others are just soap with a chemical surfactant added to improve rinseability but still high in pH like ordinary soap. This post was last edited 08/29/2018 at 03:48 | ||
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Post# 1005321 , Reply# 32 8/29/2018 at 04:23 (2,063 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Being as that may
After an extensive internet search cannot find any mention of what exactly is a "hybrid" soap.
OTOH there are scores of pages on syndet (short for "synthetic detergent") bar, and DOVE along with others fall under that category. This despite their soap content. At least in the United States the word "soap" is regulated by government when it comes to consumer goods. Dove, Zest and other syndet products are *NOT* labeled soaps because far as US government is concerned they aren't. Thus they call themselves beauty, face, cream, body, and other "bars", but not soap. www.fda.gov/cosmetics/pro... Early Lever Bros. patents disclose reasons for including soap in their detergent bars. It had to do with giving product certain qualities and production. patents.google.com/patent/US2894... patents.google.com/patent/US3376... | ||
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Post# 1005331 , Reply# 33 8/29/2018 at 07:01 (2,063 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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After an extensive internet search cannot find any mention..
Gosh, somebody really has to have the last word on everything.
Try the terms "combar" or "combination bar" if "hybrid" doesn`t work out satisfactorily enough for you. It may be that syndets and soaps are clearly defined by trade laws in the USA and elsewhere around the globe. Apparently this does not prevent insiders of the toiletries` industry to use even more specific technical terms. But let`s not be too fussy now, sometimes for example the term soap powder in the right context is just as good as the term detergent, don`t you agree ? www.verywellhealth.com/ty... books.google.de/booksQUESTIONMAR... | ||
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Post# 1005332 , Reply# 34 8/29/2018 at 07:37 (2,063 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Post# 1005552 , Reply# 37 8/30/2018 at 19:33 (2,062 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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I thought this Praise name was a Christian type soap that cleanses your sins out and us stupid Catholics went to confession and now just could shower and forget it down the drain. I never heard of that soap around here.
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Post# 1005565 , Reply# 38 8/30/2018 at 22:54 (2,062 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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| Post# 1005574 , Reply# 39 8/31/2018 at 02:04 (2,062 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Dove Beauty Bar
A "Syndet" is P.H neutral. (If anyone is interested)
Ivory Soap is still actually soap, made with saponified natural fats, no synthetics, retaining its glycerin, and tests out as being above neutral.. As a real soap should. We Americans often use the word "soap" in reference to dish, and laundry "detergent" Soap was first, and the word has stuck. Its very commen for someone to say that they need "dish soap" or "laundry soap" when techniicly they mean detergent. So Stephan, when you said "Hybird" in relation to the topic.. I was thrown off.. its why I asked the question as to what your definition was..thought you may be using it interchangeably. Thank you Laundress for providing the info. Now I know the word "Hybird" didn't get added by the Scientific community for the chemistry, while I was out fishing LOL | ||
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Post# 1005576 , Reply# 40 8/31/2018 at 05:15 (2,061 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Stan pH neutral in the context of cosmetics is a wide ranging term. There`s pH neutral which technically as we know is exactly pH 7, the pH of distilled water.
Then there`s "pH neutral to the skin" which isn`t exactly pH neutral but slightly acidic to match the pH of healthy human skin. It`s usually around pH 5-5,5. Now let`s not talk about the FDA`s definition of soap like Ivory. It`s clear that soap by definition mustn`t contain any man made surfactants. Again a Real Syndet by definition of the cosmetics industry, not sure about trade laws, such as a Eucerin or Sebamed bar (you know these niche brands in the USA, too ?) is pH neutral to the skin (acidic) and does not contain any real soap. There might be fatty acids in those products to give them texture but those are not saponified as in hybrids. Then there`s hybrids or combinationbars (did anyone care to read the links in previous post?) like Dove which are usually just called syndets or detergent bars to make things not too complicated for consumers, but strictly speaking they aren`t because of their soap content. Looks like the term syndet is not as clearly regulated as the term soap is. According to Launderess` link to the patents of Dove it is pH neutral but not exactly "neutral to the skin" at a pH of 6,8-7,2. This doesn`t surprise me because otherwise the soap content wouldn`t stay soap for a long time if Dove were more acidic like a pure syndet would be. Vintage Zest, another hybrid (1990s vintage is what I know personally) is different again, I can tell this from the ingredients list. It is just soap with a man made sufactant added to prevent the formation of soap scum. I bet my house and farm it is just as alkaline in pH as ordinary soap is (around pH 10 ?). Of course it can`t be called soap by trade laws. Just think of shaving cream when you think of Zest. There`s usually a surfactant added as well to keep razor blades clean on contact with hard water minerals, but it is still high in pH to soften the beard easily. Launderess, my reference to Baby Jane was stupid and not clear enough. Non of us makes a good crazy sadistic Jane or a poor pathetic Blanche. I was only thinking of those two diehard divas. But I very much prefer to be challenged over being surrounded only by people who say what I want to hear. On the other hand my primary motivation to post here is because it`s fun to do so. No intention to receive a doctor`s degree. | ||
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Post# 1005587 , Reply# 41 8/31/2018 at 09:36 (2,061 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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"Now I know the word "Hybird" didn't get added by the Scientific community for the chemistry, while I was out fishing LOL."
I don`t think so. According to the "Scientific" book Skin Cleansing with Synthetic Detergents "The chemically well-defined soaps and non-soap detergent products have now been joined by hybrid products known as combination bars which contain different portions of soap together with synthetic detergents and so on " While it`s not exactly the most common term saying it would be unscientific is kind of ignorant in my opinion. The link to the FDA`s definition of the term soap isn`t 100% clear as well in my opinion. Among a lot of other things it says: "To be regulated as “soap,” those “alkali salts of fatty acids” must be the only material that results in the product’s cleaning action. If the product contains synthetic detergents, it’s a cosmetic, not a soap. You still can use the word “soap” on the label." You can still use the word soap on the label... Seriously ? What exactly did I miss again ? Besides there`s not a word about what would scientifically define a syndet, they only refer to cosmetics and drugs other than soaps. Problem is when somebody provides a lot of links to verify their standpoint all the time it would be nice to have the decency to carefully read what the link says before posting. IIRC we`ve just had this in the Sunscreen thread where one of the links recommended what another warned against. No-one likes to get fooled like this even when someone otherwise frequently makes good points. This post was last edited 08/31/2018 at 10:01 | ||
| Post# 1005658 , Reply# 42 8/31/2018 at 21:18 (2,061 days old) by Stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Yes
I'm aware of what the P.H of skin and hair is supposed to be.
And yes I did read the link you provided, thank you. However as a soap maker myself, I didn't read anything in the link, or about soap that I didn't know. As you've pointed out 7 is still neutral. Normal heathy skin has a amazing way of returning to its acid mantel within a short period of time, even when something more alkaline than 5.5 has been used to clean it. Please don't kill the messager, but yes we are "serious" Dove, Zest, Careess, Lever, and even Ivory do not use the word "soap" on the labels here in the U.S Besides the regulations Laundess mentioned..the patents and info she posted, I suspect that the word "soap" in relation to cosmetic use is considered vorbotton. Meaning that there is a negative contagion to "soap" being used on ones face. And frankly real soap is not the best choice for that use.. not because of the P.H factor so much, but due to other factors.. Who the hell is Baby Jane? LOL | ||
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Post# 1005660 , Reply# 43 8/31/2018 at 21:33 (2,061 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Who the hell is Baby Jane? LOL
Why Stan, this would be none other than Miss Baby Jane Hudson, of “What Ever Happened To Baby Jane”, the 1962 movie starring Bette Davis as Baby Jane Hudson, and Joan Crawford as her crippled sister, Blanche Hudson.
If you haven’t seen it, you must! It’s a tour de force for these aging actresses, and very camp! Eddie | ||
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Post# 1005663 , Reply# 44 8/31/2018 at 22:07 (2,061 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Oh, Blanche; Did you know we have rats in the cellar? | ||
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Post# 1009259 , Reply# 45 10/1/2018 at 08:37 (2,030 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Put a fresh bar of vintage Zest soap in the bath
From wrapper patent listed is: patents.google.com/patent/US3070...
Had no idea this soap was from the l950's or early 1960's. Still lathers up a treat and is great in the bath. | ||
| Post# 1009266 , Reply# 47 10/1/2018 at 10:45 (2,030 days old) by sfh074 ( ) | ||
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Hexachlorophene in soap and cosmetics history Actually a quite interesting read .... cosmeticsandskin.com/efe/hexachl... | ||
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