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Thread Number: 76611
/ Tag: Refrigerators
1962 GE Frost Guard Refrigerator |
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| Post# 1004700 8/24/2018 at 18:30 (2,070 days old) by Ashaw86 (Spartanburg, South Carolina) | ||
Hey guys, just bought a set of 1962 GE appliances. When the refrigerator was delivered I let it rest for a day then plugged it in. When I tried it the relay was buzzing but no start for the compressor. I tried getting another relay thinking that was the problem but same problem. This time when tapping the cold control that’s when it started buzzing and the lights inside dimmed. So I went around back quickly and the guardette was glowing orange evaporator fan was starting to spin relay was buzzing then poof nothing. In the wiring diagrams for 1958 I can’t find 1962 there’s no capacitor shown. Any ideas of how to get the refrigerator running again? Was running before moved. Thank tou
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Post# 1004737 , Reply# 2 8/24/2018 at 23:33 (2,070 days old) by Ultramatic  (New York City) |
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| Post# 1004755 , Reply# 3 8/25/2018 at 04:22 (2,070 days old) by Ashaw86 (Spartanburg, South Carolina) | ||
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Hey David thank you for your reply. I assumed it was a moving mishap but I’m still learning refrigerators and not hearing the compressor even try to start is troubling.
I did replace the start relay thinking the problem was there. After replacing it I still have the same condition but this time no sound at all. For some reason I tapped the cold control lightly and it started buzzing again that’s when I was able to see the thermal overload glow red from the back and now nothing again. The relay part number I bought is 3ARR12 PAC315A. The first part of the part number matches the original the second doesn’t but I inspected the wiring and it has the same set up as the original. I’ll have to get the part number off the original relay. I’ll get more photos today and post them. I thought about bypassing the thermal switch to see if I could get it to start thinking the overload may be weak and not allowing enough current to flow. But I haven’t tried that yet. Picture of the new relay below for now.
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| Post# 1004760 , Reply# 6 8/25/2018 at 05:22 (2,070 days old) by ashaw86 (Spartanburg, South Carolina) | ||
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As far as I can tell it was left upright the entire move. I will look up the Supco hard start device you recommend to see if that helps the problem. I believe the old relay saying 1/3hp on it. The new one does not have this printed on the label. I will compare the two more closely, but they look very similar in winding. I could not find an exact match when searching for the relay so this one was the closest I could get. I will compare more closely.
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| Post# 1004763 , Reply# 8 8/25/2018 at 06:10 (2,070 days old) by Ashaw86 (Spartanburg, South Carolina) | ||
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Post# 1004775 , Reply# 9 8/25/2018 at 08:47 (2,070 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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The 3 In One Relay 1/4-1/3 HP
Is what you need to try, if it does not work try connecting a power cord directly to the relay to power just the compressor for testing purposes [ this eliminates any chance the compressors problems are related to cabinet wiring, thermostat, timer etc. ].
The bad news about this otherwise great ref is if it still has the original compressor it is unlikely to cool properly. GE had major problems with compressors from around 1956-1964 wearing out quickly, they basically lost compression, the good news is that it is very likely that it has already been replaced. look for signs that the refrigeration lines were once cut and rebrazed, also look for a tag tied to a line near the compressor stating that the compressor was changed, this tag usually has the R-12 charge amount on it for the repaired ref. John L. | ||
| Post# 1004916 , Reply# 11 8/26/2018 at 05:36 (2,069 days old) by Ashaw86 (Spartanburg, South Carolina) | ||
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John thank you, I thought i had read that on here in my searches. It does look like there was a tag attached to the line with a twist tie at some point. The twist tie is still there and the line has a piercing valve installed so I do think it has been replaced before.
Before i try connecting the power directly to the relay, what is your recommended procedure of how to do this? I want to make sure i do this correctly since it’s my first time. | ||
| Post# 1005127 , Reply# 13 8/27/2018 at 21:12 (2,067 days old) by Ashaw86 (Spartanburg, South Carolina) | ||
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Hey David I just realized who you are! I’ve been watching your videos on YouTube for weeks now. Just learning and seeing all you get into! You’re part of the inspiration of me digging further into the refrigerators I have. Watching you work on the refrigerators has given me a lot of knowledge I hope will help me in the hobby. I have always been mechanically inclined and vintage driven. I got the Supco 3-1 today will install tomorrow and I’ll let you know.
I also have a 1956 fridgidaire Impirial cold pantry Ive struggled with for months. After the GE is finished maybe you could give me insight on that beauty too. Thank you again!
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| Post# 1005186 , Reply# 15 8/28/2018 at 11:16 (2,067 days old) by Ashaw86 (Spartanburg, South Carolina) | ||
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Well David the Frigidaire takes hours to get to correct temperature. Then continues to run, I have not witnessed it cycle yet. I’ve replaced the thermostat and given it a charge of r12. Still getting the same results, 4 hours after turning it on it gets down to 13 on the cold plate. I left it plugged in overnight it had cycled I believe but allowed it to get too warm before cutting in. Seeing as it takes so long to get to the correct temperature I wasn’t able to stay up to listen to it.
You are correct it is the meter miser compressor. The mounts are like nothing I’ve ever seen before and they have hardened so it’s louder than it should be until I make my own new mounts. Almost too if he line for 1956 but such a confusing project. My name is Evan by the way I keep forgetting to tell you that. | ||
| Post# 1005243 , Reply# 16 8/28/2018 at 16:06 (2,067 days old) by Ashaw86 (Spartanburg, South Carolina) | ||
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Post# 1005261 , Reply# 18 8/28/2018 at 17:25 (2,066 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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| Post# 1005327 , Reply# 19 8/29/2018 at 05:23 (2,066 days old) by Ashaw86 (Spartanburg, South Carolina) | ||
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David, yes you are right it is the Supco 3-1 same as the picture you sent me. This one is for 1-4-1/3 ho compressors. Indirect tested several times and only get a hum quickly then it trips the overload. I waited for reset and tried several more times thinking I may get it to start. No such luck. I also tried tapping with a rubber mallet, it’s hard to reach but I was able to tap some. Still has not freed up.
I will test it to make sure it isn’t an open circuit in the next day or so. My dad is storing it in his garage for me so I don’t get to work on it as often as I’d be able to if it were at my house. I am also moving aoon that’s why I bought this refrigerator. I got the matching set walll oven, counter top stove, and range hood to go in the kitchen at the new house. I didn’t plan on a project but feel like I have to save it to keep the matching set. Assuming the taint open circuit the last ditch effort of bumping it with 240 I’ll have to get you to explain the best way to do that since I’ve never had to do this. I am willing to try it though to save this refrigerator. One last question, if I need to replace the compressor do you have an idea of what compressor would be best to look for? Thank you for all your help. Evan | ||
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Post# 1005334 , Reply# 20 8/29/2018 at 07:48 (2,066 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Hi Evan, it sounds like you have a locked up compressor, I have had the 240 volt trick work, but not very often. You can use a regular 1/4 + HP compressor on these refs, mounting in place of the orignal takes a bit of creativity, there used to be a mounting kit to do this in GE refs and we might still have a kit, I do have a good used GE compressor or two around that will fit more easily if you need it.
John L.
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Post# 1005358 , Reply# 21 8/29/2018 at 13:24 (2,066 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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| Post# 1005412 , Reply# 22 8/29/2018 at 18:23 (2,065 days old) by Ashaw86 (Spartanburg, South Carolina) | ||
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Post# 1005481 , Reply# 23 8/30/2018 at 09:43 (2,065 days old) by turbokinetic (Northport, Alabama USA) |
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Hi Evan. You're welcome for the advice! I hope you get it going; and it's great that John has a spare compressor in case this one was somehow damaged irreparably in the move. | ||
| Post# 1006278 , Reply# 24 9/6/2018 at 17:44 (2,057 days old) by Ashaw86 (Spartanburg, South Carolina) | ||
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