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Glass Chips in the Dishwasher
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Post# 1006117   9/5/2018 at 07:54 (2,058 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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I have always wondered about this. What causes dishes and glassware to sometimes chip during a wash cycle?





Post# 1006119 , Reply# 1   9/5/2018 at 08:00 (2,058 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

I always assumed that the cups were touching, or too close, and the pressure from the spray arm causes one of the cups to hit against the other over and over until it breaks.

Other than that the breakage would happen during loading.


Post# 1006120 , Reply# 2   9/5/2018 at 08:02 (2,058 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Yeah, I agree, I always thought that may had been a reason. Sometimes I wondered if the force of the water jets had anything to do with it.


Post# 1006122 , Reply# 3   9/5/2018 at 08:25 (2,058 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Friends of ours had a wash arm and tower Plastisol Frigidaire. One night they used some little glass things that were sort of a cross between a bowl and a plate. They were admittedly thin glass and were loaded in the center of the top rack, each resting upright between the pins and not touching. They loaded the machine, but did not run it. As they sat there talking with the guests, thee were these little pings coming from the kitchen. All of the little glass dishes were broken before they ever ran the machine, just from the stress of resting on their sides in the rack.  Whodathunkit?


Post# 1006129 , Reply# 4   9/5/2018 at 10:00 (2,058 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

I had a half-dozen of engraved, reasonably sturdy standard glasses. They were stacked in twos - as you sometimes do.

The three bottom ones splintered.


Post# 1006131 , Reply# 5   9/5/2018 at 10:52 (2,058 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I'm sorry, but I don't understand your terminology. Were they in double decker racks like some DWs have where a fold up section can be dropped down over shorter objects like cups and other things like juice glasses (or old fashions) can be racked over the objects underneath?


Post# 1006135 , Reply# 6   9/5/2018 at 11:31 (2,058 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I recently broke a glass casserole lid while unloading the DW.  Caught the knob of it on another lid.  :-(

Odd incident some years ago at Granny's.  Sitting at the kitchen table, heard a loud POP.  WTH???  Something fall?  Hit the house?  Took a while for investigation to find a glass coffee mug in the cabinet had spontaneously exploded.


Post# 1006146 , Reply# 7   9/5/2018 at 14:24 (2,058 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona )        
WTH???

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"a glass coffee mug in the cabinet had spontaneously exploded." 

Whaaaat...
:o0


Post# 1006147 , Reply# 8   9/5/2018 at 14:28 (2,058 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Didn't Corelle dinnerware have a bad reputation for that? I swear I had a friend who had a couple of Corelle plates explode in the cupboard after putting them away after a bath in the dishwasher.

Post# 1006183 , Reply# 9   9/5/2018 at 20:05 (2,058 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Glass is frequently

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Already damaged and just waiting for any excuse to fracture.
The temperature differential or loud noises (pressure variations) in the dishwasher can be enough to cause the glass to shatter.
I've never seen Pyrex break in the dishwasher but lots of cheap Libby glasses have, over time.


Post# 1006187 , Reply# 10   9/5/2018 at 21:05 (2,058 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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I hate it when I find a small chip in the bottom of the dishwasher but don't know where it came from or how long the chip had been there.

 

Then I have to keep checking the glasses to try to figure out where it came from.


Post# 1006188 , Reply# 11   9/5/2018 at 21:13 (2,058 days old) by arris (Rochester New York)        
Breaking

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Could it be the the stress of heating & cooling over time cause the breakage ???? I noticed using the sani cycle more of my glasses became brittle over time and would break... Just a thought ........

Post# 1006211 , Reply# 12   9/6/2018 at 05:03 (2,057 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
Corelle

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Paul I remember that too!  My mother's first set...she was unloading the DW one day and a coffee mug broke when she picked it up from the top rack.


Post# 1006212 , Reply# 13   9/6/2018 at 05:20 (2,057 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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The set of glass mugs Granny had were not Corelle ... very similar to this, if not identical.  She didn't have a dishwasher.


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Post# 1006224 , Reply# 14   9/6/2018 at 08:20 (2,057 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

It's because of the "unnatural attractions" of the homosexuals and judgements handed down from on high on our tableware; just listen to the talibangelical preachers. I wonder if they can "heal" dishes and glasses if you put them on top of the TV. Of course, with thin screens, that gets harder to do. I wonder if they yell "HEAL" too loudly if they might cause further damage.


Post# 1006235 , Reply# 15   9/6/2018 at 09:53 (2,057 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
@Tomturbomatic:

They (the glasses) were stacked in a cupboard, one inside another, simply to make more room. The three bottoms splintered.

Post# 1006256 , Reply# 16   9/6/2018 at 12:35 (2,057 days old) by hippiedoll ( arizona )        
OH OH...

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I have CORELLE dishes!
So I will be extra careful. Although 3 of the coffee mugs are the thick Pyrex glass and 1 is the thinner CORELLE glass.
:o/


Post# 1006290 , Reply# 17   9/6/2018 at 18:54 (2,057 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
My GE Mobilemaid Has Wrecked

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More than a handful of dishes, chinaware, and glassware. What isn't etched is scratched, cracked and or chipped. Just got a new set of Ikea ware, if it messes up those items the thing is going to the curb, am that fed up!

Going by conversations from my mother's and grandmother's generation of housekeepers the often strong force of water in older dishwashers simply moves things about no matter how well secured.

Know can hear dishes in the MM being moved about, the machine itself actually "dances" while running due to force of water inside.

Of course these vintage units use far more water than today's, *and* since many only had the one wash arm used quite a bit of force to move water. This one assumes was a design intent to ensure water reached top racks.

Actually have some Corelle (coffee mugs) that the GE MM has reduced to marked/streaked wrecks. All were new going in, but now have gray markings on outside. Am told this is from rubbing against tines, and "yes", all were properly placed when loading.




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Post# 1006305 , Reply# 18   9/6/2018 at 20:08 (2,057 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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All my dishware is vintage Corelle (Crazy Daisy). So far, nothing has been damaged by the KDS-58. Now I am getting paranoid. Perhaps I should get a new Corelle set, and leave the vintage set for hand wash only.


Post# 1006308 , Reply# 19   9/6/2018 at 20:25 (2,057 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Think farily modern dishwashers

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Are safer bets for things, especially when properly loaded. They don't use nearly as much water nor seem to have same powerful pumps. But then again many do have two or more wash levels/arms, so they don't have to blow water at pressure wash force to reach all areas.

Cannot say for sure, but *think* reason so many vintage dishwashers ended up little used is they did cause harm to dishes/glassware. Housewives simply got fed up and washed things by hand instead of seeing all their china/glassware reduced to chipped/etched hot messes.


Post# 1006317 , Reply# 20   9/6/2018 at 21:20 (2,057 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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I think that is true.  We didn't have a dishwasher but my favorite Aunt did.

 

I can remember her saying "good dishes don't go in the dishwasher" as if was a simple fact.  Everyday stuff yes, but anything else, no.


Post# 1006325 , Reply# 21   9/6/2018 at 22:41 (2,057 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I can remember her saying "good dishes don't go in the dishwasher" as if was a simple fact. Everyday stuff yes, but anything else, no.
That's an interesting perspective ... being as Josephine Cochran (I think that was her name) invented the household dishwasher due to the problem of kitchen staff breaking her china and crystal when handwashing.


Post# 1006335 , Reply# 22   9/7/2018 at 01:28 (2,056 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
True, true.

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But dishwashers by the 1950's were vastly different than those based upon Madame Cochran's original designs.

My GE MM can scour paint off walls I shouldn't wonder. Run the thing empty or not very full and it actually moves about.

Don't think Mrs. Cochran would be putting her fine china and crystal into a dishwasher of 1950's or so vintage. Maybe today's models with far less forceful water jets.

Only difference in the China/Crystal setting for my MM is the unit skips one pre-wash and shortens drying cycle. Otherwise it's all systems go! *LOL*

Do recall reading housekeeping magazines and homemaker guides from the 1970's and 1980's which strongly advised disregarding whatever "china and crystal" settings were on a dishwasher, and *NOT* to subject one's fine things to automatic dishwashing.


Post# 1006411 , Reply# 23   9/7/2018 at 20:08 (2,056 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

GE dishwashers that did not have a filter had large openings in the wash arm to allow food particles to pass through similar to old Thermadors. It was a rough trip. A friend with a 70s GE used to put clean plates in the lower rack if it were not filled to protect the glasses and stuff in the top rack.


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