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Post# 1007658   9/17/2018 at 23:20 (2,040 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        

This Elxux-idaire is my first dishwasher with a "stainess" steel tank.


I am one of the very few in this building to use his/her dishwasher, and fewer still, to use one more than once a week.


Depending on kitchen activity, I run the dishwasher 3-7 times a week.


The sump area, especially around the door and filter, is beginning to look rather milky.


Is white (spirit) vinegar enough?


Lawrence/Maytagbear





Post# 1007659 , Reply# 1   9/17/2018 at 23:24 (2,040 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
White vinegar

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Has always worked for moi!

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Post# 1007663 , Reply# 2   9/18/2018 at 00:13 (2,040 days old) by Spacedogb (Lafayette, LA)        
Citric Acid

I like to use citric acid. You can either get food grade citric acid off amazon or lemishine from Walmart. I aslo have used white vinegar before. All give good results

Post# 1007664 , Reply# 3   9/18/2018 at 00:22 (2,040 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Thanks to my husband I discovered Lemishine.

That product is WOOOOOOOONDERFUL!

And you don't need too much. I put 1 pod (Cascade) in the main wash dispenser and just fill the small gap between the pod and the dispenser wall.

My dishwasher is a few months old, bought brand new and it was starting to have that horrible limescale ring on the bottom.

Now the bottom is just like new and the difference on the dishes is also impressive.


Post# 1007668 , Reply# 4   9/18/2018 at 02:13 (2,040 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I prefer citric acid too. I had great experiences in the past.

See reply 14 and 15.

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Post# 1007673 , Reply# 5   9/18/2018 at 05:17 (2,040 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I use Finish Booster and put a little bit of it in the detergent dispenser along with the pod.  I use LemiShine dishwasher cleaner once a month too. 


Post# 1007678 , Reply# 6   9/18/2018 at 09:18 (2,040 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

Personally, I've never understood why US dishwashers don't have an integral water softener. Surely manufacturers have been in the market long enough to realise the benefits of the device?

But then, maybe that's the whole idea - to allow the machine to breakdown quicker, so it gets repaired or replaced sooner.


Post# 1007679 , Reply# 7   9/18/2018 at 09:36 (2,040 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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KitchenAid marketed a model with built in softener 4 or so years ago but only about a year or so.

Post# 1007742 , Reply# 8   9/18/2018 at 21:57 (2,040 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Water mineral buildup

Vinegar works well. Lemishine does too! In order to prevent the issue from getting worse I recommend using STPP in the dispenser with your regular detergent. About 1 tsp is fine. The Bosch is around 7 months old and has zero mineral build up as a result.

Post# 1007770 , Reply# 9   9/19/2018 at 04:09 (2,039 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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It looks like the acid in Lemishine would react with the alkaline detergent and deactivate each other. 


Post# 1007772 , Reply# 10   9/19/2018 at 05:03 (2,039 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Lemishine would react with the alkaline detergent and deacti

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That's why I do my approach.  Lemi-Shine dishwasher cleaner once a month and use Finish Booster with my detergent.  I prefer using the specific dishwasher cleaner separate as it does a better job. 


Post# 1008050 , Reply# 11   9/21/2018 at 02:29 (2,037 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Lemi-Shine

Please be aware that are several different products.

The Lemi-Shine BOOSTER does NOT interact with the detergent negatively. (it's not even supposed to be used together with the detergent according to the directions.)

I use together (pod and lemi-shine in the main wash dispenser) and the results are always FANTASTIC!
My water is absurdly hard. I ran out of lemi shine and ran the dishwasher for about 5 cycles without it. the bottom turned white.

I started using it again, in two washes it was clean again.


Post# 1008075 , Reply# 12   9/21/2018 at 14:24 (2,037 days old) by deltablu (Eastern South Dakota)        
Regarding integrated water softeners

I don't know about other areas of the country, but in this region, the water is pretty hard no matter where you get the water from. Municipal supplies tend to have 20 to 30 grains hardness and rural is much worse. My parents' well is 75 grains hardness. Anyway, the point I was getting at was that almost every house has whole house water softening, making the integrated softeners redundant. Back when we used to sell Fisher and Paykel products, we could get their dishdrawers with integrated softeners but never had any demand for them.

Post# 1008144 , Reply# 13   9/22/2018 at 06:47 (2,036 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
This is what I've always done

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About once per month, I used 2 packets of the Kroger brand sugar-free Lemonade powder. I hate lemonade (I don't buy it to drink) It's cheaper than Lemishine but it's loaded with citric acid. I pour 2 packets in the main detergent cup and run the empty machine on the longest cycle. The dishwasher is spotless when done.

Post# 1008158 , Reply# 14   9/22/2018 at 09:02 (2,036 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Active ingredient .....

If the active ingredient in Lemi Shine appliance cleaner is citric acid, how about this stuff? We use it when we can tomatoes and is like $1.99 for like 8 ozs for the store brand. I'm guessing the citric acid component in Lemi Shine appliance cleaner is probably small compared to all the other ingredients in it.

We have semi-soft water here but we do get a white film in our dishwasher over a period of time and looking at it today, it's time to clean it again. I normally use the Lemi Shine when needed, but never paid attention to its ingredients before this conversation. If the active ingredient is citric acid, I'm going to try a teaspoon of the canning variety as below and check back here if it works. We just canned 12 pints of tomatoes and I know we have plenty of this stuff on hand at the moment. Seems like the wife even bought the Ball brand variety this time, which must have been on-sale, for us to not buy the store brand.



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Post# 1008167 , Reply# 15   9/22/2018 at 10:56 (2,036 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Checking back ....

Ok, so I went ahead and ran a cycle to clean the dishwasher with citric acid and here are the results. You can see the amount of this stuff I added to the despenser and ran it on normal wash and then let it dry. I love when a plan works out.

So maybe one thin dime to clean the dishwasher this time?! As you can see the white film is totally gone. Besides, I was out of Lemi Shine at the moment and .... I see what I'll be using from now on!

BEFORE



AFTER



And as usual, "Your mileage may vary" so I imagine depending on your hard water issue, you may have to use more or run it twice to get the same results. As you can see, we don't have a ton of dissolved solids in our water.


Cheers!
Bud - Atlanta

lol, can you image Paris Hilton doing laundry ....






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Post# 1008173 , Reply# 16   9/22/2018 at 11:29 (2,036 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I haven't done DW deliming in years since switching to one of those phosphated detergents that can still be had.


Post# 1008174 , Reply# 17   9/22/2018 at 11:35 (2,036 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Brand ??

And what brand might that be, DADoES??

Post# 1008181 , Reply# 18   9/22/2018 at 13:55 (2,036 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Cascade Institutional powder which was renamed as Cascade Fryer Boil Out (same formula).

There's also Bubble Bandit which I haven't tried but has good word.

May be others.


Post# 1009202 , Reply# 19   9/30/2018 at 18:50 (2,028 days old) by joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)        
We have hard water in SoCal . . .

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So even with phosphate Bubble Bandit, we still need a vinegar de-scaling every 4 weeks.  It's not too severe, just milkiness around the detergent door and on the heating coil.  My method:

 

Buy your white vinegar (5% acidity) by the gallon.  Measure a quart of vinegar into a large-enough measuring cup.  Park it by the dishwasher.

 

Close the dispenser door and select the longest hottest cycle.  On ours, that's Pots Pans with the Hi-Temp, Sani-Rinse and Heated Dry options.  Close the door and hit the Start button.

 

Listen for the water from the prewash to drain.  Resting your hand on the handle helps to feel the vibration of the drain pump.  As soon as the vibration stops, open the door, dump in the quart of vinegar and put the measuring cup in the dishwasher.  Close the door and let the cycle complete.

 

You'll see the difference and feel how smoothly the racks roll.



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