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Thread Number: 76982
/ Tag: Modern Dishwashers
Semi- commercial Dishwasher? |
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Post# 1008926 , Reply# 1 9/28/2018 at 22:54 (2,028 days old) by henene4  (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Don't know the US options, but Miele has a line of professionell machines designed for such situations. Look Like the last-gen TOL model with spiced up pump and heating. Shortest cycle time would be about 20min on 240V, but have 120V versions too (shortest cycle 60min). But Miele is a touchy subject in the US due to sparse service Rollout. CLICK HERE TO GO TO henene4's LINK | ||
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Post# 1008939 , Reply# 2 9/29/2018 at 05:35 (2,028 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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www.google.com/searchQUES...
www.houzz.com/discussions/316248... Those two pretty much sums things up. Once you go with "semi" anything it usually means some sort of compromise. One would suggest a through examination of what this church wants and needs from a dishwasher. Do they plan on doing banquets, dinners, soup kitchens, etc..? Anything which involves large amounts of dinnerware needing to be processed relatively quickly? What is the power supply? More importantly what do local health codes (if any) speak to whatever plans (again banquet, dinners, etc... for the public) say. | ||
| Post# 1008998 , Reply# 3 9/29/2018 at 15:45 (2,027 days old) by fan-of-fans (Florida) | ||
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Can't really contribute to any suggestions, but do you by any chance know what other equipment they're going to be using? | ||
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Post# 1009067 , Reply# 6 9/30/2018 at 02:25 (2,027 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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Post# 1009121 , Reply# 7 9/30/2018 at 08:26 (2,027 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA) |
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Not sure you can pass sanitation inspection without a commercial (either heat or chemical) dishwasher. I just last night was downstairs at my church and noticed that after a flood they ripped out the old kitchen which included a Colt Auto-San dishwasher and replaced it with an under-counter Jackson commercial machine. Played around a bit with it.
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Post# 1009129 , Reply# 8 9/30/2018 at 09:15 (2,027 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Colt Auto San Dishwasher: www.automaticwasher.org/c...
Back on topic.... So long as this church is sticking with planning to use that kitchen for "domestic" purposes only, I'd just go with whatever quality/TOL domestic dishwasher they can afford and be done with things. If not going to prepare large meals that will be served to pubic, and or catering, don't see the point of "quasi" commercial dishwasher. Miele has such a thing, but it is rather dear for what one is getting. pdf.archiexpo.com/pdf/miele/g-805... | ||
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Post# 1009200 , Reply# 11 9/30/2018 at 18:22 (2,026 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Another thing
If these church people don't want the bother of pre-rinsing/washing dishes, then just go with a good domestic dishwasher.
You probably can find a "quasi" commercial DW that will suit their purposes, but what basically are you getting and at what cost. What is the point of purchasing a "bullet proof" dishwasher meant to last the duration, and or otherwise give "semi professional" performance when the thing will be used maybe a handful of times per week? | ||
| Post# 1009331 , Reply# 13 10/2/2018 at 01:13 (2,025 days old) by superocd (PNW) | ||
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Post# 1009334 , Reply# 14 10/2/2018 at 02:58 (2,025 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 1009340 , Reply# 15 10/2/2018 at 04:46 (2,025 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Yes, sadly many Colt Auto San units were cut up for scrap:
www.electrical-contractor... www.electriciantalk.com/f24/old-... | ||
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Post# 1009441 , Reply# 17 10/3/2018 at 00:38 (2,024 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Early industrial washing machines
Used wood for the inner (and IIRC some cases) outer cylinders of H-axis washers.
Chemicals used then included soap, washing soda, TSP, STPP, oxalic acid, a long with some other pretty nasty/harsh stuff. Yet the tubs held up remarkably well. IIRC one problem with using wood for wash tubs and so forth was it had to be kept moist or would warp and crack. That being said don't imagine wood was the most sanitary thing, hence move to metal or porcelain on steel. | ||
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Post# 1009555 , Reply# 19 10/3/2018 at 22:13 (2,023 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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One could purchase washing machines both domestic and commercial with drums/cylinders made from wood well into the 1920's. When have time will post some links. The "Thor" cylinder washer came in both wood and metal drums, but by late 1920's early 1930s IIRC only metal was offered.
Wood has many benefits over some metals. Remember stainless steel wasn't invented until 1913, and until rather recently historically was very expensive. Porcelain enamel on steel also is costly and that process wasn't perfected until (IIRC) post WWII. That leaves the two most common metals for wash tubs; galvanized steel, or copper. Both have draw backs that range from rust (even galvanized metals will sooner or later), to reaction with various chemicals, soaps and whatever used for laundry. The first commercial "washer-extractor" was invented in 1954. Prior to that *all* commercial/industrial laundries washed, rinsed, and maybe starched in one machine (washer), then transferred the wash to extractor. Here again is a clip from 1940's showing how the "Easton Laundry" did things. This was common for all laundries world over again until washer/extractors came on the scene. In fact many laundries stuck with this system long after and some still do for reasons of their own. Wash only versus wash/extractor. There was then and still is a huge debate among professional laundrymen (or women) about extracting between wash and first rinse, then each subsequent rinse until final spin. OTOH there are those who feel spinning laundry pulls "dirty water" through clean laundry as it passes via extraction. Those on other side of fence point to decreased water usage that interim extract cycles offer, and that washing is cleaner due to lack of carry over between cycles. Interestingly the huge tunnel/batch washers that are coming to dominate commercial/industrial laundries do *NOT* extract between wash or any of rinse cycles. Water is only extracted at end of cycle before goods are transferred to dryers or ironers. Many early European front loaders well into the 1990's did not spin after main wash, nor in fact until maybe after two or three rinses (out of total of five or maybe even six). My Miele W1070 only does a short spin after three rinses, with a full spin before final rinse. As you can imagine at about 10 gallons per fill that uses quite a lot of water. European consumer testing magazines often found rinsing ability of these machines wanting. | ||
| Post# 1009681 , Reply# 20 10/4/2018 at 23:01 (2,022 days old) by superocd (PNW) | ||
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You are so knowledgeable Laundress... You remind me of my junior high Home Ec teacher, Mrs. Pickett. She taught us all sorts of cool things that I still remember today. I think it might be your profile picture too. It kind of looks like her. | ||
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Post# 1009686 , Reply# 21 10/5/2018 at 00:56 (2,022 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Wood H-Axis washing machines | ||
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