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Anybody out there grossed out with cast iron cookware?
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Post# 1010225   10/9/2018 at 19:30 (2,024 days old) by superocd (PNW)        

Apologies in advance to fans of cast iron cookware - it is my understanding that there are fervent believers out there. No offense and I will not take offense if you call me a crazy germaphobe, lol.

I went to a fundraiser raffle/dinner with my wife last night at the hospital where she works as a CCU RN and noticed that one of the prizes was a cast iron cookware set. IIRC in this set there was a Dutch oven, three sizes of frying pans, a griddle and two sizes of pots.

If any of you are not aware, I have OCD. I have a hard time getting over the fact that water and a damp rag is all it takes and is all you should use to wash cast iron cookware. I get that the heat from cooking kills germs but a porous surface which cannot be cleaned by a soap or detergent bothers me. I couldn't, in good conscience, fry a steak and merely wipe the pan with a dishcloth under hot running water and then put it away in the cupboard
in its oily state. Needless to say, I don't own any cast iron cookware.

My wife is the same way. When they were showcasing the prizes, she was the one to remark her distrust of cookware not cleanable by conventional measures. One of my wife's coworkers was sitting at our table and said she swore by cast iron.

Does anybody get grossed out by cast iron cookware?





Post# 1010226 , Reply# 1   10/9/2018 at 19:36 (2,024 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
You *CAN* wash cast iron cookware to your heart content.

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Just needs to be seasoned again afterwards or it will rust and or loose non-stick properties.

That being said properly and well seasoned cast iron cookware easily survives a good washing in hot soapy water. Do so with mine all the time and they are none worse for the process.

Once cast iron cookware is well and properly seasoned not much should be sticking to it anyway. Well not unless you've burnt something very badly.


Post# 1010230 , Reply# 2   10/9/2018 at 20:28 (2,024 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
My Grandmother

Washed hers every time She used it, She had 2 Griswold skillets that I now have and use, I wash them and dry them and wipe a film of oil on them, BUT I have a 8 inch cast iron skillet that is ONLY used for corn bread and it NEVER has water touch it, I only wipe it out and put it away.

Post# 1010232 , Reply# 3   10/9/2018 at 20:38 (2,024 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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I too wash my cast iron skillet all the time, its at least 50 years old and very well seasoned. After I dry it, I put a drop of salad oil into it and wipe it all over the inside with a paper towel, tryin to remove as much as possible, just leaving a slight film. This pan is one of my favorites.

Eddie


Post# 1010234 , Reply# 4   10/9/2018 at 20:50 (2,024 days old) by superocd (PNW)        

I was not aware that cast iron was washable. I've heard all along that it wasn't, especially from my grandma.

I remember when I was about eight or nine years old and I helping my grandma with kitchen cleanup and I loaded my grandma's big cast iron pan into her dishwasher. My grandma never got mad at me (even after I accidentally broke some of her fine china or the time I dismantled her hair dryer) until she discovered what I did. She valued that pan!

Fortunately she did not start the DW. She took it out of the DW and told me to rinse it at the sink. I went for the sponge and dish soap. That was TWICE in my whole life my grandma got mad at me (and it was the same day for the same reason -- washing her cast iron pan, lol). I got quite the education from her on the care and upkeep on cast iron pans, so even to this day it has been ingrained in my head that a cast iron pan was not to see anything but water.

The fact that you can reseason a washed pan makes it a little better-- "washed" meaning some Dawn on a dishcloth and not in the dishwasher, I'm assuming.


Post# 1010235 , Reply# 5   10/9/2018 at 20:53 (2,024 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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I have 3 cast iron skillets. I only scrub them with hot water and a chore girl when something sticks and NO soap ever, lightly oil when needed. My old Griswolds are just fine and they are older than me.

Post# 1010236 , Reply# 6   10/9/2018 at 20:53 (2,024 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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NEVER the dishwasher!!! But in a sink of hot water with some dishwashing detergent is OK. Just rinse and dry it thoroughly, and coat it lightly with oil before putting it away.
Eddie


Post# 1010242 , Reply# 7   10/9/2018 at 21:30 (2,024 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Cast iron

I am a bit of a germaphobe and OCD diagnosed. The fact that the cast iron does not go into the dishwasher does not bother me because I always heat it up to allow it to dry quickly before rusting. I never use soap. For tough cases I will use olive oil and sea salt to scrub.

Post# 1010248 , Reply# 8   10/9/2018 at 22:03 (2,024 days old) by Michaelman2 (Lauderdale by the Sea, FL)        

Lakewebsterkid, I agree. The only time I have ever used a de-greaser or detergent such as Dawn on my cast iron is when I completely removed the seasoning and then re-seasoned the item.

I place the piece in a self cleaning oven and let the high heat remove all of the seasoning. Wash the piece to remove the remainder of the dust.

Then I use Crisco to season the item. I have pieces that have never stripped. The seasoning and they are as non-stick as any Teflon pan.

I understand the feeling of wanting to "wash" the cast iron item in detergent however, the pan if properly sealed (seasoned) will not be harboring bacteria in the pores.

I am a bit more afraid of Teflon and the other non-stick surfaces than, I am about germs from cast iron.



Post# 1010257 , Reply# 9   10/9/2018 at 23:59 (2,024 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

If cast iron is properly seasoned, you can use hot water and Dawn to your heart's content, and scouring pads if needed. The seasoning isn't coming off with soap and water. Just make sure to wipe it (inside and out) with a bit of oil after, then I heat it until it starts to smoke, turn it off and let it cool. Wipe excess oil off if needed and store. Nope, don't ever put it in the dishwasher, but there's no reason not to clean it. I don't use soap every time, but if it needs soap I do. If something sticks I'll even soak it (inside only though, not in the sink) and it never rusts.

Post# 1010258 , Reply# 10   10/10/2018 at 00:24 (2,024 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Have my mothers cast iron skillets, and I'm almost 60! years old, only wipe them out with a paper towel and hot water. My 9" skillet is solely used ONLY for cornbread. All my cast iron is well seasoned. Cast iron heats evenly for fabulous tasting dishes, I don't believe its possible to make decent tasting cornbread otherwise. Love to make a skillet of bread, cut a slice out and crumble it into a large glass of cold milk....cornbread and milk....a delight in life. Love to have that before bed at night.

Barry


Post# 1010264 , Reply# 11   10/10/2018 at 01:20 (2,024 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        
Cast iron is safer than Teflon for you

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I have literally 11 Griswolds from pre 1940 on my stove right now I cook in from #4-#10 with some duplicates. I wash mine regularly with soap and put on the flame for a minute to dry but mostly just rinse under water when done and dry. Totally safe and germ free once dried over the stove. Nothing really sticks to them and if it does it washes right off. Same with my carbon steel wok. What I wont cook with is anything aluminum or Teflon coated because of the risks.

Post# 1010268 , Reply# 12   10/10/2018 at 01:49 (2,024 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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I've never had much luck with cast iron.  I dumped the one skillet I had when I recently moved.   I used it once or twice.

 

I did own a heavy wok once that came with a sort of whisk broom thing made of bamboo sticks for cleaning purposes.  It was supposed to be used with plain salt and that was all.  IIRC something similar was the recommended method for cleaning my clay cooker.  I no longer own either item.

 

Instead, a few years ago I purchased a set of Henkel non-stick dishwasher-safe skillets.  I like any type of cookware I can put in the dishwasher and be done with it (Corningware is another one), and the Henkel still looks like new.


Post# 1010270 , Reply# 13   10/10/2018 at 03:16 (2,024 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I like my cast iron for certain things.  Tony has his dad's large cornbread skillet and that's ALL that is ever cooked in it, usually for Thanksgiving or Christmas dressing.  I have all of my grandmother's cast iron that I stripped and reseasoned simply because it was so caked on the outside.  I put it on the gas grill for a little while and it all came right off.  Works as good as it did all those years ago when they were first seasoned.  It works great on my induction cooktop or the gas range top.


Post# 1010278 , Reply# 14   10/10/2018 at 06:23 (2,024 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

No my Mom and Grandmother used it for cooking things-still around today!!Thinking of getting a few "Lodge" pans from the sport places here.--Yes the sport places have them-other places don't.Also call those places the "outdoor hobbies" places-you know that sell hunting,fishing,golf,camping equipment.

Post# 1010281 , Reply# 15   10/10/2018 at 07:06 (2,024 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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No Thanks, the idea of cooking food on something that is covered with rancid oil has little appeal and the real deal-breaker is not being able to put the cast iron in the DW.

 

John L.


Post# 1010296 , Reply# 16   10/10/2018 at 11:14 (2,023 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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I do have 1 (or maybe 2?) cast iron skillets I got from my grandmothers estate 10 years ago, but I have never used it.  I'm not a germophobe, nor do I have OCD, I just haven't taken the time to clean & re-seasoned it.

 

I have a variety of cast iron cookware that I used about 75% of the time when I cook, they include a deep skillet, a few dutch ovens, a braiser, even a cast iron wok, but these are all enamel coated (Le Creuset), no seasoning required.  I have also discovered a number other of less expensive (cast iron dutch oven) options on Amazon.  FYI I got the photo below off the web, though I do have one in that color.  smile   

 

Aside from at shopping camping / outdoors / sporting goods stores for regular cast iron, it can also be found online, like Amazon.   

 

In addition to Lodge and Camp Chef, I was surprised to see Calphalon and T-fal also offer regular (pre-seasoned) cast iron skillets.

 

http://www.lodgemfg.com/

https://www.campchef.com/cast-iron.html

https://www.calphalon.com/en-US/calphalon-pre-seasoned-cast-iron-12-in-skillet-ca-1873975--1

https://www.t-falusa.com/c/Cast-iron/p/r-p-cast-iron

 

Kevin


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Post# 1010304 , Reply# 17   10/10/2018 at 14:36 (2,023 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
le cruset

is wonderful but who can afford it, its ridiculously expensive,

Post# 1010312 , Reply# 18   10/10/2018 at 16:39 (2,023 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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Hans, yes it is VERY expensive.  The only time I have bought is when it's on the clearance rack at one of their "factory outlet" stores.  I've been lucky, if the store was having a monthly promotion, I was able to combine that with the clearance price and get between 40% & 65% off.

 

 


Post# 1010324 , Reply# 19   10/10/2018 at 20:04 (2,023 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

I have a lot of cast-iron I use all the time. As Hans mentioned the corn bread skillets and giant fried chicken skillet just get wiped out and stored. Nothing will stick to them, anyway.

If something (rarely) needs a bit of scrub, hot water and a "Tuffy" scrubbie will do the trick.

I can't imagine taking detergent and hot water to good, ages old, cast iron cookware.
I haven't poisoned anyone yet.


Post# 1010349 , Reply# 20   10/10/2018 at 21:32 (2,023 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
its a rare treat!

To get to set at Steves table, absolutely one of the best cooks I know!

Post# 1010353 , Reply# 21   10/10/2018 at 22:07 (2,023 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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my grandmother who lived until 81, and my mother who made it to 90 cooked religiously on cast iron cookware....must have been from all that extra 'iron' in their diet seeping into the food from the cookware!

I think knowing how to cook, and take care of it has more of a factor....

the only way THAT cookware is going to hurt you, is if someone takes that 14 inch fry pan and slams it up side your head!

that would have been my mothers way of slapping some sense into someone....


Post# 1010357 , Reply# 22   10/10/2018 at 22:56 (2,023 days old) by Michaelman2 (Lauderdale by the Sea, FL)        

Gyrafoam/Steve, I completely agree.

I doubt anyone would use "rancid" oil to season a cast iron item. They heat evenly and they last forever. I would much rather my utensil be coated in oil than Teflon or another non-stick.

I use cast iron pieces dating back to the early 1900s. I also use the le Creuset cookware as well.

When cared for properly, the cast iron is as clean, if not more clean, than any stainless or other type of cookware.


Post# 1010362 , Reply# 23   10/11/2018 at 00:54 (2,023 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        

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If you're a germophobe or OCD why arent you worried about this poison you put in your food? I'll take cast iron with a hard surface of carbon over toxic chemicals any day.

www.foodmatters.com/artic...


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Post# 1010365 , Reply# 24   10/11/2018 at 02:57 (2,023 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

This last article is pretty much the kind of thing people should be ashamed of.

First, off, and this makes me laugh, when did non-stick, which used to be pretty high-tech not too long ago, became "conventional" anything?

Second, one of the major characteristics of fluoropolymers is that they are extremely stable. That can be good and bad at the same time. Compounds that manage to not degrade and then reach the upper layer of our atmosphere, like Freon, can then degrade up there due to intense ultraviolet radiation and lightning, for example. But making fluoropolymers degrade is not easy at all.

To the point that Teflon (PTFE) and similar compounds are used in all kinds of tough situations. They are used in nuclear plants, for example, to coat ducts that deal with very corrosive chemicals under high pressure and high heat. There aren't too many materials that can be used to implant in the human body either, and the few that can, like surgical stainless steel, titanium, some ceramics, some silicones and teflon are unique in that they do not degrade or change in contact with our fluids or body.

People are all bent out of shape about personal responsibility and being grown up and all kinds of shit, and then they fail to read the directions that come with their stuff and do pretty weird shit that they should not do at all.

Like casually taking what they think is "heatproof" glass baking dish from the hot oven and putting it on the first place they find, just to find out that the place was moist or wet and see the dish explode. They tell you not to do that in the directions. People do it once or twice, the situation is slightly different, or the glass weakens from that, then the next time they do it, poof, ex-dish.

Same thing with teflon. They warn people (for over 3 decades now) to throughly wash, rinse and dry the dish, then coat it with a thin film of oil and heat it for a couple of minutes before first use. Then they warn people not to leave the dish empty or dry preheating. The first direction is to finish curing the non-stick. The second one is to avoid overheating the coating. The coating can withstand about 450F for hours, and about 500F for a few minutes. It starts degrading *only* if it's exposed to harsher circumstances than that, and, given that food will burn to an unpalatable crispy piece of charcoal above that, *no one* should be cooking at temperatures that degrade teflon, ever.

But people are dumb. They listen to folks who are used to a restaurant workflow, which is completely different from what you and I do at home. A thin piece of aluminum or stainless steel coated with teflon will take *no time* preheating, it will reach proper cooking temperature in less than a minute or two. I see "celebrity chefs" on TV turning the heat to high and waiting a long time until the pot/pan is "ripping hot" and then they put the oil in. There is no need for that. Put the oil in, turn on the pan, as soon as it starts shimmering, before it starts smoking, you're all set to cook.

My teflon pots and pans have lasted for 20 years with no trouble. The *only* thing that makes them fall apart is when some person inadvertently "preheats" them like the TV chefs do.

I have more news for y'all: the "simple" solutions they offer will not help you, me or anyone. "Ceramic" non-stick is not that far from teflon, and, just like no one ever had trouble with teflon (and it was proved safe by the FDA and lots of other places around the globe) until people started overheating the stuff at home, you will all find out in 10-20 years that the "ceramic" coating suffers from exactly the same problem. And it doesn't have to take that long, you know how many people buy ceramic non-stick, put it in the dishwasher and years later it still works just like new, and nothing sticks, and the next person over says "weird, no matter how much I 'baby' it and hand wash etc, 2 months later it's sticking to everything"? Yeah, they are overheating their stuff, that's what slightly melts the coating and makes it fail too.

The article mentions "heatproof glass", without mentioning that they have not sold real borosilicate Pyrex for a long time. Finding Visions or Pyroceram (CorningWare) has been very difficult too. Tempered soda-lime glass is hard to break if it falls, but cannot withstand temperature changes as well as the old Pyrex, so their suggestion is crap, and they know it. The intention of this article is to make people buy "ceramic" non-stick instead by making people afraid.

That brings us to cast iron. First off, it can be washed with hot water and dishwashing detergent just fine, thank you. What you can't do easily without paying the price is soak it for any length of time. Leave it to be washed last thing, take a soft sponge with some detergent, wipe the pot, rinse it immediately, dry it with a cloth or paper towel and maybe put it on the stovetop to warm up for half a minute or so to make sure it's dry. My mom did that her entire life with her cast iron and her carbon-steel frying pans, they worked fine.

Second, the coating on cast iron pans ("seasoning") is polymerized oil. You might want to firmly believe that, because it was edible oil and because we've been using it for centuries, that it's perfectly safe. It's not. It's barely safe enough. You may or may not want to google "nitrosamine" and you don't even have to google "nitrosamine cancer" to be offered a bunch of things about how nitrosamine in food can cause cancer. Nitrosamine is created when certain foods are overheated. Like oil, for example. Because the vegetable oil is never there alone, it's often combined with stuff that has nitrogen, nitrates and nitrites in them.

The polymerized oil has another problem -- it *is* non-stick, but, because it is *not* as stable as Teflon, it degrades at a slightly lower temp and produces similar toxic compounds. You start preheating that cast iron pan, and, because it doesn't transfer heat as readily as copper, aluminum or stainless, the very center where the flame is is overheating while the outer edges are still comparatively cool. You may notice that a high percentage of the times a cast-iron pan loses its seasoning, it's on the very center. Where it's too hot for the polymer to resist. Places that had birds dying "because of the teflon" when they were near the kitchen find out that their birds *keep* getting sick or dying when they switch to cast iron, because what they did not stop doing is overheating their pots and pans.

I'd like to say that, while seeing people cook in cast-iron doesn't gross me out, per se, given that I've been seeing people do that for ages and I also do not have any choice in the matter, if that grosses you out, you can't eat out anywhere, because invariably *something* *will* be cooked in or on cast iron (griddles, for example) in a restaurant setting, I've never just rinsed or wiped them out without washing. Currently I don't have any, but when I did or when I use them, I wash them. I also *never* ever ever use metallic implements like steel-wool, chore girl or abrasives (even salt) not even the blue 3M sponge that is "safe for non-stick". The non-stick film on cast iron is very very easy to scratch off. People usually don't notice because they heat the pan with oil the very next time they use it, so in a sense it "heals" a bit. But those are frequently the folks who need to re-season the pans every few years, or, like a friend of mine, who only used coarse salt, every two weeks. My mother used her seasoned frying pans for over 40 years, washed them everyday, and never needed to re-season them.

That having been said, I'd like to ask anyone here: if it were an aluminum pan or a stainless-steel skillet that had exactly the *same* "seasoned" coating on them, would you barf or would you eat the food? There is *nothing* magical about cast-iron. The very same phenomenon happens to other metals, and I am willing to bet a dollar that many here would snicker and send phone pictures of such pans to others here in the club to tell each other how they are bad home keepers and how nasty their cookware looks. And you don't need to go too far for that: about a century ago, aluminum pots became highly desirable because before then people were using cast-iron or carbon-steel cookware, and they *polished* them to a high shine (with sand, steel wool etc) every time they used the things. Aluminum cookware was much easier to keep clean compared to that.

As for just "wiping clean" with a paper towel, I know plenty of people who do that to Teflon cookware. Does not fill me with warm fuzzies and confidence. For me, things don't necessarily *need* to go to the dishwasher, a quick hand washing is fine with me. But I'd like to see some soap and water there.

Oh, one more thing about that article: if I am to believe their spiel, "conventional" non-stick PTFE cookware is "dangerous" and/or "toxic" because they have fluoropolymers in them. Namely PTFE.

Did you notice how a little further down the article, they mention the alternative is to use "stonewear", which they "helpfully" explain to us, the unwashed ignorant masses (pun intended), that stonewear is similar to ceramic non-stick, and all of a sudden, it's a "non-toxic" "alternative" made with a combination of crushed stone and a polymer? That polymer will degrade and produce very similar fumes to the ones Teflon does. There is a very simple reason for that: they are either *made* with PTFE or with a very similar polymer.

People, please, wake up. Teflon's patents have run out over 20 years ago. So now, people want to sell you on the "new" stuff that has a current patent, but it's not that different.


Post# 1010419 , Reply# 25   10/11/2018 at 13:23 (2,022 days old) by washerboy (Little Rock Arkansas)        
It can be gross..but

I love all of mine. I have a dutch oven that's at least 150 years old and several size skillets and a cornbread stick skillet from great grandmother, and grandmother. My father's second wife didn't wash her cast iron skillets..I opened the storage drawer one day and found it with mold growing in it. Whatever the argument..I'm not putting a dirty anything up in my kitchen. I wash all my cast iron with Dawn. I wouldn't run them through the dishwasher.

Post# 1010438 , Reply# 26   10/11/2018 at 18:36 (2,022 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Grandma never washed her ironware either ...

But she would put her skillet back in the oven after making cornbread and get it really hot. Then she would hold it under running water. I remember as a young child it making a loud popping and hissing noise and a huge plume of steam lifting out of the sink. I think it was her way of cleaning the pan after each use. Didn't seem to hurt it either. It would leave it dry instead of oily.

Post# 1010562 , Reply# 27   10/12/2018 at 16:31 (2,021 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Thank you, Earthling for some truth here. I was always squicked out a bit by my grandmother's Griswold cast iron--it was always nonstick on the inside and sticky on the outside...yecch. Family friends had the same Revere Ware that my mom had...theirs always was streaky and nasty looking--my mom's was shiny and nice. Always thought it was because my mom used electric to cook with and Carole used gas...the culprit was that my mom could fit the Revere Ware into the dishwasher (with just four for dinner)...it was always thoroughly cleaned. Carole, on the other hand, had six for dinner and not enough space in the dishwasher for the pots/pans, hence doing the pots/pans last left them with the greasy dishwater film. Yecch.

Post# 1010570 , Reply# 28   10/12/2018 at 17:38 (2,021 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
People have been cooking with cast iron for centuries

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Long before modern dish detergents, automatic dishwashers and everything else we have today. While plenty may have died from food poisoning resulting from improper storage/lack of refrigeration, don't believe numbers are anywhere near from "unclean" cast iron cookware.

Cast iron can withstand great heat; thus in theory whatever "germs" would be effectively destroyed by that process. Main worry today is about smoke given off as cast iron reaches extreme temperatures.

You can clean and or season cast iron by shoving it into hot coals/fire. Indeed if you've something that is badly rusted; just wash/scrub down, then shove into a hot coals (or maybe use a self cleaning oven). Once that is done re-season and you're good to go.


Post# 1010589 , Reply# 29   10/12/2018 at 21:19 (2,021 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.

Sure, we can heat up any metal pan to a high temp and "sterilize" it.

We can heat up some ceramic (not coating, real ceramic made with clay) to even higher temps, until they glow white.

But the two points people are trying to make, to contrast to the point "I can heat it up and sterilize it" are very important too.

First off, independent of how hot you can make something to sterilize it, it doesn't mean the cookware is safe. Its also very true that just because something is being used for centuries, it doesn't mean it's safe either.

Just as an FYI, all kinds of earthenware, both unglazed and glazed (which includes ceramics and fine china) have been used for longer than just when my grandma walked this Earth, it has thousands of years of use.

And yet, we'd like to talk about how unsafe it was to use some of them (and also stuff made out of glass) up to 1940's or so, because some of them were crawling with lead which leached out on the food. We'd love to be able to say the problem was solved in the 40's or so and all such material is safe now, but it's not. We're still getting reports every few years that such-and-such item from such-and-such manufacturer is being recalled for containing excess lead. Please note the "excess" in there. A lot of them are not even lead-free.

And not for nothing, but when friends and I were taking Chemistry Lab classes, a lot of the times we were doing experiments on pure ceramic containers, then we were instructed to put the containers with the material inside to heat up in a kiln set up to various temperatures, depending on the reaction we were supposed to carry on. The thing was never set to less than 400F, very often, it was set to much higher than that. A lot of the times, the desired products would be after calcination was complete, which means, only ashes were on the container.

One would think that one could just be done by brushing off the contents and the container would be clean. Or that one could just rinse off the container and one was set to go. And yet, a lot of my friends were admonished by the professors and/or lab techs for failing to *wash* and then *rinse* the containers. One time a student in class escaped the eagle eyes of professors and technicians, just rinsed the container and started the next reaction -- they found out that the reaction failed because of residue *still* on the ceramic surface after being rinsed.

And honestly, I *know* it's unlikely to happen, but just go there with us for a second and tell us how you'd feel, if you saw that someone who found a cast iron frying pan in a barn somewhere, and it was filled with shit, metaphorically speaking or literally speaking, and just tossed it on the fire until it was nearly white hot, then shook the ashes from it and started cooking. Would you *eat*?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I would want to see that *washed* and *rinsed* before anything got cooked in it.

PS: And thank you Jamie, I appreciate the comment.


Post# 1010600 , Reply# 30   10/12/2018 at 22:24 (2,021 days old) by Michaelman2 (Lauderdale by the Sea, FL)        

Superocd, prob not the best of ideas to cook acidic things in cast iron. I have never tried, so only know what I have deduced and read. I have read the acidity can cause the seasoning to degrade and the contents will have an off taste in regular cast iron.

I have used a le creuset dutch oven for spaghetti sauce.

Other than that, the maintenance on cast iron is possibly more than say, stainless steel cookware. For many things, I believe cast iron is really a good cookware.


Post# 1010615 , Reply# 31   10/13/2018 at 02:40 (2,021 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)        
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If the pan is well seasoned a little soap and water won't hurt it. When ready to use, cast iron is pre heated first, then ur choice of fat is added, then whatever ur going to cook. Exactly the way stainless would be treated. Please explain what grand positive or gram negative bacteria will survive this process?

Post# 1010616 , Reply# 32   10/13/2018 at 03:32 (2,021 days old) by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

Stan,

First off, there are some organisms, I forgot if they are bacteria or fungi, or maybe both, you can google and find out, but there are organisms that were found in highly acidic effluents from active volcanos.

Ah, there, found some examples, but there's more.

www.forbes.com/sites/robi...

www.bitsofscience.org/extremophil...

all-geo.org/volcan01010/2014/07/v...

www.newscientist.com/article/212...

Second, a professor of human psychology, I'm told, used to make his students go thru this experiment: they would take glasses right out of the dishwasher, or, when the classroom was bigger, distribute brand new disposable cups to the students.

The students were told to fill the cups with water and take a couple of sips. "All good?" he would ask. Everyone nodded yes. "Spit in the cups", he'd tell them, and they would. "Now drink the water", he'd say.

Very few people did. Most people were grossed out. By their own spit, which was inside their own mouths just a couple of seconds before.

A few questions that have been asked, in addition to the question asked by the original poster, and people dodged answering them.

Would you eat food cooked in a stainless-steel pot or aluminum pot with the same "patina" as a cast-iron pot? Or would you think the homemaker was subpar?

If it's not bad, why do we bother to wash all the other pots then? If the other pots *need* to be *cleaned*, why don't we clean cast-iron?

Now, going into a slightly different but related question: if the pot was soiled with mouse poo, or a bunch of mud or barn "junk", would you just chuck it into a roaring fire for an hour, wait for it to cool off, brush off the ashes and cook in it right away?

Or would you be too grossed out unless it was *washed* and *rinsed*?

There is no right or wrong answer here. One person feels it's "safe" and "clean enough" and the next person won't touch it until it has been cleaned and sterilized multiple times.

Sterile doesn't imply clean. One could dump ashes from a crematorium inside cast iron, brush it off, and I wonder how many people here would use that pot without washing? It's as sterile as it could be. It's still dirt, and it makes things it touches dirty. To me and many others anyway.

How about the rest of you? (No pun intended.)


Post# 1010617 , Reply# 33   10/13/2018 at 03:46 (2,021 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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There`s plain cast iron and there`s enameled cast iron like Le Creuset skillets. The latter doesn`t leach extra iron into your diet and isn`t prone to rust easily but seems to have other drawbacks.

My grandmother had an enameled one in her electric range when not use. Apparently a seasoning is beneficial for this type of cast iron as well, as she only wiped it out with paper towels or washed it as a last item only when absolutely necessary which also left it with a thin coat of oil.
I vividly remember the rancid stench coming out of the oven when you opened the door. Yuck ! But I also remember she made the world`s best fried potatoes, schnitzels, potato pancakes and many other things in this skillet.


Post# 1010636 , Reply# 34   10/13/2018 at 10:11 (2,021 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Splitting hairs or trying to reinvent the wheel isn't going to change ages old cooking habits.

My take away is that seriously OCD,germophobic,or allergy prone people would NEVER eat out of their own home-----ever, or risk certain death by poisoning. After all, restaurants are known to be notoriously germ free environments.🙄


Post# 1010638 , Reply# 35   10/13/2018 at 10:24 (2,020 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        

I have a few cast iron pans that I use for cornbread. Basically, an 8" square, a round one that makes 8 wedges, and a cornstick one. All are well seasoned and the cornbread lifts right out. I wash them lightly with soap and hot water then dry them briefly on the burner and put them away when cool. The only oil/grease they see now is what's in the batter and whatever I use to lightly grease the heated pan before putting the batter in.

I love my enamel over cast iron as well. I have a few Le Creuset, mainly from yard sales, but also other brands like Olive & Thyme. The other brands are thicker cast iron. They're great for stewing and braising as they hold heat well and things will simmer on a relatively low setting. Plus, I can use them with gas, electric or induction! The only one I ever lost was one that was repeatedly put in the dishwasher. Maybe it was coincidence, but all my other ones still have a mostly shiny surface and clean up with ease.

Chuck


Post# 1010640 , Reply# 36   10/13/2018 at 10:27 (2,020 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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"Dirty" and "clean" are very interesting concepts as you mention--there then is ritual cleanliness where, as a f'rinstance, orthodox Jews will immerse newly purchased cookpots (to kosher them) into the same mikvah (ritual bath) where people (primarily women) have just immersed their bodies. I always find it interesting strolling through wet markets in China/far East and seeing.observing the cleanliness of the activities while my nose twitches at the odors. I'd imagine the same type of twitchiness from someone from a non-dairy-intensive region visiting a dairy/cheese shop...you can see the gleaming stainless steel while still not registering a "clean" smell.


Post# 1010692 , Reply# 37   10/13/2018 at 19:48 (2,020 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        
Jamie

I don't know where you source your information, (perhaps Henry Fords Dearborn Independent of the 1920's),however, nothing could be further from the truth about the koshering process.

Everybody immerses their pots in a large kettle of boiling water. In the event a pot is made tref it can also be boiled. The old timers would bury it in the earth for a week and then clean and boil them. Anything can be made kosher simply by exposure to flame. So you can bake or broil some things with a gas stove or grill.

As an aside, a mikvah for human immersion must be constantly flowing fresh water------- not a pool!
Usually well water a stream or lake. If anyone did use the same source of water as the mikvah they would certainly use it before it got to human immersion.🙄


Post# 1010708 , Reply# 38   10/13/2018 at 22:55 (2,020 days old) by Michaelman2 (Lauderdale by the Sea, FL)        

Gyrafoam/Steve... thank you, I was wondering the same. So back to the issue at hand...I find cast iron a very durable, clean and functional choice for cookware.

Steve, thank you also for your wisdom on the koshering process. I don’t necessarily follow Kashrut, however I am familiar and I am glad you provided the facts/truth regarding Kashrut law and the actual process and thought behind the process.

Cookware made of cast iron is typically a nice standard in which to cook. Again, one can incur a bit more maintenance than other cookware, however I find it very durable and clean.

If proper cast iron maintenance is a bit too much... stuck with another cookware. It is quite simple. If it skeeves someone to think about cast iron cookware.... don’t stress, simply use something else.


Post# 1010763 , Reply# 39   10/14/2018 at 09:02 (2,020 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Sorry but I scarcely think Chabad.org equates to Henry Ford's antisemitsm….kindly withdraw your aspersion.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO jamiel's LINK


Post# 1010766 , Reply# 40   10/14/2018 at 09:17 (2,020 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        
Jamie---

you said and I will quote you "Jews will immerse newly purchased cookpots (to kosher them ) in the same mikvah (ritual bath) where people (primarily women) have just immersed their bodies". THAT is a LIE. Now, whatever reason you chose to distort the truth to fit whatever your agenda (anti-semite) is, you should at least "own" it.
I don't care a thing about what you "think". I do care about spreading that kind of prejudice especially amongst people who may not know any better.



Post# 1010768 , Reply# 41   10/14/2018 at 09:43 (2,020 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        
Returning to the topic at hand--------

I just used my iron roaster to make a fabulous brisket tzimmes loaded with sweet potatoes, prunes and carrots. There is just something special about using my old cookware.

Post# 1010770 , Reply# 42   10/14/2018 at 11:45 (2,019 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Fair point...term is the same, I misinterpreted the distinction.

Post# 1010785 , Reply# 43   10/14/2018 at 14:49 (2,019 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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I have my Grandmother's cast iron skillet that was a wedding gift to her and my Grandfather in 1920.  I never wash it with soap and water.  Sometimes I just wipe it clean.  Other times, I will scour it with hot water only and then dry and oil.  My favorite go to skillet is a carbon steel pan.  I have two of different sizes.  I've never washed with them soap and water either.  Just hot water and scour.  They get better with each use!


Post# 1010800 , Reply# 44   10/14/2018 at 17:33 (2,019 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
you can bet

If you ever get to eat at Steves house you will be in for a real treat!!!

Post# 1010860 , Reply# 45   10/15/2018 at 02:47 (2,019 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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When I come to think of it I`m not grossed out of my waffle iron either which is much harder to keep clean than any cast iron cookware, but I hate the rancid smell it leaves in the cupboard so much that I wouldn`t want to have anything else in my kitchen that requires an oil film.

So it`s only Teflon pans for me as they can go into the dishwasher.
Needless to say that anything you want to fry crispy in a thin Teflon pan sucks compared to cast iron.


Post# 1010861 , Reply# 46   10/15/2018 at 03:49 (2,019 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)        
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Don't want to add stress to ur OCD
But I really think your better off concerning yourself with kitchen sponge or dish cloths.
These are often over looked, and can be more worrisome than cast iron cook ware.
A quick fix can be..Kitchen sponge can be wet, and put into the microwave to kill bacteria.
This saves having to replace, or bleaching the sponge.


Post# 1010864 , Reply# 47   10/15/2018 at 07:20 (2,019 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
The real issue about cast iron

Is the new Lodge stuff is to my mind, worthless, its as rough as sandpaper and all the seasoning in the world wont make it useable, All mine is ancient...and smooth as silk, All of my Grandmothers cast iron is Griswold, and I also have some Wagner, None of the new junk.

Post# 1011071 , Reply# 48   10/16/2018 at 11:23 (2,017 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
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This small pan here came with a brownie mix that I bought and made long ago, and is genuine cast iron, though probably ranking with the inferior new stuff...

As for whether or not it's reusable, I don't know... So being fraught with the high maintenance Iron demands, after that brownie came out, it (as shown in the second photo) just became used as a (and appropriate for a kitchen) wall decoration...



-- Dave


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Post# 1011129 , Reply# 49   10/16/2018 at 23:41 (2,017 days old) by Stan (Napa CA)        
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Not sure I'd say it's inferior..it may be compaired to the old stuff?
My cast irin is all old smooth stuff, and I have 7 different pans.
What I do know is that once the pan is seasoned, their fairly low mantainence
I also know that the best thing you can do for cast iron pans is to...use them.
More they get used the better they perform
You may get a good pan out of it by just cooking in it.



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