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Thread Number: 77116
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Getting Ebac FL washer - made in the UK |
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| Post# 1010518 10/12/2018 at 04:21 (2,020 days old) by RobM (Buxted) | ||
Hi all
Today I am going to take delivery of a 7kg Ebac washer. Got this at a reduced price and on a whim decided to purchase to test. I know some of you will be interested as these are still very rare only coming out fairly recently. There are no videos of these yet operating. I hope to change that! Will keep you updated CLICK HERE TO GO TO RobM's LINK | ||
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Post# 1010624 , Reply# 1 10/13/2018 at 07:14 (2,018 days old) by washerguy02  (Manchester ) |
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HI rob, I feel happy for you to get an eBac. I love these machines and I can’t wait to see videos of it. It’s nice that UK production for washers is restoring after some years, I hope there are more UK factories / more washing machine production in UK. I think this means more decent better built machines. I hope you enjoy the eBac and I can’t wait to hear your views on the new machine.
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| Post# 1011279 , Reply# 3 10/18/2018 at 11:43 (2,013 days old) by RobM (Buxted) | ||
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It is a really interesting machine actually. I have been doing many vids of it and I am going to do something for YouTube soon you can see.
Here are some of the programme overviews - Cottons takes 4 hours but does reduce to about 3 There is a cotton saver programme that lasts about 2 hours They synthetics is 1:20 but can be spun on full speed The Allergy care does a cotton saver wash (45 mins) with 4 rinses and full spin. This machine uses a good amount of water and the intensive button gives good wash action. I find it gets clothes really clean. Does some deep rinses too. Build quality isn't bad but not a Miele. It has quite a high pitched inverter motor but not too loud. It also has a water jet. Quite please so far and could be a good collectors item for the future. | ||
| Post# 1011283 , Reply# 4 10/18/2018 at 12:14 (2,013 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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Four hours to wash cottons? Did I read that correctly? | ||
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Post# 1011286 , Reply# 5 10/18/2018 at 12:47 (2,013 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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4h is not uncommon for EU Cotton label cycles. Not that that has been discussed a million times on here... | ||
| Post# 1011307 , Reply# 6 10/18/2018 at 15:44 (2,013 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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"spun on full speed" Good. Far too many foreign machines have dodgy spin speeds. I was reading about the cheaper Chinese brands that had slow spin speeds for the quickwash cycles. | ||
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Post# 1011315 , Reply# 7 10/18/2018 at 16:21 (2,013 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Four hours? | ||
| Post# 1011420 , Reply# 8 10/19/2018 at 11:33 (2,012 days old) by RobM (Buxted) | ||
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Hi all
I have just done a quick overview for youtube. Will do other vids soon. BTW 4 hours is the max time and it adjusts down. Rob CLICK HERE TO GO TO RobM's LINK | ||
| Post# 1011603 , Reply# 10 10/20/2018 at 21:13 (2,011 days old) by richnz (New Zealand) | ||
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4 hours to wash cottons! One can only imagine the looks the sales folk must receive when they tell customers that gem. How long does an EU kettle take to boil 1 litre of water? | ||
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Post# 1011666 , Reply# 11 10/21/2018 at 11:54 (2,010 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 1011668 , Reply# 12 10/21/2018 at 12:24 (2,010 days old) by RobM (Buxted) | ||
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Thank you Rolls-Rapide
I actually thought I'd tap the drums of a few of my machines. My Bosch Logixx, Hoover 9kg (1 year old) and the Ebac, all felt pretty much the same. Not amazingly thick drums. My old Miele from 1999 was solid. If Ebac can just amend their programming a bit they would be on to a winner. I am going to write to them and reference my review. Rob | ||
| Post# 1012340 , Reply# 13 10/28/2018 at 09:40 (2,003 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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How goes the Ebac machine? Are there any irritations with the design? | ||
| Post# 1012486 , Reply# 14 10/29/2018 at 16:35 (2,002 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia) | ||
Hi Robert
I really like your machine. Congratulations and happy washing ! :-)
It is indeed a rare machine as a V-Zug can be, mabe even more rare. It has a simple and sleek design and it seems well build. I would also say that 3 (or even 4) hours for a Cotton labeled cycle these days really isn't nothing uncommon. I meen, I don't need to sit in front of the washing machine and watch and wait the entire cycle. We are talking of a Cotton cycle for heavily soiled whites that need a thorough wash. But a cycle like this lot of people does it maybe only 2 times a month. So I think in this case the result is much more important than the time. | ||
| Post# 1013239 , Reply# 15 11/4/2018 at 12:11 (1,996 days old) by RobM (Buxted) | ||
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Ebac review against Hoover, Indesit, Siemens and Bosch
Hi there
Sorry it has taken me so long to get back, it has been a busy week! Thank you 'Gorenje' and 'Rolls Rapide'. The main niggles with this machine is the way it spends lots of time pulse spinning, endlessly distributing and then stopping, having to re-distribute. Lots of wasted time that is unnecessary. Modern machines have out of balance sensors, I get that with larger loads. The problem is why when the load is perfectly balanced does it then completely stop the drum? If it kept the distribution speed the machine could pulse spin in faster longer stages but not waste time. Sorry it is a bug bear of mine in modern machines. I hate the faffing. That being said, it is generally a good machine. I've attached a review of machines I have used recently, to compare. To note, I am not an engineer so I cannot comment on internal build or longevity, only time will tell on that. These are just my person experiences. Hope the JPG attached comes out OK. I copied the data from an excel spreadsheet I created. All the best
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Post# 1013263 , Reply# 16 11/4/2018 at 15:54 (1,996 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Redistributing Redistributing helps with even, thorough and crease-reduced extraction. You know how when you wring a cloth out by hand you wring, stop, change position and repeat? Same here. 3 pulses and redistributions in total are perfectly normal. | ||
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Post# 1013267 , Reply# 17 11/4/2018 at 16:28 (1,996 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Quite right! | ||
| Post# 1013359 , Reply# 18 11/5/2018 at 07:36 (1,995 days old) by RobM (Buxted) | ||
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Redistributions
For me, pulse spins are an essential part of any modern front loader. What I find frustrating is when the load balances, spins and then stops completely before the next pulse spin. I just wish the drum would at least stay at distribution speed between pulses. This would save endlessly have to re-distribute after every pulse spin.
I have now done a video of the mixed wash. Hope it plays OK. CLICK HERE TO GO TO RobM's LINK | ||
| Post# 1013414 , Reply# 19 11/5/2018 at 13:27 (1,995 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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Cant Wait to see your review (haven’t watched it yet). Want to see if it matches Which’s review - they absolutely trashed this machine in their review (IIRC it got a “don’t buy”). | ||
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Post# 1013513 , Reply# 25 11/6/2018 at 11:55 (1,994 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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Which
Below is an oldish video from Which describing the processes they use.
And they use the programmes thay consider people will use most like 40 degree cottons or 40 degree synthetics - trying to emulate real life settings. There is a link on the video which will take you, not immediatly, to the tests which have been summarised above. You could even go for a trial subscription (which i think is £1) to avoid posting speculation as matters of fact | ||
| Post# 1013530 , Reply# 27 11/6/2018 at 15:46 (1,994 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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sceptical of Which I've personally had irritating previous experiences with their 'Best Buys', so I'll take their 'modern' advice with a large dollop of salt. Make no mistake, I do hold vintage Which in high regard. Back then, the information was concise. | ||
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Post# 1013532 , Reply# 28 11/6/2018 at 16:03 (1,994 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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@ Rolls-rapide
I too enjoy the vintage Which mags but back then they did the testing in a number of homes and not in a laboratory.
They said that if there was too few a machine to test out it was due to not being in enough homes and thus they could not speculate. Did they test the Ebac in a few homes like they did the old twinnies and Auto's? Austin | ||
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Post# 1013575 , Reply# 29 11/7/2018 at 02:07 (1,994 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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@ Austin
Austin
Which have always done their primary testing in a laboratory, right back to their first washing machine test (wringer washers) in 1958. I understand they also do some testing of machines in homes to get "real world" appraisal but the primary tests have always been in the laboratory. Actually I wish they would update their tests on this machine which are now about 18 months old to see if their have been any changes in the programming to improve performance. I had considered buying one of these earlier in the year but the Which report put me off, whilst not the most expensive machine, they are a long way from being the cheapest with a best buy Beko machine being less than half the price. | ||
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Post# 1013613 , Reply# 32 11/7/2018 at 10:15 (1,993 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield, East Midlands, UK) |
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I will admit I was somewhat surprised at how bad their conclusions were - I could understand that with a hot fill the results would not be so good, especially with bio detergents, compared to cold fill but I would have expected results to be much of a muchness - the machines all work in pretty much the same way.
I have used many machines in my time (at the moment I have 30 odd autos to choose from each week) and all been more or less satisfactory. But one case in point everyone holds Bendix (Philco) washers in high esteem yet they were consistantly marked down for washing performance in the 1970s/early 80s compared to other machines. I have two of them and they both seem to do fine. Of course a lot comes down to the nature of the clothes you are washing - nowadays most people are (generally) physically cleaner and wear clothes for much shorter periods between washes so most washers will wash clean - even a cheapie Bush washer (another dont buy) I used for a couple of months a few years ago was OK. But if you are doing really grimy stuff like overalls, or childrens clothes when they have been out playing (do children go out playing now?) then it could be more of a problem. I find that the main challenges to any machine are stained tea towels and handkerchiefs (sorry not in good taste but its true) and that is using cold fill, 60 degree cottons wash and, generally, Persil S&M bio. The only thing to get them really clean is a soak overnight first - even using a pre-wash will not get the "shadow" stains out. | ||
| Post# 1013737 , Reply# 33 11/8/2018 at 06:04 (1,992 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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That Which Youtube video... ...in Reply #25: She wants to get her bloody facts right in the first place! RPM is defined as 'revolutions per minute'. Not, as she says, "rotations". Probably wouldn't know one end of a screwdriver from the other. | ||
| Post# 1013895 , Reply# 34 11/9/2018 at 11:34 (1,991 days old) by RobM (Buxted) | ||
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Hi all
Well I have to say that the Ebac, isn't half as bad as Which? make out! To be fair it does have its rinsing issues which I think are due to not enough interim spinning and the fact that the jet can pump soapy water back over washing. However, not nearly as bad as they write. You can also add more rinsing. They seem to rate Samsung highly and although I've never owned one, I've heard some very negative things about them from the washer community. I remember buying a Which? best buy kettle for quietness. However, after no time the kettle was very noisy and this was mentioned by numerous customer reviews. If you notice, many of their reviews, clash with their customers. I think the Ebac needs a chance. If I have time I am going to send them my feedback. | ||
| Post# 1013896 , Reply# 35 11/9/2018 at 11:44 (1,991 days old) by liamy1 (-) | ||
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RobM *They seem to rate Samsung highly and although I've never owned one, I've heard some very negative things about them from the washer community* You're not wrong there! Have had 2 Samsung washing machines - issues with them both - one was £1000+!!!! | ||
| Post# 1014021 , Reply# 36 11/10/2018 at 12:41 (1,990 days old) by chrisbsuk (Bristol, uk) | ||
Which....
I too am suspicious of Which? reviews, especially at the moment with them crowning Samsung “Home Appliance Brand of The Year” - I’ve written to Which?, three times, asking if they consider aftercare part of awarding a manufacturer an award like this. And guess what! They’ve not even acknowledged my mail asking these questions.
The reason I asked them this, is because I had my fingers burnt with a Samsung Washing machine earlier this year, which lasted less than 6 weeks before I rejected it, under the sale of goods act with the shop I bought it from. It stopped dispensing detergent automatically (and with the model I had, there was no dispenser drawer!) and then flooded the basement. I called Samsung, WHO DO NOT HAVE A DEDICATED UK REPAIR NETWORK, and subcontract it out to whoever is available (granted, they are trained by Samsung) - they couldn't come to me for three and a half weeks. I live in Bristol. Not an Island in the middle of the North Sea. And even then, that wouldn't be acceptable! Three and a half weeks to me was unacceptable, and that was the basis of my note to Which? - asking if they thought crowning a brand with this award, was solely based on performance, or did they take into account the wider offerings that you “buy” as part of the brand. I therefore rejected the appliance with the store, and they were really honest and said "we don't stock Samsung anymore, because of their aftercare" - which I thought was so telling. Which are currently obsessed with Samsung. Perhaps i’m sceptical after my experience, but something tells me it doesn't quite stack up. A machine may spin well, but with no aftercare service worth talking about, it seems a poor decsion to recommend the brand overall. And I think /worry the Ebac rating could be terribly un-justified! And for those of you on here who warned me about Samsung all those months - SORRY…I did choose to ignore you and believe Which, but I know better now. Sadly, I still have the dryer, as I bought them as a set. And if you’re interested, I replaced the Samsung with a Miele W1, WMG120, with Twin Dos Dispensing, Cap Dosing, steam and 1600 RPM spin. I love it. Its like a silent tank! It is exactly what I should have done in the first place. Lesson learned! Picture below. thanks all Chris
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| Post# 1014130 , Reply# 38 11/11/2018 at 14:46 (1,989 days old) by chrisbsuk (Bristol, uk) | ||
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@rolls | ||
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Post# 1014135 , Reply# 39 11/11/2018 at 16:09 (1,989 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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@chrisbsuk
Have you seen how many broken Samsung washers are on ebay? When you put the same criteria but put Miele you seem to get even more but majority are not in this country.
I personally have a Miele W4449 washer and Dishwasher sadly although its darn good an AEG dryer I also have various Miele vacuums and they all perform simply superbly..... Who needs aftercare when they don't go wrong? Austin | ||
| Post# 1014141 , Reply# 40 11/11/2018 at 17:02 (1,989 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK) | ||
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| Post# 1014203 , Reply# 41 11/12/2018 at 06:33 (1,988 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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@ l86810 How does the Quickdrive mechanism operate? Is there a second motor? | ||
| Post# 1014219 , Reply# 42 11/12/2018 at 13:15 (1,988 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK) | ||
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| Post# 1014228 , Reply# 43 11/12/2018 at 14:54 (1,988 days old) by chrisbsuk (Bristol, uk) | ||
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@ austin... yeah, I've seen loads on eBay. if you filter by "condition - used/not working/for parts only" its a shower of Samsungs that cant be more than a couple of years old, along with a load of Hotpoint's & Hoovers! There are a few Miele's on there, but they look 10 years + old - almost to be expected, you know?!
@Adam... man, I didn't get to use the Gardening cycle. GUTTED. I used most of the others, but they were rubbish in light of the detergent dispenser not working. I'll give it its due, it was super quiet and looked sexy. That's all I can say for it. even Which gave it a best buy! Incredible! I'm stuck with the Samsung Heatpump Dryer for now sadly... | ||
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Post# 1014230 , Reply# 44 11/12/2018 at 15:10 (1,988 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I'm not a big fan of Samsung machines, especially because I don't like their cycles. However on a Dutch review site (where customers write the reviews, most Samsung score high. 39 models out of 42 score 8.0 or higher on a scale of 10!
www.kieskeurig.nl/wasmach... There are brands that do a lot worse on that site. | ||
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