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Speed Queen TL leaving clothes wet after spin?
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Post# 1013456   11/5/2018 at 23:38 (255 days old) by good-shepherd (New Jersey)        

Same issue still going on I mentioned in another post.

A friends Speed Queen awn432 TL washer is leaving the clothes too wet after the final spin. Now they've burned up their fairly new 29 inch Maytag dryer after the husband put in a big load of wet towels.

The belt was replaced on the washer which helped somewhat. Could this be a timer issue, as the machine doesn't appear to spin fast enough on the regular/normal wash setting?

Any help appreciated.


Post# 1013499 , Reply# 1   11/6/2018 at 10:14 (254 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Not likley a timer problem

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Who replaced the belt ?

How old is this washer ?

When the washer is spinning in the last spin cycle [ heavy regular fast speed ] with an empty tub the washer should get up to speed and make a slight whistling sound if it is reaching its 700+ RPM speed.

John L.


Post# 1013523 , Reply# 2   11/6/2018 at 13:54 (254 days old) by good-shepherd (New Jersey)        
Who replaced the belt ?

I replaced the belt with an OEM speed queen part. Machine is about a 2006 model with the older sliver control panel

I didn't notice a whistling sound on final spin and it doesn't seem to get up to 700+ rpm spin. Water drains completely but the clothes are still excessive damp, especially heavier items.

-Thanks


Post# 1013552 , Reply# 3   11/6/2018 at 19:44 (254 days old) by gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Au)        
spring tension

The tension of the drive belt is controlled by a fairly gentle spring. The tension is, IMHO, just enough and any weakening of the spring over time could result in a poor spin.

Does your machine have a pump driven by the main motor, and does it spin slowly when pumping out, only ramping up to full spin speed once the drum has emptied?
If so, the spring tension is critical to these machines spinning well. When the drum is full of water, it starts pumping out and the basket revolves slowly, the gentle belt tension and the high load of trying to spin a full drum of water means that the belt slips a lot, giving a gentle rotation of the basket. As the water level drops, the load on the belt decreases and the slippage reduces, which means the spin increases. Once most of the free water is pumped away, the basket turns more easily, so the belt slippage falls to almost nothing and the the spin increases to full speed.
I think your problem is too much slippage. You need to find out why. AS a TEMPORARY test only, you can pull on the spring while it is spinning weakly, to see if spin speed picks up when you increase spring tension. Be careful not to touch anything moving or electrically live, you could get injured or killed.
DO NOT fit a stronger spring or try any other dodgy method to increase spring tension. The gentle spring tension is an essential part of the design, if you fit a strong spring, it will try to spin with the drum still full, that will either (a) create a vortex and spin water over the top of the drum, creating a flood, or (b) overload and burn out the motor.

Australian Simpson machines of the 1970s used a similar system and they had a range of holes for the tensioner spring, you could simply move the spring to a further hole to increase tension. But if I recall correctly, the Speed Queens don't have that arrangement, so I don't think you can adjust the tension.

You first need to eliminate any sign of stiffness that might limit the spin getting up to speed, and check that the pump is getting rid of the water quickly. If the pump is emptying the drum slowly, then the spin phase might be almost over by the time the drum is empty, leaving almost no time for the faster spin. So check for blockages, kinked drain hoses, and so on. If it empties into a standpipe, put the drain hose into a sink instead and watch the flow rate when pumping out, these machines really blast the water out if pumping correctly. Anything that slows the rate of emptying will affect the spin results.

If that doesn't solve your mystery, maybe the spin bearings are seizing, so the drum is hard to turn at speed.

Also check that you have the correct belt for your washer... IIRC, there are two similar belts for different Speed Queens, if you fit the larger belt you will never get enough tension. They are very similar in size but not identical.

If there is no adjustment for spring tension, replace the spring and see if that helps...

Check that the belt is threaded correctly around the tensioner - from memory the tensioner wheel runs on the BACK of the belt, not the V side of the belt.

the video linked below shows the tensioner. The camera work is pretty bad, but you get a glimpse...


CLICK HERE TO GO TO gizmo's LINK


Post# 1013557 , Reply# 4   11/6/2018 at 20:59 (254 days old) by good-shepherd (New Jersey)        
spin bearings are seizing, so the drum is hard to turn

The spring and pulley were replaced 4 years ago. I tried increasing tension on the spring but it didn't seem to help

Forgot to mention, the motor felt excessively hot to the touch after the final spin.


Post# 1013588 , Reply# 5   11/7/2018 at 07:09 (253 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        

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I have never seen a SQ washer with a sizing spin bearing that did not sound like a freight train, and even then they still would spin pretty well till the machine was leaking rusty water badly.

 

What happens when you pull the idler pulley arm harder when the machine is spinning ?

 

Don't worry about the temperature of the motor, they are generally too hot to touch, split phase motors are VERY inefficient which they are being replaced by better designs in newer appliances.

 

John L.


Post# 1013601 , Reply# 6   11/7/2018 at 08:55 (253 days old) by good-shepherd (New Jersey)        
What happens when you pull the idler pulley

Pulling on the idler pulley arm didn't seem to have much effect although the lid was closed so it was hard to be sure.

One time I must have pulled the arm too far, I heard a click and the machine shut down.


Post# 1013618 , Reply# 7   11/7/2018 at 11:36 (253 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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once the water is out of the machine, while pulling on the idler pulley, you should hear the tub ramp up even faster....

even if you pull the pulley making the belt really tight, it shouldn't kill the motor...

even if the idler pulley is dry without lubricant, it will still work, just with a loud screeching/chirp noise..

oversudsing/suds lock will slow down any spin....


I almost want to ask if the helix is working to release the brake?...

as for the tension spring, at first, I have pulled it tighter and created a new hook....then finally installed a throttle spring from a car...it will ramp the tub up quicker with water still inside, but has never killed the motor...


as John mentioned, an empty tub spinning most times will have a whistling sound as air is passing through the holes...

can't help but think, its probably something simple that's being overlooked.....we all been there....


Post# 1013630 , Reply# 8   11/7/2018 at 13:34 (253 days old) by good-shepherd (New Jersey)        

Okay thanks.

I'll try playing around with the spring tension, although it really didn't seem to be a belt slippage issue but maybe the drive pulley has some glaze on it?

How do I check the if the helix is releasing the brake?



Post# 1013635 , Reply# 9   11/7/2018 at 14:00 (253 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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this great vid by our own DanMan showing the inner workings...


at 1:53, you will see the motor reverse, and the black/white hub at the bottom of the transmission sort of twist pop open/slide to release the brake and begin spin.....it happens very quickly...








Post# 1013641 , Reply# 10   11/7/2018 at 14:48 (253 days old) by good-shepherd (New Jersey)        
this great vid by our own DanMan

I don't recall her machine hitting the top spin speed as shown on the vid.

Rather, it just seemed to ramp up to a certain point then no faster.


Post# 1013664 , Reply# 11   11/7/2018 at 19:37 (253 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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if it were me, I would be bringing it down to JohnL in DC and have him look at it...

if anyone can diagnose and whip it into shape, its him!

that mystery would be solved in minutes...


Post# 1014177 , Reply# 12   11/11/2018 at 21:21 (249 days old) by good-shepherd (New Jersey)        

Well, I looked at the SQ washer again this weekend.

Helix is releasing and putting pressure on the idler pulley arm has absolutely no effect on the spin speed which I guess to be about half what it should be.

Washer is going out to the curb it this can't be solved.


Post# 1014207 , Reply# 13   11/12/2018 at 07:58 (248 days old) by gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Au)        

are you sure the idler pulley is correctly positioned on the belt?

Can you post a video of your machine, showing the pulleys / belt / transmission when it is attempting to spin?

You don't have it in some setting that selects a slower spin, do you? (Permanent press / delicates or something similar? )

Please don't take offence at these basic suggestions, just trying to cross off all options. It is easy to overlook something simple, I have just done it myself today... Spent most of the day, on and off, repeatedly dismantling a Bosch front loader chasing why it isn't heating the water after I completed another repair. Turns out (discovered at about midnight...) that I had plugged the temp sensor wire into the wrong socket on the main module, so the computer was getting no info about water temp. I thought that would throw an error code, but no, hours of frustration for a simple basic error on my part. D'oh.


Post# 1014210 , Reply# 14   11/12/2018 at 09:53 (248 days old) by good-shepherd (New Jersey)        
idler pulley correctly positioned

Everything is fine with the belt and pulley and it happens on the regular settings.

Either the motor is not spinning at the correct speed or something slowing it down somehow.

I guess the next step would be to take off the tub cover and look around for some clothing that may have gotten between the spin basket and tub.


Post# 1014242 , Reply# 15   11/12/2018 at 18:00 (248 days old) by gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Au)        

Good suggestion. It is a rotten job, though. Good luck.

Post# 1014291 , Reply# 16   11/12/2018 at 20:56 (248 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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keep us posted....

if your going to toss it....

or figure out whats wrong...





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