Thread Number: 77389
/ Tag: Refrigerators
1930's Norge Rollator Refrigerator.... |
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Post# 1013619 , Reply# 2   11/7/2018 at 11:43 (1,967 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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I need to come to Alabama and see these great fridges! |
Post# 1013698 , Reply# 3   11/7/2018 at 22:25 (1,967 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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40 lbs. of cast iron, can't get much more American than that! They were made in Detroit, right?
I'm loving hearing it run, too, even as is. As I mentioned, my grandmother had one of these. My parents used to laugh about visiting her just after they got married, and having to sleep in a room next to the kitchen, with no door. The Norge kept them awake, maybe because they weren't used to it, but it's easy to imagine it chugging away with a slipping belt. I also didn't know that GE used a rotary compressor in the methyl formate monitor tops...just assumed it was the same unit as the sulfur dioxide ones. Thanks for making the video! |
Post# 1013731 , Reply# 5   11/8/2018 at 03:43 (1,967 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 1013833 , Reply# 7   11/8/2018 at 22:38 (1,966 days old) by turbokinetic (Northport, Alabama USA)   |   | |
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So, today I got the Rollator back together and letting the sealant dry overnight.
Also, some pictures of the inside of the evaporator, using a borescope.
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Post# 1013844 , Reply# 8   11/8/2018 at 23:32 (1,966 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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Post# 1013850 , Reply# 9   11/8/2018 at 23:45 (1,966 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Cant wait to hear it run |
Post# 1013975 , Reply# 11   11/10/2018 at 01:33 (1,965 days old) by turbokinetic (Northport, Alabama USA)   |   | |
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Today I replaced the motor's start capacitor; and also cleaned and re-varnished the winding. It seems to be very healthy!
The compressor skid is back together, save for installing a non-spliced belt.
A quick video about it, just showing the progress today.
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Post# 1014075 , Reply# 13   11/10/2018 at 23:36 (1,964 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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That sure did quiet down with the new belt and a full charge of refrigerant. Like Charlie Brown's Christmas tree, it just needed a little love. Great job!
If nobody on the Monitor Top forum knows of another working example, there may not be one. Now that you've got it working again, how about making some Rollator cookies, or Rollator salad? (This is from lileks.com, which has the whole Norge advertising booklet, "Famous Foods of Famous Stars." CLICK HERE TO GO TO Supersuds's LINK |
Post# 1014088 , Reply# 14   11/11/2018 at 02:38 (1,964 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)   |   | |
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Post# 1014096 , Reply# 15   11/11/2018 at 07:09 (1,963 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )   |   | |
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Other than the seal problems, A rotary compressor is about everlasting. |
Post# 1014128 , Reply# 17   11/11/2018 at 14:17 (1,963 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.)   |   | |
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This is from a catalog that I have from around 1936 (I believe). David, your work is amazing! I'm following your video channel - all of your remanufacturing is incredible! From one appliance restorer to another - keep up the fantastic work!
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Post# 1016431 , Reply# 22   12/1/2018 at 09:01 (1,943 days old) by turbokinetic (Northport, Alabama USA)   |   | |
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Sorry to hear about your Coldspot not working.
The arcing sound is probably the compressor start relay trying to work, but it's not working properly. I would replace that relay and see if this resolves the problem!
A wiring diagram would be helpful as well; to know what modern relay would be a good option. |
Post# 1016433 , Reply# 23   12/1/2018 at 09:48 (1,943 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Jackie, your ref would have a WP-Seeger rotary compressor, these generally have a start capacitor that can fail during time period and is often why they fail to start.
Easy way to test if the compressor is still serviceable is to install a modern 3in-one-relay and see if it works, if you try this buy the larger 1/4-1/3 HP 3 in one kit. If this works you can leave the 3in-one relay kit on this refrigerator and get rid of the old relay, overload and start capacitor. John L. |
Post# 1016434 , Reply# 24   12/1/2018 at 09:58 (1,943 days old) by turbokinetic (Northport, Alabama USA)   |   | |
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John, the failed capacitor could also be producing an arcing sound as well.
Would this be a hermetic or open-drive compressor? |
Post# 1016469 , Reply# 25   12/1/2018 at 17:47 (1,943 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 1016473 , Reply# 26   12/1/2018 at 19:46 (1,943 days old) by 63kenmore (Burlington, North Carolina)   |   | |
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Thank you for the information. Would you recommend a 3-in-1 unit such as the SUPCO that pops up when I search for “refrigerator starter capacitor”? I want to be sure that I do no damage in the process of trying to repair this lovely unit. Again, thanks for your support!!!! |
Post# 1016475 , Reply# 27   12/1/2018 at 19:50 (1,943 days old) by turbokinetic (Northport, Alabama USA)   |   | |
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Yes, that 3-in-1 unit, for the 1/4 to 1/5 HP size compressors would be a good choice! |
Post# 1016476 , Reply# 28   12/1/2018 at 19:54 (1,943 days old) by 63kenmore (Burlington, North Carolina)   |   | |
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Once again, Thank You for the quick reply! We shall get one ordered ASAP! |
Post# 1017531 , Reply# 30   12/9/2018 at 21:41 (1,935 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Yes you are likley seeing the rise due to the freezer being empty when its goes through a defrost cycle. The best way to monitor the temperature in the freezer is to have the probe of the temperature sensor in a cup of cooking oil so you can see what temperature the food would actually be, in the ref section the sensor probe can be in a glass of water.
This temperature should still be closer to 0-5 F, and the ref section 34-38 F, but with these earlier Frost Free refs they seldom worked as well as refs do today, this is way FF refs got a bad name and very few of these earlier ones have lasted or been kept this long.
John L. |
Post# 1017757 , Reply# 31   12/12/2018 at 10:20 (1,932 days old) by 63kenmore (Burlington, North Carolina)   |   | |
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Combo52, thanks for the information. The only concern I have now is the buzzing noise that the fridge makes when the compressor comes on, is this something I should worry about? |
Post# 1017825 , Reply# 32   12/12/2018 at 21:41 (1,932 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 1017849 , Reply# 33   12/13/2018 at 08:49 (1,931 days old) by jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA)   |   | |
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Diagram from the Norge Rollator manual.
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Post# 1017873 , Reply# 34   12/13/2018 at 12:49 (1,931 days old) by turbokinetic (Northport, Alabama USA)   |   | |
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JefAdelphi - thanks for the nice Norge diagram! That seems to match my system pretty well.
It's still working well, by the way. |
Post# 1017993 , Reply# 36   12/14/2018 at 10:46 (1,930 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 1018255 , Reply# 37   12/17/2018 at 08:18 (1,927 days old) by 63kenmore (Burlington, North Carolina)   |   | |
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Thanks so much for all of the information, we really appreciate the help. |