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Thread Number: 77492
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Post# 1014691 11/16/2018 at 18:22 (1,979 days old) by chetlaham  (United States) |
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Post# 1014692 , Reply# 1 11/16/2018 at 18:23 (1,979 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1014696 , Reply# 3 11/16/2018 at 18:52 (1,979 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland ) |
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I’m pretty sure they are frantically looking for a solution to their disaster of a washer. | ||
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Post# 1014725 , Reply# 4 11/16/2018 at 22:44 (1,979 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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 I do think that they will try to fix the problem, unfortunately they have so many left over 2018 machines that they will be around a while, LOL.
They are only selling 25-30 % as many TL washers as last year, and dryer sales have also fallen by more than 50% to say nothing about FL washer sales. The only SQ we are selling now at the rate we sold them last year is the Front Load Stack.
I predict that there will be a redesign soon, but I have been wrong before.
The whole thing has really been a disaster that will go down in American laundry history, the funny thing is a year ago SQ was doing so well that Whirlpool was starting to get scared and they came out with a few HD models with a 5 year warranty, I don't expect that WP-MT will even keep the 5 year warranty going long. | ||
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Post# 1014762 , Reply# 5 11/17/2018 at 06:24 (1,978 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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| Post# 1014770 , Reply# 6 11/17/2018 at 10:00 (1,978 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
 Out of curiosity, what kind of "fix" would be necessary to improve performance. When I was in the market for a new washer a few months ago, I passed on Speed Queen because of the reviews. A full load seems to be the major challenge in the new design. From videos I've seen, it always appears that garments on top just float and never get pulled under for any kind of wash action. I guess it mainly needs more aggressive agitation. | ||
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Post# 1014774 , Reply# 8 11/17/2018 at 11:23 (1,978 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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A Fix For The 2018 SQ TL Washers
The fix will involve putting in a mode shiftier so the agitator and the wash basket can move independently just like 99.9% of all top load washers built over the last 80+ years, despite what SQ thinks they did not reinvent the wheel.
This will cost more to build and decrease the mechanical reliability but the machine will actually wash clothes and use a lot less water. This is the reason that they never gave serious consideration to using this new design in their commercial models. Laundromat owners would never get away with washers that used this much water and did not clean the big loads their customers stuffed in them. | ||
| Post# 1015003 , Reply# 12 11/19/2018 at 08:40 (1,976 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
mtn1584
Have you ever heard of a manufacturer hiring someone to write positive reviews?
Have you ever heard of a manufacturer deleting their negative reviews. If not, you have now. As I have said on this subject before, If someone dropped a butt load of money on one of these machines, and is happy with it. I am happy for them. As for me, I will stick to my Whirlpool built Maytag. or I guess if I could put come clothes in a bucket and "agitate" them with a toilet plunger. I hear my results would be about the same or better than the current SQ. | ||
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Post# 1015023 , Reply# 14 11/19/2018 at 12:22 (1,976 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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The Third Rail of AW.org
is Speed Queen, don’t touch it!
I have the greatest respect for both Eugene and John. They both have professional experience with these machines, and know of what they speak. Many members are extremely passionate about their personal preference for washing machines, and I for one, repsect them. If this is what they like and want to use, who am I to question it. Just as I would hope I and other members who may differ in our opinions are repected as well. That being said, I also believe that Harley made some very valid points about SQ’s apparent manipulation of the reviews that do or don’t appear on their website. I personally don’t wish to purchase products from anyone that stacks the deck in their favor. I’ve read many negative reviews on the websites of both GE and Whirpool/Maytag,and they all seem to be answered by company representatives that reach out to the reviewers to contact them for a resolution. That’s the proper way to deal with criticism, not by sweeping it under the rug. So to each his own,buy and use what makes you happy, this is still America, isn’t it? Eddie This post was last edited 11/19/2018 at 12:40 | ||
| Post# 1015162 , Reply# 15 11/20/2018 at 10:03 (1,975 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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Ain't no party like a Speed Queen party cause a Speed Queen party don't stop. | ||
| Post# 1015348 , Reply# 19 11/21/2018 at 19:40 (1,974 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA) | ||
 With both you and Yogi experimenting I have no doubt it will be improved!
I've always suspected the design was driven more by marketing than anything else. The current design looks exactly the same as the old one so the average buyer would never know the difference. The locking lid makes sure its secrets are kept... | ||
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Post# 1015351 , Reply# 20 11/21/2018 at 20:05 (1,974 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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Whatever happened to ZPG? | ||
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Post# 1015352 , Reply# 21 11/21/2018 at 20:13 (1,974 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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2019 speed queen I can't wait to see what the 2019 speed queens have to offer. | ||
| Post# 1015372 , Reply# 23 11/22/2018 at 01:38 (1,973 days old) by FreshNclean (WA) | ||
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What about their front loafers for 2019? I wonder if they will bring these back . Their front loader is deem worthy. | ||
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Post# 1015511 , Reply# 25 11/23/2018 at 14:46 (1,972 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA) |
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50/50 mix of warm/hot water would be luke warm maybe even cool even if my HWH was set at 140F here in the Northeast during winter. I would hope they use an ATC setup instead. | ||
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Post# 1015656 , Reply# 26 11/24/2018 at 15:22 (1,971 days old) by GusHerb (Chicago/NWI) |
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I would imagine it's ATC given the machine alternates between hot and cold vs filling hot and cold at once. The water felt like it was about 95-100º when I stuck my hand in during the wash cycle, but that was a few weeks ago before the city water started to get real cold. | ||
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Post# 1017043 , Reply# 29 12/6/2018 at 08:58 (1,959 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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yeah, the GE dual action only works best when more clothes are added...it worked well in the transmission models....
I need to try an agitator from a transmission model in there....the larger vanes have to be an improvement...the AgiTub of the Frigidaire was effective, so there has to be a reason why... and I am wondering of adding 3 or 4, 1" or 2" vanes to the tub....after all, we have the momentum of the tub, might as well make use of it... the rinsing and extraction of this machine is impressive over past models....if you recall on past models, washing was good, issues of poor rinsing and extraction were a down side....now the tables have flipped.... so far we have 2 out of 3.....if we can get the washing improved, we might be onto something.... 2018 is only the prototype.....now, is there enough input to jump into 2019 with changes, or will it be held off until 2020?...time will tell.... | ||
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Post# 1017093 , Reply# 30 12/6/2018 at 15:03 (1,959 days old) by lowefficiency (Iowa) |
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Yogitunes wrote:
>>now, is there enough input to jump into 2019 with changes, or will it be held off until 2020? Could they even *afford* to wait until 2020? This to me feels like Speed Queen's "Neptune moment". In just one year they've done considerable damage to their brand and reputation, performed poorly in several high-profile major reviews, and instead of taking feedback back to engineering, have been actively hostile to those who post negative comments about their machines. They clearly don't understand how significant of a role social media plays, and the buying public have a LOT of concerning information at their fingertips when they type "Speed Queen 2018" into a Google search... | ||
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Post# 1017123 , Reply# 31 12/6/2018 at 18:40 (1,959 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1017127 , Reply# 32 12/6/2018 at 19:58 (1,959 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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That campaign has been going for a while now I have subbed their channel to see what they are comming up with. On their previous launches, they had a few weeks of a few videos, not much, never needed it. Most agressive thing they ever put out was their SQ vs. Maytag video a few years ago. For what pride they once had, this is almost pittyfull. | ||
| Post# 1017317 , Reply# 34 12/8/2018 at 10:00 (1,957 days old) by CorvairGeek (Gem State) | ||
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Sears to start selling Speed Queen Eddie Lampert should cut a deal and start selling them on a campaign of 'Cleanest Wash Ever'! | ||
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Post# 1017351 , Reply# 35 12/8/2018 at 15:24 (1,957 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Post# 1017427 , Reply# 37 12/9/2018 at 05:49 (1,956 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1017431 , Reply# 38 12/9/2018 at 08:54 (1,956 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA) |
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Rumor has it Haier is going to make a move to purchase Alliance for the commercial appliance division. Most likely they will purge the home appliances. This will give GE Appliances a full line of laundry appliances. | ||
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Post# 1017441 , Reply# 39 12/9/2018 at 10:22 (1,956 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Rumor Has It | ||
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Post# 1017450 , Reply# 40 12/9/2018 at 11:44 (1,956 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA) |
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Its a hostile take-over bid. Haier wants to disable the military by taking control of the company that makes laundry appliances for them. Hopefully substituting inferior laundry equipment that renders the military naked and afraid. | ||
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Post# 1017455 , Reply# 41 12/9/2018 at 13:04 (1,956 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Good Heavens! Washers as weapons! | ||
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Post# 1017519 , Reply# 43 12/9/2018 at 19:45 (1,956 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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They need
To take what they have and redesign. At minimum I'm thinking of adding a drum and break band to the wrench notch they have in the shaft and a catlyst prewash system... but even the latter is wishful thinking. They need an agitator that is Independent of the tub. I know Speed Queen is reading this forum and thinks we are all stark raving mad simply because of our interest in appliances- but one day they will realize we were right wanting them to succeed.
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| Post# 1018068 , Reply# 44 12/14/2018 at 23:03 (1,951 days old) by Xraytech (Rural southwest Pennsylvania ) | ||
While I don’t have a 2018 model Speed Queen, I purchased a digital control model in February 2017.
I will say I’m not overly happy with it, moms 2011 model does much better. I don’t overload my machine, I’ll wash 3 pairs of Hospital scrubs on the medium setting, I often get an overflow error, and it rinses poorly, I always have big white streaks on my navy blue scrubs from the detergent not finding out, not to mention it does a poor job at lint and dog hair removal. I’m ready to pull my 1987 GE Filter-Flo and have the agitator rebuilt so I can start using it again, it does a far superior job at washing, and I never had lint or dog hair on my clothes | ||
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Post# 1018086 , Reply# 46 12/15/2018 at 06:48 (1,950 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Affinity Agitub Machines, Around 2015 ? Hi Thomas, interesting information about this short lived design, ? why did FD abandon it so fast ?
You and others may remember we got one of these machines around 3 or 4 years ago. We washed a load of 4 large towels in it two of which had been evenly and heavily soiled by dragging them over my friends garage floor at his auto shop. When the soiled towels emerged from the washer they were only cleaned in ares, only about 1/2 the towel got effectively washed which showed the very poor turnover and cleaning of this washer.
Fast forward to October 2017 when I was at the sales meeting where SQ was unveiling the new 2018 TL washers. I expressed imitate concern that the new SQ system was not going to work and would have the same problems as the FD Affinity which had already been discontinued. The SQ people said they had tested the FDA and that they had solved its problems.
I predicted and told them at this meeting that the new machine would be a disaster and that sales would plummet.
SQ should have put this machine in the hands of people like Eugene and us to name a few several years ago to do real field testing instead letting a bunch of bean counting executives in Wisconsin make the decision to go ahead with production of this ineffective machine. | ||
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Post# 1018094 , Reply# 47 12/15/2018 at 09:22 (1,950 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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major changes... What are the major changes to this 2019 lineup? | ||
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Post# 1018096 , Reply# 48 12/15/2018 at 09:53 (1,950 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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| Post# 1018097 , Reply# 49 12/15/2018 at 10:05 (1,950 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
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Post# 1018099 , Reply# 50 12/15/2018 at 10:53 (1,950 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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I am curious how this style machine is not much different than an example of Maytag's Dependable Care.....
if Alliance would throw on a label, 'Durable Care'.....the machine is built to last.... Maytags claim to fame was not its great washing, it was that the machine lasted, or rather, 'gave' in to the load, never to sacrifice the machine... Maytags didn't operate with the lid open, so people would not see the mediocre wash action compared to a Kenmore or a GE....there was no YouTube back then... Maytags worked best if you underloaded them, seems SQ is the same..... these newer machines do have some drawbacks.....but given a choice, I would WASH in a 2017....and RINSE and SPIN in a 2018....just need to find a way to combine the two.... | ||
| Post# 1018100 , Reply# 51 12/15/2018 at 11:05 (1,950 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA) | ||
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If you advance the video to 54:00 you can see how to cancel the cycle and force a drain and spin. Seems like bizarre user interface design on a machine with simple dial selectors for most other choices. Edit: I see now that the 2018 worked the same way, except with physical switches. Still seems odd to me.
If I was new to this machine and just wanted to run a spin cycle it wouldn't be obvious how to do it. This post was last edited 12/15/2018 at 11:28 | ||
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Post# 1018114 , Reply# 53 12/15/2018 at 14:20 (1,950 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ) |
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I looked at the video posted by Eurekastar. The guy washes 15 lightweight t-shirts and the action is just pitiful. My 47 year old Maytag A606 would wash them 20 times better, set on gentle, and in less water. Did you get a load of that tub seam shown at the end of the video? CLICK HERE TO GO TO kenwashesmonday's LINK | ||
| Post# 1018117 , Reply# 54 12/15/2018 at 14:38 (1,950 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs) | ||
 I'm confused about the comment concerning the electronic control Speed Queen, especially since the pair I bought remains covered up in the garage and, depending on my health, may end up at the local Revivals Thrift Shop with doubting customers saying "oh sure they're brand new". What does an"Overflow" error mean? Is that a warning that my laundry room is about to look like a scene from "Titanic"? I haven't heard of too many negative reports concerning the older Speed Queens except wishing they had a faster spin...but then absolutely nothing is perfect. I know I would have been better off with the non-electronic versions but I went for the gusto.
tick tick tick...that's the warranty ticking away | ||
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Post# 1018147 , Reply# 55 12/15/2018 at 20:28 (1,950 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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wash agitation I noticed that the wash agitation on the long stroke is slightly shorter. | ||
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Post# 1018222 , Reply# 56 12/16/2018 at 19:30 (1,949 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland ) |
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I heard The heavy duty cycle was going to be more vigorous. The normal cycle is 20 minutes longer. They are also redesigning the tr3 and tr5 control boards due to extremely high failure | ||
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Post# 1018226 , Reply# 57 12/16/2018 at 20:41 (1,949 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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SQ vigorous action Maybe I'm missing the difference but on all the videos of the various cycles thus far I don't see much difference in wash "vigor" from one to another. There may be slight differences in long stroke periods, short stroke periods, pause time between them, and total wash time ... but the speed of the drum rotation always appears the same. | ||
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Post# 1018236 , Reply# 58 12/16/2018 at 22:34 (1,949 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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vigorous agitation I wonder how much more vigorous the agitation will be. | ||
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Post# 1018238 , Reply# 59 12/16/2018 at 23:01 (1,949 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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From Kirk's video, notice how the box no longer says Speed Queen. They know lol.
@Lorainefurniture, Thank you for the info, failing control boards makes the critics right. I can't see what they would be failing though- they said they are built to the same specs as the Front loaders. @Thomasortega: Spectacular posts. I am so happy to hear from someone on the inside and how it works. I don't blame anyone on considering an agi tub, its very elegant and little that can go wrong- but yes, its not practical for the real world. Question, and you do not have to answer it- but if you worked for Alliance, what would you do? How would improve or fix this blunder? | ||
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Post# 1018249 , Reply# 60 12/17/2018 at 06:23 (1,948 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland ) |
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I put a dual action agitator on my 2018 and it worked well, by any standard. Only problem is those really long strokes tangled up my shirts. If I could reprogram the board I could totally fix this washer. Maybe not totally fix it but make it a hundred times better. | ||
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Post# 1018383 , Reply# 62 12/18/2018 at 00:22 (1,948 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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For many folks TIME is a more valuable resource than power or water! | ||
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Post# 1018392 , Reply# 64 12/18/2018 at 02:49 (1,947 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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