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Thread Number: 77615
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| Post# 1016127 , Reply# 1 11/28/2018 at 18:36 (1,968 days old) by tomdawg (Des moines) | ||
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whirlpool Line up Nice! I do know whirlpool lowered their spin speed in the last models (the tinted door version) I talked to a whirlpool rep of why they did this, their reason was fabric care- makes sense. Im anxious to see them in person! | ||
Post# 1016134 , Reply# 2 11/28/2018 at 19:22 (1,968 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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Post# 1016151 , Reply# 3 11/28/2018 at 21:03 (1,968 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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It's an attractive machine. 5 cu ft is a new level for WP, did they make any f/l larger than 4.5 until this?
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Post# 1016152 , Reply# 4 11/28/2018 at 21:09 (1,968 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1016153 , Reply# 5 11/28/2018 at 21:18 (1,968 days old) by tomdawg (Des moines) | ||
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Matching Dryer The matching dryer is only 7.4 CU Ft... I'm disappointed.. I think the more room, the better. | ||
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Post# 1016185 , Reply# 6 11/29/2018 at 04:26 (1,968 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 1016186 , Reply# 7 11/29/2018 at 04:33 (1,968 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1016187 , Reply# 8 11/29/2018 at 04:36 (1,968 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 1016203 , Reply# 9 11/29/2018 at 08:43 (1,968 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1016211 , Reply# 10 11/29/2018 at 10:47 (1,968 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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'lower spin speed = fabric care'
who, how, why?.... more like, WTH?.....when has higher spin speeds caused excessive fabric wear?.... today, most everyone uses a dryer, to me, the higher the spin speed, the less drying required....even is clothing were to wrinkle, a few minutes in the dryer will take care of that... I select the highest spin speed on all of my machines....never had a need to spin slower... this sort of goes back to the 'Duet Sport'....defaulting to slower spins speeds for less vibration.... | ||
| Post# 1016221 , Reply# 11 11/29/2018 at 11:52 (1,968 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK) | ||
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| Post# 1016233 , Reply# 12 11/29/2018 at 14:39 (1,968 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Post# 1016250 , Reply# 13 11/29/2018 at 18:44 (1,967 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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IIRC 1200rpms
Seems to be the sweet spot for most new model front loaders now a days.
Studies have long proven while there is great benefit going from 900rpms to 1200rpms in terms of residual moisture after extraction; there is a sliding scale to where things pretty much drop off a cliff after say 1400rpms. There was a time when everyone (at least in Europe) seemed to be offering 1600rpm or even 1800rpm final spin speeds. Besides no real great improvement in terms of extraction over 1200 or 1400, it does create wear and tear on the washer if done often enough. More so if loads tend to run unbalanced. Miele washers and dryers of late vintage have a chart giving residual moisture levels at various final spin speeds, there you can see there isn't that much of a difference in terms of results. Suppose for those using condenser or heat pump dryers doing a heavy load of towels or other thick and absorbent textile at 1800rpms *might* prove useful. But for a standard gas or full powered electric dryer not so much. | ||
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Post# 1016288 , Reply# 16 11/30/2018 at 04:27 (1,967 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 1016290 , Reply# 17 11/30/2018 at 05:13 (1,967 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1016311 , Reply# 19 11/30/2018 at 10:52 (1,967 days old) by Johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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There’s something definitely odd about my Maxima washer at 1400rpm. On certain larger or heavy loads at 1400, it will sometimes hit a resonant frequency line where it’ll start vibrating all over and abort the spin.
Been doing this ever since almost 2yrs ago when there was an incident with a load of jeans. Medium spin (approx 1000 rpm) no issues. So 1200 is likely a good compromise for extracting and integrity. | ||
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Post# 1016326 , Reply# 20 11/30/2018 at 13:26 (1,967 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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my second question with these higher spin speeds offered on any given machine....
is time frame....how long once it reaches top speed does it stay there for? most final spins are 6 to 10 minutes, give or take.... I have seen ones climb to top speed and stay there for the entire spin time frame....and others hover around 700rmp or so, zip up to high speed for the last minute or two, and that's it... you will boggle a salesman mind by asking that question.... | ||
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Post# 1016333 , Reply# 21 11/30/2018 at 14:15 (1,967 days old) by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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Hey Yogi, On my 1800rpm Miele, it seems to run at 1200rpm for 5 minutes and then ramps up to max speed for the last 2-3 minutes. The Miele’s have this as the default behavior on the 1400, 1600 and 1800 rpm machines that I’ve used. Cheers Nathan | ||
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Post# 1016466 , Reply# 23 12/1/2018 at 16:50 (1,965 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 1016627 , Reply# 24 12/3/2018 at 06:15 (1,964 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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My 2005 | ||
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Post# 1016648 , Reply# 25 12/3/2018 at 09:00 (1,964 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1016731 , Reply# 27 12/3/2018 at 21:13 (1,963 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1016761 , Reply# 28 12/4/2018 at 08:00 (1,963 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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I think it's the recirc Whirlpool uses a similar shape of nozzle on their EU machines with recirculation, if it would be fill it probably wouldn't sit dead top center. | ||
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Post# 1016863 , Reply# 29 12/5/2018 at 01:29 (1,962 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Nothing about recirculation here. At least the pump filter is accessible again.
video.whirlpoolcorpsalesacademy.... | ||
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Post# 1017180 , Reply# 30 12/7/2018 at 09:02 (1,960 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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Post# 1017181 , Reply# 31 12/7/2018 at 09:45 (1,960 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1017209 , Reply# 32 12/7/2018 at 13:42 (1,960 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Quicker wetting of bigger loads or bigger items, better washing and rinsing results at same or lower usage. | ||
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Post# 1017211 , Reply# 33 12/7/2018 at 13:46 (1,960 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1017263 , Reply# 34 12/7/2018 at 18:53 (1,959 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI) |
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Recirculation | ||
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Post# 1017301 , Reply# 35 12/8/2018 at 05:54 (1,959 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Let's go to the video tape
Older AEG Lavamat without recirculation:
Newer (88840) with recirculation: Notice how much faster initially wash load is saturated using the recirculation than without. Also helps (IMHO)mix chemicals with water and get them distributed quickly as well. For the rinses you can see as well the "showering" from recirculation achieves good action despite machine using less water than preceding models. | ||
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Post# 1017858 , Reply# 36 12/13/2018 at 11:50 (1,954 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1017946 , Reply# 37 12/14/2018 at 02:00 (1,953 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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I think Louis is spot on. My old Miele also tumbles continuously while filling, saturating a huge load of terry cotton in less than 3 minutes.
Using paddles that act as ladles are petty much standard since late 1980s and it helps a lot in quick saturation when programming is right. Furthermore there is practically no chance of contamination with foul water. | ||
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Post# 1017952 , Reply# 38 12/14/2018 at 03:55 (1,953 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Miele's tumbling during fill
Must have come along after my W1070 because it decidedly does no such thing. Will pause and top off when senses water level has dropped however. Otherwise machine has a static fill and only begins tumbling once water level is satisfied.
On the final "starch" rinse if the half-load button is depressed filling stops at about five gallons. However until timer advances the washer just sits there doing nothing. Isn't a long period, about less than one half minute IIRC. | ||
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Post# 1017960 , Reply# 39 12/14/2018 at 07:03 (1,953 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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"Furthermore there is practically no chance of contamination with foul water." What does this mean, please?
Thank you. | ||
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Post# 1017965 , Reply# 40 12/14/2018 at 08:43 (1,953 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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| Post# 1018023 , Reply# 42 12/14/2018 at 17:02 (1,952 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania) | ||
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My 1986 Miele washer also tumbles through the entire fill. This is true for every rinse, but not during the fill for the wash. For the wash, it does an initial fill, tumbles a bit and then will pause to fill again. It might repeat this one or two more times until the required amount of water is taken. | ||
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Post# 1018061 , Reply# 43 12/14/2018 at 20:48 (1,952 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Post# 1018332 , Reply# 44 12/17/2018 at 18:51 (1,949 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Now on the WP web site | ||
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Post# 1018450 , Reply# 47 12/18/2018 at 18:03 (1,948 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1018492 , Reply# 48 12/19/2018 at 10:23 (1,948 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 1018508 , Reply# 49 12/19/2018 at 13:57 (1,948 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA) | ||
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Post# 1018524 , Reply# 50 12/19/2018 at 17:03 (1,947 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Jim, I have no idea how these will execute heat/steam functions. On my 2011 Duet, the heater is automatically energized once fill has been satisfied and user has selected warm, hot or Sanitize temps for Bulky Items, Whites, Heavy Duty, Allergen, Sheets/Linens, and Kids Wear cycles. And each of these cycles will also adjust wash/heating time based upon soil and load size/weight. On Normal/Casual, the only way I will get heated water is if I select the Steam for Stains option. And because it's the Energy Star cycle, it will heat hot water at about 120 degrees at the most, warm is also dumbed down even with steam. Otherwise when steam for stains is selected, the sequence is as follows. Machine washes/heats laundry for a certain amount of time, varies. Then it drains, does a slow balance spin, and then adds a bit of water. the load begins tumbling back & forth again and the heater is engaged again to generate steam. And that steam rises up from the bottom of the tub and can be anywhere from 15 to 22 minutes. then cools the load down, drains, and begins spin and rinse sequences. I find it to be extremely effective dealing with very heavily soiled fabrics with food stains (napkins, kitchen cleaning cloths, ..) I have no complaints at all. It does what it was designed to do very well.
I personally am of the opinion steam was a "feature" created to be more efficient in reaching much higher water/tub temperatures vs. heating larger amounts of water during the wash. | ||
| Post# 1018562 , Reply# 51 12/19/2018 at 21:33 (1,947 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA) | ||
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Bob, thanks for the detail on the steam operation, I had no idea how it worked.
On my old school Neptune there is just a toggle button for the heater (on or off.) When on it will maintain cold at 65, warm at 105 and hot at 130 regardless of cycle or any other options.
The energy star testing of the "normal" cycle has made things confusing for sure. | ||
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Post# 1018575 , Reply# 52 12/19/2018 at 23:53 (1,947 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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energy star testing of the "normal" cycle has made t
Jim, let me throw and wrinkle and a monkey wrench in this whole thought process. Whirlpool and brandmate Maytag on their dryers that are Energy Star rated, the "Normal" cycle defaults to an eco option cycle with dry temperature reduced and add MANY minutes to the cycle, but is purported to offer significant energy savings. The user can cancel that eco option for the Normal cycle to operate as one would expect. I noticed on the new Maytag TOL MED8630 dryer, it has a "Regular" cycle as well as a "Normal" cycle. The "Normal" cycle is the energy star rated cycle with lowered temperature and Regular dries at regular heat level.
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| Post# 1020033 , Reply# 53 1/3/2019 at 21:14 (1,932 days old) by tomdawg (Des moines) | ||
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I saw a new whirlpool and maytag in person I saw the new whirlpool and maytag front load line up. very similar to the inside of the last generation, few tweaks. not much has changed other than the outer appreance. | ||
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Post# 1020150 , Reply# 54 1/4/2019 at 23:02 (1,931 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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I saw a couple machines on display at Lowe’s. I only had a couple minutes to look, but the weirdest thing is the interior door glass. It’s completely scooped out, I suppose to give the interior more volume. This model (WFW5600HW), without an outer door window cover, just looks odd.
The paddles are different than the previous version, and the dispenser drawer doesn’t empty into the inner tub. I saw the little reconciliation sprayer practically hidden at the top of the door boot. The back of the drum has a different pattern of holes. It really seems to bulge into the tub in the middle. Not sure if it is more so than the last version, but looks like an oversized fruit juicer. I’ll try to get more pics soon.
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Post# 1020152 , Reply# 55 1/5/2019 at 00:21 (1,931 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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Don't like the "Pull here" drawer at the base of the machine----OH MY ACHING BACK"What a POOR design.They forget some folks have back problems.This is not practical.CHANGE IT!!!!!for you at WP.Otherwise could be a nice machine. | ||
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Post# 1020156 , Reply# 56 1/5/2019 at 00:50 (1,931 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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 Ditto that Rex. Our electronic med dispensing machines have drawers all the way down on the floor too and I hate having to bend all the way down to pull out a pill or two. It's a long way down there for me. I'm only 6ft, but I'm all legs, so it's a long reach for someone who has never ever been able to touch my toes! | ||
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Post# 1020168 , Reply# 57 1/5/2019 at 06:09 (1,931 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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Same for me--its getting HARDER to reach down there!!!The drawer should be placed at the TOP of the machine-and these FL washers need to be made into TALLER cabinets to get the load opening further from the floor.That washer was designed by and for lepricons! | ||
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Post# 1020171 , Reply# 58 1/5/2019 at 07:27 (1,931 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1020189 , Reply# 59 1/5/2019 at 10:37 (1,931 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
kind of resemble this model but under the canadien name inglis
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| Post# 1020190 , Reply# 60 1/5/2019 at 10:40 (1,931 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Oh my Gd | ||
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Post# 1020197 , Reply# 61 1/5/2019 at 11:45 (1,931 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI) |
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Post# 1020206 , Reply# 62 1/5/2019 at 13:39 (1,931 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1020545 , Reply# 63 1/8/2019 at 11:11 (1,928 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA) | ||
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Funny Press Release I guess just being told to do it isn't good enough anymore!
whirlpoolcorp.com/laundry-in-few...
Coming in 2019, Smart Laundry Capabilities with the Whirlpool® app: When enjoying time with family, control the Whirlpool® Smart Front Load Laundry Pair through a smartphone with the enhanced connection features from the Whirlpool app. Connected capabilities include:
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Post# 1020740 , Reply# 64 1/10/2019 at 15:47 (1,925 days old) by Eronie (Flushing Michigan) |
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Omg does anyone really need this? | ||
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Post# 1020745 , Reply# 65 1/10/2019 at 17:00 (1,925 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Connected family Isn't the stereotype that my generation and younger spend all the time on their smartphones and that that is oh so horrible? That makes use of that. Leaving a note has no read-confirmation, does it? | ||
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Post# 1021048 , Reply# 66 1/13/2019 at 16:18 (1,922 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI) |
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Very disappointing!
A pair of the new 2019 Whirlpool's were on display at Lowe's. I am disgusted at their build quality. The window of both the washer and dryer are PLASTIC!! The inner latch feels really cheap and like it's going to break right away. The door along the bottom of the washer where the load and go and pump cleanout is is also made of flimsy plastic. These are super cheaply-built, throw away appliances that are NOT built to last more than a few years.
Super disappointing this is the quality an American company puts out. I'd love to "buy American" but these are absolute junk. | ||
| Post# 1021063 , Reply# 67 1/13/2019 at 18:20 (1,922 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA) | ||
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Opposition to Plastic My personal opposition to plastic has softened over the years.
When I took my 2010 Whirlpool dishwasher out of its box I was kind of appalled. Not only about how light it was, but that it seemed the only metal part was the spray arm on the bottom of the tub (because that was a part the end-users would see!)
I'm exaggerating of course, but my point is that it's been a reliable machine despite being a featherweight and mostly plastic. | ||
| Post# 1021104 , Reply# 68 1/14/2019 at 00:58 (1,922 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1021113 , Reply# 69 1/14/2019 at 06:33 (1,922 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI) |
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Plastic Dryer Window | ||
| Post# 1021138 , Reply# 70 1/14/2019 at 10:11 (1,922 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Greg, David; David, My 2010 Maytag Bravos 7.4 cu. ft. dryer has a plastic window. It's fine. Greg, would those medical dispensing machines be Omni Cell, Pyxis, or Wavemark? | ||
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Post# 1021218 , Reply# 71 1/14/2019 at 22:23 (1,921 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI) |
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Thanks Mike... | ||
| Post# 1022638 , Reply# 72 1/27/2019 at 05:57 (1,909 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I wonder | ||
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Post# 1022649 , Reply# 73 1/27/2019 at 09:17 (1,909 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Who knows if this is the actual spray or not... but you can see some drizzle action in this video.
video.whirlpoolcorpsalesacademy.... | ||
| Post# 1023152 , Reply# 74 1/31/2019 at 10:04 (1,905 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I like the look of
the maytags so much better. But unfortunately, I guess they decided to put a coin trap on the WP but not the Maytags??
CLICK HERE TO GO TO mark_wpduet's LINK | ||
| Post# 1023173 , Reply# 75 1/31/2019 at 13:00 (1,905 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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my toughs | ||
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Post# 1023204 , Reply# 76 1/31/2019 at 17:35 (1,904 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1023225 , Reply# 77 1/31/2019 at 20:18 (1,904 days old) by Whitetub (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Here’s the Amana version, at my local Rona store ( Lowe’s Canada). Not a fan of the oversized round doors. Sideways, they look like giant toilet seats. | ||
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Post# 1023256 , Reply# 78 2/1/2019 at 05:53 (1,904 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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