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Post# 1020365   1/6/2019 at 18:00 by Bmoze (Boise)        

Our 10 year old Kenmore agitator washer recently died so we went shopping for a new washing machine. I was initially interested in an LG, due to their positive reviews, but learned about Speed Queens at a local dealer. So I researched Speed Queens and became aware of the controversy regarding their 2018 washers: that theyíre poorly rated by CR and CNET and web reviewers such as Lorrain Appliance. I understood that the revised agitation system was the primary concern. I also read reviews by owners of Speed Queens and most of them seem to really like the machines, even the 2018s. I also read that some people think that negative reviews are being omitted from Speed Queenís website.

I was intrigued by these issues and the huge difference in opinions about the 2018 models, so I asked our local dealer if I could try one first, because I wouldnít otherwise buy one given the washerís multiple bad reviews. He said we could try one for 30 days and return it if not satisfied.

Weíve done about 10 loads so far in the TR7. My wife and I like the machine a lot. Our household is just the two of us and weíre not hard on clothes. We camp and hike and work in the yard, but our cleaning rags are probably the dirtiest things we wash. All of the clothes weíve washed have come out great - clean and well-spun, with few wrinkles out of the washer. The TR7 probably does a somewhat better job overall than our prior Kenmore. It also cost much more, but we like the warranty and the machineís solidity. It seems like it has a chance of lasting longer than an LG or similar modern machine.

We also like that the TR7 seems to be very gentle on our clothing, much more so than the Kenmore agitator washer. Of course, thatís not a great trade off if your clothes donít get clean, but if they do get clean, a gentle washer is a nice thing.

We did wash some cleaning rags and Iíll post some okay-but-not-great comparison photos. The rags got at least as clean as they did in the Kenmore, maybe more clean, itís hard to say. The wash setting for the rags was super-soiled (hot water wash/soak/extra rinse) and the wash time was 80 minutes. All of other loads have been on heavy/duty, permanent press, or delicate with wash times of 30-40 minutes.

I hope nobody takes this the wrong way. Iím not interested in promoting Speed Queen. I became aware of this issue because I was in the market for a new machine. I wanted to check the Speed Queen out for myself and our local dealer obliged. Iím glad he did because we plan to keep the machine unless its performance changes before the month is out.

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Post# 1020370 , Reply# 1   1/6/2019 at 18:16 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Good to hear reports of all types on these.

Post# 1020374 , Reply# 2   1/6/2019 at 18:38 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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if this works out for you, and fits your needs....who can argue that, all the better....congrats!

the agitation has me a bit iffy.....but can't deny so far it does work

and the rinsing and extraction are more effective than past models....

I like too that your dealer offered you a 30 day trial.....a chance to see if you like it or not.....can't go wrong with that...

Post# 1020387 , Reply# 3   1/6/2019 at 20:35 by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        

The 2018 is not the worst washer ever. I took issue with the fact that they said it was better than the previous version. For someone who doesnít wash heavily soiled clothes and prefers a gentle wash, the speed queen washer would be something to consider.

There are so many other washers that are just better in almost every conceivable way with the exception of build quality.

Post# 1020398 , Reply# 4   1/6/2019 at 21:40 by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

I agree with "Yogitunes", that was a sweet offer to let you try it out first, to be fair esp. with many negative reviews. I can't argue with the results in the above photo, it looks well washed and rinsed. Hope this washer is all that you want it to be, and many, many years of good performance.

Good job.


Post# 1020413 , Reply# 5   1/7/2019 at 06:16 by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
Except for the expense...

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For the cost of the Speed Queen you could probably buy 3 Amana models that wash just as well.  SQ just seems grossly overpriced.

Post# 1020450 , Reply# 6   1/7/2019 at 15:12 by Bmoze (Boise)        

Lorrainfurniture - Just wanted to thank you for your excellent washer reviews. Theyíre very informative and helpful. Almost went with the Maytag Commercial, based on your review, but wanted more flexibility with water level/load levels.

Post# 1020463 , Reply# 7   1/7/2019 at 17:11 by dylanmitchell (San Diego, CA)        

Are there any mechanical or software hacks for the TR7 and other 2018 or 2019 models that will make them perform better? SQ made significant changes but wondering if there are ways to give these full fill loads and other non-energy efficient mods that clean better.
Washing machines use pretty simple tech I'm surprised I haven't heard of folks hacking machines with laptops or Raspberry Pi's. There are some mechanical controls you'd have to figure out how to interface with and actuate but you'd think a hacked machine would be a fun project.

Post# 1020464 , Reply# 8   1/7/2019 at 17:23 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I am sure you can hook it up to a computer and run any program you want.....anything is possible....

Post# 1020961 , Reply# 9   1/12/2019 at 17:46 by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
Itís not that simple

Mechanically you have to retrofit. Itís not like any whirlpool agitator will fit on a speed queen. All appliance parts are pretty specific

Manufactures intentionally make it nearly impossible to alter the programming. There are specific plugs and the coding is unique. Itís not like the board has a usb plug.

Iím not saying itís impossible, but it will take a significant amount of skill to hack a mcu

Post# 1020973 , Reply# 10   1/12/2019 at 19:06 by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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Sometimes it's near impossible, other times not...

Many times boards are produced in huge batches, and the manufacturer actually does provision for programming them after the fact. They do this so that they can make fixes and improvements throughout production, without having to create new hardware parts each time the software changes. This of course would be obfuscated and not known to the user or even service personnel, instead being programmed (or re-programmed) at the factory.

But even if the boards WERE locked down with a permanent software load, that doesn't mean your abilities to change the machine behavior are eliminated. I say this because the software in those microcontrollers still relies on external sensors and communication with the outside world to function. So with clever manipulation of the sensor inputs, you can effect huge changes in the result, without actually changing any software. Perhaps the best example of this are the "piggyback ECUs" available for fuel-injected cars.

For example, if a new module was added which intercepted the signal between the fill level sensor and the control board, and also the output signal to the fill valves, you could add a "pre-soak" function to your washer simply by telling the original controller that the tub wasn't full yet when it actually was, and shutting off the fill valves to prevent the machine from overflowing. As far as the main controller knows, you simply have low water pressure and it is taking a long time to fill, so it proceeds on until your "pre-soak" modifier decides it has soaked long enough and finally tells the controller that the tub is full.

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