Thread Number: 78150
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Lady Kenmore Agitator hunt |
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Post# 1021737 , Reply# 1   1/19/2019 at 19:53 (1,916 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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70rule here is a website wit the parts for your mom washer good luck finding the right part
www.easyapplianceparts.ca... |
Post# 1021822 , Reply# 2   1/20/2019 at 09:47 (1,915 days old) by 70srule (Plano)   |   | |
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I did check that site and my search comes back as "no longer available" since the mfg is no longer making it. I will call them to see if they can help either way. Thanks for the lead. |
Post# 1021834 , Reply# 3   1/20/2019 at 12:15 (1,915 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 1021849 , Reply# 4   1/20/2019 at 14:13 (1,915 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1021851 , Reply# 5   1/20/2019 at 14:15 (1,915 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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almost a shame.....parts you would probably need from an almost similar scrap machine....and too far away...located in Jersey
CLICK HERE TO GO TO Yogitunes's LINK on Southjersey Craigslist
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Post# 1021867 , Reply# 6   1/20/2019 at 16:56 (1,915 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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@70srule did you check to see if with your mom washer model it was possible to change the agitator for a rotoswirl would also give your mom to use a fabric sofner dispenser on top the agitator like this roto swirl or something like pic number2 or you could always look on craiglist in your mom area to see if you can find a similar model and just take the part you need?
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Post# 1021869 , Reply# 7   1/20/2019 at 17:07 (1,915 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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wait....what was the year did they start using a short post in all machines, I thought it was around 1976....
otherwise, be careful on capacities and sizes of agitators..... since there is already a PentaSwirl in there, a PentaVane or Dual Action would definitely fit.... if its not a short post, finding a large capacity any other type agitator would be rare... as mentioned the old agitator needs to come out so we see what were working with... |
Post# 1021875 , Reply# 8   1/20/2019 at 17:36 (1,915 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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this is a Whirlpool Double Duty Surgilator…..with dispenser
which would work as well...… you could also ask this guy a question....he may have exactly what your looking for in his back stock...can't hurt CLICK HERE TO GO TO Yogitunes's LINK on eBay
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Post# 1021879 , Reply# 9   1/20/2019 at 18:28 (1,915 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Just my opinion but I would be willing to bet there is nothing wrong with the agitator itself. I would think at the machine’s age that the issue is probably inside the gear case itself. I’m sure the oil is gunned up and it’s very possible the agitate gear spring is broken not allowing the gear to engage the agitator. When the machine fills and starts to agitate if it is knocking and the agitator acts like it wants to start but doesn’t then the issue is in the gear case.
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Post# 1021882 , Reply# 10   1/20/2019 at 18:32 (1,915 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1021968 , Reply# 12   1/21/2019 at 19:09 (1,914 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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... loose and worn out on the bottom, he said.That diagnosis is vague. The agitator is driven at the top and is one piece so there's nothing specific at "the bottom" of it to become loose and worn .... unless he means a problem in the transmission, as RepairGuy mentions above. The transmission should be in neutral (gears not engaged) at the end of a complete cycle (after a spin) and the agitator should free-spin by hand. Start the machine running in agitate, then turn it off. The agitator should be locked (transmission in gear) against turning it by hand. If it turns (without much effort), then either 1) The agitator is worn at the *top* where it engages the splines on the drive shaft. 2) The drive shaft splines are rusted/worn down. 3) There's a problem inside the transmission. If 1) then replacing the agitator may fix the problem (barring any trouble with the hold-down bolt). If 2) or 3) then replacing the agitator won't fix the problem. NOTE: Could also be a bad wig-wag (shift coil assembly) which engages to shift the transmission in/out of agitation. ETA: Ooops ... transmission shifting into agitation also controls whether the pump drains (no drain during agitate), so a bad wig-wag would cause the water to drain each time the machine tries engage agitation and then a refill would occur. There's no mention of that being that case. This post was last edited 01/21/2019 at 20:40 |
Post# 1021976 , Reply# 14   1/21/2019 at 19:47 (1,914 days old) by 70srule (Plano)   |   | |
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I have copied your comments and will email them to one of the techs that is waiting for me to find the part. That screw needs to come off, but he'll need another trip to the house with this additional info. |
Post# 1021980 , Reply# 15   1/21/2019 at 20:17 (1,914 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 1022178 , Reply# 16   1/23/2019 at 15:15 (1,912 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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70srule try contacting this store its a Canadian place but ask them if you can send them via email pic of your mom Kenmore washer and the needed part they are also specialist when it comes to repairing older washers so they might have the part you need or give you the info that you can send to your mom tech or ship you the part or parts you need but here the link they even have a contact form if you need some info or need answers
www.couture-electro.com/... |
Post# 1022209 , Reply# 17   1/23/2019 at 19:16 (1,912 days old) by 70srule (Plano)   |   | |
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I'll give Couture a look. Thanks again |
Post# 1022218 , Reply# 18   1/23/2019 at 20:02 (1,912 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 1022241 , Reply# 19   1/23/2019 at 22:16 (1,912 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)   |   | |
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Post# 1022275 , Reply# 20   1/24/2019 at 09:09 (1,911 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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This is a very easy problem to diagnose, when the washer is full of water and trying to agitate is the agitator bolt moving back and forth ? If so the agitator is stripped loose from the agitator shaft and you need a new agitator.
There are many different agitators that will fit this washer. The problem is going to be getting the bolt out of the agitator shaft [ it may have to be broken off and then drilled out and the hole in the shaft re-tapped, and the AS may be rusted in the spline area and you will need to pull the transmission to replace the agitator shaft, now you are getting into a big job. John L. |
Post# 1023483 , Reply# 24   2/3/2019 at 11:48 (1,901 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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hello 70srule if you ever need to replace your mom washer here a link to a site that sell washers with the old fashion timer knob but its in Canada montreal region so you might have to negociate with the seller to have the washer ship to your mom its a whirlpool direct drive will also include pics as well as the link also including the link to the matching dryer if you went a match set for your mom
www.kijiji.ca/v-washer-dr... maybe you will see the same model in your mom local craiglist area but keeping my fingers cross that you can have your mom washer repaired CLICK HERE TO GO TO Pierreandreply4's LINK |
Post# 1023511 , Reply# 25   2/3/2019 at 16:52 (1,901 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi JR, As I mentioned before you can use almost any WP-KM Belt Drive washer agitator in your Moms machine, the best replacement is the WP Double-Duty Surglator, But really any agitator will work that is not Bakelite.
If the splined area of the agitator where the agitator attaches to the agitator shaft is very rusted a new agitator may not last long, you may have to replace the transmission or at least the agitator shaft for a lasting repair, and on a washer of this age a complete rebuild is likley in order.
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Post# 1023805 , Reply# 27   2/6/2019 at 18:12 (1,898 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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your welcome 70srule just so you know the washer in the pic is simple my grandmother had that machine till 2014 when she caught an illness that made her move to a nursing home and sold her house its always good to have a plan b like I said feel free to contact the seller in the link I posted cost nothing to try
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Post# 1023810 , Reply# 28   2/6/2019 at 19:14 (1,898 days old) by bendixmark (Winchester Mass)   |   | |
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I have that agitator. |
Post# 1023811 , Reply# 29   2/6/2019 at 19:32 (1,898 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 1023913 , Reply# 31   2/7/2019 at 18:08 (1,897 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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maybe you should look for a replacement washer on your mom local craigslist area for a whirlpool like the one I showed you or if you find time to visit your mom take her shopping to a used appliance store here is a link on your mom craiglist area washer is a whirlpool but dryer is a Kenmore
elpaso.craigslist.org/app/d/el-p... |
Post# 1023920 , Reply# 33   2/7/2019 at 19:13 (1,897 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Drive spline, not spleen ... the splined/grooved end of the agitator drive shaft that comes up into the tub from the transmission. The top of the agitator is splined/grooved inside to match the shaft. Bad/worn/rusted-out splines on the drive shaft requires replacement of the drive shaft, which is a remove-and-open-the-transmission kind of job. The agitator bearing in your picture is a guide ring that helps center the agitator against the neck of the basket and isn't crucial to operation, as Combo52 advised. It has nothing to do with dogs ... there are no dogs on this style of agitator. Picture 1 is a splined drive shaft. Picture 2 is an example of a bearing inside a Whirlpool agitator version (turned mostly upside down in Pic 3) that would work on your machine. |
Post# 1023921 , Reply# 34   2/7/2019 at 19:35 (1,897 days old) by 70srule (Plano)   |   | |
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Thanks again for the clarification & Pics. I will look for another replacement other than the original unless bendixmark or Gordon comes thru. |
Post# 1023938 , Reply# 35   2/7/2019 at 22:51 (1,897 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Your mom’s washer is a 1974 or 1975 model. This model came out in 1974 and was also sold for 1975. In 1976 a different control style was introduced and no more push button Lady Kenmores were made. The serial number on her dryer is 1974. The serial tag for the washer is behind the machine on the left side towards the top. Knowing the serial would tell whether it’s ‘74 or ‘75. I have the exact same set in harvest gold and mine were both manufactured in 1975.
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Post# 1024033 , Reply# 36   2/8/2019 at 20:40 (1,896 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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hello 70srules here is a link to ebay in case you went to check if the part you need is available for your mom washer and dryer
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.htmlQUESTIONM... |
Post# 1026346 , Reply# 38   3/5/2019 at 18:18 (1,871 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1026364 , Reply# 39   3/5/2019 at 21:49 (1,871 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1026370 , Reply# 40   3/5/2019 at 23:10 (1,871 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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The agitator shaft is toast. Trying to clean it up would just remove more of what is already gone. Best bet would probably be to find a good used replacement gearcase but they are getting more extinct by the day. Trying to find someone to do the job is also difficult because even the ones that knew how to do the job usually don’t want to anymore. To do the job correctly for the long run will more than likely also require the replacement of the basket drive and center post bearings and seals. The good news is, with a mechanical inclination and a want to keep the old gal going, the information is here to do the job via literature and the brains of many here who love old appliances.
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Post# 1026567 , Reply# 42   3/8/2019 at 08:36 (1,868 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1026817 , Reply# 43   3/11/2019 at 07:20 (1,865 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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just wondering can you afford shiping if i gave you a link that sell direct drive washers that you could buy online to have sent to your mom? just incase here a link if you went to check cost nothing to look as they say
CLICK HERE TO GO TO pierreandreply4's LINK |
Post# 1027066 , Reply# 44   3/14/2019 at 15:18 (1,862 days old) by 70srule (Plano)   |   | |
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Thanks Pierre, but she won't let me replace her washer at this time. With the shaft messed up, I guess it is a lost cause. |
Post# 1027070 , Reply# 45   3/14/2019 at 16:34 (1,862 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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That is a nice old lady kenmore. If for whatever reason you decide to get rid of it let folks here have a chance at it before it goes to the dump. I would like to fix it for you but you would have to figure out how to get it here. It could still be a great machine again but you would probably be looking at a big expense between parts, labor, and getting the machine here.
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Post# 1027074 , Reply# 46   3/14/2019 at 17:30 (1,862 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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not too long ago, wasn't Kenmoreguy64/Gordon purging a lot of his excess inventory of machines?...
there could be a whole replacement or donor machine to swap the insides with..... depends on shipping cost, but worth a shot..... CLICK HERE TO GO TO Yogitunes's LINK |
Post# 1029755 , Reply# 49   4/13/2019 at 12:50 (1,832 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1029767 , Reply# 50   4/13/2019 at 14:36 (1,832 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Post# 1029790 , Reply# 52   4/13/2019 at 20:16 (1,832 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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The quick way to fix this washer for a while is to do what Martin suggested, get another agitator that at least fits some what on the old rusted shaft, then with the agitator in place drill a 1/4" hole through the agitator and shaft and put a strong bolt through it, then drill a 2nd hole 3/4" above the other 180 degrees from the other and put a 2nd bolt through.
I have seen this done and if you do a good job it might last a good while.
Other than this you have to pull the transmission as Eugene suggested and replace the shaft, there is no need to try to rebuild the old shaft however, new shafts are all over Ebay for as little as $20
John |