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Post# 1021727   1/19/2019 at 17:52 (217 days old) by 70srule (Plano)        

My inquiry is regarding my search for an agitator my Mom's Lady Kenmore in El Paso, TX. Her drier also needs a knob.

I am in the Dallas area and realize this may be a needle-in-a-haystack situation but my Mom is really attached to her machines and I do want to give it a good try to get her washer working properly again.

I listed the equipment info below and I am attaching some pictures as well. I hope you can open them. She did find the agitator bolt locally.

The tech that went to the house to check it out said the bolt used on the agitator by some other repair guy is the wrong part and they inserted it wrong and crossed-threaded it. So it is difficult to remove. The agitator may need to be cut out! It seems to be loose and worn out on the bottom, he said. So it is not agitating the clothes at all.

Washer model: 110.72490420
Agitator part: 369645 (prob replaced by part # 285066)

Drier Model: 110.77490400 which needs the knob, part 349281, on the attached picture.

I would appreciate your assistance or any lead to a salvage dealer.

Thank you,

Joe Dozal
469-235-1657


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Post# 1021737 , Reply# 1   1/19/2019 at 19:53 (217 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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70rule here is a website wit the parts for your mom washer good luck finding the right part

www.easyapplianceparts.ca...


Post# 1021822 , Reply# 2   1/20/2019 at 09:47 (216 days old) by 70srule (Plano)        
Pierreandreply4 - Thanks

I did check that site and my search comes back as "no longer available" since the mfg is no longer making it. I will call them to see if they can help either way. Thanks for the lead.

Post# 1021834 , Reply# 3   1/20/2019 at 12:15 (216 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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your welcome hope you will be able to save your mom machine

Post# 1021849 , Reply# 4   1/20/2019 at 14:13 (216 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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The washer of question is a 1974 model, essentially 45 years old.† New-stock parts production surely ceased some years ago.† Your search will find only used agitators of that design, or old-stock if someone, somewhere has one.


Post# 1021851 , Reply# 5   1/20/2019 at 14:15 (216 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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almost a shame.....parts you would probably need from an almost similar scrap machine....and too far away...located in Jersey

CLICK HERE TO GO TO Yogitunes's LINK on Southjersey Craigslist


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Post# 1021867 , Reply# 6   1/20/2019 at 16:56 (216 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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@70srule did you check to see if with your mom washer model it was possible to change the agitator for a rotoswirl would also give your mom to use a fabric sofner dispenser on top the agitator like this roto swirl or something like pic number2 or you could always look on craiglist in your mom area to see if you can find a similar model and just take the part you need?

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Post# 1021869 , Reply# 7   1/20/2019 at 17:07 (216 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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wait....what was the year did they start using a short post in all machines, I thought it was around 1976....

otherwise, be careful on capacities and sizes of agitators.....


since there is already a PentaSwirl in there, a PentaVane or Dual Action would definitely fit....


if its not a short post, finding a large capacity any other type agitator would be rare...

as mentioned the old agitator needs to come out so we see what were working with...


Post# 1021875 , Reply# 8   1/20/2019 at 17:36 (216 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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this is a Whirlpool Double Duty SurgilatorÖ..with dispenser


which would work as well...Ö

you could also ask this guy a question....he may have exactly what your looking for in his back stock...can't hurt


CLICK HERE TO GO TO Yogitunes's LINK on eBay


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Post# 1021879 , Reply# 9   1/20/2019 at 18:28 (216 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

Just my opinion but I would be willing to bet there is nothing wrong with the agitator itself. I would think at the machineís age that the issue is probably inside the gear case itself. Iím sure the oil is gunned up and itís very possible the agitate gear spring is broken not allowing the gear to engage the agitator. When the machine fills and starts to agitate if it is knocking and the agitator acts like it wants to start but doesnít then the issue is in the gear case.

Post# 1021882 , Reply# 10   1/20/2019 at 18:32 (216 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

Also that agitator bolt looks to be the correct one. Itís missing the seal and the bolt is probably frozen inside the gear case shaft.

Post# 1021964 , Reply# 11   1/21/2019 at 18:40 (215 days old) by 70srule (Plano)        
Thanks Y'all

I have ping'd the Craigslist seller as well as the eBay seller and keeping my fingers crossed. I really appreciate the feedback above and the leads. When I was visiting I noticed that the agitator was loose. Not free spinning, but not tight either. I am not willing to have it cut out either. Someone just needs to take the time to properly remove that bolt then inspect the agitator and shaft to confirm the diagnosis of two techs that have gone to the house.

Post# 1021968 , Reply# 12   1/21/2019 at 19:09 (215 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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... loose and worn out on the bottom, he said.
That diagnosis is vague.† The agitator is driven at the top and is one piece so there's nothing specific at "the bottom" of it to become loose and worn .... unless he means a problem in the transmission, as RepairGuy mentions above.

The transmission should be in neutral (gears not engaged) at the end of a complete cycle (after a spin) and the agitator should free-spin by hand.

Start the machine running in agitate, then turn it off.† The agitator should be locked (transmission in gear) against turning it by hand.† If it turns (without much effort), then either
1) The agitator is worn at the *top* where it engages the splines on the drive shaft.
2) The drive shaft splines are rusted/worn down.
3) There's a problem inside the transmission.

If 1) then replacing the agitator may fix the problem (barring any trouble with the hold-down bolt).

If 2) or 3) then replacing the agitator won't fix the problem.

NOTE:† Could also be a bad wig-wag (shift coil assembly) which engages to shift the transmission in/out of agitation.

ETA:† Ooops ... transmission shifting into agitation also controls whether the pump drains (no drain during agitate), so a bad wig-wag would cause the water to drain each time the machine tries engage agitation and then a refill would occur.† There's no mention of that being that case.




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Post# 1021975 , Reply# 13   1/21/2019 at 19:43 (215 days old) by 70srule (Plano)        
Thanks Y'all

I have ping'd the Craigslist seller as well as the eBay seller and keeping my fingers crossed. I really appreciate the feedback above and the leads. When I was visiting I noticed that the agitator was loose. Not free spinning, but not tight either. I am not willing to have it cut out either. Someone just needs to take the time to properly remove that bolt then inspect the agitator and shaft to confirm the diagnosis of two techs that have gone to the house.

Post# 1021976 , Reply# 14   1/21/2019 at 19:47 (215 days old) by 70srule (Plano)        
Thanks DadoES

I have copied your comments and will email them to one of the techs that is waiting for me to find the part. That screw needs to come off, but he'll need another trip to the house with this additional info.

Post# 1021980 , Reply# 15   1/21/2019 at 20:17 (215 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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70srules you can also ask the tech to check the agitator center post to see if its rusted or need to be replace or simply cleanup

Post# 1022178 , Reply# 16   1/23/2019 at 15:15 (213 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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70srule try contacting this store its a Canadian place but ask them if you can send them via email pic of your mom Kenmore washer and the needed part they are also specialist when it comes to repairing older washers so they might have the part you need or give you the info that you can send to your mom tech or ship you the part or parts you need but here the link they even have a contact form if you need some info or need answers

www.couture-electro.com/...


Post# 1022209 , Reply# 17   1/23/2019 at 19:16 (213 days old) by 70srule (Plano)        
Thanks again Pierre

I'll give Couture a look. Thanks again

Post# 1022218 , Reply# 18   1/23/2019 at 20:02 (213 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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your welcome they are specialist when it comes to older machines they might be able to help you

Post# 1022241 , Reply# 19   1/23/2019 at 22:16 (212 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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I have a used exact agitator if that helps, but I agree with Melvin/repair guy in all the comments he made above.

Gordon


Post# 1022275 , Reply# 20   1/24/2019 at 09:09 (212 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Non Agitating KM BD Washer

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This is a very easy problem to diagnose, when the washer is full of water and trying to agitate is the agitator bolt moving back and forth ? If so the agitator is stripped loose from the agitator shaft and you need a new agitator.

There are many different agitators that will fit this washer.

The problem is going to be getting the bolt out of the agitator shaft [ it may have to be broken off and then drilled out and the hole in the shaft re-tapped, and the AS may be rusted in the spline area and you will need to pull the transmission to replace the agitator shaft, now you are getting into a big job.

John L.


Post# 1022315 , Reply# 21   1/24/2019 at 17:18 (212 days old) by 70srule (Plano)        
Non Agitating KM BD Washer

Ok...I had my Sis turn on the washer and she confirmed that the bolt DOES turn back-n-forth but the Agitator does not. So I guess that is good news and we do need a replacement. Some guy that Mom called is going Sat to try to remove the bolt, but if the thread is bad in that shaft, he'll need a tap-n-die set to re-thread it. I doubt he will have that since he is a painter, not an appliance tech. I'll keep you posted, but I will probably need Gordon's agitator for sure. Thx y'all ....again.

Post# 1023315 , Reply# 22   2/1/2019 at 17:41 (204 days old) by 70srule (Plano)        
Lady Kenmore Agitator Issue

Gordon/KenmoreGuy64;

I sent you a separate email, but let me know how I can get that agitator you say you have that will match the one I need. I have another guy going to the house tomorrow to tackle that bolt.

Thanks again,

Joe


Post# 1023478 , Reply# 23   2/3/2019 at 10:56 (202 days old) by 70srule (Plano)        
Lady Kenmore Agitator Needed

Well,

Someone went to Mom's house and removed the screw and the old agitator. Looks like the inside part of the agitator that matches up with the shaft is stripped so I do need a replacement that is no longer manufactured. It is 17" tall. Hope I can still find one off this site.

Thank you


Post# 1023483 , Reply# 24   2/3/2019 at 11:48 (202 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
if you can not find the missing part

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hello 70srule if you ever need to replace your mom washer here a link to a site that sell washers with the old fashion timer knob but its in Canada montreal region so you might have to negociate with the seller to have the washer ship to your mom its a whirlpool direct drive will also include pics as well as the link also including the link to the matching dryer if you went a match set for your mom

www.kijiji.ca/v-washer-dr...

maybe you will see the same model in your mom local craiglist area but keeping my fingers cross that you can have your mom washer repaired






CLICK HERE TO GO TO Pierreandreply4's LINK


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Post# 1023511 , Reply# 25   2/3/2019 at 16:52 (202 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Agitator For A 1975 LKM Washer

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Hi JR, As I mentioned before you can use almost any WP-KM Belt Drive washer agitator in your Moms machine, the best replacement is the WP  Double-Duty Surglator,    But really any agitator will work that is not Bakelite.

 

If the splined area of the agitator where the agitator attaches to the agitator shaft is very rusted a new agitator may not last long, you may have to replace the transmission or at least the agitator shaft for a lasting repair, and on a washer of this age a complete rebuild is likley in order.

 

John L.


Post# 1023803 , Reply# 26   2/6/2019 at 18:06 (199 days old) by 70srule (Plano)        
Lady Kenmore Agitator Needed

Thank you Pierre and Combo52. I will look for the other model agitator as well.
Mom's did come out and my sister sent me a pic of the ring that attaches inside the agitator that holds the dog ears and which fell out when the agitator was taken out (see pix attached). She believes the part that the ring is attached to inside the agitator is also broken, so a new ring and ears may not work either. I am not sure of her diagnosis.


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Post# 1023805 , Reply# 27   2/6/2019 at 18:12 (199 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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your welcome 70srule just so you know the washer in the pic is simple my grandmother had that machine till 2014 when she caught an illness that made her move to a nursing home and sold her house its always good to have a plan b like I said feel free to contact the seller in the link I posted cost nothing to try

Post# 1023810 , Reply# 28   2/6/2019 at 19:14 (199 days old) by bendixmark (Winchester Mass)        
Agitator

I have that agitator.

Post# 1023811 , Reply# 29   2/6/2019 at 19:32 (199 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Loose Plastic Piece

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Is the agitator bearing, it is not that important, the agitator will work without it, assuming the drive spleen is not stripped out.

 

This agitator does not have agitator dogs.


Post# 1023909 , Reply# 30   2/7/2019 at 17:40 (198 days old) by 70srule (Plano)        
Lady Kenmore Agitator Needed

Thank you Pierre and Combo52. I will look for the other model agitator as well.
Mom's did come out and my sister sent me a pic of the ring that attaches inside the agitator that holds the dog ears and which fell out when the agitator was taken out (see pix attached). She believes the part that the ring is attached to inside the agitator is also broken, so a new ring and ears may not work either. I am not sure of her diagnosis.


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Post# 1023913 , Reply# 31   2/7/2019 at 18:08 (198 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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maybe you should look for a replacement washer on your mom local craigslist area for a whirlpool like the one I showed you or if you find time to visit your mom take her shopping to a used appliance store here is a link on your mom craiglist area washer is a whirlpool but dryer is a Kenmore


elpaso.craigslist.org/app/d/el-p...


Post# 1023915 , Reply# 32   2/7/2019 at 18:18 (198 days old) by 70srule (Plano)        
Lady Kenmore Agitator Needed

Sorry, but somehow my reply posted twice. FireFox issue.

I also found out the washer is not a 1974 but a 1986 model.
if that bearing is not what holds the dog-ears or the washer didn't even use the dog-ears, then I'm not sure why it is not turning with the shaft. So I have to assume that the drive spleen is stripped. But I am not sure what that is.

bendixmark....if you have the agitator, please let me know how I can get a hold of you to discuss further.

Thanks all.


Post# 1023920 , Reply# 33   2/7/2019 at 19:13 (198 days old) by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Drive spline, not spleen ... the splined/grooved end of the agitator drive shaft that comes up into the tub from the transmission.† The top of the agitator is splined/grooved inside to match the shaft.† Bad/worn/rusted-out splines on the drive shaft requires replacement of the drive shaft, which is a remove-and-open-the-transmission kind of job.

The agitator bearing in your picture is a guide ring that helps center the agitator against the neck of the basket and isn't crucial to operation, as Combo52 advised.† It has nothing to do with dogs ... there are no dogs on this style of agitator.

Picture 1 is a splined drive shaft.

Picture 2 is an example of a bearing inside a Whirlpool agitator version (turned mostly upside down in Pic 3) that would work on your machine.



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Post# 1023921 , Reply# 34   2/7/2019 at 19:35 (198 days old) by 70srule (Plano)        
Thanks DadoES

Thanks again for the clarification & Pics. I will look for another replacement other than the original unless bendixmark or Gordon comes thru.

Post# 1023938 , Reply# 35   2/7/2019 at 22:51 (197 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

Your momís washer is a 1974 or 1975 model. This model came out in 1974 and was also sold for 1975. In 1976 a different control style was introduced and no more push button Lady Kenmores were made. The serial number on her dryer is 1974. The serial tag for the washer is behind the machine on the left side towards the top. Knowing the serial would tell whether itís Ď74 or Ď75. I have the exact same set in harvest gold and mine were both manufactured in 1975.

Post# 1024033 , Reply# 36   2/8/2019 at 20:40 (197 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
link to ebay

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hello 70srules here is a link to ebay in case you went to check if the part you need is available for your mom washer and dryer

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.htmlQUESTIONM...


Post# 1026345 , Reply# 37   3/5/2019 at 18:01 by 70srule (Plano)        
Lady Kenmore Agitator & Shaft Issue

Hey everybody;

Thought I would post an update on Mom's Lady Kenmore. I had a friend go over and he was able to remove the agitator. It is done for sure, but a new one may not help due to the rusted shaft. See picture attached. Although a fuzzy pic, I can see it also needs to be replaced. I have not looked up that part number, but I doubt it is still available. I told Mom that if that shaft comes out, other attached parts may also fall apart. Then she is really done for. Any feedback would be appreciated.


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Post# 1026346 , Reply# 38   3/5/2019 at 18:18 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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The agitator shaft does not come out from the top.† It's an integral part of the transmission, which is removed from the bottom of the machine.† Changing the shaft requires opening the transmission.


Post# 1026364 , Reply# 39   3/5/2019 at 21:49 by stricklybojack (San Diego, CA)        

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Take another pic and this time focus on the shaft.
It may not need replacing but it would take a better picture to say.


Post# 1026370 , Reply# 40   3/5/2019 at 23:10 by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

The agitator shaft is toast. Trying to clean it up would just remove more of what is already gone. Best bet would probably be to find a good used replacement gearcase but they are getting more extinct by the day. Trying to find someone to do the job is also difficult because even the ones that knew how to do the job usually donít want to anymore. To do the job correctly for the long run will more than likely also require the replacement of the basket drive and center post bearings and seals. The good news is, with a mechanical inclination and a want to keep the old gal going, the information is here to do the job via literature and the brains of many here who love old appliances.

Post# 1026512 , Reply# 41   3/7/2019 at 17:10 by 70srule (Plano)        

Well....I knew the consensus was was not going to be good. Y'all are correct, it would be hard to find someone to try and tackle this job. There's the hard part of finding the parts and then the knowledgeable tech. Best I can offer Mom is a broom stick to agitate the clothes with since right now they are just getting wet and spun.

Post# 1026567 , Reply# 42   3/8/2019 at 08:36 by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

Well hopefully you wonít have to give up on the washer. I know itís sounds pretty bad but hopefully you can come up with a solution. Especially since you have the set if I remember correctly from previous posts.

Post# 1026817 , Reply# 43   3/11/2019 at 07:20 by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
70srules

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just wondering can you afford shiping if i gave you a link that sell direct drive washers that you could buy online to have sent to your mom? just incase here a link if you went to check cost nothing to look as they say

CLICK HERE TO GO TO pierreandreply4's LINK


Post# 1027066 , Reply# 44   3/14/2019 at 15:18 by 70srule (Plano)        
Lady Kenmore Saga

Thanks Pierre, but she won't let me replace her washer at this time. With the shaft messed up, I guess it is a lost cause.

Post# 1027070 , Reply# 45   3/14/2019 at 16:34 by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

That is a nice old lady kenmore. If for whatever reason you decide to get rid of it let folks here have a chance at it before it goes to the dump. I would like to fix it for you but you would have to figure out how to get it here. It could still be a great machine again but you would probably be looking at a big expense between parts, labor, and getting the machine here.

Post# 1027074 , Reply# 46   3/14/2019 at 17:30 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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not too long ago, wasn't Kenmoreguy64/Gordon purging a lot of his excess inventory of machines?...


there could be a whole replacement or donor machine to swap the insides with.....


depends on shipping cost, but worth a shot.....


CLICK HERE TO GO TO Yogitunes's LINK


Post# 1027117 , Reply# 47   3/15/2019 at 08:24 by 70srule (Plano)        
Lady Kenmore Saga

I did reach out to Gordon since he has the agitator that I thought was the only thing I needed. But looks like he has been out of pocket. The shaft and whatever parts it connects to is what I need as well, I assume. I'm in the Dallas area and Mom is in El Paso, TX, so that adds to my dilemma.

Post# 1029743 , Reply# 48   4/13/2019 at 10:14 by 70srule (Plano)        
Lady Kenmore Saga

To continue this saga....Since the shaft is rusted as per the pix and it would be difficult to find a new shaft/transmission for it,since I understand the shaft can't come off the transmission, I had the crazy idea of chopping off the rotted end and welding on a similar piece that will match another more current agitator. Anyone with feedback on whether this is doable or not is welcomed. Trick would be to do it while the shaft is still on the machine. I believe by disturbing the current shaft & transmission, other parts will break, such as seals and stuff. Would work in my mind, anyways.

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Post# 1029755 , Reply# 49   4/13/2019 at 12:50 by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

I donít see how it would work. If it did the agitator shaft seal thatís already in bad shape would be burnt to a crisp.

Post# 1029767 , Reply# 50   4/13/2019 at 14:36 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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if you had a surgilatorÖ..


I would drill a hole through the agitator and shaft, insert an expanding and/or cotter pin, and screw the cap back on....

I did this on a filterflo once, the only one who knew was me...worked like a charm


Post# 1029786 , Reply# 51   4/13/2019 at 19:20 by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )        
Agitator shaft

You can remove it without too much trouble. Remove the transmission and pull the cover , easier said than done. The proper way to refurbish a shaft is to sandblast or have it chemically stripped. Weld filler material in the low/grooved spots. Machine it flat again. Take it to chrome shop. Done.

Post# 1029790 , Reply# 52   4/13/2019 at 20:16 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Rusted Agitator Shaft On A BD WP Washer

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The quick way to fix this washer for a while is to do what Martin suggested, get another agitator that at least fits some what on the old rusted shaft, then with the agitator in place drill a 1/4" hole through the agitator and shaft and put a strong bolt through it, then drill a 2nd hole 3/4" above the other 180 degrees from the other and put a 2nd bolt through.

 

I have seen this done and if you do a good job it might last a good while.

 

Other than this you have to pull the transmission as Eugene suggested and replace the shaft, there is no need to try to rebuild the old shaft however, new shafts are all over Ebay for as little as $20

 

John


Post# 1029841 , Reply# 53   4/14/2019 at 10:50 by 70srule (Plano)        
Agitator shaft issue

Thanks again all for the suggestions. If I lived where this ol'Lady is, I would tackle it for sure. I can't seem to find a reliable repair guy in town to tackle it.




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