German/EU Members Tell Me About This Machine

My older Miele washer only does one short "pulse" spin between third and fourth rinse, then a full after fourth for Normal/Cottons. Yes, it uses lots of water!

Delicates, Synthetics, and Woolens don't spin at all between three rinses.

Ironically if one selects "Sensitive" on the AEG Lavamat it defaults to a similar pattern, does two rinses with no spins between, then IIRC only a short pulse after third. Finally does a full spin between fourth and fifth. Not sure of the exact numbers and how, and this varies if one has selected the extra rinse option.

Interestingly on the newer Lavamat toplader one cannot select extra rinse *and* Sensitive. Guess Electrolux made that change to keep down water use or something.

Being as all this may ever since both commercial and domestic h-axis washers were equipped with extraction functions there has been a debate over spinning between rinses.

Some feel that extracting between rinses pulls dirty/soapy water through wash thus causing materials to act as a strainer. Others believe spins (even short pulses) help reduce water usage.

Rinsing laundry is a process of dilution. However more wash is extracted between rinses means it will absorb more water at next fill. The SQ front loaders at local Laundromat do not do full spins between first few rinses. In fact don't think they go above gentle pulse spins period.

IIRC from conversations we've had in group at least regarding older Miele washers, they didn't spin between first several rinses in order to prevent suds locking. That is by the third or whatever rinse much of the froth from high foaming detergents (at least when compared to what is being sold today), would have been removed thus preventing suds lock/pump choking.

Watched video again last night and noticed this machine doesn't even turn itself off at end of cycle automatically. Owner has to turn dial back to "off" when done. Or maybe am missing something.


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Post# 1027935 3/25/2019 at 04:48 (1,858 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)
Checkrate/Likes Just love everything about this "EB Elektralady" . From the styling and colors right down to using copious amounts of water.

Post# 1027939 , Reply# 1 3/25/2019 at 06:23 (1,858 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)
Checkrate/Likes Elektrabregenz was an Austrian company that made household appliances. In 2002 the company was bought up by Arçelik, so Elektrabregenz is not an Austrian company anymore, just the name on the modern stuff is there as a reminder of the history. Their machines are very similar to Beko.

Post# 1028155 , Reply# 2 3/27/2019 at 22:53 (1,855 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)
Checkrate/Likes *Thank you, Louis* Such a great looking machine, don't you agree? Love the Robin's egg blue color, and it has stood up very well over years. Somewhere you can hear a reservoir or well draining as that washer goes about doing the laundry. LOL Very solidly built appliance; love how it goes into spin without much bother or complaint. Just gets on with things sending water cascading down porthole.

Post# 1028163 , Reply# 3 3/28/2019 at 05:39 (1,855 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes I sure hope that the garments with ties were aprons and not straight jackets. I guess the detergent was added before the load for the boilwash.

Post# 1028167 , Reply# 4 3/28/2019 at 07:21 (1,855 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)
Checkrate/Likes I love the color too, most European machines were white. Asea (later Asko) had nice colors available at some time but I guess most Europeans like white appliances in their laundryroom. This is a rather basic machine, although the 2 or 5kg button and the separate temperature control are a luxury compared to BOL machines. The 600 rpm spinspeed is on the low side for 1973. An there is no spin cycle for synthetics or permanent press. The longer video doesn't show the whole 95C cycle, but it looks like there are no spins between the rinses. It needs lots of water to compensate for it, but I bet it still wasn't very good at getting all the detergent out. Bosch made lots of machines too with only a final spin. Those were well known for their bad rinse results.

Post# 1028174 , Reply# 5 3/28/2019 at 08:46 (1,855 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes Louis, Thank you for all of your information about this machine (and others). My first Miele did not really spin until just before the 4th rinse and it was an 80s machine.

Post# 1028210 , Reply# 6 3/28/2019 at 14:57 (1,855 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)
Checkrate/Likes My older Miele washer only does one short "pulse" spin between third and fourth rinse, then a full after fourth for Normal/Cottons. Yes, it uses lots of water! Delicates, Synthetics, and Woolens don't spin at all between three rinses. Ironically if one selects "Sensitive" on the AEG Lavamat it defaults to a similar pattern, does two rinses with no spins between, then IIRC only a short pulse after third. Finally does a full spin between fourth and fifth. Not sure of the exact numbers and how, and this varies if one has selected the extra rinse option. Interestingly on the newer Lavamat toplader one cannot select extra rinse and Sensitive. Guess Electrolux made that change to keep down water use or something. Being as all this may ever since both commercial and domestic h-axis washers were equipped with extraction functions there has been a debate over spinning between rinses. Some feel that extracting between rinses pulls dirty/soapy water through wash thus causing materials to act as a strainer. Others believe spins (even short pulses) help reduce water usage. Rinsing laundry is a process of dilution. However more wash is extracted between rinses means it will absorb more water at next fill. The SQ front loaders at local Laundromat do not do full spins between first few rinses. In fact don't think they go above gentle pulse spins period. IIRC from conversations we've had in group at least regarding older Miele washers, they didn't spin between first several rinses in order to prevent suds locking. That is by the third or whatever rinse much of the froth from high foaming detergents (at least when compared to what is being sold today), would have been removed thus preventing suds lock/pump choking. Watched video again last night and noticed this machine doesn't even turn itself off at end of cycle automatically. Owner has to turn dial back to "off" when done. Or maybe am missing something.

Post# 1028248 , Reply# 7 3/28/2019 at 21:27 (1,854 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)
Checkrate/Likes My Asko does a burst spin between the 1st and 2nd, the 2nd and 3rd, and 3rd and 4th rinses, but not one immediately after the wash water drains...probably to prevent foaming.

Post# 1028261 , Reply# 8 3/29/2019 at 00:15 (1,854 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)
Checkrate/Likes I can only guess why European engineers in the past thought it was not a good idea to let their inventions spin directly after the main wash or between all rinses. I suppose it was because to protect the motor from too much strain in case of a sudslock. Suds and off balance sensors weren't invented yet, machines just started spinning.

Post# 1028268 , Reply# 9 3/29/2019 at 05:47 (1,854 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)
Checkrate/Likes My Creda SupaSpeed Eco Wash 1000 does not spin after the wash, but does wonderful interim spins after each of the first 3 rinses with a brief low speed spin to get rid of the greatest amount of water and suds at first, then keeps turning at distribution speed to hold the fabrics against the drum while it drains then it goes back into a longer spin period to extract more water. It slows to a stop for complete draining before starting to fill. For a machine of its age and lightness of construction, it does an amazing job, unless the long sleeves of the shirts get tangled to the point where it can't properly distribute to balance for spinning.