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Post# 1028024   3/26/2019 at 02:28 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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Historically, I've preferred powder detergents. I cracked here that if powder was good enough for my mother's Kenmore, it's good enough for the BOL WP DD I'm using. But I've shifted to liquids in recent history for the simple reason that there are more choices on the market, and a better shot of getting a good deal. But I decided I'd treat myself to a small box of powder a while back. And so I got a small box of Tide Original Powder. (Which is not "original" compared to the first Tide ever made...or even the Tide they made when I was young--but that's another story, I guess!)

It's been interesting using this Tide. Some observations:

1. I can't really tell if it cleans better than liquid, which some have argued here in the past. BUT my laundry needs are pretty simple--more freshening than dealing with nightmare stains.

2. I CAN say, however, the scent is more more bearable than any conventional liquid I've tried. I really don't like the scent particularly--for that matter, I prefer unscented these days--but this detergent's scent is very restrained after the dryer. There is scent, but it's more like "put your face against a clean shirt and smell scent" than "you can smell it from across the house." I'll be making sure I keep at least some of this detergent in reserve for summer to see what happens when laundry is dried on a line.

3. It seems like this Tide is easier to rinse than Tide or Persil liquid detergents I've used recently. I'm also thinking it may be better than some powders I've used in the past...although it's been so long since I used powder detergent I can't say for sure.

Nothing I say above is very newsworthy--a lot is what I'd have hypothesized. My only real question was whether I could live with the scent (even though I guessed it would likely be more restrained than, say, Persil liquid)--although this is a matter of having to come to prefer unscented detergent.





Post# 1028033 , Reply# 1   3/26/2019 at 11:08 by Frigidaireguy (Wiston-Salem, NC)        
TIDE POWDER WITH BLEACH

I use Tide Powder with bleach and it also has a really clean smell when the clothes are dried.  I also hang all my sheets on the line and you don't smell any detergent smell at all.  Just a thought that you might like to try.

 

Bob


Post# 1028046 , Reply# 2   3/26/2019 at 16:25 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I have to admit I've been curious about the Tide powder with bleach. I've read more than one positive comment here. And I also note that there is an unscented Tide powder, too.

But those versions are only available in big boxes in my area, at least as far as I know. Of course, I suppose one saves by buying in larger boxes. But I don't like to pay that much given my current finances, particularly on a detergent that I haven't tried before. (It's bad enough trying to use up a small quantity of detergent you don't like, vs what could seem like a "lifetime supply of detestable detergent"!) And, of course, as I said before...there's a better chance of getting a good deal on liquids. Indeed, I'm pondering one local sale...and I'm guessing the per load cost would be lower than powder after the suggested coupon is coupled with the sale price.


Post# 1028047 , Reply# 3   3/26/2019 at 16:31 by jerrod6 (United States of America)        

I think every powder I have tried rinses better than it's liquid version.

Post# 1028055 , Reply# 4   3/26/2019 at 18:48 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
My addiction

Tide Powder is addicting. Lol. The Mountain Spring scent is to die for. It cleans incredibly well in warm and very well in hot.

Post# 1028063 , Reply# 5   3/26/2019 at 20:28 by ThatRobGuy (Maine)        

I've been using Tide "Clean Breeze" powder for the past year. It works fairly well, if things get really dirty I'll use Persil 2-in-1. I tried the liquid clean breeze and it smells sickly sweet. I can't stand the scent. I for some reason bought a box of Cheer powder this time, the scent isn't the same as I remember it, again very sweet smelling. I really miss Persil power pearls. I'm half tempted to buy some of the German stuff again.

I just wish there was a decent scent that didn't smell like flowers or was overly sweet. Hero brand was okay, but it just didn't clean as well as Persil.


Post# 1028064 , Reply# 6   3/26/2019 at 20:47 by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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If I could buy the old "original" Tide in a box. I would. My mother used it for laundry, dishes and general cleaning. I would know it in a second as one sniff of it was an immediate sneeze.

Post# 1028072 , Reply# 7   3/26/2019 at 22:02 by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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All of the P&G Tide liquids have that "sickly chemical sweet" smell.  P&G must do tons of consumer research, so most people must like it.  It's strange to me, because I think it's pretty awful.

 

Once I made the mistake of buying a Walmart "Mainstays" scented candle.  It was on clearance...after I lit the thing it smelled like something left over in the bottom of a Dow chemical vat.   Should have known better!


Post# 1028076 , Reply# 8   3/26/2019 at 23:16 by earthling177 (Boston, MA)        

I think big companies are a double-edged sword of a kind: yes, they must do a lot of research, then again, once they do research and find out something costs even just 2 cents less, they can force people to believe that "most people prefer{a, b or c}" instead of d, which is what most people *actually* prefer.

My favorite example is coffee: it's well known that the best coffee is extracted with water a little short of boiling, depending on who you ask -- some people say slightly before the air comes out of the water (around 180F/82C), some people say a bit hotter. Once the water is boiling, it will also extract bitter flavors which can detract from the experience. It's also well known that if you keep the coffee at too high a temperature, it oxidizes and tastes rancid faster.

It's also well known that *most* people will burn their mouths at temperatures higher than 140F/60C.

And yet, the most vociferous clients are the ones that *do* like boiling hot coffee and complain a lot if the thing falls into the way more practical 140F/60C (which can be drunk immediately), or they hate boiling coffee but they will drive 10 minutes to their jobs and can't stand warm coffee or whatever, but those are the ones that complain, and places that sell coffee end up fed up with the complaints and then they decide it's easier to just force us all to buy a less tasty cup of coffee and make us wait until it cools down because "most people prefer" boiling hot coffee. Which is why I don't tend to get coffee in commercial settings, which just drops the number of clients that complain that coffee is too hot which feeds back into the way they can bully people into buying what they want to sell instead of what we want to buy.

Just my opinion, of course.


Post# 1028086 , Reply# 9   3/27/2019 at 07:28 by dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA))        

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This is my observation/opinion. I bought some Persil powdered detergent sometime last year in Big Lots, I think it was the Persil Pearls and it was in a liquid container but powder. Well I fell in love, only to my dismay that it is no longer available. So since this devastating loss I have been using Tide regular powder and I like almost as much. I only use powder on my towels and whites btw.

Post# 1028106 , Reply# 10   3/27/2019 at 10:47 by ThatRobGuy (Maine)        

I used to use Cheer before it was reformulated in about 2012. Didn't smell bad, clothes got very clean. It had honestly been a three year struggle to find something until Persil rolled around. When they discontinued the Power Pearls it started another search. Tried the sensitive skin which still had the light scent in it. It was great... and also discontinued.

I mean honestly, how hard is it to make a detergent that won't make me smell like a flower, or piece of candy? I want some scent in the clothes, just don't want things to be like a punch in the face.


Post# 1028113 , Reply# 11   3/27/2019 at 12:35 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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I hadn't used Cheer powder in YEARS.† Tried it upon running across recommendations, it's quite satisfactory IMO.† Very low-sudsing (I think there was another reformulation recently), and the powder supposedly has no OBAs to impart that "dusty" look to dark/black fabrics.


Post# 1028120 , Reply# 12   3/27/2019 at 13:27 by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        

I asked this same question last October and was told that people were really pleased with Tide w/ Bleach as a replacement for the "jug" of Persil powder.

I can say that I very much like it for both whites and colors and after using it twice, found the fragrance agreeable and it's now my daily powder.  No signs of fading, always rinse twice and there you have it!   However best price and availability is at Walmart.  They care both sizes, too!  Greg


Post# 1028127 , Reply# 13   3/27/2019 at 14:26 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Tide with Bleach powder....been some of the greatest stuff out there since it came out...I swear by it...


but what you can do.....buy it, try it....IF by chance you don't like it, call P&G 800 number....tell them of your dismay, and they will send you coupons for replacements of the liquid version of your choice...





Post# 1028146 , Reply# 14   3/27/2019 at 20:17 by angus (Fairfield, CT.)        

much as I like the performance of Tide w/Bleach Powder, I can't stand the reformulated scent. I don't notice any difference between the scents of regular Tide or the w/Bleach version. As the original scent (on the market since its introduction in the late 80's) was going away, I went to my local big box store and bought as many boxes as I could carry or they had. So I still have 10 of the 120 load size HE boxes (actually these were from when there was a differentiation between HE and non HE formulations). Anyway, I tried the new stuff just to see how things went. Even after dosing and rinsing carefully, I just can't stand even the residual traces of the new scent.

So I alternate between "my stash" and my other stash of Persil Pearls that I scored again as it was being discontinued. Maybe by the time I run out, there will be another scent reformulation that I actually like...

And I recently bought a few boxes of German Persil from Amazon. So I may be set for a while.


Post# 1028150 , Reply# 15   3/27/2019 at 21:35 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        
Unless things have changed

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Find Persil and other powdered detergents from Europe create less froth, and are easier rinsing than Tide.

That and also on average Persil and Ariel powders tend to have a better enzyme cocktail mixture than TWB; at least last time one compared.

For instance Tide powders most always contained cellulase enzyme; now not all even when they have that "Cotton" logo on box. Meanwhile TOL offerings of powders like Ariel, Persil and others most always have cellulase.

Was gifted a small vend size of the "new" Tide powder, and like others cannot stand the fruity/bubble gum fragrance. Had one known changes were coming wouldn't have given a huge box of old TWB to Mama. Especially later found out after a few months she re-gifted the stuff again to one of her friends. That's our Mama; always Lady Bountiful.


Post# 1028153 , Reply# 16   3/27/2019 at 22:32 by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Meijer

I was at Meijer today. Of course, I ended up in the laundry isle and of course I purchased detergent. Anyways, I noticed that there were only 3 boxes of powdered detergent available. They redid the shelves and now only carry Tide powder. Kind of sad.

Post# 1028154 , Reply# 17   3/27/2019 at 22:47 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        
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Has long since been an endangered species in most shops/supermarkets around our way.

You are lucky to find one version of Tide powder, but that is usually all; everything else is shelves and shelves of liquids.

Even K-Mart down on Astor Place once happy hunting grounds virtually is now devoid of powdered detergent. Thankfully last time was there they still had the HTF Tide "free and gentle" HE powder.



Post# 1028159 , Reply# 18   3/28/2019 at 02:57 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        
I only use powder on my towels

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I'm honestly tempted--really tempted--to try to continue keeping powder detergent around for towels... It's problematic because, as I said before, liquids have better deals/availability. But towels are where I most see the better rinsability. Liquids work for towels, but--at least for me--it seems like I need to do two rinses more routinely than is the case with Tide powder.



Post# 1028160 , Reply# 19   3/28/2019 at 03:08 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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>Find Persil and other powdered detergents from Europe create less froth, and are easier rinsing than Tide.

I can't comment, never having used European powdered detergent.

[Lord Kenmore gently sobs, as he ponders this gaping hole in his laundry life.]

But as I think of it, I do have a sense that this Tide might be improved vs. older versions of Tide when rinse time comes. But I can't say for sure--this is only a sense. It's been a long time since I last used powdered Tide, and it's very possible I've never used it with this particular washer.


Post# 1028161 , Reply# 20   3/28/2019 at 03:10 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        
found out after a few months she re-gifted the stuff again

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I have the vision of that box of Tide making the rounds like an unwanted fruitcake! LOL

Post# 1028165 , Reply# 21   3/28/2019 at 06:04 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        
Likely not

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Probably all used by the lucky recipient.

Mother Dear is just one of those generous souls who cannot resist helping persons in want. That box of detergent likely found a happy home with someone from her church who was glad to have it.


Post# 1028179 , Reply# 22   3/28/2019 at 09:25 by Kate1 (Idaho)        

I use Tide Powder for the vast majority of my laundry. Along with a scoop of Oxi Clean so I donít bother buying the Tide with Bleach. I really want to switch to the unscented version but I canít find it in anything but the smallest boxes which is a very impractical way to buy detergent for me. Itís also not available at all at Costco which is where I currently buy detergent. I always do two rinses and donít use more than is necessary to cut down on the smell as much as possible.

Post# 1028216 , Reply# 23   3/28/2019 at 16:57 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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> I really want to switch to the unscented version but I canít find it in anything but the smallest boxes which is a very impractical way to buy detergent for me.

And I have the opposite problem: only the larger boxes available!

One thing I note, however, that might be an issue in your case: it appears that the the unscented version is only available, period, in a couple of sizes, and the biggest size is smaller than the biggest available boxes of the regular Tide.

At times, I've been stuck using a strongly scented detergent for a period (usually because I'm curious to try something praised here--like Wisk or Persil to cite two examples). I'd have preferred zero scent, but found that it was livable if I kept a supply of unscented detergent around for the times I absolutely wanted zero smell past clean laundry. Sheets, for example.


Post# 1028219 , Reply# 24   3/28/2019 at 17:10 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I forgot to mention a few benefits to Tide powdered detergent in the original post. Continuing the numbering from above:

4. The measuring cup is transparent. It's easier for me to be able to accurately measure than many liquid detergents. Some liquids I've used have driven me crazy because the lighting needs to be really good to see the lines inside the cap as I measure out a dose of detergent. A cynic might wonder if caps aren't designed to make measuring hard in hopes that people will use too much, and thus buy more detergent. (Although I do note that Tide now has at least some liquid detergents with transparent caps, so they presumably would have this benefit, as well.)

5. After measuring, one can very easily completely pour ALL the measured detergent into the washer.

6. It will also be easier using up the detergent. Liquids always have those troublesome drops that are hard to get out.


Post# 1028220 , Reply# 25   3/28/2019 at 17:15 by Steved (Guilderland, New York)        
Lord Kenmore

Check out the dollar stores. The local Dollar Tree has a couple of different Tide powders for a buck each.

Post# 1028224 , Reply# 26   3/28/2019 at 17:45 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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maybe a few helpful hints.....

for Mom, I used to divide the bottles in half, and mix 50/50 with water....was sort of an easy way to for her to just measure a full cap and pour it in....

for HE machines, using full strength, I found a shot glass the perfect measure per load, one for medium size loads, two for large heavily soiled loads, I would leave it in the dispenser to clean itself each time...

doing a 50/50 mix on softeners was also the perfect dose, and eliminating the build up inside the dispenser chamber...

some detergents allow you to pull out that spout to get the last drops, others like Tide, you have to add water and rinse out the last of it...



Post# 1028294 , Reply# 27   3/29/2019 at 11:33 by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

"Was gifted a small vend size of the "new" Tide powder, and like others cannot stand the fruity/bubble gum fragrance." Agreed!! Am finding that a lot of this smell in the in-house brands as well. Have been using HEB's Bravo brand and it smells like bubble gum, but it's formulated for Texas hard water. The scent is not that far removed from TWB powder, but at least it rinses out more so than Tide. What is it with these scents anyway?!?!? Also found that the the scent of Wind Fresh from Sam's Club lingers and lingers in the plastic bucket, long after it was used up and used for cleaning windows and other items around the house. Persil is the worst, nearly drove me out of the house. Bought a bottle of Suavitel fabric softner sometime ago and when they advertised the scent lasted 30 days, they weren't kidding! Will probably switch back to buying All Free & Clear, just can't stand some of the scents anymore. I miss the detergents of my youth!!!



Barry


Post# 1028301 , Reply# 28   3/29/2019 at 13:14 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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The whole thing with overly scented/reeking detergents is surely related to the push for COLD water ... to cover the stink of the smutz that builds-up in the machine and the stink of soils stuck in the clothes.


Post# 1028303 , Reply# 29   3/29/2019 at 13:24 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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We all miss the scents of our youth and the generation that prefers fruity bubble gum today will soon be yearning for the good old days too because those trends won`t stay forever.

Whether we like it or not those of us who were young in the 60`s, 70`s or 80`s are certainly not the preferred target group when detergent industry and others makes their market research. Additionally those new trends are pushed by constant new scientific knowledge about scent ingredients safety.

An important secret in life (amongst a trillion of others) is not to fail to adapt to a constantly changing world. Easier said than done, I know that myself.



Post# 1028305 , Reply# 30   3/29/2019 at 13:36 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Now can anyone please explain why the "smartlable" ingredients list of Tide Original powder is exactly on par with Tide with Bleach powder ?
Same product in different boxes sold for different prices ?
At least Tide Ultra Oxi seems to be a different formular.


Post# 1028307 , Reply# 31   3/29/2019 at 14:43 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        
Tide with Bleach

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Is P&G's TOL powdered detergent and market leader, indeed it has been since introduction many years ago.

TWB has P&G's patented oxygen (activated)bleaching system, something they continuously revise and improve. Subsequently P&G also renews the patents which has prevented any other American dishwasher or laundry detergent maker from introducing an activated bleaching system based upon NBOS. Persil and others use TAED (if they bother all) for activated bleaching systems.

Since it isn't possible to have liquid detergents with oxygen bleach as market sales of powders have dwindled, P&G has upped their game for their liquid detergents. That and have introduced various stain "booster" additives which basically are activated oxygen bleaching system based powders.

Also as more and more Americans are wearing colors and darks, even a detergent with oxygen bleaching systems becomes either suspect or an outright no go.

Unlike in Europe P&G doesn't have a "colors" version of Tide with Bleach. Best you can do is get Tide powders like "free and gentle" which IIRC don't contain oxygen bleach (don't quote me on this, haven't looked in years). But they do contain OBAs which not everyone wants for their darks/colors wash.


Post# 1028308 , Reply# 32   3/29/2019 at 14:53 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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>Now can anyone please explain why the "smartlable" ingredients list of Tide Original powder is exactly on par with Tide with Bleach powder ?

I've speculated that the difference might be in the amounts of individual ingredients. There might be more bleach-related ingredients in TWB than regular Tide.



Post# 1028309 , Reply# 33   3/29/2019 at 15:05 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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>Unlike in Europe P&G doesn't have a "colors" version of Tide with Bleach.

I can't say this for sure...but I have to think that any sort of "colors" detergent version would be, at best, a niche product in the US. I think most people want just one detergent sitting on the shelf. Indeed, most people would be puzzled by the idea of having more than one detergent.

Indeed, my mother did have (at least part of the time) 2 detergents: regular detergent, and Woolite (for hand washing delicates). I noticed that Woolite vanished from the store where I usually get detergent. I'm assuming the store has sales that aren't good enough, and they figure there can be a better use for that space on the shelf. Get rid of a few small items like that, and you have room for the latest version of Tide, after all!


Post# 1028313 , Reply# 34   3/29/2019 at 15:27 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Lordkenmore you are on the same page as I am.
I`ve speculated the same as you, but if there are differences in individual amounts then they are probably only marginal because the chemicals are usually listed in an order from the largest amount on top of the list to the smallest amount on the bottom.
Of course the scent could differ as well, couldn`t tell because I never had a chance to try the "Bleach" version.
Or maybe they have just mixed up the Smartlables on Tide`s website.


Post# 1028323 , Reply# 35   3/29/2019 at 17:47 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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you could always check laundromats for sample boxes of different detergents to try....


I got to try a bunch of different ones without buying a whole box...roughly .75 to 1.00 for a box...



also, I didn't find TWB powder the same as Tide with Bleach Alternative liquid.....prefer the powder...


Post# 1029081 , Reply# 36   4/5/2019 at 22:16 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I'm doing a load of laundry tonight using some new detergent. (Back to liquid, thanks to a sale.) But...I thought it might be interesting to let the clothes agitate a bit in warm water with no detergent, first. Just to see if there was much detergent residue left from the powdered Tide that didn't get dislodged by the regular cold water rinse when last washed. It seems to me that sometimes a lot of suds will turn up in such a situation. This time, however, the water looked pretty decent, although not perfect. Perhaps I should use the new detergent exclusively for the stuff in this load for a couple of weeks, and then do a similar test.

Post# 1029085 , Reply# 37   4/6/2019 at 00:10 by arris (Rochester New York)        
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I've tried the new tide,,, smell does not impress me..... Tide with bleach smells somewhat like the Oxydol from the 80's did. I tried the new Oxydol with Biz.. that smelled great.... not over powering, left my cloths with a light clean scent... I'd add some stpp to it, it would clean the oil and grease out of my work jeans great..... it was sold to I think CR brands, and recently sold to another company. I was buying it 4 boxes at a time on Amazon.... pretty reasonable price.... unable to find it anymore... there is someone on E-bay selling 4 boxes for 175 dollars..... when I saw that I said to myself " I can get an original box of Oxydol MUCH cheaper than that " I hope the new company starts selling it again....

Post# 1029086 , Reply# 38   4/6/2019 at 00:17 by ThatRobGuy (Maine)        

The local Target had Tide Ultra Oxy on sale for $7 something for the 58 load box. I picked it up, along with a bottle of Tide Color whatever and a trial bottle of Method fresh breeze or something. The Tide didn't have an obnoxious smell. I just need to go through the rest of the Cheer. There's a lot left.

I'm finding myself stuck in a bit of a pickle. If I don't use enough detergent clothes don't seem to get clean. But I use enough things foam up in the wash basket like crazy. I have no idea how much to actually use.


Post# 1029097 , Reply# 39   4/6/2019 at 06:58 by TheSpiritOf76 (Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, and OZ All Together. )        
So here is my personal opnion.......

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I had been reading this thread, and come payday I strolled down the laundry isle of Dillons (Kroger). I looked at the Tide, and decided to get a small box of original powder, just to try. Here are my thoughts.

I paid $14 and change for that small box, I usually pay $6 and change for a large box of Surf, or Sun. I have been using my wringer Maytag lately because my Automatic is in need of repair currently. After filling the machine, and turning on the wash action, to add the detergent, then the laundry, I was slightly less impressed with the amount of suds that was produced. I was expecting, a good head, and lots of bubbles. But in reality I got no more then the Surf I have been using for years

I am not overly crazy about the scent. I do two rinses in that machine. Both in clock cold water, the first rinse with a dose of Borax. The sent was still there but manageable, just not necessarily to my own taste is all.

My laundry in the end, after both rinses, and good wringing, and being dried, did come out clean and fresh. But so does my laundry with my regular Surf. So, in the end it really comes down to price for me. I cant see anything magical about Tide to spend $14 again. Also may I ad, that the small box of Tide was $14 and change at the grocery store, but the same size is $18 and change at Walmart!!!! Unbelievable! That's almost robbery. So, that is my finding, as far as my household is concerned. Just my 2 cents.


Post# 1029109 , Reply# 40   4/6/2019 at 09:34 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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too many factors to rule out one over the other....finding what works best for you and your budget can be a key factor....

too many variables when it comes to water conditions, detergents, clothing, soil level....

what may be too strong for you, may not be strong enough for another...that goes for cleaning and scent...

water conditions can really weigh in when it comes to detergent scents....if my PH tanks go out of whack, that alone will knock out the scent the second it hits the water, there is nothing left to smell once the load is complete....

I get the chance to experiment with a number of test loads from diapers to greasy mechanics clothes, and odors from someone working in a clam factory to heavy smokers...


when it comes to someone working in an office setting, Woolite is overkill at that point...

with that being said.....turn your thinking around....


not washing the same load with different detergents, wash different loads with the same detergent!...your outcome will change...

if scents are the issues, almost everyone has a 'Free and Clear' of some form...




prices for detergents vary by area....a small box of Tide/Gain, around 23 use, falls under 6.00 around here......Surf/Purex around 3 to 5 bucks....



cleaning ingredients for something like Tide include enzymes......most bargain ones don't, not to mention we have seen what effects cheap detergents can have on a machine as well.....you may save on one, and pay for another over time...

note too.....if I am washing with a TLer, you can smell the detergent all over the house, but if I use a Fler, only outside when the dryer is on can you smell anything...

YMMV


Post# 1029110 , Reply# 41   4/6/2019 at 09:40 by TheSpiritOf76 (Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, and OZ All Together. )        
I understand your very concisley written point.

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I was just saying what I found for my household. =)

Post# 1029119 , Reply# 42   4/6/2019 at 12:03 by ThatRobGuy (Maine)        

Prices for Tide seem to be all over the place. Walgreens sells that 20 oz (the little little boxes) for $9 and I've seen Walmart sell the 95 oz boxes for $13. Target's prices are stranger still. They have the massive 143 oz boxes for $17-20, with the Tide + Downy being the cheapest.

The HE detergents are designed to have very little foam. When I had my previous washer, an evil Maytag with a "Power agitator" when I used a full scoop of tide powder and it was on deep fill there was very little sudsing. The LG FL that I have now can get Tide and Method liquid to foam up a lot, Cheer powder when I use enough to actually clean the clothes, and all the "bargain" brands as well. Arm and Hammer was the absolute worst when it came to foaming, and it just wouldn't break down.

That all being said, finding the detergent that cleans well for your conditions is important. In the winter our clothes get a bit muddy, and can smell like outside when we shovel or plough. The summers are much harsher for them. We own and operate a small golf course, so there is a lot of hands on stuff happening. I had relied on Tide Ultra for quite a while to get our stuff clean, but found that regular Persil for summer was adequate, and the 2-in-1 was great for the really dirty stuff. With a lot of grass and mud stains a powder just doesn't do it. It'll be interesting to see how well the Ultra Free and Clear works, we're starting to get to mud season now, and I have a bunch of Ultra free and clear pods. If Persil is getting reformulated again I'm a bit nervous about the scent profile, their power caps have always left a strong perfume on them compared to the liquids.

I just want clean clothes.


Post# 1029124 , Reply# 43   4/6/2019 at 13:12 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Clean clothes...that's all anyone wants....seeking that bottom line is a bit of a challenge for some...

sometimes no rhyme or reason to come up with issues from one, and not another....


when I worked in a laundry, we had 'chemical'....whether you dumped in 1 cup or 3, it was just a concentration of chemical, no suds about it...

growing up, we used DASH, non suds, rinses clean...

what it basically boils down to is 'controlled suds'.....our own Jon created Rosalie's detergent, suds free, and will knock down any suds from other detergents....


so if he can do it, why can't all HE detergents be deemed suds free...no matter what machine or condition you use it under...even if you over dose it...

wasn't that the point of HE detergents in the first place, to be used in these HE machines....at this point, go back to the original formula...

granted FLers were not as popular as they are now, but there have been a number of them in use, simple instructions were to use less than a TLer, usually 1/3 to 1/2 cup....wringers started out with a cup, and add 1/2 cup for every reuse of the water...

when I got my first Neptune....the only HE detergents were Tide and Wisk, at a higher price than the regular formula.....they both suds up....at that point, I went back to the regular formulas, 1/2 dose gave great results, and rinsed clear....

of course that was from the days you could buy a 200 ounce bottle of Tide for 9.99...

depending on your area, shop around for competitive pricing....BigLots and Family Dollar are inexpensive...Dollar General is about the best, their regular price is usually cheaper than most stores sale prices, plus they have sales, digital coupons, add on a manufacturers coupon, and a lot of times DG will knock off 5.00 for spending over 25.00...

Tandil at ALDI's is actually Tide....orange bottle blue cap....same color and viscosity, same scent...same clean....1/2 the price...

its great to see some of you guys experimenting....if you can find a better clean at a lower price, share your ideas and finds...


and people think life is getting simpler....its more confusing than ever


Post# 1029129 , Reply# 44   4/6/2019 at 14:00 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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HE detergents can generate suds but typically the suds dissipate more quickly than non-HE products.

Are there any more true non-HE detergents on the market? Majority seem either HE or "HE-compatible/for all machines."


Post# 1029136 , Reply# 45   4/6/2019 at 15:49 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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>Prices for Tide seem to be all over the place.

I was reminded of that yesterday when I got my most recent detergent (a bottle of liquid Tide). I'm not 100% sure--I haven't carefully checked prices--but I'm thinking their daily price is higher than my regular store's price, and the sale price was definitely slightly higher than a regular sale price at my normal store. I frankly got the detergent mainly because it was something I can't get (at least in that size) at my regular store--if my regular store had the same thing, I'd just have waited in hopes that a slightly better sale would come along in a week or two.

What mildly surprises me is that there are people who (apparently) must pay higher prices. Admittedly, at some stores, there is a chance that an item just doesn't sell in between sales. But I've seen stores that probably never have sales that still presumably sell Tide at a much higher price than one would pay at a store across the street. Although I suppose some people have enough money that they don't care about saving a few dollars.


Post# 1029148 , Reply# 46   4/6/2019 at 19:32 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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there were two Non-HE detergents I came across.....

Purex and Oxydol powder......1 cup formula, yet HE compatible, by using 1/2 cup as per the instructions...

there were a few off name brands at dollar stores that had the same wording...


I find directions on some of these detergents a bit odd:

Arm&Hammer liq....fill to bar one for medium loads, fill to bar 3 for energy saving cold wash setting

Gain/Tide pow/liq....line 1 for medium loads, line 3 for large loads, line 5 for HE full loads...


Purex/Ajax.....fill to line 3 for medium loads, line 5 for heavily soiled...


Post# 1029151 , Reply# 47   4/6/2019 at 20:12 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Cheer powder follows that pattern. The included cup, line for an "HE full load" is 12 tablespoons (!), if my test was accurate. I've not used that much but sudsing is very minimal at the stated dosages for smaller loads.

Post# 1029153 , Reply# 48   4/6/2019 at 20:53 by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)        

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I've used Tide Powder with Bleach for years, it's $12.96 for a 53 load box at Walmart and it's the only place that sells it around here.

 

I've often wondered if I could get by with something cheaper but since I only wash for myself the savings wouldn't be all that great.

 

My rationalization for buying it has always been that clothes are more expensive than detergent and if using TOL detergent prevents them from being tossed out early from stains or sweat odors it's worth it.  Plus I hate shopping for clothes.


Post# 1029159 , Reply# 49   4/6/2019 at 22:16 by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Tide scent

I guess I donít remember what the Original Tide scent was, and Iím curious when it changed, and what the difference is.

Maybe Iím an old man or Zicam fried my olfactories but I donít think laundry detergents have even the smallest fraction of the scent they used to have. When I was a kid and laundry was going, especially Oxydol and Cheer powders, you KNEW it! Years ago the laundry aisle almost choked me; today I donít smell a thing. Is it me?

Or is it that in the old days the standard dose of non-concentrated powder was close to 2 cups whereas today we use far less?

To me, Tide smells just like college dorm laundry rooms. Even though itís a cheap and unsophisticated scent, compared to Persil, it has a comfort value to it.

Persil is my favorite but it seems to be beneficial to switch off to Tide occasionally. Tomturbomatic said one time that he thinks itís good to switch around occasionally; kind of like shampoos, whatever residue one leaves behind another will seem to clean up (even if it leaves something different behind).


Post# 1029163 , Reply# 50   4/6/2019 at 22:52 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I miss the aroma throughout the house when laundry was being done...

detergent aisles from years ago were lined with mostly cardboard boxes of powdered detergent....the scent just seeped right through....the variety was endless...

and most homes had either a wringer or TL machine.....not really a sealed unit, and add in the idea of steaming hot water....again, the scent spread throughout the house on laundry day...

if you have a TLer, you may still get these effects, but if its a FLer, the aroma is limited...

back in the day, there was only one scent to a detergent, and you knew once you gathered a whiff which one it was....I can't count how many scents there are for Tide, Gain, Downy, Final touch, etc...


Post# 1029169 , Reply# 51   4/7/2019 at 00:19 by ThatRobGuy (Maine)        

I think that some of the reason for the suds in household detergents is because people want to see them, that is what they perceive as washing. (See post 67) I was watching a video on youtube about someone reviewing a portable washer. One of those 5 or 6 gallon two tub jobs. She started with a half a capful of Gain, then added another half capful. So a full capful of Gain. That is way too much soap for the amount of water. I'm finding that with the detergents that I have if there is no suds, things just don't get clean. The Cheer powder I'm using is like that. A tablespoon in a small load isn't enough, in trial and error I found that I needed 1 3/4 to get stuff clean. What comes with that? Suds. Everything is getting a second rinse on them now. I do miss the old Cheer, it cleaned really well, and wasn't too strong in scent.

Also the Tide Color Defense has a very strong very long lasting "fresh scent" to it. It is just pungent. But I'm sure there were a few Karens that loved the smell of it. Unfortunately I have a whole bunch of it to go through. It did clean golf polos just fine. But I see zero reason to get that over Ultra Stain Release Free and Gentle and just finding a dryer sheet that has a scent that I like.


Post# 1029174 , Reply# 52   4/7/2019 at 03:11 by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        
Suds

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Every laundry detergent has a primary and a secondary washing effect which are both equally important.
The primary one is what we see immediately after the wash cycle is finished when visible stains have disappeared or not.
The secondary one will only show after numerous repeated washings. If whites get gray or when clothes develop a musty whiff while sitting in the closet for a longer period of time then it is clear that something went wrong with the secondary washing effect. This is also called redepositing.

If you use a sudsing detergent and don`t see suds it is very likely that redepositing happens. Stains might still vanish satisfactorily because not all stains require a lot of surfactants to be removed. Other non sudsing components of a detergent like alkali or enzymes might do the trick even if the detergent is severely underdosed. The problem is the stains are not rinsed away but rather evenly distributed on the whole wash load which might show sooner or later.

So seeing suds is an excellent way of judging if you have used enough detergent to keep oils suspended and rinsed away.
In a commercial setting on the other hand when you know exactly what type and amount of soil you are dealing with things might be different.

Also a good consumer magazine would never judge a detergent only based on test stripe results. (Primary washing effect only)


Post# 1029178 , Reply# 53   4/7/2019 at 06:35 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Many folks on another laundry discussion board I follow are so paranoid about (over)sudsing that they panic if there's more than two or three little bubbles. Some have reduced to ONE TEASPOON of detergent for a full load.

Post# 1029183 , Reply# 54   4/7/2019 at 08:06 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Wow, one teaspoon for a full load? That seems fairly extreme.

The self-dosing Maytag front-loader was parsimonious with detergent in softened water. I went ballistic with dosing when the 2017 SQ top-loader arrived, because I was freaked out by the amount of water the recommended dose had to contend with.

Iíve tempered my dosage substantially now that I use the spray-rinsing Normal Eco cycle for almost everything (after filling with true warm or hot water, of course) and have no complaints about the results.



Post# 1029892 , Reply# 55   4/14/2019 at 21:28 by ThatRobGuy (Maine)        

Lowes has the "Heavy Duty" on clearance right now, was able to get the 115 oz bottle for $9.95. Good price for Tide regardless. I was surprised how well it cleaned. It did a whole lot better than Tide Ultra, and the stuff was THICK. Scent wasn't too bad either, and did not leave a lasting scent. And most importantly, very very minimal suds. I'll wash another load tomorrow, and see how much suds it produces.

Persil was also on clearance for $7.98 for the normal sized bottle.



Post# 1029922 , Reply# 56   4/15/2019 at 07:51 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        
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Who knew?

www.lowes.com/pd/Tide-Hea...

tide.com/en-us/shop/type/liquid/...

Have not seen this version at any of local shops/supermarkets. But then again aren't exactly looking for yet *more* detergent to bring home. However am wildly curious!

So far looks as if only Lowest and Wally World have this version of Tide. Wonder if this is going to turn into another limited distribution Tide product like Target and Tide Ultra Free/Clear.









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