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Thread Number: 7912
Final Update on the Apex |
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Post# 152301 9/4/2006 at 11:23 (6,437 days old) by unimatic1140  (Minneapolis) |
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OK Everyone, there is very bad news, there is no Apex coming. I received a message today that confirmed that. I will let John explain what happened if he wishes to do so. So the search continues everyone! One day we will find one, I know that. Thanks for everyone's good wishes about this on the other threads. | ||
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Post# 152303 , Reply# 1 9/4/2006 at 11:28 (6,437 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 152306 , Reply# 2 9/4/2006 at 11:41 (6,437 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 152308 , Reply# 3 9/4/2006 at 11:46 (6,437 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Post# 152309 , Reply# 4 9/4/2006 at 11:46 (6,437 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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| Post# 152312 , Reply# 5 9/4/2006 at 11:48 (6,437 days old) by jerseymike () | ||
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What can I say? Oh, Robert! To say I'm so very sorry will be an understatement. :-( I hope that one day you get to experience the thrill of finding and restoring an Apex. Mike | ||
| Post# 152314 , Reply# 7 9/4/2006 at 11:57 (6,437 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK) | ||
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Oh no! I'm sorry to hear that Robert. But as others said I'm sure it'll come and hit you in the backside before you even know it! Good luck, and you WILL find it!!!! Jon | ||
| Post# 152315 , Reply# 8 9/4/2006 at 12:05 (6,437 days old) by compwhiz128 () | ||
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Thats a bummer...But one day you will find one! And it will be the most remembered thing on this message board. | ||
| Post# 152316 , Reply# 9 9/4/2006 at 12:09 (6,437 days old) by brettsomers () | ||
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hope you arent too dissapointed. 
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| Post# 152327 , Reply# 10 9/4/2006 at 12:45 (6,437 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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We will continue........... to search musty basements, dusty sheds. I have a hopeful feeling at least one will be found. arthur | ||
| Post# 152329 , Reply# 11 9/4/2006 at 12:56 (6,437 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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Post# 152340 , Reply# 12 9/4/2006 at 13:47 (6,437 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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| Post# 152344 , Reply# 13 9/4/2006 at 13:50 (6,437 days old) by hoover1060 () | ||
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S**T!!! I'm sorry Robert, I really am. You'll find one though, its out there and its waiting for you. {{HUGS}} Jeff | ||
| Post# 152350 , Reply# 14 9/4/2006 at 14:11 (6,437 days old) by christfr (st louis mo) | ||
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| Post# 152353 , Reply# 15 9/4/2006 at 14:13 (6,437 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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Hi Robert, Just know how sorry I am that this didn't work out for you. You are such a special guy though and I know that there is another Apex out there and somehow it will make its way to you!! Terry | ||
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Post# 152364 , Reply# 16 9/4/2006 at 15:07 (6,437 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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| Post# 152371 , Reply# 17 9/4/2006 at 15:50 (6,437 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm) | ||
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Be Like Two Fried Eggs, Kid Keep your sunny side up!!!! | ||
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Post# 152378 , Reply# 18 9/4/2006 at 16:49 (6,437 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 152381 , Reply# 19 9/4/2006 at 17:37 (6,437 days old) by brent-aucoin () | ||
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Robert that sucks! Sorry about that! I agree like everyone else here though, one will turn up! John, would love to hear your story. Brent | ||
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Post# 152397 , Reply# 20 9/4/2006 at 21:08 (6,437 days old) by jetaction (Minneapolis) |
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Keeping things in perspective................
I too feel bad for Robert that the machine didn't make it to Minneapolis, and yes, we will all help Robert find his dream machine. Let's not forget what is really important here folks. Another Apex will find us and we will move on. The tragic loss this weekend is not a bouncing basket Apex, but the sexual favors that were offered--all down the drain like yesterday's rinse water. Now they will be hard to find again.
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| Post# 152401 , Reply# 21 9/4/2006 at 21:25 (6,437 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
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| Post# 152402 , Reply# 22 9/4/2006 at 21:25 (6,437 days old) by brettsomers () | ||
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| Post# 152403 , Reply# 23 9/4/2006 at 21:29 (6,437 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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Post# 152406 , Reply# 24 9/4/2006 at 21:35 (6,437 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 152407 , Reply# 25 9/4/2006 at 21:38 (6,437 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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The tragic loss this weekend is not a bouncing basket Apex, but the sexual favors that were offered--all down the drain like yesterday's rinse water. Now they will be hard to find again. Well maybe not that hard Don ;) Thanks everyone, oh god all this drama, Search for Tomorrow couldn't have done it better. I'll let John tell the story of how the machines were "tragically stolen". [Insert Organ Music Here] | ||
| Post# 152409 , Reply# 26 9/4/2006 at 21:43 (6,437 days old) by brettsomers () | ||
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Post# 152411 , Reply# 27 9/4/2006 at 22:00 (6,437 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 152413 , Reply# 28 9/4/2006 at 22:10 (6,437 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 152415 , Reply# 29 9/4/2006 at 22:14 (6,437 days old) by brettsomers () | ||
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no eugene, that wont work! the only remedy is for robert to sit down with us and tell us EVERYTHING that happened. only then can robert begin to heal. | ||
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Post# 152416 , Reply# 30 9/4/2006 at 22:18 (6,437 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 152436 , Reply# 34 9/4/2006 at 23:46 (6,437 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Curiosity...
Did you get a copy of the police report? How did you possibly fit three washers into a Dodge Dakota? Robert has a 2005 Dodge Dakota and it's a comfortable size for two appliances but you must have had a giant shoe-horn to squeeze three machines into it let alone one of them being a 29 inch wide (or more) RCA Whirlpool. After mentioning to Robert that you were "loading your minivan" what was the need for renting a truck? I see the question of a side-trip to Aurora, IL has been posed, but it's curious that if one were to arbitrarily choose a point in the Chicagoland area, it would be prudent to at least pick one on the path to your final destination. After reading your "laundry list" of vintage machines you had found in your original posting a couple of months ago, why have you never bothered to offer one bit of evidence, photographic or otherwise that they actually exist? Especially after being asked for pictures repeatedly and having your credibility questioned, most would have moved heaven and earth to find a way. Going all the way back to that original posting and your asking questions like; "who wants..." and "who is going to help me divvy them up?" a few times, I find it absolutely incredible that you were offended to get emails from club members interested in machines. Since you clearly responded to NONE of those emails, you then were shocked and traumatized to have people actually point out the fact that you ignored them. If, as you claimed, the language, tone and content was less than appropriate, when asked for the copies and/or sender's info from these emails, you failed to provide them. Your utjj99 profile doesn't list the machines you have found but another profile under "westywashndry" does list a strikingly similar list of machines but different contact and personal info. Who are you? I know you are probably feeling vicimized and picked on, but this brief list of questions is intended to clarify your story for everyone of us, most especially Robert. Since your antics have directly involved not only our webmaster and friend, whom I'm sure you can see will be fiercly protected by the group, but all of us that have waited for the latest tidbit of information, pictures and the emminent arrival of these machines. We deserve the truth. I hope, for the sake of your reputation and standing in this group that what you say is true and you have legitimate and truthful answers. | ||
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Post# 152438 , Reply# 35 9/5/2006 at 00:01 (6,437 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Who would leave a laptop in the truck instead of with ones person in the hotel room? Surely the rental agency would have all the details needed about the stolen vehicle.... If you "spent the entire morning filing a police report," one could figure the time would then be 11 AM to 12 PM. Why would you have to sit "outside for an hour till they opened" at the car rental place? It shouldn't be too hard to spot a sparkling new pick-up truck loaded with three old washing machines. Assuming the perps dump the machines ... which one can reasonably figure they will, because who would want three old washers ... perhaps they'll be rescued. | ||
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Post# 152458 , Reply# 37 9/5/2006 at 04:52 (6,437 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 152460 , Reply# 38 9/5/2006 at 05:02 (6,437 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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| Post# 152478 , Reply# 42 9/5/2006 at 07:53 (6,437 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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Email I received from John after asking last night
Steve, Well I have yet to actually talk to Robert. I was in Aurora this morning on my way to Roberts. Woke up got ready and walked out of my motel and...............ah....something was missing like my rental truck...everyting that was in it such as my laptop..cell phone cable...small bag and yes two Apex washers and a RCA washer. I spent the entire morning filing a police report....which was fun seeing as how I didn't know its plate numbers or its vin number since all the rental papers were in the glove box. My cell phone died of course and I didn't have a charger and of course there were no stores open......so no way to get any numbers. After that I got dropped off at the only car rental place that would be open on Labor Day and sat outside for an hour till they opened and drove from Aurora to O'Hare Airport where I had to wait until 3:50 to get a flight back to Dayton which cost me $500. Then had to sit in Cincinnati for a 2 hour lay over. I just got home and have tried to call Rob but his phone is busy and I'm sure he is upset with me as is everyone else on the site but honestly..............what am I supposed to do. I have been second guessed and talked nasty about like I made all this shit up.....why would I do that. I offered him the machines for free........if I was truly out to do something evil don't you think I would have asked for money? Well, You are the only one to ask for my side so here I give it to you. John --- On Mon 09/04, STEVEN BOLLICH < sbollich@bellsouth.net > wrote: From: STEVEN BOLLICH [mailto: sbollich@bellsouth.net] To: icebluedevil@excite.com Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 21:31:23 -0500 Subject: Post Turd What is the deal with the Apex? Steve ps, hope you are feeling better after your health issues. _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - www.excite.com... The most personalized portal on the Web! | ||
| Post# 152499 , Reply# 44 9/5/2006 at 08:38 (6,437 days old) by westyslantfront () | ||
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Hi Robert. I am very sorry for the disappointment! It is my fervent wish that an Apex bounce-o-matic will come along soon for you. I am sorry for all that has gone on. Ross | ||
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Post# 152504 , Reply# 46 9/5/2006 at 09:15 (6,437 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Wow what an outpouring, thank you everyone, Jimmy I had no idea you had been through the wringer so to speak with this guy as well. I’ll add a few “inconsistencies” to the list: I have a 2005 Dodge Dakota, all Dodge Dakota has a system called “Sentry Key”, it has dropped the rate of theft among Dakotas and other Dodge vehicles by 90%. The key has a computer chip in it to communicate with the car, it the correct key is not inserted into the ignition, there is absolutely no way to start or hot wire this car. The only way to steal it is to tow it to a safe and take it apart. Are you telling us that someone had towed this car with 775lbs of washers in the back??? Oh please. I then drove from Aurora to O'Hare Airport where I had to wait until 3:50 to get a flight back to Dayton which cost me over $500. Then had to sit in Cincinnati for a 2 hour lay over. You told me and others you are from Columbus, the 2nd largest city in Ohio. Are you trying to tell us that you couldn't get a direct flight from Chicago O’Hare to Columbus? So you had to fly to Dayton then fly to Cincinnati, then fly a third time to Columbus????? Oh honey please you seemed smarter than that. I want everyone to realize that all along I was very suspicious of John, but I had spoken to him on the phone and as Jimmy said he seemed very kind and intelligent. I had spoke to him about five times and every time the story changed a bit. As I had previously told quite a few people, I figured there was less than 50% chance that this story was true, but since it is an Apex (yes supposedly two of them) and he described the machine rather well to me I would play along, if it turned out the be a big lie I was out nothing, but if it did turn out to be true I didn’t want to ruin it as I had no way of truly knowing. I also knew of the Westywashndry profile but still I thought I better just play along a little while longer to be sure. When he told me he would bring them out on Labor Day weekend I figured I would go along for just a few more weeks and we would then know the truth. I have since learned that John had offered our Jamie (pulsator) 15 restored vacuum cleaners for absolutely nothing. I do not like the fact that he was lying to me, but it makes me crazy to know that he was lying to some of our younger members. Jamie I hope you didn’t get your hopes up too high or anyone else that has had dealings with John. I received this heartfelt email from John late last night: Well, I'm sure you have now heard my story if not a little of it. I did post it on the site. I was going to call you but after reading your post I decided maybe you wouldn't want to talk to me. Honestly Robert you are one of the nicest people I have ever met in my entire life and the last thing I would do is make shit up to hurt you. I thought over our many phone conversations you would realize I would not do something like what I guess I'm being accused of doing. My day has been one of total hell and disappointment. I've had the only joy in the last few months of giving you those machines destroyed. If you want me to talk to you about this I will.........if you want me to prove it to you I will......whatever you want I will do it. So I will respond to John publicly and say, OK John we will give you just one more chance to prove it to all of us. If you can, I will be the first to apologize, but if you cannot then you will no longer be welcome here with us. As for that comment about sexual favors, Don and I were being silly, it was just a joke from a previous John thread. See this overly DRAMATIC thread in the 2006 archives: Thread #7185. I have to tell everyone that it is great honor to be part of this group, we are a family and we do stick together. I just know that we are going maintain our washer community for the rest of our lives. | ||
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| Post# 152515 , Reply# 50 9/5/2006 at 09:48 (6,437 days old) by hoover1060 () | ||
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wise words David, I commend you on your wisdom about letting this drop. Smart, very smart in NOT giving this character any more attention. He's had way too much already! | ||
| Post# 152541 , Reply# 54 9/5/2006 at 12:37 (6,436 days old) by lesto (Atlanta) | ||
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This is better than "Dynasty" and "Knots Landing" could have ever hoped to be. | ||
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Post# 152545 , Reply# 55 9/5/2006 at 12:49 (6,436 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 152557 , Reply# 58 9/5/2006 at 13:52 (6,436 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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Louis it is so funny that you mention Chad as I was thinking the very same thing!! Terry | ||
| Post# 152558 , Reply# 59 9/5/2006 at 13:55 (6,436 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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Bethann - you go girl!! | ||
| Post# 152571 , Reply# 61 9/5/2006 at 15:07 (6,436 days old) by oldwasherguy (Ladson SC) | ||
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| Post# 152576 , Reply# 62 9/5/2006 at 15:41 (6,436 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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| Post# 152577 , Reply# 63 9/5/2006 at 15:45 (6,436 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas) | ||
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Lurking as usual..... I was just watching this all unfold.....BethAnn, I am literally grinning from ear to ear. You Go GURL !!! Definitely glad I am on your side...... Sorry for your disappointment Robert, Glad that it was not a total surprise to you. | ||
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Post# 152585 , Reply# 64 9/5/2006 at 16:11 (6,436 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Bethann,easy girlfriend,don't blow a gasket.....8^) We go to a automotive swapmeet just south of Madison WI. twice a year.Living in Northern Indiana,we gotta transverse Chicago to get there.Last time we went VIA Aurora,I94 to I294,to I88,past Aurora out to DeKalb,and then up I39,into Rockford Then back on I90/94.Much longer way to go,both mileage wise,and time wise. But it can be done....... kennyGF | ||
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Post# 152631 , Reply# 67 9/5/2006 at 19:10 (6,436 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Very disappointing for you Robert
I have been watching this saga over the past couple of months and find it so unbelievable that people could play such mind games on a site like this. I do feel very sorry for you Robert, I would feel the same way if i was promised one of my dream machines and nothing eventuated. I can believe and have experienced guys playing games on gaydar, but it shouldn't happen on here. Cheers Leon | ||
| Post# 152632 , Reply# 68 9/5/2006 at 19:11 (6,436 days old) by hoover1060 () | ||
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I'm with GregM I loved Bethann's post... She pretty much said what I was thinking! | ||
| Post# 152633 , Reply# 69 9/5/2006 at 19:13 (6,436 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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I just love the way this group can turn a disaster into a good time....just like the warm, loving family we've all become!!! | ||
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Post# 152635 , Reply# 70 9/5/2006 at 19:15 (6,436 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Please excuse this complete change in topic for a moment, but in Robert's last post on this thread (#152504) is anyone else seeing question marks encased in a black diamond shape where there should be an apostrophe (example: I'll)? I've noticed this twice in the past couple of days. Again, sorry for pulling this so far off topic, but I'm wondering if anyone else is seeing this anomaly. | ||
| Post# 152637 , Reply# 71 9/5/2006 at 19:33 (6,436 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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I just love the way this group can turn a disaster into a good time....just like the warm, loving family we've all become!!! | ||
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Post# 152638 , Reply# 72 9/5/2006 at 19:35 (6,436 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 152640 , Reply# 73 9/5/2006 at 19:37 (6,436 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 152643 , Reply# 75 9/5/2006 at 19:58 (6,436 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Related Well, this saga is quite related to the very essence of the club. Wouldn't it be a real life SOAP opera... I'm dying for the next episode! | ||
| Post# 152646 , Reply# 76 9/5/2006 at 20:13 (6,436 days old) by gregm () | ||
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soap indeed this is so tonya haaading (boston accent) | ||
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Post# 152656 , Reply# 77 9/5/2006 at 20:26 (6,436 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Luigi & Terry, I initially upon reading teh desire to share two free Apexes as well as RCA combos, had the same thoughts of Chad Miller. Thus, I kept my mouth (fingers) shut. I hardly even followed the thread(s) reagrding this until Thurs. or Fri. hoping against hope this not to happen to us again. Again, Robert, I can't say enough of what I feel inside--the loss, emptiness cuz I know it's still a pain and disappointment. I even wondered if this guy was Chad raising his ugly head. Bob
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Post# 152662 , Reply# 78 9/5/2006 at 20:30 (6,436 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 152688 , Reply# 81 9/5/2006 at 21:57 (6,436 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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| Post# 152697 , Reply# 83 9/5/2006 at 22:39 (6,436 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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Thank-you so much Bethann for what you said. It really needed to be said as I am sure this is the way most of us here have felt. Terry | ||
| Post# 152710 , Reply# 84 9/5/2006 at 23:33 (6,436 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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| Post# 152758 , Reply# 86 9/6/2006 at 08:06 (6,436 days old) by westyslantfront () | ||
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Hi Robert. Again, I am so sorry for your disappointment. As for John, Bethann expressed it well. And John is the big looser because he is missing out on being part of such a great group of people. I pray that an Apex will come your way. Ross | ||
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Post# 152860 , Reply# 94 9/6/2006 at 19:15 (6,435 days old) by historyman (Pittsburgh, PA/Aiken, SC) |
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Post# 152862 , Reply# 95 9/6/2006 at 19:34 (6,435 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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| Post# 153041 , Reply# 97 9/7/2006 at 15:15 (6,434 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!) | ||
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Post# 153057 , Reply# 98 9/7/2006 at 16:04 (6,434 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 153079 , Reply# 99 9/7/2006 at 18:33 (6,434 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River) | ||
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Post# 153081 , Reply# 100 9/7/2006 at 18:35 (6,434 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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EE= Evil Eye Chris, I think you're absolutely right; The next time someone claims to have an Apex, I'm guessing photos of said machine showing the front page of the day's newspaper, birth certificates, blood screens, DNA tests and polygraph results will all be required, LOL. And yes, even though all of us realize it was only a washing machine, it just seemed such an unnecessarily mean/weird thing to do to someone who has shared so much of his time and talent with us----all because some neurotic needed to be the center of attention. | ||
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Post# 153086 , Reply# 101 9/7/2006 at 18:42 (6,434 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT) |
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All because some neurotic need to be the center of attention | ||
| Post# 153092 , Reply# 102 9/7/2006 at 19:30 (6,434 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River) | ||
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| Post# 153110 , Reply# 103 9/7/2006 at 20:32 (6,434 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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still saddened myself by this .............. Not my intention to go off topic here. Is this the all time record number of posts in 4 days? gotta be close. alr2903 | ||
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Post# 153111 , Reply# 104 9/7/2006 at 20:32 (6,434 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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Well, I have been trying to avoid this thread as much as possible... It makes me nuts to think that someone is that sick! Robert, yes he did offer me 15 refurished Kirbys with attatchments and everything. I knew it was too good to be true and just ignored the email. Here is what he told me: Hello, I was looking through your pictures in your laundryroom post and I see you had a Sanitronic 50. Are you a Kirby lover? In my few years I have managed to gather about oh......15 Kirbys with all there parts, accessories, shampooers, handi butlers and so forth. There is a Tradition, sani 80, omega, classic, classic 3,etc.... Well, to make a long story short........I'm very sick and well they are sitting in storage and well I would rather they go to a good home where I know they would be loved then to a yard sale and scattered to the four winds. If you want them let me know. They are in Toledo so it wouldn't be a major drive to get them. Thanks, John It was quite a shock to learn from Austin that it was the same person that offered you the Apex! -Jamie | ||
| Post# 153116 , Reply# 105 9/7/2006 at 20:41 (6,434 days old) by hoover1060 () | ||
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some truth in that email... "I'm very sick..." Yeah ain't that the truth. I'm as floored as everyone is, I thought I'd seen it all but this guy changed my mind there. Word has been put out on the vacuumland site as well. | ||
| Post# 153183 , Reply# 106 9/8/2006 at 07:01 (6,434 days old) by bosch2460 (Harrisonburg, VA) | ||
Robert...I am sorry for your disppointment due to this ass-face. I do not post on here too often, and I am little behind reading the posts (obviously). Those who know me from here, know that I have the filthiest mouth on Earth and I have a few choice words for this shit bird who screwed you over; but I will do my best to constrain myself. :) Talk about getting screwed and having nothing to show for it. Jeez. I hope someone rips him a new asshole....and that he won't enjoy it. Karma is a bitch anyway. Again, Robert, sorry about your Apex loss. One day you will have your wish. I will wear all black today to mourn for you. LOL. Take care everyone. Joel | ||
| Post# 153207 , Reply# 108 9/8/2006 at 10:10 (6,434 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!) | ||
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| Post# 153239 , Reply# 109 9/8/2006 at 15:04 (6,433 days old) by gmmcnair (Portland, OR) | ||
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You know what bugs me the most about all of this.... | ||
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Post# 153248 , Reply# 110 9/8/2006 at 15:59 (6,433 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Lucy-- YOU GOT ALOT OF 'SPLAININ TO DO!! | ||
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