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Thread Number: 79185
/ Tag: Irons and Mangles
Here's A New Angle To Sell Ironers |
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Post# 1031061 4/28/2019 at 06:25 (1,823 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 1031080 , Reply# 2 4/28/2019 at 11:03 (1,823 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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Let's put it this way from first hand knowledge: cleanliness levels are so superior in Eureopean countries compared to ours! Never saw an ironer in use, but who's knows! I so miss my Miele ironer that's in storage!! G | ||
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Post# 1031083 , Reply# 3 4/28/2019 at 11:31 (1,823 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Here is more about it.
www.machine-a-coudre.fr/r... One of the names it is sold under is Gritzner, an old sewing machine company that was taken over by Pfaff at some time IIR. | ||
| Post# 1031085 , Reply# 4 4/28/2019 at 12:03 (1,823 days old) by Michaelman2 (Lauderdale by the Sea, FL) | ||
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Pfaff Ironer Laundress, isn’t that the ironer that was built from the Ironrite design? Open ended on both sides of the roller and center mounted roller. I remember in an ironer discussion years ago someone brought up another reason linens were ironed and this was for sanitation. I would imagine this would help keep things in a nursery or pre-school “cleaner”. | ||
| Post# 1031089 , Reply# 5 4/28/2019 at 13:55 (1,822 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California) | ||
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Miele sells (home use) rotary irons in the USA. Are any other brands sold here, other than commercial models? www.williams-sonoma.com/p... | ||
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Post# 1031092 , Reply# 7 4/28/2019 at 14:40 (1,822 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Pfaff Literally Made "Ironrite" Type Ironers
Using the expired patents from the defunct Ironrite company. Early models look nearly exactly like my portable Ironrite 890.
See: www.shpock.com/en-gb/i/XB... www.ricardo.ch/de/a/buegelmaschi... www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anze... Pfaff was eventually gobbled up by a venture capital company (same one that owned Singer), and it was a horrible day for sewing machine enthusiasts. Factories and inventory at main headquarters in Germany were promptly emptied out of all remaining inventory and or anything else of "old" Pfaff. New machines, parts, mother boards, etc...all joined office furnishings (right down to clocks on walls) that went into bins to be rubbished. Some loyal Pfaff employees and enthuaisits tried to save what they could, but that was that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfaff... Pfaff long ceased making ironers. A company called Holek now produces them under a variety of brand names such as Singer, Ironnette and others. www.mangelwaren.de/Steam-... www.schanbacher.de/ironnette-85.... You can see from this video that same woman as in above kindergarten film is demonstrating the Ironnette. They've used a British announcer as voice over giving directions. Personally wouldn't bother with these new "Pfaff styled" ironers. Not when can get an Ironrite almost for nothing (literally) here in the states. In Europe there are tons of old Pfaff ironers being offered up especially in Germany. Most can be had for very little money, certainly far less than what an Ironnette goes for new. | ||
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Post# 1031093 , Reply# 8 4/28/2019 at 14:52 (1,822 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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@Passatdoc
As noted only "new" rotary irons for domestic use sold in USA besides Miele are those Pfaff clones being sold under various brand names (Singer, Verve, etc...).
Pfaff ironers on this side of pond are rare (I've scored two; saw a third but let it go), and personally if space isn't an issue I'd recommend getting an Ironrite. You can find late model 95's all over often for very little money. Someone in PA was literally giving theirs away on CL with no takers. Steam function for an ironer is a gimmick IMHO. Commercial laundries never have and still don't use; but rather simply iron damp things dry. Besides it takes quite a lot of power to both generate steam (in any decent amount) and provide heat for ironing. My large Pfaff pulls > 2.5Kw, so cannot imagine what an American ironer does limited to 120v at maybe 15amps. | ||
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Post# 1031144 , Reply# 9 4/28/2019 at 20:20 (1,822 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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How common are these ironers in Europe anyway?
Had a detailed response typed out, hit "enter" and got the dreaded "Error 500" message, so am done on that score. *LOL*
Basically yes, there is a decent market for ironers/mangles in Europe. Not large as once was, but never the less demand seems to exist far more than in USA. Germany and some eastern European countries come to mind. There is even a company called Mangelwaren who sells refurbished and new ironers/mangles with worldwide shipping. Also at least in Germany you can still find plenty of "ironing services"; that is places where you take freshly laundered things to be ironed. buegelservice-engen.de/... | ||
| Post# 1031145 , Reply# 10 4/28/2019 at 20:23 (1,822 days old) by Michaelman2 (Lauderdale by the Sea, FL) | ||
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Yep. | ||
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Post# 1031540 , Reply# 13 5/2/2019 at 06:51 (1,819 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Out sourcing laundry is big on this side of pond as well.
Hotels, hospitals, restaurants, etc... Changes in labor laws beginning in 1970's or so, rising cost of labor/supplies and fact laundries are both a capital and ongoing expense just made sending things out cheaper/easier. Many places don't even own their linen any longer; rather the linen service who does the washing.
For households or small businesses that generate a good amount of linen wanting ironing, a mangle/ironer isn't a bad investment. Can really cut down on laundry expenses. Miele is probably the only one still making a high quality ironer for domestic and or light commercial use. That "Verve" or whatever ironer isn't in same ballpark. | ||
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Post# 1031590 , Reply# 15 5/2/2019 at 16:24 (1,818 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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It can go either way
Many large healthcare or hotel/hospitality systems have their own laundries. Disney World in Florida comes to mind, as do many large hospital networks.
Tunnel washer and other technology is rapidly changing the "commercial" or industrial laundry game. It is now possible to process thousands of pounds of linens/textiles per hour with comparatively few workers. All this with being more environmentally friendly in terms of resources/energy used. What this does is lead to ever more consolidation in commercial laundry business. If one plant can process hundreds of thousands of pounds per day, and do it for less than another, guess who is going to get business? All this being said outsourcing laundry still brings same issues as sending things out always has; you don't have direct control over quality, turn around time can mean shortages. For those and various other reasons you still see some hospitals, hotels and other places with in house laundry facilities. | ||
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Post# 1031653 , Reply# 16 5/3/2019 at 04:36 (1,818 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I remember that some well to do people or big households had one at home. Neighbours, a family with 9 children had a Siemens IIRC. Their housekeeper would do some ironing on it now and then. Most people don't iron anymore as it was done in the past. Only shirts get ironed in a lot of households, the reason for the appearance on dedicated shirt ironers on the market.
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Post# 1031704 , Reply# 17 5/3/2019 at 16:09 (1,817 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Long used in commercial laundries, those inflatable shirt pressing devices are now showing up for home use. Some are rubbish, but others look a bit more promising.
Problem is many of these units sold for domestic market are vastly under powered and thus cannot supply enough heat and air to get the job done quickly, and or with good results. Ones sold for North American market being restricted to 120v power fall into this category. By the time one sets things up, then waits for the usually > ten minutes for machine to do its work would have been faster to just iron shirt by hand. | ||
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Post# 1032187 , Reply# 19 5/9/2019 at 06:24 (1,812 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Press versus Ironer (Mangle)
Choice depends upon many factors.
Pressing and ironing are two different things. Have an Elnapress along with a vintage Hurley (quasi commercial) press. Prefer the latter because it has higher wattage of heating power, a cast iron/aluminum shoe that not only gets hot, but retains heat. The darned Elnapress constantly has to keep heating because contact with cool washing lowers shoe temperature. Also the Hurley press has a larger buck, so can do larger flatwork items and even shirts with less moving things about (lays) than the Elna. All this being said it comes down really to what one is "pressing" or "ironing". Knits, t-shirts, woolens, velvets, and some other things ought to be pressed and not ironed. Anything where movement of ironing would cause fabric to distort, create a shine and so forth. Things with pleats such as a skirt are often best done on a press. Better presses exert great amounts of force easily penetrating several layers of cloth. Thus instead of having to run a wide/long thing like table cloth or sheet through four passes; one can fold the thing into quarters and press. Of course commercial presses are large enough to accommodate such things folded only once, but no domestic press ever has had a buck that large. Some prefer presses over an ironer because material cannot get away from you creating cat whiskers and other unwanted creases. This old video shows a shirt being done at a commercial laundry using a press. Some of the equipment is basically the same. Doing a shirt on a press IMHO is easier than an ironer. But then again in a commercial setting then and now various parts of a shirt have their own special press; cuffs, collars, sleeves, front/back and yoke. Can whizz through ten to 12 t-shirts in < 20 minutes on either of my presses. movingimage.nls.uk/film/0434... My Hurley press has a buck about size of the Blanca press shown in video. Thus doing things like flatwork and shirts is pretty much the same. | ||
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Post# 1032234 , Reply# 21 5/9/2019 at 17:37 (1,811 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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For anything but the smallest flatwork
Napkins, towels, tea cloths, pillow slips, etc... You are either must resign to folding and pressing in creases, or spending ages maneuvering things around to avoid.
Truth to tell those using both domestic ironers and presses have that same issue. Neither are sold today in widths anywhere near large enough to accommodate even twin sheets folded just the once. So you have to either get used to ironed in creases or sit yourself down for prolonged periods of ironing. Trick then becomes keeping freshly ironed/pressed sections from becoming mussed while moving onto other parts. | ||
| Post# 1032269 , Reply# 22 5/10/2019 at 06:04 (1,811 days old) by Iej (.... ) | ||
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I don't iron any of those. I iron pillow cases but I do bed linen like this: Take out of dryer .. straight onto bed. Iron bed with steam generator. | ||
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Post# 1032271 , Reply# 23 5/10/2019 at 06:28 (1,811 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well yes, you could do things that way.
Tumble drying largely replaced ironing upon their wide introduction and spread into homes or commercial laundries. Most housewives/homes sent men's shirts out and everything else went into dryer.
All of my household linens are just that; made from linen or hemp, and none of it goes into dryer. Things are either cold mangled or ironed (by hand or machine). | ||
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