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Post# 1031441   5/1/2019 at 02:22 by Smurdle450 (California)        

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So, Iíve just been made aware of a new speed queen washer that recently hit the internet, the TC5. My understanding is that this is a classic speed queen, with the transmission, tub brake, and no lid-lock... and is being made in 2019, as an all-new model. Is this really happening? Is speed queen really coming back with a vengeance? If so Iím really excited for this...

Post# 1031443 , Reply# 1   5/1/2019 at 02:52 by Smurdle450 (California)        
Oh no!

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I apologize, in my haste of being really excited to have just found this out I posted not realizing that this had already been posted on another thread. Sorry!

Post# 1031450 , Reply# 2   5/1/2019 at 06:31 by PinkPower4 (USA)        
One of the first looks at the Speed Queen TC5000WN soon...

Kirk Rivas will have a review today on it.


Post# 1031451 , Reply# 3   5/1/2019 at 06:51 by chetlaham (United States)        

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Thank you! And don't be sorry OP.

I still think this is a very lucid dream lol.

Post# 1031455 , Reply# 4   5/1/2019 at 08:28 by DE409 (Maryland)        

Will there be a matching dryer?

Post# 1031456 , Reply# 5   5/1/2019 at 09:30 by Smurdle450 (California)        
Matching dryer

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Yes, I do believe there will be a matching dryer, since the control panel is a different color I would expect a matching dryer to go with it.

Post# 1031457 , Reply# 6   5/1/2019 at 09:51 by DE409 (Maryland)        

Yay! Hopefully as simple and durable as the washer.

Post# 1031474 , Reply# 7   5/1/2019 at 14:53 by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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Impressive. The new controls with the old wash system and auto load sensing.
I wonder how that works on a trans system?

And look Ma! No indexing OR tub leaning!

Post# 1031475 , Reply# 8   5/1/2019 at 15:10 by smurdle450 (California)        
No load sensing

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This machine has NO load sensing. Rather, it has 2 options, deep fill off, and deep fill on. My understanding is that with deep fill off the machine fills slightly lower (a few inches), while on deep-fill it goes all the way up. I could be wrong but I can confirm that it has no load sensing.

Post# 1031476 , Reply# 9   5/1/2019 at 15:15 by DE409 (Maryland)        

Watched the Rivas video, interesting. I wonder how much water with deep fill off vs my Maytag Centennial?

Post# 1031478 , Reply# 10   5/1/2019 at 15:29 by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA)        

If I'm not mistaken, they're adding this model to their residential lineup. Is this true?

Post# 1031479 , Reply# 11   5/1/2019 at 15:32 by henene4 (Germany)        
Load sensing

Could in theory be perfectly well done on a transmission system, you'd just need an inverter motor as well which would push up the cost in conjunction with the transmission.

Thing is that transmissions were used to overcome motor shortcommings that were now solved by inverter technology.
If you use the one, using the other as well would basicly mostly just waste money so to speak.

Post# 1031480 , Reply# 12   5/1/2019 at 15:41 by DE409 (Maryland)        

Yes the TR will still be available.

Post# 1031488 , Reply# 13   5/1/2019 at 18:40 by appnut (TX)        

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I think SQ has a winner again.  Although with only an energy level of $9/year, I wonder how dumbed down the water temps are or how else did they arrive at that--maybe using normal/eco the majority of the time.  


I think the spray rinse started too soon before all the wash water was drained out of the tub.  Should have waited until close to full spin speed for spray rinse.  

Post# 1031492 , Reply# 14   5/1/2019 at 18:46 by smurdle450 (California)        

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I highly doubt the water temperatures are dumbed down, with the exception of the normal Eco cycle, where the temps are almost certainly dumbed down... They still have to comply to the regulations somehow...

Post# 1031498 , Reply# 15   5/1/2019 at 19:42 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
New-Old SQ TL Washer

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This machine uses completely electronic controls, SQ has used this more reliable control system on all their FL machines for almost 20 years and they have used this CS on Commercial TL washers for many years.


The energy guide is based on the Normal-Eco cycle, which only really uses cold wash water and a spray rinse.


I am sure we will sell a lot of these washers, however they are going to try to limit sales because they need to sell the new design machines they invested so much in.


And while the new ECs will make it more reliable, the machine still has a lousy spin drain and no two piece agitator so you will never see one in my laundry room with so many better slightly used machines available.


The Ship has sailed on new TL washers there is not a single great choice available currently.


John L.

Post# 1031503 , Reply# 16   5/1/2019 at 19:55 by Supersurgilator (Indiana)        

I also noticed the early spray rinse, but you have to remember that this was an empty tub which would have more water in it than if it was full of clothes, so chances are the water would have spun out from a full load by the time the spray rinse started.

Post# 1031504 , Reply# 17   5/1/2019 at 20:07 by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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i wonder what the electronic control model will look like seem intressting to see if the electronic control model will be no lid lock as well

Post# 1031506 , Reply# 18   5/1/2019 at 20:37 by chetlaham (United States)        
Lousy spin drain

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I have to disagree. Every neutral drain washer I had left a ring of caked on scum around the basket and agitator that unless cleaned regularly was almost impossible to remove. I've noticed no difference in cleaning or lint or hair left behind at the end of the cycle between a neutral drain vs a spin drain- in fact I'd say I've noticed potentially less on the spin drainer.

Yes there is no DA, but it still out cleans many other washers I've owned or tried like the Maytag dependable cares.

This machine is far from a mediocre toploader. It is among some of the best if you ask me and nothing can beat the suspension which all other top loaders do not even come close.

@Supersurgilator: Yes, I noticed that too. For some reason they keep putting the spin drain very early on. I say early because on delicate, at least on my machine it triggers while its still draining. I see no harm in placing it 30 seconds latter. Perhaps they want to reduce spraying upwards? Don't know.

Post# 1031509 , Reply# 19   5/1/2019 at 21:36 by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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Very interesting. I wonder if thereís some weird regulatory quirk that is resulting in the deep fill option. This essentially gives it two water levels: the lower default and the higher deep fill. It seems to me it could use less water if they had a regular water level adjuster with three or more water levels so that the water level could be set more accurately.

It looks like the wash time cannot be adjusted. I suppose the heavy soil option will increase the wash time, but you canít use it with an extra rinse.

It looks like it has a 180į agitation stroke. Didnít it used to be 210į?

Post# 1031518 , Reply# 20   5/1/2019 at 23:24 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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Joe_in _philly Speed Queen washers had a 180 degree agitation stroke, and it was about the same as the old helical Maytag transmissions were. They say 210 degree agitation stroke, but it is a 180 degree agitation stroke

Post# 1031541 , Reply# 21   5/2/2019 at 06:57 by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Two Water Levels & Question about Mode Shifter?

I posted under Kirk Rivas' premiere review for the TC5 about the two water levels, so I will not repost that here. However, I would rather have two water levels that work well for medium and large loads than to have a variable water level control that does not add enough water (thinking of those models sold in the big box stores).

Speed Queen Classic is a win for me. It took what I liked about the Maytag mvwp575gw and improved it. No automatic temperature control and no lid lock means less parts to fail and replace. Two waters levels that work will all load types. Better build quality in terms of transmission and other parts. The design in nice and stylish too. I do like that agitator style better than the one in the SQ 2017 model. It will be interesting to see how Maytag responds to this.

For the most flexibility regarding smaller loads, one may find a portable washer fills that niche well. I am not sure that I will part with the one I have in the fall when my child goes off to finish her post-graduate education and moves into an apartment.

I do wish the Speed Queen had the mechanical timers. I realize they fail too, but they are less expensive to replace and not as quirky with electrical issues. I agree with others that since they used a control board, a timer should have been included. According to others, Speed Queen has built in protectors for their control boards. Does anyone know if that is true for the TR5? If so, the TC5 may have that too.

I am looking forward to reviews from users and washer enthusiasts. Although I am happy with my Maytag, I probably will try and get one of these Speed Queens before they have to be discontinued because of the newer regulations in 2021??? I have room for two washers. It is hard to believe they plan on making washers even more non functional than they already are. It sounds like this is a limited edition though. I don't know if there will be variations of it either for that reason. Maybe it will determine whether they go forward with a transmission design or agitub one in the future or have both available. I seriously thought about getting one of the older ones, but I would have to order online. There is only a parts warranty too.

The Maytag mvwp575gw uses an shifter/actuator. This part is why the tub and agitator can move separate. It also has a splutch and simple transmission (also known as gearcase). Does anyone know how Speed Queen accomplishes this with the TC5?

Post# 1031546 , Reply# 22   5/2/2019 at 07:55 by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
Spray Rinse

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For some reason, my Speed Queen's wash spin out on all cycles is on low speed.  When the spray rinse kicks in, there is still wash water in the outer tub.  I wonder if SQ designed it that way to ensure that more water is forced through the clothes.  I wonder too if the tub is spinning at full speed if too much water is simply deflected away.  I'm not an engineer, so I don't know.

Post# 1031549 , Reply# 23   5/2/2019 at 09:10 by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        
This dont impress me much!

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Speed Queen has always had, and always will have a 210 degree agitation stroke from their transmissions, from the Arc-Q-Matic to the EverSmoothÖ.if you ever been to a show room where they had the transmission on display with the crank handle, clearly measuring the 210 degree stroke, even our own Jon Charles did a demonstration showing the full stroke....

this model still has the issues of the old one of poor rinsing and extraction, none of that has been it was in the TR5

we have not seen all of the cycles and functions incorporated into this so called 'new' design....but most likely the DeepFill is for the rinse fill it was in the past models, other wise you would only get a spin rinse for most cycles...

there would have to be some sort of auto temp control in order to have a 'COOL' wash....don't you think?

give them time, but I would like to see the TR5 crossed with TC3 in terms of the base unit....

ask any repairman, a water level selection is nice, but a machine will last longer if you run full loads each time....note: that's what happens in a laundromat!

I am with John on this, not a machine I would care to own or use, nothing special about this machine that I have not experienced with the others....

how many of you guys plan on buying one? many of the older models have you owned in order to compare?

as with anything, this is a new model of sorts...a PROTOYPE...which is going to have issues, concerns, and pros/cons at the start....lets see what happens

Post# 1031551 , Reply# 24   5/2/2019 at 09:27 by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Cool Wash

My guess is that SQ attempts to add 35% hot for a Cool wash by allowing the hot water to come in for a set amount of time. There is no mention of a thermistor. This is how I manually control the temp on my Maytag since I disabled the ATC. Timed.

Nothing will be made again like it used to be, but I am of the opinion the TC5 and Maytag mvwp575 gw are the top 2 TL. I prefer TL for several reasons.

Post# 1031570 , Reply# 25   5/2/2019 at 11:48 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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There's no reason from an engineering angle that SQ couldn't have included a water level control to provide a choice of load sizes.† I have four electronic toploaders (one Whirlpool, four Fisher & Paykel) that have five water level selections.† If they can do it, SQ can do it.† The F&Ps have a wide range from lowest to highest (not much difference between med-high and high, tho).

I could not work with this type of machine, either the SQ or the Maytag, that has no reasonable water level control.† I don't understand how they pass muster for being on the market against the alarmism about water conservation, such as the Maytag with no choice but a full-fill on four of the five cycles.

There are several ways to design a mechanism to allow separate movement of the agitator and spin basket on a toploader.† I imagine SQ uses the classic method of an agitator shaft (driven by the geared transmission) concentric with a spin shaft (to which the basket is anchored) that is locked from turning by a brake when the motor/drive pulley rotates in one direction ... brake releases and the entire transmission with spin shaft rotates together when the motor runs in the other direction.

Maytag MVWP575G and other WP/MT VMW machines have the transmission stationary with the splutch (splined clutch) serving to engage (or disengage) a basket drive cog onto the surface of the drive pulley.† The drive pulley rotates only the inner shaft for agitation when the splutch is disengaged (the basket free-spins), and rotates both shafts when the splutch is engaged. There is no spin brake.

There are other methods.

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Post# 1031572 , Reply# 26   5/2/2019 at 11:57 by thomasward00 (KENTWOOD)        
This is simply a stopgap washer

SQ released this to quiet the internet crybabies, the ship has sailed on the old wash action.

After 8 months with my TR5 for me the advantages are, Quiet operation, the TR's are VERY quiet, when using Autofill it saves water, I have a septic system. My old washer that the SQ replaced was an old school agitator and the TR5 is much easier on clothing, the difference is noticable.

My dealer will list this for $1029.00 with a 3 year warranty, you can buy a TR7 for $999.00 with a 7 year warranty. That is a big difference.

Post# 1031588 , Reply# 27   5/2/2019 at 16:10 by Supersurgilator (Indiana)        

The reason for the low speed spin after the wash is for water savings. I noticed this on machines made several years ago, it won't spin as much water out of the clothes, hence they don't need to add as much water for the rinse fill. Even commercial extractors in the laundromat no longer do a spin after the wash or first rinse, just the final spin. They can be set up for such but thats how the default cycle works so the clothes are still soaking wet after each phase.

Post# 1031591 , Reply# 28   5/2/2019 at 16:44 by jerrod6 (United States of America)        

I am not sure there are any new regulations but I think the energy star ratings are based off the cycle named Normal so in this case, the Normal ECO cycle is the one with the limited fill and perhaps limited temperature.

My Miele washer has the Normal cycle but it does not heat the water as much as the rest of the cycles on the machine, and other options that may increase water or electrical use are not operational on the cycle. I think it is great to see Speed Queen give consumers an option to use a deep fill if they want to.

Post# 1031596 , Reply# 29   5/2/2019 at 18:51 by PinkPower4 (USA)        


Thank you for the explanation about how the washers work and for taking time to post the pictures. I have learned so much from all the great people here and the ones that take the time to do the reviews. I do not understand why they did not add a water level switch. Until I disabled the ATC on the Maytag, I was having to use a full tub for washes that just needed warmer water. I agree with you 110%. I just wasn't sure if technically it could still be done. Wow. That is just frustrating!

After seeing what available in the big box stores, I am just so thankful I got a Maytag mvwp575gw topload that has plenty of water and that gets the type of loads I do clean. It will be so much easier for *me* to fix too. The Maytag is not as automatic (it requires manual user intervention) as the Speed Queen, but I can pretty much do the same thing with it for less money and a better warranty. However, Speed Queen improved at least on some of the main concerns with the Maytag (ATC, half tub wash for any cycle, temp choice for any cycle, build quality, and more). I was glad to see that. Competition is good as it will now raise the bar for the Maytag to respond, which they will probably offer for around the same price as this model. My typical consumer reaction is probably Speed Queen hopes to address with the "Classic". The bottom line is it is one of the best new topload available for sale even with its shortcomings. I actually had a real Whirlpool set just over ten years ago. I do know what I am missing :-(.

I will probably get the best of whatever topload is available before the next set of restrictions go in place. But by then, I will have had more time with the Maytag to see how much durability is really an issue given that I am treating mine very carefully.

Are any of the washers you mentioned still being made and available for sale? I will have to check out the F&Ps.


The TRs series was improved in 2019. I like the autofill, and agitub design seems durable. I can see why some people would really like it, but not everyone has the same needs.

It wasn't that people just voiced their concerns, but they voted with their dollars. I believe the Maytag (a company with a current poor reputation for their other products) cut into Speed Queen's (a company with a current excellent reputation for quality) sales quite a bit. If the Maytag was not as good as it, I am not sure we would have ever seen the TC5 model. It looks like Speed Queen held back on adding a water level switch and offered less of a warranty possibly to give the TR series an edge. The TC series and TR series will be good choices for consumers depending on what their needs are.

Post# 1031600 , Reply# 30   5/2/2019 at 19:27 by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        
Internet Crybabies?

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If Speed Queen introduced this machine to placate internet crybabies, that would be a very poor business decision.  From what I understand, SQ experienced a significant drop in sales after the introduction of the new models last year.  Coupled with that, the machine also received poor ratings from Consumer Reports.  Like it or not, thousands of consumers rely on CR to make purchase decisions.  It sounds like SQ may have had a corporate disaster on its hands.  Not only that, the company seems to have mysteriously pulled their FL models from the home market and now they're being reintroduced as well.  


As someone has already noted, it sounds a lot like the Coca Cola debacle back in the 80s when the company introduced the "New Coke" formulation.  Consumers turned on the company and Coca Cola rushed to re-introduce "Coke Classic."  New Coke just quietly went away.  I was working on an MBA in marketing at the University of Texas at the time.  We watched the situation carefully.  Coke did its taste test research and found that consumers preferred the taste of the new formula.  But the miscalculation they made was underestimating the loyalty and bond that consumers had with its classic formulation.  That may be Speed Queen's miscalculation as well.


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Post# 1031603 , Reply# 31   5/2/2019 at 19:42 by peteski50 (New York)        
Speed Queen!

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I hope they bring this style back and stop production on the adjtub models!

Post# 1031606 , Reply# 32   5/2/2019 at 19:50 by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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Speed Queen should really just stop making those agi-tub washers. They had to go back to the former design since the 2018 design was costing them more than the previous models, and sales went down that much to the point where they had to go back to the old design. If anything Speed Queen should consider redesigning their dryers since itís either damp dry or extra crispy with those dryers, and if I had a Speed Queen gas dryer I would probably throttle the burner so it wouldnít get so hot and ruin/scorch clothes

Post# 1031607 , Reply# 33   5/2/2019 at 20:01 by peteski50 (New York)        
Speed Queen!

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I noticed on the website they put the front loaders back I hope those will stay. But this TC5 model is not out their!

Post# 1031623 , Reply# 34   5/2/2019 at 22:34 by chetlaham (United States)        
Internet Crybabies

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There is no way a company would invest money and make lofty business decisions over what they can dismiss as internet trolls. Rather at the customer level they must see the impact- complaints from actual buyers, a drop in sales and possible returns leading them to reconsider what they thought was a good idea.

You may be happy with your TR5, as I can be Happy with a dependable care and many others were happy using D&M and GE dishwashers without filtration who rinsed dishes to start with. However, there is also real America. Working America. People who don't have time to rinse their dishes while enjoying a good london broil or potato casserole pie at 5pm. People who get their clothes dirty for a living like trades men making close to 100,000 a year. People with children who play sports or in the woods. People who like to go dirt bike or ATV riding. People taking care of elderly family or those who are sick soiling clothes often. Those people aren't a minority but a sizable chunk of the nation. They need a washer which can wash out dirt and do it fast. To them the added water and energy is not a problem rather a necessity.

Loosing them is a very bad business decision not only loosing their $$$$ but also the vocal opinion which they can conjure up steering even little old laddies away from a TR that would have made no difference to them.

Post# 1031660 , Reply# 35   5/3/2019 at 06:03 by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

Peteró I checked the SQ website last week and the new front-loaders hadnít appeared yet. Thanks for the heads-up. The 9-cycle, front-control FF7 has my name written all over it!

Post# 1031712 , Reply# 36   5/3/2019 at 16:37 by henene4 (Germany)        
Timer dryers

Wait, did I have a total memory collapse, or are these dryers with timers new?

Post# 1031716 , Reply# 37   5/3/2019 at 17:37 by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
SQ Dryers With Mechaneal Timers

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SQ has always had mechanical timer dryers, they have 2 or 3 models at the moment for home use in either gas or electric.



Post# 1031719 , Reply# 38   5/3/2019 at 18:08 by henene4 (Germany)        
Ah ok

Then my brain completly blanked them out.

So I would presume by the design and the labeling on the website these still use thermal auto dry sensing?

Post# 1031750 , Reply# 39   5/3/2019 at 23:56 by eldorradoboy (Columbus oh)        

I have a TR7 from 2019 and I have to say Iím pleased with the machine. I wanted a machine with lots of cycles and still the ability to select my own water levels.. I definitely didnít want another front loader.. I fought washing machine smell and pictures falling off my walls with an LG wm2688 for 13 years.. I still have that set for washing bed comforters and maybe if I want to run 2 loads at once .. the second dryer is handy..

I work on old school busses For fun.. think big truck diesel dirty is how I get.. the agitub seems to get my coveralls pretty clean.. for reference I took the same coveralls to a laundromat that has old style whirlpool commercial and another with old speed queen commercial and thereís no difference in how clean they get. My formula for really dirty greasy clothes is hot water. Full tub, a tide pod, a cascade dishwasher pod and a tablespoon of dawn liquid.. works every time..
Maybe the improvements for 2019 made it better? ( what are the improvements from the 2018 to 2019?) my wash action seems to sling things around pretty good. I donít get that supposedly coveted ďturnoverĒ at a high rate but the clothes make their way around and get contacted by each other and the agitator quite a bit. If thereís any negative in my mind it would be the neutral drain.. but the spray rinse is very early in the slow part of the spin so the clothes are easily rinsed which maybe negates the need for a spin drain. Oh and my cycle selection is to use heavy duty button medium soil hot/cold extra rinse and large load

As for a new transmission washer Iím not sure why?? When the old shape agitator could be fitted to the old style tub and use the 1hp inverter motor thatís in the TR series.. a clutch for the tub.. the inverter is more than capable of a fast 210 degree agitation with the tub in neutral. When itís time to spin engage the clutch and go. You still can keep the lid lock and go no brakes or use the inverter motor as a dynamic brake..

I suppose the commercial entities feel the old style mechanical system is more reliable than inverter motor?

My home air conditioners are 10 years old and have inverter compressors that have never been touched.. they run winter and summer as they heat too.

For all the complaints against the LG I have with odor and vibration as well as inferior cleaning( sweaty summer clothes smelling like butt after washing in the LG.. I can say it never broke down. The dryer finally just needed belt and drum rollers on that set.
lnverter motors are reliable and powerful and you could perform any type of wash action you like.

Post# 1031801 , Reply# 40   5/4/2019 at 16:20 by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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>> Although I am happy with my Maytag, I probably will try and get one of these Speed Queens
>> before they have to be discontinued because of the newer regulations in 2021???

Anyone have any details on this? I hadn't heard of the new regulations, or what they would entail...

Post# 1031976 , Reply# 41   5/6/2019 at 19:38 by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
small question

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small question when do you think speed queen will update there website with the 2019 line of washers and dryers and nice to see just from the vid that they keep the modern look but went back to the old fashion agitation system and no lid lock models

Post# 1032788 , Reply# 42   5/16/2019 at 11:28 by deltablu (Eastern South Dakota)        
Just put our first set on the sales floor yesterday.

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Post# 1032811 , Reply# 43   5/16/2019 at 14:05 by LukeS (Charlotte, NC)        

The new standards go into effect 2024 I think (residential regulations) (commercial regulations) (discusses 2018 standard) (all residential appliances)

I wonder if they are trying to clear some stock of the 2018 & 2019 residential machines

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