Thread Number: 79215
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Post# 1031441   5/1/2019 at 02:22 (1,815 days old) by Smurdle450 (California)   |   | |
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So, I’ve just been made aware of a new speed queen washer that recently hit the internet, the TC5. My understanding is that this is a classic speed queen, with the transmission, tub brake, and no lid-lock... and is being made in 2019, as an all-new model. Is this really happening? Is speed queen really coming back with a vengeance? If so I’m really excited for this...
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Post# 1031443 , Reply# 1   5/1/2019 at 02:52 (1,815 days old) by Smurdle450 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 1031450 , Reply# 2   5/1/2019 at 06:31 (1,814 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)   |   | |
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Kirk Rivas will have a review today on it. CLICK HERE TO GO TO PinkPower4's LINK |
Post# 1031451 , Reply# 3   5/1/2019 at 06:51 (1,814 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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Post# 1031455 , Reply# 4   5/1/2019 at 08:28 (1,814 days old) by DE409 (Maryland)   |   | |
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Will there be a matching dryer? |
Post# 1031456 , Reply# 5   5/1/2019 at 09:30 (1,814 days old) by Smurdle450 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 1031457 , Reply# 6   5/1/2019 at 09:51 (1,814 days old) by DE409 (Maryland)   |   | |
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Yay! Hopefully as simple and durable as the washer. |
Post# 1031474 , Reply# 7   5/1/2019 at 14:53 (1,814 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)   |   | |
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Post# 1031475 , Reply# 8   5/1/2019 at 15:10 (1,814 days old) by smurdle450 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 1031476 , Reply# 9   5/1/2019 at 15:15 (1,814 days old) by DE409 (Maryland)   |   | |
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Watched the Rivas video, interesting. I wonder how much water with deep fill off vs my Maytag Centennial? |
Post# 1031478 , Reply# 10   5/1/2019 at 15:29 (1,814 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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If I'm not mistaken, they're adding this model to their residential lineup. Is this true? |
Post# 1031480 , Reply# 12   5/1/2019 at 15:41 (1,814 days old) by DE409 (Maryland)   |   | |
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Yes the TR will still be available. |
Post# 1031488 , Reply# 13   5/1/2019 at 18:40 (1,814 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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I think SQ has a winner again. Although with only an energy level of $9/year, I wonder how dumbed down the water temps are or how else did they arrive at that--maybe using normal/eco the majority of the time.
I think the spray rinse started too soon before all the wash water was drained out of the tub. Should have waited until close to full spin speed for spray rinse. |
Post# 1031492 , Reply# 14   5/1/2019 at 18:46 (1,814 days old) by smurdle450 (California)   |   | |
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Post# 1031498 , Reply# 15   5/1/2019 at 19:42 (1,814 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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This machine uses completely electronic controls, SQ has used this more reliable control system on all their FL machines for almost 20 years and they have used this CS on Commercial TL washers for many years.
The energy guide is based on the Normal-Eco cycle, which only really uses cold wash water and a spray rinse.
I am sure we will sell a lot of these washers, however they are going to try to limit sales because they need to sell the new design machines they invested so much in.
And while the new ECs will make it more reliable, the machine still has a lousy spin drain and no two piece agitator so you will never see one in my laundry room with so many better slightly used machines available.
The Ship has sailed on new TL washers there is not a single great choice available currently.
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Post# 1031504 , Reply# 17   5/1/2019 at 20:07 (1,814 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 1031506 , Reply# 18   5/1/2019 at 20:37 (1,814 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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I have to disagree. Every neutral drain washer I had left a ring of caked on scum around the basket and agitator that unless cleaned regularly was almost impossible to remove. I've noticed no difference in cleaning or lint or hair left behind at the end of the cycle between a neutral drain vs a spin drain- in fact I'd say I've noticed potentially less on the spin drainer.
Yes there is no DA, but it still out cleans many other washers I've owned or tried like the Maytag dependable cares. This machine is far from a mediocre toploader. It is among some of the best if you ask me and nothing can beat the suspension which all other top loaders do not even come close. @Supersurgilator: Yes, I noticed that too. For some reason they keep putting the spin drain very early on. I say early because on delicate, at least on my machine it triggers while its still draining. I see no harm in placing it 30 seconds latter. Perhaps they want to reduce spraying upwards? Don't know. |
Post# 1031509 , Reply# 19   5/1/2019 at 21:36 (1,814 days old) by Joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)   |   | |
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Very interesting. I wonder if there’s some weird regulatory quirk that is resulting in the deep fill option. This essentially gives it two water levels: the lower default and the higher deep fill. It seems to me it could use less water if they had a regular water level adjuster with three or more water levels so that the water level could be set more accurately.
It looks like the wash time cannot be adjusted. I suppose the heavy soil option will increase the wash time, but you can’t use it with an extra rinse. It looks like it has a 180° agitation stroke. Didn’t it used to be 210°? |
Post# 1031518 , Reply# 20   5/1/2019 at 23:24 (1,814 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Post# 1031546 , Reply# 22   5/2/2019 at 07:55 (1,813 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)   |   | |
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For some reason, my Speed Queen's wash spin out on all cycles is on low speed. When the spray rinse kicks in, there is still wash water in the outer tub. I wonder if SQ designed it that way to ensure that more water is forced through the clothes. I wonder too if the tub is spinning at full speed if too much water is simply deflected away. I'm not an engineer, so I don't know. |
Post# 1031549 , Reply# 23   5/2/2019 at 09:10 (1,813 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Speed Queen has always had, and always will have a 210 degree agitation stroke from their transmissions, from the Arc-Q-Matic to the EverSmooth….if you ever been to a show room where they had the transmission on display with the crank handle, clearly measuring the 210 degree stroke, even our own Jon Charles did a demonstration showing the full stroke....
this model still has the issues of the old one of poor rinsing and extraction, none of that has been corrected...as it was in the TR5 we have not seen all of the cycles and functions incorporated into this so called 'new' design....but most likely the DeepFill is for the rinse fill only....as it was in the past models, other wise you would only get a spin rinse for most cycles... there would have to be some sort of auto temp control in order to have a 'COOL' wash....don't you think? give them time, but I would like to see the TR5 crossed with TC3 in terms of the base unit.... ask any repairman, a water level selection is nice, but a machine will last longer if you run full loads each time....note: that's what happens in a laundromat! I am with John on this, not a machine I would care to own or use, nothing special about this machine that I have not experienced with the others.... how many of you guys plan on buying one?...how many of the older models have you owned in order to compare? as with anything, this is a new model of sorts...a PROTOYPE...which is going to have issues, concerns, and pros/cons at the start....lets see what happens |
Post# 1031570 , Reply# 25   5/2/2019 at 11:48 (1,813 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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PinkPower4, There's no reason from an engineering angle that SQ couldn't have included a water level control to provide a choice of load sizes. I have four electronic toploaders (one Whirlpool, four Fisher & Paykel) that have five water level selections. If they can do it, SQ can do it. The F&Ps have a wide range from lowest to highest (not much difference between med-high and high, tho). I could not work with this type of machine, either the SQ or the Maytag, that has no reasonable water level control. I don't understand how they pass muster for being on the market against the alarmism about water conservation, such as the Maytag with no choice but a full-fill on four of the five cycles. There are several ways to design a mechanism to allow separate movement of the agitator and spin basket on a toploader. I imagine SQ uses the classic method of an agitator shaft (driven by the geared transmission) concentric with a spin shaft (to which the basket is anchored) that is locked from turning by a brake when the motor/drive pulley rotates in one direction ... brake releases and the entire transmission with spin shaft rotates together when the motor runs in the other direction. Maytag MVWP575G and other WP/MT VMW machines have the transmission stationary with the splutch (splined clutch) serving to engage (or disengage) a basket drive cog onto the surface of the drive pulley. The drive pulley rotates only the inner shaft for agitation when the splutch is disengaged (the basket free-spins), and rotates both shafts when the splutch is engaged. There is no spin brake. There are other methods. |
Post# 1031600 , Reply# 30   5/2/2019 at 19:27 (1,813 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)   |   | |
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If Speed Queen introduced this machine to placate internet crybabies, that would be a very poor business decision. From what I understand, SQ experienced a significant drop in sales after the introduction of the new models last year. Coupled with that, the machine also received poor ratings from Consumer Reports. Like it or not, thousands of consumers rely on CR to make purchase decisions. It sounds like SQ may have had a corporate disaster on its hands. Not only that, the company seems to have mysteriously pulled their FL models from the home market and now they're being reintroduced as well.
As someone has already noted, it sounds a lot like the Coca Cola debacle back in the 80s when the company introduced the "New Coke" formulation. Consumers turned on the company and Coca Cola rushed to re-introduce "Coke Classic." New Coke just quietly went away. I was working on an MBA in marketing at the University of Texas at the time. We watched the situation carefully. Coke did its taste test research and found that consumers preferred the taste of the new formula. But the miscalculation they made was underestimating the loyalty and bond that consumers had with its classic formulation. That may be Speed Queen's miscalculation as well.
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Post# 1031603 , Reply# 31   5/2/2019 at 19:42 (1,813 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 1031606 , Reply# 32   5/2/2019 at 19:50 (1,813 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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Speed Queen should really just stop making those agi-tub washers. They had to go back to the former design since the 2018 design was costing them more than the previous models, and sales went down that much to the point where they had to go back to the old design. If anything Speed Queen should consider redesigning their dryers since it’s either damp dry or extra crispy with those dryers, and if I had a Speed Queen gas dryer I would probably throttle the burner so it wouldn’t get so hot and ruin/scorch clothes
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Post# 1031607 , Reply# 33   5/2/2019 at 20:01 (1,813 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 1031623 , Reply# 34   5/2/2019 at 22:34 (1,813 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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There is no way a company would invest money and make lofty business decisions over what they can dismiss as internet trolls. Rather at the customer level they must see the impact- complaints from actual buyers, a drop in sales and possible returns leading them to reconsider what they thought was a good idea.
You may be happy with your TR5, as I can be Happy with a dependable care and many others were happy using D&M and GE dishwashers without filtration who rinsed dishes to start with. However, there is also real America. Working America. People who don't have time to rinse their dishes while enjoying a good london broil or potato casserole pie at 5pm. People who get their clothes dirty for a living like trades men making close to 100,000 a year. People with children who play sports or in the woods. People who like to go dirt bike or ATV riding. People taking care of elderly family or those who are sick soiling clothes often. Those people aren't a minority but a sizable chunk of the nation. They need a washer which can wash out dirt and do it fast. To them the added water and energy is not a problem rather a necessity. Loosing them is a very bad business decision not only loosing their $$$$ but also the vocal opinion which they can conjure up steering even little old laddies away from a TR that would have made no difference to them. |
Post# 1031660 , Reply# 35   5/3/2019 at 06:03 (1,813 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 1031712 , Reply# 36   5/3/2019 at 16:37 (1,812 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Wait, did I have a total memory collapse, or are these dryers with timers new? www.speedqueen.com/produc... |
Post# 1031716 , Reply# 37   5/3/2019 at 17:37 (1,812 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 1031719 , Reply# 38   5/3/2019 at 18:08 (1,812 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Then my brain completly blanked them out. So I would presume by the design and the labeling on the website these still use thermal auto dry sensing? |
Post# 1031801 , Reply# 40   5/4/2019 at 16:20 (1,811 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)   |   | |
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Post# 1031976 , Reply# 41   5/6/2019 at 19:38 (1,809 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 1032788 , Reply# 42   5/16/2019 at 11:28 (1,799 days old) by deltablu (Eastern South Dakota)   |   | |
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Post# 1033898 , Reply# 44   5/29/2019 at 21:10 (1,786 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 1033899 , Reply# 45   5/29/2019 at 21:20 (1,786 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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I don't understand amidst all the ruckus about ever-rising efficiency and shrinking water-usage standards how SQ can market this model with no water level control, choice of either default half-ish fill or a couple inches more Deep Fill option. And same for WP on the WP & MT home/commercial VMW models. |
Post# 1033936 , Reply# 46   5/30/2019 at 05:47 (1,786 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 1033953 , Reply# 47   5/30/2019 at 10:22 (1,785 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)   |   | |
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Specs say Warm Rinse possible!! |
Post# 1033967 , Reply# 48   5/30/2019 at 13:27 (1,785 days old) by thomasward00 (KENTWOOD)   |   | |
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They had to make compromises with the TC5, as regulations become tighter and tighter companies are forced to use Auto Fills, the TC5 can't do that. |
Post# 1033974 , Reply# 49   5/30/2019 at 14:00 (1,785 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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The regulations on modern machines are ridiculous, and some just don’t make any sense what so ever. If I want a full tub of water, I want a full tub of water. If I want to have a warm or cold rinse, give me a option of a cold or warm rinse, and don’t force me to only have the option of a cold rinse! Thank goodness I have my Maytag A606 and A810 that have the option of a cold or warm rinse!
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Post# 1033976 , Reply# 50   5/30/2019 at 14:53 (1,785 days old) by thomasward00 (KENTWOOD)   |   | |
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I agree 100% but that isn't the world we live in, Energy regulations will become more stringent over time and if the Democrats get in the White House expect the EPA to push even further, they will come after dryers next. |
Post# 1033978 , Reply# 51   5/30/2019 at 15:18 (1,785 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Yes, the TC5's old-style mechanism can't do load-size sensing (although WP figured a way to do it, at least to some extent, on the DD). So instead of providing a control with choice of 3, 4, 5, or even fully variable water level, the regulations are met by hard-wiring it to either half-full or half-full + 2" no matter what's the actual load size. Makes no sense, LOL. |
Post# 1034040 , Reply# 52   5/31/2019 at 09:48 (1,784 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina)   |   | |
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From what I've seen on youtube, deep fill is all the way to the top of the tub.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO IIIJohnnyMacIII's LINK |
Post# 1034047 , Reply# 53   5/31/2019 at 11:15 (1,784 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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This cycle matrix chart was posted in a previous TC5 discussion thread. The water levels are stated as being X" of depth and X gallons quantity, varying slightly per the selected cycle with deep fill adding 2" or 3" more depth and 3 or 4.5 gallons. Normal-Eco: 9" (13 gal) or 11" (16 gal) Heavy Duty, Perm Press, & Delicate: 10" (14.5 gal) or 13" (19 gal) Bulky/Sheets: 11" (16 gal) or 13" (19 gal) Kirk shows the two level choices available on Delicate in this video.
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Post# 1034061 , Reply# 54   5/31/2019 at 13:12 (1,784 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 1034067 , Reply# 55   5/31/2019 at 13:43 (1,784 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1034075 , Reply# 56   5/31/2019 at 16:09 (1,784 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)   |   | |
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I would like to see the permanent press cycle if someone can demo it. Thanks. |
Post# 1034077 , Reply# 57   5/31/2019 at 17:46 (1,784 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 1034201 , Reply# 58   6/2/2019 at 12:14 (1,782 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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If the Normal/Eco + Heavy Soil cycle time is actually 59 minutes long, I'm assuming the extra time isn't all agitation. Probably an agitate/short soak/agitate/short soak scenario. If it is an additional 20+ minutes of high speed agitation, Alliance had better triple the size of the dryer's lint filter, LOL. |
Post# 1034221 , Reply# 59   6/2/2019 at 16:19 (1,782 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 1034320 , Reply# 60   6/4/2019 at 00:48 (1,781 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina)   |   | |
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10" would be about medium load on my 2017 and 13" would be extra large.
Not too bad, but it would have been nice to have a small load selection. Small works great on gentle loads for stuffed animals, hats, ect. Small load allows items to stay at the bottom and get cleaned by the bottom of the agitator. When you medium fill those items, they just float to the top and get brushed by the veins. |
Post# 1034604 , Reply# 62   6/5/2019 at 20:02 (1,779 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 1035769 , Reply# 63   6/20/2019 at 06:09 (1,765 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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the reason the site was not working they where updating there website the link should work now
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Post# 1036122 , Reply# 64   6/22/2019 at 15:43 (1,762 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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Post# 1037998 , Reply# 67   7/12/2019 at 16:34 (1,742 days old) by Lorainfurniture (Cleveland )   |   | |
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Why are you posting the same text across different appliance forums? |
Post# 1038051 , Reply# 68   7/13/2019 at 13:06 (1,741 days old) by ladd (Maryland)   |   | |
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I follow both forums. Please excuse me, but I don't understand your concern; have I missed the fact the everyone that is here at automaticwasher.org is also at fixitnow.com and vice versa? |
Post# 1042775 , Reply# 70   8/26/2019 at 12:21 (1,697 days old) by dylanmitchell (Southern California)   |   | |
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Not sure if Speed Queen has built in protectors for their control board but I use a plug in Tripplite Isobar. I have my SQ washer and dryer ISOBLOK2-0 Isobar 2-Outlet Surge. They're 2017 electronic control (Washer AWNE92SP113TW01 Dryer ADGE9RGS113TW01 ).
ISOBLOK2-0 Isobar 2-Outlet Surge Protector, Direct Plug-In www.tripplite.com/isobar-... Alternative option ISOBAR2-6 Isobar 2-Outlet Surge Protector, 6 ft. Cord with Right-Angle Plug: www.tripplite.com/isobar-... CLICK HERE TO GO TO dylanmitchell's LINK |