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Thread Number: 79294
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Post# 1032211 5/9/2019 at 11:09 (1,812 days old) by Vintage1963  (Ohio) |
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Hey friends,
Well, I have decided to explore the realm of vacuum coffee makers. I have been looking on Ebay of course, Amazon, etc. There are both modern and vintage available and most are very pricey. One I am most intrigued by is the model made by KitchenAid. I have included a video for your viewing pleasure. At over 12 minutes in length you may want to skip over a bit to get to the good part. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Vintage1963's LINK | ||
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Post# 1032215 , Reply# 2 5/9/2019 at 12:12 (1,812 days old) by Vintage1963 (Ohio) |
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Matt,
I did find out that the KitchenAid is not dishwasher safe. Also, cleanup does seem a bit tedious. I would prefer one with the glass rod such a Cory would have but that may be just asthethics talking to me and how it looks once assembled. In any case, the prices being asked for what is a very basic glass pot could be why the vintage items don't move very quickly. I understand the unique look and provenance of such items and that they are no longer made but I am hard-pressed to spend over $100 plus shipping. | ||
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Post# 1032216 , Reply# 3 5/9/2019 at 12:22 (1,812 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Ed,
I’ve owned several vintage vac pots over the past 14 years. Four different Sunbeam C-30’s, a couple of Cory glass pots, a Silex glass pot and a Stainless Steel Nicro, along with a Yama 8 cup vac pot, which can be bought new from several different online sellers.
For my money, the Yama wins hands down! They are reasonably priced, make EXCELLENT coffee and while they aren’t automatic they are very easy to use. It is the only vac pot I’ve kept, and still use on occasion. Get a Cory glass rod to use with it and the cleaning is easy breezy. I’ve posted a link below for just one of the many sellers. The vintage glass vac pots like the Cory and Silex are very fragile, and their gaskets are prone to be a weak point. And any new replacement gaskets can be a crap shoot, are expensive and if you don’t have a good sealing gasket, you vac pot is useless. BTW, its nice to see you post again. How’s your beard coming along? prima-coffee.com/equipment/yama/... Eddie | ||
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Post# 1032221 , Reply# 4 5/9/2019 at 13:40 (1,812 days old) by Vintage1963 (Ohio) |
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Post# 1032222 , Reply# 5 5/9/2019 at 13:48 (1,812 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Ed,
there are a few different size Cory Glass rods, but any of them will work in the Yama. Check out ebay, as its the only place I know of that you can still buy a Cory Glass rod. I believe that Bodum also makes a new glass rod for vac pots, but IIRC they are much more expensive than the vintage Cory rods. Sweet Maria’s is also a good source of new vac pots and parts for them. Have fun with your foray in to the world of vac coffee making.
I also, grew my beard out, started about 5 or 6 weeks ago now. I’ve been trimming it weekly with a number 3 guard on the clippers, and this seems to be a good all around length for me. I’ve been using Cremo Beard Oil on it and it keeps my skin underneath the beard nice and prevents “beardruff”. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1032232 , Reply# 6 5/9/2019 at 17:06 (1,812 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Have never found gaskets on vintage glass vac pots
To be fragile. Have a huge zip lock bag full of them (from glass pots that broke), and all are still pliable. Have purchased NOS Silex and Cory glass units that were from 1940's, 1950's and even 1930's with gaskets all perfectly fine.
OTOH on some Sunbeam electric vac pots fragile and or dried out gaskets were a known issue. Cory rods or similar devices: These came about as a more "sanitary" way of making vacuum coffee than using cloth filters. They can let more sediment through into the brew than cloth, but clean-up is far easier, and one doesn't have to wash, boil, sanitize the things as with reusable cloth filters. OTOH rods and other such "solid" filters aren't very forgiving in terms of coffee grind. If the stuff is too fine it will clog filter and thus severely slow down if not stop the pull down all together. When rods (and other vac pot filters) first came out many either ground their coffee at home, or it was done for them at point of purchase. Thus one could either specify type of ground wanted, and or do it at home to suit type of vac pot filter. Pre-packaged coffee however varies in grind; and anything too powdery (like espresso) isn't a good candidate for vac pots that use rods/solid filters. Have a huge stash of NOS Silex cloth filters; so just use one for a few days then chuck it into a glass jar until cleaning time. When have enough to make a full "load" then wash, boil, rinse, then allow to dry the lot. Vacuum brewing of coffee was quite a lot of bother for most so you can see why perk pots (auto electric or stove top), then drip (ditto) soon displaced them in sales. | ||
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Post# 1032240 , Reply# 7 5/9/2019 at 18:25 (1,812 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Laundress
I didn’t say the gaskets on the vintage glass pots were fragile, but rather the gaskets are a weak point, at least in my experience. They are made of rubber, and old rubber as a tendency to either harden or rot, which can often prevent a good seal, and hinder achieving a vacuum. What I did say, is that the glass pots are fragile. All the vintage ones I owned eventually ended up breaking, and I’m very careful, almost never break things.
As far as the glass rods go, you make good points about the fineness of the grind possibly causing problems with either grounds in the brew, or a blocked draw down. I almost always use pre ground coffee and the rods worked great. Its a personal preference. I tried all the different types of filters and next to the Cory Rod I like the cloth filter and frame that comes with the Yama Vac Pot. In fact, I used these filters in all my other vac pots if I wanted a clearer brew than the rod. But for everyday use the rod was my first choice. Vacuum coffee brewing is a fun process, and I’m glad I tried many of the different vac pots, but I got that out of my system for now. The Braun Aromaster is so much easier, and the coffee is very good too. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1032242 , Reply# 8 5/9/2019 at 19:11 (1,812 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Early on after discovering vaccum pot brewing
Went with glass pots because purists on various sites said the metal versions gave coffee an "off taste". Thus how one has ended up with so many bits including gaskets from vac pots. Over the years have broken more than care to think about.
Finally simply nabbed a Flavor-Seal nearly new off fleaPay and haven't looked back. Could sit down and weep at the numerous metal vac pots (Cory, Silex, Nicro) that let pass by years ago at dirt cheap prices. Now they all go for very dear money. Store bought pre-ground coffee is a bit of hit or miss. Some work well with glass or other solid filter rods, others not so much. Starbucks French roast is too powdery for rods, so must use filter cloths instead. For years ground beans oneself each morning, but lately local Rite Aid has been running sales on SB coffee so to economize..... | ||
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Post# 1032275 , Reply# 9 5/10/2019 at 07:06 (1,811 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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I had the KA pot I had the KA pot. Used it for a few days and sold it on eBay. It wasn't cleanup that did it for me it was how long the coffee steeped before it returned to the bottom pot. The coffee was over brewed in my opinion and I didn't want to baby sit a pot that was supposed to be automatic so I could kill the heat before the maker thought it should be. It was the original pot and didn't have a setting for how long to brew. That may have changed by now. This is a video of mine.
I have a Yama pot that I use on a daily basis and I use the cloth filter because I don't care for the sediment in the coffee when using a glass rod. Just my preference some don't mind. It really takes only a couple of minutes. We have an instant hot water tap in the kitchen so I put that water in the pot and put it on the stove. By the time I grind the beans the water is boiling. Starting with hot water makes all the difference because I don't have the patience to stand and wait for the water to boil.
I put the top on the pot, let the water rise and add the coffee. I set a timer for one minute and take it off the heat and I'm done. I stir once after I put in the coffee and once at about 20 seconds left. Really I think about 3 minutes start to finish. Easy Peezy. Some mornings I want pour-over so I use a Chemex for that.
I've abandoned most of my automatic pots because I've managed to make this process so quick. That hot water deal under the sink made all the difference.
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Post# 1032278 , Reply# 10 5/10/2019 at 08:06 (1,811 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1032281 , Reply# 11 5/10/2019 at 08:23 (1,811 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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Good question.. That's a really good question. I don't know if these are timed or actually run based on the temperature of the water. The Yama pot I use is manual on the stove. Based on my experience with the KA pot I would guess it's based on time.
I never thought to start with hot water until well after I sold the pot so I don't know if it would have made a difference. I've seen many You Tube videos where people start with hot water which is what gave me the idea. | ||
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Post# 1032287 , Reply# 12 5/10/2019 at 09:56 (1,811 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Ralph,
I completely agree with you about the Yama vac pot. They are easy to use and to me make the best vac coffee possible. And I also use your method of starting with hot water. But I put about an inch of water in the bottom pot, place it over the med high heat with the wire trivet, then I add the required amount of boiling water from my tea kettle (I put the inch of water in the lower pot first to temper the glass from any shock of adding boiling water, this may not be necessary, but I do it anyway). Then the rest of my brewing procedure is just like yours.
And hands down, the cloth filter and frame that the Yama comes with are the BEST cloth filter set up for any vac pot. My Yama is the only vac pot I keep out of the dozen or so I’ve owned. It’s one new product that is really well made and thought out, reasonably priced and worth the money. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1032291 , Reply# 13 5/10/2019 at 10:19 (1,811 days old) by Vintage1963 (Ohio) |
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Post# 1032362 , Reply# 15 5/11/2019 at 02:20 (1,811 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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For quite a while using my Sunbeam vac pot I would cut up paper filters and use them with the mesh filter. I think the coffee was moderately better, maybe a little clearer.
All this talk is making me want to drag out one of my C-30s.... | ||
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Post# 1032609 , Reply# 16 5/14/2019 at 09:35 (1,807 days old) by Vintage1963 (Ohio) |
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I have discovered another vacuum pot that does sort of interest me. Does anyone know anything about this particular model from General Electric, such as years made, reliability, what type of filter would one need, would a glass rod filter work on this model?
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Post# 1032617 , Reply# 18 5/14/2019 at 11:22 (1,807 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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speaking of glass rods.....
Mom had one growing up, I don't know the name, and never seen one again, but it would go on top of the stove, she would set it up, and turn on the flame..... once the water rose to the top, along with this glass rod that lifted, you turned off the heat, and within a few minutes, the coffee would be pulled down to the bottom.... but that's all I remember from it.... | ||
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Post# 1032623 , Reply# 19 5/14/2019 at 12:30 (1,807 days old) by Vintage1963 (Ohio) |
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Tom,
Would this be part you are speaking of?
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Post# 1032631 , Reply# 20 5/14/2019 at 13:06 (1,807 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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My first thought was, sure, why couldn’t you use a glass rod with this vintage GE. But reading Tom’s excellent explanation of how these GE vac pots work, but seeing the magnetic plunger that fits into the bottom of the tube, I think that the glass tube may not work. You would probably be best using the white porcelain filter that comes with it.
Also, there appears to be a break in the rubber gasket, and this may effect whether or not you can achieve a good vacuum seal. While it is certainly a nice curiosity, if you are planning on using it to brew coffee, maybe you might want to pass on this one. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1032645 , Reply# 21 5/14/2019 at 18:09 (1,807 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Don't think that metal bit is a plunger
But rather some sort of spring or other tension device meant to hold filter in place. Silex used a spring with a chain and hook for their ceramic and cloth coffee and tea filters. They also used same for their glass rod vacuum pot filters.
Basically idea is same regardless of maker; to keep filter from jiggling around too much from forces generated by "bubbling" water of lower pot. This and to help form a tight seal (but not too much so) to help keep grinds from going down into lower pot. Among vac pot enthusiasts Cory glass rods (which don't have any sort of spring, hook or whatever) gives better brew than the Silex (with spring/hood). Cory rods have a dome shaped rough bit at top of stem which is actually very effective at filtering. Once you get the grind down right coffee is rather clear with less grinds than some other filters besides cloth, paper or mesh. Early GE vac pots used same or similar glass rods as Cory (made by Corning glass). The filter shown above is GE's "automatic" vac pot filter which came in two pieces. The top is a cloth covered strainer, while bottom has that plunger or whatever used to secure. baharris.org/coffee/Collection.h... IIRC from my vac pot hobbist days people did use Cory (or even Silex) rods with their GE vac pots. Sometimes out of necessity (unit didn't come with filters) or choice. Cloth versus paper vac pot filters. General consensus among vac pot aficionados is that cloth allows more of the volatile oils from coffee brewing to pass compared to paper. brewminate.com/using-a-siphon-co... Only time have used paper filters is as a secondary for the Sunbeam C-50 instead of the cloth strainers. Sunbeam originally used cloth filters for their automatic vac pots, but then moved onto wire mesh. By time C-50 came along Sunbeam advised those wanting a clearer brew could use those cloth filters between the two metal mesh. Just cut up a bunch of paper coffee filters had lying about spare instead. This way could just chuck the thing into waste bin instead of having to wash cloth filters. | ||
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Post# 1032654 , Reply# 22 5/14/2019 at 19:14 (1,807 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Here’s a You Tube video showing this GE VacPot brewing. You can see the magnet in the bottom of he burner, but I don’t think the user had the original metal plunger in place. Notice that he removes the pot from the burner for the draw down. So, apparently you can still use this pot and burner without the original metal plunger.
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Post# 1032663 , Reply# 23 5/14/2019 at 21:06 (1,807 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"removes the pot from the burner for the draw down"
One always does this be it from those small electric "stoves" or range top (gas or electric). In fact IIRC directions/owners manual for vintage Silex and Cory vac pots one bought over years suggested same.
Electric heating elements in particular can take awhile to cool down. Until the temperature difference is low enough extraction/kick down won't start. Truth to tell with range/stove top vac pots once you've timed the brewing process there isn't any real need for things to stay in upper chamber. Thus sooner and faster the kick down is complete the better to avoid over extracted/brunt coffee. Silex and some other of those small stoves either automatically switched to "low", and or had a way of manually adjusting temperature. Still think just removing from heat is better. Then perhaps using "low" heat from stove to keep brew warm. | ||
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Post# 1032678 , Reply# 25 5/15/2019 at 06:59 (1,806 days old) by wiskybill (Canton, Ohio) |
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Found this... recently at Goodwill. Complete with 'Anyheat' control. Yes, I remove from burner to draw-down and then replace to keep warm. Makes good coffee. Bill | ||
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Post# 1032680 , Reply# 26 5/15/2019 at 07:24 (1,806 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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These are all beautiful coffee pots
I found this ad that looks like the one for the GE Automatic. If this is it, it was $17.95 new. It's not dated from what I can tell.
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Post# 1032682 , Reply# 27 5/15/2019 at 07:36 (1,806 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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Post# 1032689 , Reply# 28 5/15/2019 at 09:05 (1,806 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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$17.95 was a lot of money in the 40s. | ||
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Post# 1032707 , Reply# 29 5/15/2019 at 14:02 (1,806 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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Estimate | ||
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Post# 1032717 , Reply# 30 5/15/2019 at 16:57 (1,806 days old) by Vintage1963 (Ohio) |
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Post# 1032719 , Reply# 31 5/15/2019 at 17:28 (1,806 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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I think it's very cool. | ||
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Post# 1032722 , Reply# 32 5/15/2019 at 17:45 (1,806 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Corngratulations! Enjoy the hell out of it; just be careful. | ||
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Post# 1032724 , Reply# 33 5/15/2019 at 17:50 (1,806 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Ed, | ||
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Post# 1032733 , Reply# 34 5/15/2019 at 19:37 (1,806 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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Very nice coffemaker Our historical society museum has a couple glass coffeemakers in the collection. One is a Silex, and I'm not sure if the other is a GE or some other brand. I'll have to look the next time I'm there. | ||
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Post# 1032738 , Reply# 36 5/15/2019 at 20:42 (1,806 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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If Philips made that coffee maker nowadays, I bet it would be a huge success. I'd pay whatever money for that, if I eventually find one new in box. | ||
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Post# 1032741 , Reply# 37 5/15/2019 at 21:10 (1,806 days old) by Vintage1963 (Ohio) |
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I think it's very cool. | ||
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Post# 1032757 , Reply# 38 5/16/2019 at 02:28 (1,806 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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Phillips... Is this the Phillips in question?
There are 3 listed on ebay.... CLICK HERE TO GO TO MattL's LINK on eBay | ||
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Post# 1032764 , Reply# 39 5/16/2019 at 06:07 (1,805 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Those Philips (not Phillips) are not very reliable. Lots of people have issues with them. They need being descaled very often and a lot of people had the problem of it being burned out. My sister in law went through 6 of them with 3 of them being replacements under warranty. Number last broke down very soon too, she is now a happy Moccamaster user for a longer time than she ever had a Philips Café Gourmet.
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Post# 1032765 , Reply# 40 5/16/2019 at 06:12 (1,805 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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BTW, anyone here in the posession of a Bodum Santos coffeemaker?
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Post# 1032771 , Reply# 41 5/16/2019 at 08:24 (1,805 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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That's the philips! YAY But, unfortunately it's used.... I'd never buy a used one exactly because I know how problematic that thing is. Months before I moved to the USA, I bought one of those plastic siphons in Brazil. Not as futuristic as the Bodum but it was cool to see. It was OK, nothing more than that. At least it was super inexpensive, like $30 or so. I remember I just bought it because it was cool and ridiculously cheap. | ||
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Post# 1032790 , Reply# 42 5/16/2019 at 11:41 (1,805 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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If you search ebay there are two new ones listed.... | ||
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Post# 1032794 , Reply# 43 5/16/2019 at 12:19 (1,805 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Here’s a great Informative
link for those new to vac brewing. It also goes into some detail about the Sunbeam C30 and C50.
www.coffeekid.com/coffee/vacpots/... Also, another on the history of vac brewers. There is even a description of how the GE Automatic Vacuum brew that Ed(vintage1963) just acquired. baharris.org/coffee/History.htm... Lots of very good information. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1032796 , Reply# 44 5/16/2019 at 12:34 (1,805 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Louis, yes, I have one packed away in the box. | ||
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Post# 1032801 , Reply# 45 5/16/2019 at 13:07 (1,805 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1032802 , Reply# 46 5/16/2019 at 13:10 (1,805 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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The first Vacuum pot I ever owned was a Bodum Santos like in reply #40. It had one of the best filter systems I’ve come across, in fact, after I got rid of the machine, I still kept using the nylon filter disk on my first Sunbeam C30, with the frame that held the cloth filter, and it worked great in this application.
The Bodum Santos made very rich tasting coffee, but the beef I had with it was the draw down happened too quickly, not giving the brew enough time to remain in contact with the ground coffee. Therefore, in order to achieve a good, strong brew, I needed to use double the ground coffee I normally used. So this made it a no go for me. It was also hard to keep clean and the plastic scratched easily, giving it a cloudy appearance. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1032817 , Reply# 47 5/16/2019 at 15:02 (1,805 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1032868 , Reply# 49 5/17/2019 at 08:52 (1,804 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 1032934 , Reply# 50 5/18/2019 at 04:26 (1,804 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1032942 , Reply# 51 5/18/2019 at 07:33 (1,803 days old) by Vintage1963 (Ohio) |
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Found this...
Bill, that is one gorgeous coffee maker! I sure hope one like that shows up at the Goodwill here!
The Yama arrived yesterday and as soon as I got home from work I unboxed it and experimented with it a little. This morning I made a pot of coffee in it and I have to say I was pleased with the results. The coffee was bold and rich just the way I like it and it was HOT just as it should be. I'm looking forward to getting that GE Automatic as well. | ||
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Post# 1033445 , Reply# 52 5/23/2019 at 04:59 (1,799 days old) by Vintage1963 (Ohio) |
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Yesterday I took delivery of the GE Automatic vacuum coffee pot. It is in really good shape, all of the seals are good, the glass is intact and aside from needing a little cleaning up, all is good. However, the burner that came with it doesn't fully heat up. In other words, the coils do not get to that glowing red stage. They get hot, but not hot enough to get the water to boil. Not a huge deal really. I made a pot of coffee on the stove and the coffee turned out nice. Does anyone here know of any troubleshooting tips to get the burner to full capacity? Also, this particular model uses a cloth filter with a hole on the middle due to the ceramic rod that it would go over. I improvised this morning by cutting a small hole in another cloth filter I had for the Yama and it seemed to work fine. I may also get a glass rod to use but I am not exactly sure what size I would need.
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Post# 1033455 , Reply# 53 5/23/2019 at 09:55 (1,798 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Congratulations Ed
on your new acquisition! In the photos you posted previously for this GE it showed that there was a plunger that fit into the tube of the upper bowl, and it has a flat disk that sits at the end of the tube. According to Tom’s explanation of how this works, there is a magnet in the center of the burner that this metal disk is attached to, and once this happens the magnet is drawn upwards and this engages the high heat setting. Once the water has risen to the upper bowl and the turbulence begins in the water left in the lower bowl, this metal disk breaks away from the magnet in burner, the magnet drops and the heat switches from high to low. Did you use this contraption when you tried to use the burner? This is probably what caused the heat to not be high enough to boil, its doing what it was designed to do. One of the sites that I posted a link to perviously in this thread shows how this magnet system in the GE works.
As far as a glass rod, any size will fit. And you can buy flannel at a fabric store and cut out you own filters, just zig zag stitch around the edges so they don’t unravel. I’ve done this for the Sunbeam C30’s I’ve owned and this worked fine. Have fun with your new toy. Eddie | ||
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Post# 1033456 , Reply# 54 5/23/2019 at 10:47 (1,798 days old) by Vintage1963 (Ohio) |
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Congratulations Ed
Hi Eddie!
I think the issue is that coils do not glow red and hot enough to start the heating/boiling process. I even left the unit plugged in for a long time but still no red hot coils. A friend of mine suggested that perhaps there is an issue with contact or loose wiring or just simply down to being an old, worn out appliance burner that cannot be repaired. I would still love to get the burner to work because I would like to experience what this GE was designed to do. | ||
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Post# 1033457 , Reply# 55 5/23/2019 at 11:00 (1,798 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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They aren’t getting hot enough if aren’t using the metal contraption at the end of the tube to “pull” the magnet “up” to engage the high heat setting. Try this test, take a long metal object that a magnet would be attracted to, plug in the burner and place the metal object over that disk in the center of the burner and let the magnet be “pulled up”, if all the coils then begin to glow, you’ve found your answer.
HTH Eddie | ||
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