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Post# 1035906   6/21/2019 at 07:46 (1,742 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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Not every day I see something like this...


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Post# 1035909 , Reply# 1   6/21/2019 at 08:16 (1,742 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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WOW!


Post# 1035922 , Reply# 2   6/21/2019 at 09:15 (1,742 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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Of course.... San Diego.... Dammit!!!

Post# 1035945 , Reply# 3   6/21/2019 at 10:41 (1,742 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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TA700/TDE701

Post# 1035952 , Reply# 4   6/21/2019 at 10:48 (1,742 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Got a better look at the dryer cabinet.....it may be a 642C.

Post# 1035972 , Reply# 5   6/21/2019 at 12:42 (1,742 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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I’d definitely would go get them if I had $200 and the space for them

Post# 1036143 , Reply# 6   6/22/2019 at 20:31 (1,740 days old) by mrcoppertone (Los Angeles)        

Holy smokes! I've been looking for a blue pair to put in my laundry room that has blue linoleum flooring. I also live in Los Angeles. Just seems like a big risk not knowing if they work and the door not closing.

Post# 1036144 , Reply# 7   6/22/2019 at 20:49 (1,740 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
good catch on the dryer cabinet!

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The dryer handle can be replaced (link) but the set will likely need some moderate to intensive work to use as a daily driver. 

 

I had a (700) set for about seven years, one of my all-time faves.  



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Post# 1036162 , Reply# 8   6/23/2019 at 07:03 (1,740 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Holy smokes! I've been looking for a blue pair to put in my laundry room that has blue linoleum flooring. I also live in Los Angeles. Just seems like a big risk not knowing if they work and the door not closing.

I wouldn't let that bother me in the least. If I was close and wanted them, I'd make the deal.


Post# 1036174 , Reply# 9   6/23/2019 at 09:57 (1,740 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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>> I wouldn't let that bother me in the least. If I was close and wanted them, I'd make the deal.

Same!


Post# 1036188 , Reply# 10   6/23/2019 at 12:37 (1,740 days old) by mrcoppertone (Los Angeles)        

Are these generally easy to find people to repair and work on? I don't really have any experience yet with vintage washer/dryer's. The rest of my appliances are vintage and those were quite challenging to repair when needed.

I also have to find out if these are compatible with my electric/gas setup. I can take pictures and post in here when I get back home later tonight.

If they seem compatible, I'll try to give it a shot! In the past year, I picked up a vintage refrigerator, dishwasher, and cooktop (that had to be restored.) Gets pretty tiring, and costly, to replace everything so quickly!


Post# 1036190 , Reply# 11   6/23/2019 at 13:25 (1,740 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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>> Are these generally easy to find people to repair and work on?

I would say that finding someone to work on them is (or would be) far easier than finding a pair of the machines.


Post# 1036236 , Reply# 12   6/24/2019 at 00:47 (1,739 days old) by mrcoppertone (Los Angeles)        

Looks like the dryer is electric. Is that desirable with these? Also, do these use different outlets than ordinary house outlets?

Apparently, these were untouched for decades. The light still comes on in the washer. She sent me pics of the inside and they look almost new.

I asked her to send me closer pictures of the wash and dry cycles. Just curious which options this one has but I am likely buying these at this point!


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Post# 1036238 , Reply# 13   6/24/2019 at 02:08 (1,739 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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I hate to be *THAT* guy, but if you're unfamiliar with machines this old and aren't willing to learn and work on them yourself, then pass. Finding someone who would even begin to know how to work on that complex timer and electronic control unit of the 642C is going to be slim to none. The whole dryer needs to be torn down cleaned and lubricated before being put into regular service. The front seal is probably deteriorated and turned to dust by now, which is NLA. Timers for either unit are long gone and unavailable. The 3 coil water valve in the washer is almost impossible to come by now and most likely needs to be replaced, at minimal, rebuilt. Expect everything that holds water and oil to leak in the near future on that washer. The washer may still even have a pot metal pump in it, which definitely needs to be replaced before a drop of water enters the tub. The hoses connected to the pump are petrified by now.

I've done several complete in depth restorations on Maytags older than these but I spent many years gathering service manuals, spent endless hours reading them, a decade of collecting parts from ebay and buying old stock parts from Maytag service centers, and cut my teeth on some lower end units and junky high end units of this era before restoring nicer ones.


Post# 1036276 , Reply# 14   6/24/2019 at 13:56 (1,739 days old) by mrcoppertone (Los Angeles)        

Hi Dan,

I've actually worked on just about all of my vintage appliances. I serviced and installed all of them myself. However, I can't do things like re-chrome, replace certain parts I don't have access to etc. In fact, I pretty much fix or repair everything I own including cars, guitars, electronics, light fixtures, household items... So, I certainly have no problems getting my hands dirty and tinkering.

But like anyone, there's always a first time for something. I haven't worked on a washer/dryer yet so I'm coming here for advice. I'm restoring my 1958 home and this washer and dryer are really perfect for it. I am not just doing this to have some cool looking appliances. I truly believe in preservation and celebrating some of the great manufacturing of our past.

For anyone who is willing to help me do that, I would greatly appreciate it.


Post# 1036277 , Reply# 15   6/24/2019 at 14:43 (1,739 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Dryer DOES NOT plug into a normal household outlet, it need a 230V dedicated line.


Post# 1036280 , Reply# 16   6/24/2019 at 15:19 (1,739 days old) by mrcoppertone (Los Angeles)        

Thanks for the heads up. That should be easy enough. My electric panel is in the same room and there's a crawl space underneath.

Post# 1036421 , Reply# 17   6/26/2019 at 09:31 (1,737 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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Sold


Post# 1036427 , Reply# 18   6/26/2019 at 13:02 (1,737 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Did you get it?

I'm curious to see them, if you need some help, I'm more than happy to help you. I'm a washing machine designer (but I never touched a vintage Maytag or even saw one running right in front of me)

I'm in DTLA, Gage and Normandie.

Obs. I have a broken leg... so I can't force too much until I recover and get rid of the boot I'm wearing.


Post# 1036430 , Reply# 19   6/26/2019 at 13:22 (1,737 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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I did not get these, nor do I know who did.


Post# 1036433 , Reply# 20   6/26/2019 at 15:17 (1,737 days old) by mrcoppertone (Los Angeles)        

I bought them! I just think they were too special to pass up at that price. Especially, with how close they are.

I found out the handle was actually inside and they were able to fix it. That's also not damage to the paint in front. It's just duct tape residue. These seem to have been cared for really well. The seller also found the users manuals, which was a very nice surprise! Like I might have mentioned, they haven't been used in decades.

Thank you thomasortega! I would love to take you up on that. They are being crated now and then should be in my possession relatively soon. It's going to be really tricky to install them. My laundry room is a pain in the @#$ to move appliances in and out of. It's down a big flight of stairs in a rather narrow room. I want to make sure these have a good chance of working before removing my other ones. I'll probably open them up and test them (without water) in my living room to see if it looks promising. At least good enough where I could replace a few easy parts if need be.

I'm certainly open to recommendations on how to approach this. I know I should service them as best as I can before operating them.





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Post# 1036434 , Reply# 21   6/26/2019 at 15:28 (1,737 days old) by mrcoppertone (Los Angeles)        

Also, I hope you have a speedy recovery!

Post# 1036435 , Reply# 22   6/26/2019 at 15:30 (1,737 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas)        

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Very nice!!! Congratulations! I’m sure they will need quite a bit more than wiping down before being used on a regular basis but that is a pretty spectacular find in my opinion.

Post# 1036438 , Reply# 23   6/26/2019 at 16:20 (1,737 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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Glad to so they will be appreciated.
‘Goof Off’ makes quick work of tape residue.
A sweet deal to be sure. Had i the room they would be in my garage!


Post# 1036440 , Reply# 24   6/26/2019 at 16:34 (1,737 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL)        
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Testing his washer and dryer in the living room....

 

Congratulations on your new appliances!  We do expect pictures as they progress.

 

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Post# 1036445 , Reply# 25   6/26/2019 at 17:52 (1,736 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

"I'll probably open them up and test them (without water) in my living room to see if it looks promising."

Do NOT do that....

Rule number 1 with washers that old: Fill it with hot water (use buckets, tap hot, but as hot as possible) and let it sit for at least 1 hour before you think about plugging it. (and the living room isn't the best place to do that)


Post# 1036455 , Reply# 26   6/26/2019 at 19:47 (1,736 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        
Heed My Warnings Above

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Again, I don't mean to come across as a Debbie Downer but I don't recommend using these as daily drivers even with a hardcore meticulous Qsd-Dan style restoration process on both units. I've been in a bunch of these machines and know what to expect from them thanks to that good ol' hard knox learning technique called experience. They will stab you in the back and fail as the worst possible time. I also don't recommend using these machines as your first prelude into Maytags. At minimum, find a post '65 washer to learn and make mistakes on before touching the A700. That washer is a different animal from '66+ and a simple slip up will turn it into a 200# paperweight.

Last year of the 642C dryer is 1961 and first year of the A700 is 1961. The chances of both units being 1961 are strong. Do the math, that's 58 years old.

Here's some points to ponder before plugging in either machine, as well as my crystal ball future predictions from experience:


Washer:

Belts are probably original and toast. The motor carriage is probably gummed up, if not locked up, and motor carriage wheels disintegrated (or soon will be). This area needs to be addressed immediately.

Damper pads are parched and badly need lubrication by now. Spinning out just one single load of laundry without lubricating them first has the strong potential of ripping the pads off of the base and gouging the damper. That style damper was discontinued in 1965 so good luck finding a non damaged damper today. Polylube is NOT used on these older pads, it's Maytag transmission oil. Use 80/90 gear lube if you don't have Maytag transmission oil on hand and expect your laundry room to reek of stinky @ss for at least a month. I replace all of these old style damper pads with the newer style pads (you'll need to trim one of the 3 pads for proper spacing) and polylube even if the old style look perfect. The newer style causes less friction, allowing tighter spring tensions without inducing vibrations.

Lower o-ring in the transmission is probably toast, or soon will be, and will dump most of its oil on the floor and all over the bottom half of the base. Run it under these conditions and it'll lock up the lower half of the transmission. Most of the transmissions I've been in at this age are less than half full of oil. Whatever oil left has nearly turned into grease which will cause sluggish operation. The shaft in the upper housing relies on oil for lubrication during the spin cycle. Lack of oil or thick oil won't flow into the oil gallery of the upper trans housing during the spin cycle, causing the upper shaft to bind and destroy the upper sleeve bearings, then lock up.

Expect every hose and seal to systemically fail due to age (stem and boot seal, tub bearing seal, cover to tub housing band seal, pump seal, water valve, water valve to injector hose, tub to pump hose, drain hose, air dome hose). Find a post 1979 sealed pump and install it. Those older pumps like to leak from the top seal, especially if the screws holding it are rusted (most of them are). Short term leaks here will rust out that corner of the base. Watch out for the bleach injection hoses, they won't leak right away but soon will. The original style bleach containers will crack by just looking at them wrong, if it isn't cracked already. Check all clamps, they rust out and lose tension, then cause leaks. A blown tub to pump hose, drain hose, or air dome hose will immediately turn your laundry room into the Niagara Falls. Been there, done that.


Dryer:

Belts are trash and probably have flat spots from sitting in one spot on the pulleys for decades.

All sleeve bearings (including the ones in the motor) are bone dry. Running the dryer can cause immediate damage to these bearings, ESPECIALLY THE BLOWER WHEEL BEARINGS!

The front seal is probably DOA. They like to fall off into the heating element which can cause a fire.

The capacitors on the electronic control board are probably dried and dead. Strong chance the automatic moisture sensing options will not work and you'll be relying on the timed dry portion of the dial, if the timer itself isn't dead.

Keep in mind this is only a handful of the many problems that can occur. Considered yourself warned.


Post# 1036468 , Reply# 27   6/27/2019 at 04:08 (1,736 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

A good alternative is having "some" daily drivers,

Right at this moment, I have "only" 24 washers, 4 gas dryers, 4 electric dryers and 4 spin dryers in y laundry room.

It reached a point is said STOP! and I have 6 washers and 1 dryer listed on Facebook.

The only new machines that I'll accept in my laundry room is a Whirlpool thin twin (or just the portable washer), a Speed Queen pair that I'm in love with and I hope I can sell the other washers and make money to get that pair) and EVENTUALLY a Maytag stacked combo (that one that has the control on the right).

And of course, always open for something really vintage and rare like a GM Frigidaire or an Easy twin Tub (because my husband loves that model) or a slant front Westinghouse or a .... well... I think I need a bigger laundry room.

But anyway, Always have a modern machine because you should NEVER jeopardize a vintage washer's life by washing those "impossible" loads like duvets or heavy loads of jeans. If you kill a modern machine, not a big deal, they are somewhat easily replaceable without hurting your feelings.


Post# 1036469 , Reply# 28   6/27/2019 at 05:02 (1,736 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Good advice, Dan.


Post# 1036494 , Reply# 29   6/27/2019 at 11:28 (1,736 days old) by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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>> thomasortega wrote
>> A good alternative is having "some" daily drivers,

That's perhaps good general advice, but misses Dan's point.

Dan is saying that anyone with machines of this age would be wise to do a complete teardown/rebuild on them ***BEFORE*** using them, to take care of the common age-related failure points BEFORE they fail and do irreparable damage to the machine (or your home) in the process. Using the machines infrequently does not eliminate this risk or the need for preventative maintenance!

It's very good advice, and comes from experience. Make his post a checklist, and I'm actually surprised how many of them I've hit personally, and with machines a decade or more newer than these here. Some of these issues are faaaaar easier to remedy before they fail, and for such a nice pair of machines like this, it would be well worth your efforts to do so!


>> thomasortega wrote
>> But anyway, Always have a modern machine because you should NEVER jeopardize a vintage
>> washer's life by washing those "impossible" loads like duvets or heavy loads of jeans.

100% disagree with this!


Post# 1036502 , Reply# 30   6/27/2019 at 13:47 (1,736 days old) by mrcoppertone (Los Angeles)        

Dan, I will run through your list on both of these machines before powering either of them. I certainly don't want to risk damaging these by prematurely running them. Thank you for providing such detailed instructions.

How many loads a week would you consider safe for a machine like this? I'm trying to get a sense of what everyone considers a daily driver. I live alone and don't run too many loads a week. Maybe or 1 or 2?

Having multiple machines would be a great idea except I don't have room for extra machines. However, I live right by a laundromat and could run heavier loads over there if necessary. I will try to brainstorm and see if there's anywhere I can keep my modern machines running.


Post# 1036509 , Reply# 31   6/27/2019 at 15:24 (1,736 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        

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If it helps, my 'daily driver' 65 turquoise Lady Kenmore washer and dryer at the house in St-Liboire (Quebec) run 2-3 loads per week. I wash very large comforters at the local coin-op laundry (we only have a couple of those, fortunately). Not to rain on your parade, but there is always the possibility of a breakdown of a vintage machine when it gets put back into regular service!

The Lady K washer needed bearings when I got it; I did a half-assed job of it and the machine quit on me two summers ago. It was no fun at all not having a working washer, but I had the 9 or so machines connected and working down at the other house in Ogden (also in Quebec). I ran into one issue after another with the Kenmore - wound having to replace the pump as well as the basket drive tube and it took me nearly 18 months to "get it right". And I've done some fairly intense work on the Whirlpool-built belt-drive machines before so I should have known better...



Post# 1036510 , Reply# 32   6/27/2019 at 16:55 (1,736 days old) by mrcoppertone (Los Angeles)        

I came up with a pretty good solution. Right now, I have 2 fairly large Samsung washer and dryers that I have no room for with the Maytag's in there. I'm going to get rid of those and buy one of those stacked washer and dryers that would fit in the space I have next to the Maytag's. That way, I can run heavy duty loads in there and will always have a backup.

The only thing I have to figure out, is how to split the water line so it goes to both machines. I would have to do the same obviously for the drain hoses. I don't have a sink in that room.


Post# 1036541 , Reply# 33   6/27/2019 at 20:06 (1,735 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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Those Maytags will need work before they are used on a regular basis. My A606 washer worked when I got it, but I will have to look into the damper pads soon. The DG606 I converted to a DG306 needed a lot of work done to it before I even plugged it in or hooked it up to gas. The DG306 needed a new outer felt seal, and I installed a new inner felt seal s8nce my had a felt seal on it when I got it.

The Gas HOH dryers are different from the electric versions, and some will need painting to the drum pulley and rear panel if they are rusty from the constant burning pilot light, as well as piling the drum bearing and blower shaft, as well as greasing the slider and tensioner shaft.

Another thing is if the pilot safety is shot, you will have to convert it to automatic ignition and switch the 18,000 btu orifice onto the new dual gas valve.

If you don’t use your gas HOH dryer for a long time I’d suggest turn the pilot off, and light it on the days it will be used.

My gas HOH dryer takes 75 minutes to dry a large load of towels. I will say it’s pretty fast with small loads though.


Post# 1036548 , Reply# 34   6/27/2019 at 23:17 (1,735 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

I can help you with the hoses. It's super easy and inexpensive.

I have ALL my washers connected to a si gle washer hookup and draining in a tiny modern laundry sink that is the same as almost nothing.


Post# 1036564 , Reply# 35   6/28/2019 at 05:05 (1,735 days old) by mrcoppertone (Los Angeles)        

Thanks Thomas!

I'm also running into a bit of an issue with the vents. If I get a "laundry station" I'll have to install a 2nd vent. My other option is to order a ventless combination unit but I've heard those things take an eternity to dry (if they ever.) They also have a tendency to make the room hot and steamy.

Anyone come up with good solutions for venting multiple dryers?


Post# 1036569 , Reply# 36   6/28/2019 at 05:39 (1,735 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Do you have a window nearby? I'm great with finding this kind of solution.

Is the property yours or a rental property? It's easy to drill the wall and add a second vent, if needed.

If the dryer is gas, you MUST have them vented outside and, just in case, add a CO detector to your laundry room for added safety.

Well, that's according to the codes.

HOWEVER.... If the laundry room is super well ventilated (for example my laundry room back in Brazil that was in a balcony with two walls completely open and always windy, high floor), then of course i didn't care about the vent

In my laundry room one of my gas dryers won't be vented... But I have two windows and a door constantly open, plus a fan, plus a CO detector.

Regarding the water lines.

In my laundry room I have only one laundry hookup on the wall... many washers have only one inlet (so you select the temperature on the tap, as they're portable). Other washers have the annoying ATC and some washers have both hot and cold fill and (thank God) no ATC.

I don't need to say my laundry room is a world of Y connectors and 4-connector manifolds and Y hoses. Right on the hookup, the very first connection is a Y-hose, so I control the temperature for all washers ONLY opening and closing the hot and cold valves. For washers that have "warm", i keep the selector always on warm so the washer fills faster, using both valves for whatever temperature I selected on the tap.

In my case it's even worse, because i have some washers with imperial threads on the valve, others with metric... Sometimes I change the layout and I have to stop and think.

For draining, it's even worse... i have a world of goose necks and drain hoses hanging on both sides of the laundry sink.

When I do laundry I usually use 5 washers, sometimes up to 8 at once. I never had to use more than that. Over the time, i learned how to sort everything first load all the washers, and then I mentally count seconds or minutes to start each washer in a certain sequence, so they don't drain all at the same time, otherwise it would be a disaster with the laundry sink overflowing as it's too much water for only one drain and a tiny sink. To make things worse, my apartment is 100 years old and the pipes are super old. (My apartment is so old that I have a coal gas heater, an octopuss heater and a Kenmore incinerator abandoned in the basement under the front house) Also, I synchronize the water temperature need, because if I run 5 washers I can quickly use all the hot water from my heater, so I start with the super hot and for the delicate items loads I already have warm or lukewarm water only with the hot tap open.

I always rinse in cold, so my heater has time enough to recover. Again, that's MY scenario, with several washers.... In your scenario, with only two washers, you'll have nothing to worry about and you will probably never run out of hot water, unless your heater is really small and takes forever to recover and you'll never have draining issues even if both washers drain exactly at the same time.

Draining is super easy as you have only two washers... squeezing a little bit (just a little because you don't want to strangle the drain hoses) you can usually fit two hoses in one stand pipe.

As you have only two washers (and I hope the stacked washer is not a super modern model that has the stupid ATC) two simple manifolds will do the trick.

One thing all washing machine collectors quickly learn: We ALWAYS manage to find room for one more washer.


Post# 1038383 , Reply# 37   7/15/2019 at 23:56 (1,717 days old) by mrcoppertone (Los Angeles)        

I wasn't kidding when I said they were going in the living room!

I still have quite a few hoops to jump... On top of these needing to be fully serviced, I have to find another set to use as a daily driver, install a new outlet for the dryer, and remove my "old" Samsung washer and dryer. I came across a great almond colored Maytag set that looked to be from the 90s. It got snatched up right before I made up my mind. It was quite a bummer.

I have to say, these machines as cosmetically in pretty fantastic shape. Only thing missing are the hinge pins for the washer door. I also have to move the dryer vent from the side to the back. They both look almost new inside and the dryer door gasket is in really good shape. However, I am sure there will be some surprises to come!


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Post# 1081615 , Reply# 38   7/19/2020 at 13:09 (1,348 days old) by stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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Any update?


Post# 1082328 , Reply# 39   7/25/2020 at 09:59 (1,342 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
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I wish you the best with these machines. They are spectacular!

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