Thread Number: 79754  /  Tag: Ranges, Stoves, Ovens
So I did a thing... (new to me range acquisition)
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Post# 1036549   6/28/2019 at 00:32 by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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...This was on facebook for 300 bucks...

I couldn't pass it up. In my mind, I will eventually build a house. What I am thinking is that I can take my time, clean it up, customize it the way I want (custom paint job, maybe a custom metal band or something, etc) and build my kitchen around it.............

The best laid plans.... :/

Oh well. I can always re-sell it if I need to.

(The pics are from the facebook marketplace ad, the range is sitting in our warehouse out of site until I can get it moved to my garage. I'll take better pics when I have a chance to look at it without being rushed. The grates are in the left oven, the handles and end caps are laying in the drip trays, I think the burner caps are there somewhere but the dude wouldn't stop talking and let me just look it over. He did deliver it to me 90 miles from where he lived because he happened to be working in my area and did give me the caster cart he made to move the range around on, but still he wouldn't stop and let me take in what I was getting...)

*Dorothy biting her fist*

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Post# 1036560 , Reply# 1   6/28/2019 at 03:32 by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Known as a Vulcan Cafe Range.

Looks like it's in decent shape. Normally Commercial Ranges are victims of abuse, neglect, and filth.
The griddle looks like it was barely or never used.

Looks like you scored yourself a bargain at $300.00

New/// ah hem...$11,000+

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Post# 1036570 , Reply# 2   6/28/2019 at 05:56 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

And the new one does not have the orange knobs.  If you like it, I'm glad that you got it. I would rather have a couple of induction units.

Post# 1036675 , Reply# 3   6/29/2019 at 16:02 by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Ideally, if the kitchen I want this to go in ever gets built, I'll have this and 4 induction burners.

I am taking it to my house this weekend. I can't wait to start tearing it apart and cleaning it.

Here is a pic of it sitting in the warehouse.

I have a friend that owns a sandblasting company and I think he can sandblast all of the burners for me. Another friend owns a manufacturing facility that has a huge paint booth so I can probably get the black stripped and painted. I just have to make it be in pieces, not one whole range lol.

I wish I could find a video on how these were constructed. I would love to take it all the way apart so I could clean everything on it.

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Post# 1036679 , Reply# 4   6/29/2019 at 16:07 by fan-of-fans (Florida)        

You will need a powerful hood for that, and probably a fire extinguishing system. Also possibly can't have cabinets against the sides of it, but not sure on that.

Post# 1036714 , Reply# 5   6/29/2019 at 18:35 by thomasortega (We have a famous sign, earthquakes, bushfires and weed)        

Ansul Piraņa system.

Not a bad idea.

The day I have my own house, it's on the list of priorities. It MUST have a piraņa system in the kitchen. (as well as an overdimensioned fire sprinklers network)

I had in my apartment in Brazil, never triggered it, but the peace of mind feeling is priceless when you see that ring on the wall near the stove.

Post# 1036740 , Reply# 6   6/30/2019 at 07:45 by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Years ago, John did a service call for a well-to-do family that staged family holiday reunions. They had a large home that was on the other side of a stream from the main road. They were bitching about not being able to get a 60" commercial gas range across the bridge. So they had 60 inches of space in the kitchen and really only needed the big huge cooking capabilities for the holiday meals. John suggested that they purchase two 30 inch electric ranges since they were cooking with electricity at present. They could have a butcher block cut to cover the second range's cooktop most of the time; they would have two well insulated self-cleaning ovens, 8 surface units, would not need to fireproof the walls, install a heavy duty ventilation system and fire suppression system, build up the floor joists to support the commercial range or rebuild the bridge over the stream to carry the truck on its single trip with the range. I only wish that he had asked, ahead of time, for the difference in total project costs to be paid to him.

For those of you who think you need powerful gas burners to cook large amounts of food, try this. Put a pan of water over a gas burner and turn the gas on to the highest heat as if you were bringing water to a boil. Now, hold your hands, palms down around the sides of the pan for as long as you can. Repeat with a pan on a properly sized electric resistance element.

Post# 1036753 , Reply# 7   6/30/2019 at 12:28 by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I paid less for this stove than what I could get two entry level coil top ranges for.

I will say there is a huge difference between open burners and sealed burners.

We tell people all the time to just put two 30" ranges in instead of spending 15k on pro-style ranges.

One of my plans is when I drill out the rivets to the sides etc is to put rockwool insulation in, depending on what the insulation is.

The other plan is to put electronic ignition on the pilot system so i can just open the gas valve and the pilots ignite. I'm still sketching that part out.

The nice thing is having access to all the vendors so I can take the best ideas from multiple brands and make my own system.

As far as hood and ansul. I have a 1200cfm vent a hood liner that was damaged by the freight carrier that is sitting in my storage unit. The ansul, I'm on the fence about because the wolf and bluestar residential 60" ranges are higher output than this stove and don't require them.

The ovens are 35k btu single burners, the griddle/broiler is 3 10k burners and the open top is 6 20k burners. Im only dealing with 220k btus here. That won't be all on all at one time. Even with my current bluestar cooktop ive got 80k just on my top, because my two viking ovens are electric.

Anyways, i found out this stove weighs 1100 lbs. I loaded it and unloaded it by my self yesterday because of the rickety wood platform he made for it. Went to put it in my garage, moving happily along and hit a crack in the cement and the rickety platform he made shattered. The stove went flying forward and i thought i qas gonna drop it on it's side.

So now it's sitting on jack stands in the garage because im gonna take the legs off and put 4 swivel casters on it. I know traditionally there are two swivel and two rigid but for now I wanna move it on a dime.

They stacked the burner caps, causing them to nest.. now 4 of them are stuck together and I cant get them apart. They are in the freezer hoping i can shock them apart lol.

My boss and my 40yr veteran service tech were making fun of me yesterday. The service tech collects cars and grills and me, the sales guy, collects stoves and dishwashers. Go figure.

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Post# 1036754 , Reply# 8   6/30/2019 at 14:38 by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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Its 80 degrees outside and i think i partially frost bit my thumb but i got those 4 burner caps apart.

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Post# 1037445 , Reply# 9   7/7/2019 at 21:40 by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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My hood will probably be better than this...

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Post# 1037581 , Reply# 10   7/9/2019 at 06:19 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I'd check with home insurance company before I committed to installing one of those in a house....some won't insure one in a residential setting.  But it's a nice range and I'd LOVE to have it.  Yeah I know a lot of heat is wasted...I use my induction portable thingy all the time unless I'm cooking a few things at once...especially in the warmer months so I don't heat up the house with the wasted gas heat that the range hood misses (and it's one of Sears Best).  My dream kitchen would have both fuels...a gas range and an induction cooktop on the other side of the kitchen so two can cook at the same time without bumping into each other.

Post# 1037610 , Reply# 11   7/9/2019 at 14:21 by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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My only real concern is having standing pilot lights. I've been trying to find all of the pieces necessary to convert to intermittent standing pilot.

The way I have it drawn out is I flip a switch, an auto-reignite controller senses there is no flame, sparks and calls for gas which opens a servo driven gas valve. Then the pilots are lit. When you turn the switch off, the gas valve shuts and the pilots extinguish.

One thought with what little the ovens would get used, I'd swap the safety valves out for ones that use a glow igniter. There is no need for standing pilots in the ovens. The oven controls are two stage valves (heating flame and maintaining flame). If I go to electronic controlled ovens, I would lose that hi/low switching.

The other thought would be to put push-button ignition on the ovens, so if I needed the ovens, I could bend down, press the pilot safety button and press the ignition button to light the pilots as needed.

When I decide to take the side panels off to have them painted, I was thinking I'd pack the stove with rockwool insulation if there wasn't much insulation on the sides/rear/behind the doors. I have to drill out the rivets first before I know anything.

Ideally, if I can get the plans pulled together, I want to build one of those shop/houses where its a big metal building and have a living space in it, but my kitchen would be out in the shop space where I could run a catering type service out of it. I say catering service of course, but in my mind, the land is out in the middle of nowhere where I don't have to deal with people. :-)

Post# 1037707 , Reply# 12   7/10/2019 at 11:33 by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        

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can be an issue. We were told by our insurer they would not insure a (smaller than this) Vulcan in a home installation when we had an opportunity to get one very reasonably some years back. Even if they would they could refuse a claim. Beware,
it's way overkill for home use.

Post# 1037803 , Reply# 13   7/11/2019 at 00:49 by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I checked with my insurance provider and they said it wouldn't be an issue as long as I follow the specs for the combustible surfaces. She did issue a statement in writing from the underwriters.

Post# 1037822 , Reply# 14   7/11/2019 at 05:51 by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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That's good to know.

Post# 1037882 , Reply# 15   7/11/2019 at 14:06 by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I may pass the stove on to the Ukrainian Cultural Institute. They always have their festivals and always limp along with their cooking power etc.

This would give them a better capacity to handle their festival prep etc.

One of the ladies came in and she said 'well we need another stove, the last one crapped out on us'.

Tomorrow is their city-wide festival they are preparing for.

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