Thread Number: 8032
Pics Of New Frigidaire TL'er At Work: The First Load |
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Post# 154018   9/12/2006 at 19:14 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 154020 , Reply# 1   9/12/2006 at 19:17 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 154021 , Reply# 2   9/12/2006 at 19:18 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 154022 , Reply# 3   9/12/2006 at 19:19 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 154023 , Reply# 4   9/12/2006 at 19:21 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 154024 , Reply# 5   9/12/2006 at 19:25 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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First load is towels. I threw in a rogue colored washcloth to check rollover. Better than my WCI Frigidaire from the mid 80's, but definitely not as good as WP/KM's new models. The tub indexes, which used to annoy me, but now I think it's kinda fun. Agitation Speeds: Normal=72 opm; Gentle=48 opm. Spin speeds, unknown. Seem very slow compared to my FL'er. The so-called Power Spin is 12 minutes long. |
Post# 154025 , Reply# 6   9/12/2006 at 19:26 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 154027 , Reply# 7   9/12/2006 at 19:27 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 154028 , Reply# 8   9/12/2006 at 19:29 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 154031 , Reply# 9   9/12/2006 at 19:34 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Stick a sock in it---or in this case, a rolled up old washcloth. Problem solved. Clarification: The TL was draining in post pic 154028, but the suds were backing up the FL'ers standing pipe, which is nearest the trap. Both the standing pipes are sheared off at an angle at the top to prevent airlocks. Unfortunately, this also allows suds to pour out of them. Stinkin' plumbing codes! |
Post# 154032 , Reply# 10   9/12/2006 at 19:46 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Operating details: 1) There is a 22-second spray in each spin, which happens only a few seconds after the spin begins. I like that---it makes sense to begin showering the load well before it's up to speed. By the end of the spray, the spin is up to full speed. 2) It's a neutral drain. BORING. Oh, well... 3) It spins counterclockwise. 4) False Advertising: The warm rinse setting actually provides a COLD deep rinse, with a warm spray in the final spin. I call that cheating, don't you? 5) The front-loader can handle a bigger load, even though both machines claim a 3.0 cu.ft. tub. I suppose the agitator is to blame. It's not a huge difference, but the FL takes the checkered flag for capacity. And there it is, kids! Thanks for checking it out. I need to relax. Time for some dinner and a movie. Now showing: Transamerica. |
Post# 154042 , Reply# 12   9/12/2006 at 20:44 (6,406 days old) by nasadowsk ()   |   | |
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They still use the pneumatice/mechanical water level controls with the adjusting screw on the backside? Or did the EPA outlaw that too? :( |
Post# 154044 , Reply# 13   9/12/2006 at 21:07 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Arthur--- It seems to be a pretty good washer. Haven't tried a load of stained kitchen whites, yet. That will happen on Friday after I have company again. I'm still a front-loader man at heart, but it's fun being able to mess with speeds, water levels, and that sort of thing with the top-loader. Phil---I'd love to find the water level adjuster and crank it up. I like it best when this washer fills about 1/4" above the top row of perforations. But I'm not brave enough to dig into the inner workings, yet. Would this adjuster thingy be in the console right at the water control knob? To fill it beyond the factory setting for my BobLoad® of towels, I just held the water level control at reset. Oh, and in the interest of full disclosure, you may notice the photos in posts 15425 and 15427 were taken with the machine stopped. Due to the rapid movement of the indexing tub, all the pics except the one in post 154024 kept coming out blurry. Finally, I gave up and just waited for the rollover to progress, hit the cycle knob and snapped the photo. Then I'd start it up again. This would be a good time for me to pull out the camera manual and figure out how to change the shutter speed, eh? Since purchasing the washer wasn't quite enough to push me into bankruptcy, I'm now jonesing for a digital video camera. I'd love to post a video of the machine in action with the tub indexing and the auger moving. It's kind of dramatic in it's own white-plasticy way, LOL. |
Post# 154047 , Reply# 14   9/12/2006 at 21:23 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 154050 , Reply# 15   9/12/2006 at 21:29 (6,406 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 154055 , Reply# 16   9/12/2006 at 21:46 (6,406 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 154056 , Reply# 17   9/12/2006 at 21:55 (6,406 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 154058 , Reply# 18   9/12/2006 at 22:03 (6,406 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 154062 , Reply# 20   9/12/2006 at 22:27 (6,406 days old) by tlee618 ()   |   | |
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Eugene, thanks so much for sharing the pictures with us. Your new machine looks right at home there. How does this one compare in noise level to the front loader? Terry |
Post# 154064 , Reply# 21   9/12/2006 at 23:03 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Thanks for the comments, guys! I hope to get a video camera and post a vid sometime soon. Glenn-- I don't think there is a special cooldown in the 'Colors' cycle. The only difference I noticed between the Colors and the Whites cycle is the length of the final spin. (On my front-loader, there is no spin before the first deep rinse in the Colors cycle. That and a shorter final spin are the only things that differentiate it from the Whites cycle). Togs-- As soon as the spray rinse began during the first spin, I immediately thought "Oh, Steve would love this!" Chris-- I'm not sure if there is a separate, smaller motor for the pump. There is a 3-second (motorless) pause between agitation and drain, but I didn't notice a different motor sound during the drain. I'll have to pull the front off and check it out. My guess is there is only one motor. It's a pretty basic machine. The front-loader has two motors, though. Terry-- The front-loader is much quieter than the top-loader. I'd forgotten how noisy TL's are when filling and when the pump is sucking air after the tub has emptied. The FL'er is extemely quiet except during drain/spin. |
Post# 154066 , Reply# 22   9/12/2006 at 23:16 (6,406 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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I'm curious about the separate pump motor. Seems *most* agitator toploaders nowadays (with the Whirlpool family perhaps being the exception) that do a neutral drain would have a separate pump/motor. I imagine it makes for a simpler main drive mechanism. But then one has to wonder ... why not just do a spin-drain?
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Post# 154069 , Reply# 24   9/12/2006 at 23:24 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 154102 , Reply# 25   9/13/2006 at 08:31 (6,406 days old) by glamwales ()   |   | |
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My bags and packed and my belly is empty ! hehehehehehehehe |
Post# 154116 , Reply# 27   9/13/2006 at 09:57 (6,406 days old) by golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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Post# 154127 , Reply# 28   9/13/2006 at 10:54 (6,406 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Rich--Water enters in a 4-inch (or so) wide pressurized waterfall at 12:00. I'll post a pic later. I took a snap of it filling yesterday but didn't post it. Courtney-- The indexing on my machine works just the opposite; the counter-clockwise stroke is the long one and the clockwise stroke is the shorter one. If there are no clothes in the tub the strokes are nearly equal in length. The larger the load, the shorter the clockwise stroke. In fact, at lower water levels, it's the counter-clockwise stroke that seems to facilitiate the rollover more than the clockwise stroke. |
Post# 154130 , Reply# 29   9/13/2006 at 11:18 (6,406 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 154192 , Reply# 32   9/13/2006 at 16:58 (6,405 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Courtney-- I agree; It's refreshing to see a new machine that doesn't agitate at 160 opm. Bill-- Someone was asking if there was a separate, smaller pump motor and I didn't know the answer because I haven't opened the machine up at all. I guess that answers the question! I didn't mean to imply the machine was really loud; it isn't. It's just that my FL'er is so quiet by comparison---until the spin cycle, of course. |
Post# 154197 , Reply# 33   9/13/2006 at 17:10 (6,405 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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It was De-rigeur to have one motor only for the longest time. In the beginning of automatics, it was beleived that the more motors, the more chances for mechanical failure. Of course,today motor failures is not a huge quality /reliability issue. Having two motors makes for mechanical simplification /stream-lining. Spin drains are not in vogue in that they serve to add more and unnecessary stress to the spin motor, more than anything else. Apparently the concept of the benefit it would provide, to wash-action and laundry results, is secondary. Methinks a neutral drain allows for a motor of smaller hors-power (capacity/strength). When I advanced the timer manually of my new GE T/L washer such that it was still draining as it began to spin, the motor promptly shut down and went on strike (thermal overload protection). I was a bit disappointed. |
Post# 154239 , Reply# 34   9/13/2006 at 20:52 (6,405 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Togs--- I thought the motor in my TL would be smaller, but it's 3/4 horsepower! Don't you love having a mechanical timer on your machine? Working in analog is veddy, veddy old school, but I love the ease with which you can repeat, jump, skip and hop all over the place during a cycle. With two washers, I'm hoping I can make both of them last into Vintagehood. "Gee, Daddy, did all washers look like a bar of soap back at the turn of the century?" "No, son, just mine."
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Post# 154241 , Reply# 35   9/13/2006 at 21:00 (6,405 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 154246 , Reply# 36   9/13/2006 at 21:11 (6,405 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 154250 , Reply# 37   9/13/2006 at 21:16 (6,405 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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BTW, I pulled the machine away from the wall (no mean feat, as all three machines have to be moved due to the fact all the hoses are stretched to the max), opened the console and found the water pressure dome thingy. There is no screw to adjust, damn it. There is, however, some plastic doohicky with a blob of red paint on it. It looks like it might be the adjuster (it goes into the pressure dome further as you set the water level knob higher). It appears to take some odd little allen wrench to turn it. And I have no teeny allen wrenches. SO, I put it all back and decided to leave it alone for now. |
Post# 154297 , Reply# 39   9/13/2006 at 22:40 (6,405 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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I was going to pull the front off, but there are a couple of pieces of what appears to be shipping tape along the side edges of the front panel. I'm wondering if this is to alert a service person if someone has tampered with the machine while the warranty is still in play. Decided I'd best leave it alone for now. The washer seems to work perfectly, but I'd hate to jeopardize my warranty just yet. Or maybe the tape was just there for shipping and my dealer/installer just forgot to remove it. I'll have to listen for the pump motor. It does sound a little different when changing from agitation to spin. I haven't noticed the 20 seconds of a pump motor at the completion of the cycle, but I haven't been listening for it, either. Glad you like your Frigidaire, too. They're really not a bad machine at all, just plain. |
Post# 154457 , Reply# 40   9/14/2006 at 16:43 (6,404 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 154541 , Reply# 41   9/14/2006 at 20:33 (6,404 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Post# 154550 , Reply# 42   9/14/2006 at 21:03 (6,404 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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You're probably right, Launderess. I keep reminding myself that it's only 2" of water---nothing to grind one's teeth over. Besides, I may still figure out a way to fool it. There are little gear teeth connected with holding the pressure thingy in place for whatever water level is chosen. If I can jam it a bit and make it skip a few teeth over, it will fill with more water. I just don't want to break the plastic doohickey with the little plastic gear teeth on it. Please excuse my Luddite terminology. Having never seen a service manual, I don't know the proper names for all the parts. |
Post# 154577 , Reply# 44   9/14/2006 at 22:07 (6,404 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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