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Post# 1044681 9/13/2019 at 00:06 (1,681 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 1044682 , Reply# 1 9/13/2019 at 00:10 (1,681 days old) by Revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Fresh Start laundry detergent for $100 | ||
| Post# 1044686 , Reply# 2 9/13/2019 at 00:28 (1,681 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 1044695 , Reply# 3 9/13/2019 at 03:45 (1,681 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Fresh Start Went Through A Few Different Formulas
IIRC.
Have two bottles hidden away in my stash. Bought three off fleaPay several years ago and only used up the one. One I used according to label contained noninoic surfactants, protease enzyme, STPP. Label states this version of FS contains "14.7% phosphorus in form of phosphates, which is equivalent to 5.7 grams per 1/4 use level". Never found it made the wash harsh or scratchy. Wash and subsequent rinse baths drained clear which indicates to one at least low to nil levels of washing soda, or other caustics. At some point it is possible Colgate-Palmolive eliminated and or reduced phosphates and added washing soda like everyone else. Did some quick online research and was right; there were two versions of Fresh Start, one with phosphates, another without. Also was correct in assuming CP ditched phosphates and replaced with large amount of washing soda: content.oppictures.com/Master_Im... Patent for Fresh Start: www.freepatentsonline.com/5026400... Powdered laundry detergent that is nearly 75% washing soda even when at dilution ration (using 1/4 cup) is rather harsh IMHO. Puts one in mind of Arm & Hammer powdered detergent of old. That product left one's towels and other laundry stiff enough to stand on its own when dry. | ||
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Post# 1044696 , Reply# 4 9/13/2019 at 04:09 (1,681 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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From linked patent above:
" A detergent composition according to claim 5 wherein the percentages of narrow range ethoxylate nonionic detergent, soil release promoting PET-POET copolymer, builder and polyacrylate stabilizer for the PET-POET copolymer are in the ranges of 15 to 25%, 2 to 6%, 55 to 70%, and 0.5 to 5%, respectively, and the builder comprises 50 to 65% of sodium tripolyphosphate and 2 to 10% of sodium silicate of Na2 O:SiO2 ratio of about 1:2.4, with such percentages and the Na2 O:SiO2 ratio being by weight of anhydrous material and on a final composition basis." So it appears the phosphate version (or one of them at least) used heavy amounts of STPP as a builder, along with a small amount of sodium silicate. Since STPP does so many jobs on wash day it really is all one needed plus some sort of surfactant (soap, or detergent) to get the job done. Add some enzymes and you've just kicked things up a notch. | ||
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Post# 1044721 , Reply# 6 9/13/2019 at 08:18 (1,680 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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 The ebay version looks a little newer than a sample bottle I have.
I always liked the clean scents, if a bit strong. The re-release of Fresh Start was much more harsh and left scratchy clothes without softener in the rinse.
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Post# 1044724 , Reply# 7 9/13/2019 at 08:39 (1,680 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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The original with the phosphates only required one capful, I thought, or was the cap bigger? I have or had some in a pail with a plastic scoop, I think. I will have to check it to see if it's gone. | ||
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Post# 1044737 , Reply# 8 9/13/2019 at 10:44 (1,680 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA) |
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Maybe you guys Know Years ago many detergents listed an ingredient that "protects washer parts". What was this ingredient and why is it no longer included, who knows? Thanks | ||
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Post# 1044746 , Reply# 9 9/13/2019 at 11:32 (1,680 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 I have a couple bottles of (presumably) the last formulation that was available, bought Nov 2011.
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Post# 1044768 , Reply# 10 9/13/2019 at 13:49 (1,680 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA) |
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Post# 1044782 , Reply# 11 9/13/2019 at 15:26 (1,680 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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"protects washer parts" | ||
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Post# 1044802 , Reply# 13 9/13/2019 at 18:49 (1,680 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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According to my bottles
FS requires two cap fulls or 1/4 cup. Am guessing then the caps do not hold a full 1/4 cup.
Use only one cap full in front loader (Miele or AEG Lavamat) and results are fine. Usually use some sort of oxygen bleach additive (Tide Stain Release powder, or Tide boost pods), or a bit of vintage La France wash booster to kick things up a bit. | ||
| Post# 1044814 , Reply# 14 9/13/2019 at 20:19 (1,680 days old) by bendixmark (Winchester Mass) | ||
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Fresh Start I love Fresh Start.It is this intoxicating blue and the scent of this bottle is heavenly.I was heartbroken when they stopped making it.I have two unopened bottles of the whitecap bottle that I got from a customer/hoarder but the one I really want is the yellow cap one.I made an offer. | ||
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Post# 1044820 , Reply# 15 9/13/2019 at 21:10 (1,680 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Thank you all. It has been decades since I have used the bottle with the cap for the measure. The 12.5 lb tubs had a white scoop in them that was a quarter cup. I am just trying to compare the cap on the bottle with a standard coffee measure, two of which equal 4 Tablespoons which is a quarter cup. | ||
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Post# 1044825 , Reply# 16 9/13/2019 at 21:56 (1,680 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA) |
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sodium silicate Protective properties against corrosion of washing machines. Makes sense, and one wonders why it is not included in modern detergents. Maybe the washer manufacturers want their machines to rust out faster. Thanks Launderess. | ||
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Post# 1044832 , Reply# 17 9/13/2019 at 23:23 (1,680 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Liquid laundry detergents probably aren't as aggressive against certain metals in ways powdered detergents were, so makers may not have to bother.
Tide powdered detergent contains silicates, so am going to assume other powders do as well. www.ewg.org/guides/cleane... If you know what to look for bet you'll find plenty of detergents (laundry, automatic dish washing, etc....) contain silicates. captainindustries.com/applicatio... | ||
| Post# 1044905 , Reply# 18 9/14/2019 at 21:07 (1,679 days old) by bendixmark (Winchester Mass) | ||
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Fresh Start I got one of them.Cant wait. | ||
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Post# 1044925 , Reply# 19 9/15/2019 at 00:11 (1,679 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Congrats! | ||
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Post# 1045036 , Reply# 20 9/15/2019 at 22:45 (1,678 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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Must admit
I'm not up on detergents, but since Launderess started it...how about this to match the ebay offer?
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Post# 1045050 , Reply# 21 9/16/2019 at 03:16 (1,678 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Basically what you've got there is a basic caustic deter
Washing soda, sodium chloride (table salt) and sodium metasilicate along with surfactant.
Sodium metasilicate is a strong base that is used in many consumer and industrial detergents. www.pqcorp.com/docs/defau... www.finishing.com/155/96.shtml... Many instutional/commercial laundry detergents are built with heavy amounts of washing soda and or sodium metasilicate. The high pH acts as a "break" (breaks soils from textiles), and also turns grease, fat and oil into a "soap" that can be washed away. Many so called "green" or "natural" detergents like Nellie's are in fact nothing more than same "Start Fresh" formula; washing soda, sodium metasilicate and surfactant. www.safehouseholdcleaning... Beauty of these some what high pH laundry detergents is they are quite effective on common laundry soils in short wash times. For things with stains from say fruit and other substances you'll either need heavy duty bleaching, or use of enzymes. Protein stains and soils OTOH can be dealt with normally quite well with these sort of detergents. Relative high pH breaks down protein (which is why you cannot use such strong detergents on wool or silk), this includes blood. Commercial laundries largely don't use enzymes because cycles are just too short. Places doing say hospital laundry which contains lots of blood stained items simply do a series of cold/warm flushes, then a warm pre-wash (with a "break"), then one, two or three high temperature washes (no more than about ten to 12 minutes long) with strong relatively high pH detergent. This or some sort of alkaline booster is added. Next comes a bleach cycle, a few rinses, then sour and or softener, finally wash is extracted. From start to finish usually is no more than 30-35 minutes. Places doing hospital laundry in UK until recently and still for all I know did blood stained wash with nothing more than soap, sodium metasilicate and perborate bleach. A few high temperature washes and all was clean. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK | ||
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Post# 1045052 , Reply# 22 9/16/2019 at 03:19 (1,678 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Forgot to add
Using detergents heavily built with soda and other caustics like sodium metasilicate can leave things feeling harsh and scratchy. Hence use of "sours" in final or one of the last rinses. Acidity lowers the final pH of laundry making it feel softer and less likely to irritate skin. It does this in part by dissolving any remaining solids (mainly sodium bicarbonate which is residue from sodium carbonate), much in same way one uses vinegar or any other weak acid to clean away limescale.
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| Post# 1045120 , Reply# 23 9/16/2019 at 19:22 (1,677 days old) by bendixmark (Winchester Mass) | ||
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Fresh Start I got the bottle for the low low discount price of 75 dollars. | ||
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Post# 1045141 , Reply# 24 9/17/2019 at 00:33 (1,677 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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You Never ! | ||
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Post# 1045546 , Reply# 25 9/21/2019 at 12:13 (1,672 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia ) |
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Fresh Start replaced by Start Fresh
The side label reminds the consumer...protect thy skin and eyes! No chemistry course needed. If it cleans so well, I wonder if it will remove paint from a building or a car, with a little power washing unit. :-0
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