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Post# 1055278   12/23/2019 at 19:47 (196 days old) by rickr (.)        

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This time I have really had it with this one. I have more man hours in this machine, than any other. It was just an empty shell when I got it, so I attempted to make a Multimatic transmission overhaul for it, with two parts transmissions. There were not enough good parts between the two to do so. Then I obtained a Rollermatic Transmission (non rapid dry)and converted the machine to that. Not an easy task. On the start of the spin cycle it would always chatter. I tried new rollers, cleaning the rollers, etc, etc, and finally learned to "live with it" After eight years, with light use,and minor other repairs, the chatter got so bad I stopped using the machine. Last month, I found a 1965 Rollermatic( with rapid dry)for free. (non running) I made the double capacitor up from parts at Mouser and installed, and the machine ran fine. So I removed the transmission and timer(because the timer is rapid dry only) from the 1965 machine, and installed them into the 1960 machine. Everything ran fine at first. Then the motor shorted out, and would trip the breaker. That was it for me. I broke it down for parts, and scrapped it. My neighbor kid, Darryon, helped me haul it out of the basement today. I loved the looks of this machine, however it was always a piece of shit. And I am glad that the scrappers will haul it away to become a new Toyota for someone. May it be a better car, than it was a washing machine. Should be no problem!

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Post# 1055282 , Reply# 1   12/23/2019 at 20:17 (196 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Rick, that's some serious PO'ed!

Post# 1055285 , Reply# 2   12/23/2019 at 20:20 (196 days old) by rickr (.)        

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Kenny, I am going to get coal for Christmas..... I worked on this SOB for three days.... Wish I could watch them crush it....(:

Post# 1055301 , Reply# 3   12/23/2019 at 21:11 (196 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Iím there with ya

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I did a bearing replacement on a 1-18 and got a nice smooth spin but at the expense of horrible leaking and no brake. It was better off having a loud spin. I wonít do work on Frigidaires anymore.

Post# 1055303 , Reply# 4   12/23/2019 at 21:12 (196 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Giving back to the universe..

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It's a multimatic, put it out of its misery!   With all that metal, it will be reincarnated in a couple of cars, and a dryer.   

Post# 1055306 , Reply# 5   12/23/2019 at 21:35 (196 days old) by rickr (.)        

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I am done with the Frigidaires as well. Life is much too short for that type of frustration. In my opinion they were never a great machine. Low capacity, tangled, would set wrinkles with that violent spin, balance issues, motor issues, they had two types of pumps. Ones that leaked, or the ones that are going to leak next week... I could go on and on. The fact that GM changed the design so many times, is telling in itself. Other brands kept the same mechanism for decades, while Frigidaire would change theirs yearly at times. They looked pretty, and the control panels were always cool, but in reality they were an all porcelain turd. I still have my 1966 Custom Imperial set, and plenty of spare parts for it. But I will not mess with any more of them. The owner of the appliance store where I buy my parts has always been very good to me. His father started the business in 1966. He told me a long time ago, "The best way to fix a Frigidaire is to purchase a Kenmore". Now I know exactly what he meant.

Post# 1055313 , Reply# 6   12/23/2019 at 22:24 (196 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0600 CDT.))        
I will get burned alive for this:

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But I don't care! If you want a truly reliable, good performing TL washer that is easy to fix and will handle heavy and very dirty loads with ease. Get a low mileage WP/KM DD that still does a full rinse.

Post# 1055315 , Reply# 7   12/23/2019 at 22:59 (196 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Re Frigidaire

Probably the best overall machines ever made BUT HARD to work on and very tedious to get right, Still Many many of them ran 20 30 or more years with never a service call

Post# 1055321 , Reply# 8   12/23/2019 at 23:42 (196 days old) by Glhturbo2 (Reidsville, NC)        

I could use the control panel from this machine! I would gladly pay shipping for it!

Thank You,


Post# 1055382 , Reply# 9   12/24/2019 at 13:59 (195 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Please don't let these get away!

I will pay you your asking price plus shipping for the top (minus the control panel that Tyler wants). Where are you located? UPS stores will pack and ship. John might want the other stuff like the tub and cabinet. Please let us know how we can work with you to save this treasure.

Merry Christmas and Thank you.

Post# 1055385 , Reply# 10   12/24/2019 at 14:53 (195 days old) by rickr (.)        

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Sorry guys, they were gone this morning. The scrap metal scavengers around here do not play.... Merry Christmas to all!

Post# 1055422 , Reply# 11   12/24/2019 at 18:56 (195 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Yeah ....

I would have done the same, pretty much name your price.

Funny how people always looking for old Frigidaire washers on this site or sharing their restoration stories of the same. I just put rickr on my block list because I will commit suicide if I ever hear another story like this one again.

Post# 1055424 , Reply# 12   12/24/2019 at 20:04 (195 days old) by imperial70 (******)        
what a shame

I can't believe someone would scrap something vintage. It may be junk to them but it was someones treasure too. Unbelievable. They can't be AW enthusiasts.

Post# 1055426 , Reply# 13   12/24/2019 at 20:52 (195 days old) by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Iím sorry, but you canít save everything and itís great to say offer something to others, but then they have to actually collect it. I think itís pretty inappropriate to attack someone regardless, but Rick has been a member a long time and done many restorations.

Bud, if your prepared to commit suicide over a washing machine, then you should probably seek help. If those are just words, then maybe rethink your language, because your unbelievably offensive.

Merry Christmas


Post# 1055427 , Reply# 14   12/24/2019 at 21:08 (195 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor)        

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I agree with Nathan. I have rebuilt engines, rebuilt appliances and after 60+ years, I honestly dont want to look at another tool. If it dont work, I call someone to fix it. My doctor said I beat my body up trying to do 3 peoples job by myself all my life and STOP. My old red trim Maytag wringer's gearcase is froze up and there is no way I am going to tear it down and fix it. Anyone wants it can have it or its going to the scrapper when I sell this place. But that doesnt mean I am NOT an appliance enthusiast.

Post# 1055431 , Reply# 15   12/24/2019 at 21:53 (195 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
You can't Save It All

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I am still waiting for Tyler to come get a 1962 LKM TL portable DW for over 9 months , if anyone else wants it come and get it.


We still see center dial and other DC Mts every month getting junked as well as GE FFs, WP&KM BD washers and lots of older Hobart KA DWs.


There is an 18# GE FF from the late 80s on the back of the truck now in decent condition that will get junked next week along with a KM gas 70 series dryer that still works well.


Happy Holidays To All


John L.

Post# 1055432 , Reply# 16   12/24/2019 at 21:57 (195 days old) by rickr (.)        

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I have not posted much in the last while, so many people do not even know me. And that is my own fault. I will try to post more often, and include some of the restorations of antique items I have restored. I retired early from my job, a few years ago, and since have become an antique dealer. So I do restorations on many types of antiques. With that being said, some things are not savable. Be it the cost of the restoration, or time involved, or simply the fact that there is no market for the antique item. This washer I scrapped was an item that was disqualified because of the time involved. I spent way too much time on it in the past ten years, and again in the last few days. And that is the reality of the situation. Anyone who has done antique restorations of any kind can surely relate to this, and the ones who cannot, are simply "armchair quarterbacks" so to speak. Merry Christmas to all!

Post# 1055463 , Reply# 17   12/25/2019 at 06:12 (194 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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I can't believe someone would scrap something vintage. It may be junk to them but it was someones treasure too. Unbelievable. They can't be AW enthusiasts.

You don't know Rick or anything about him, If you ever saw his house, or his washer collection, you would never say that. He's done some amazing things with machines sitting in a woods for 10-15 years or more that I helped him remove. That I thought were scrap metal.


Had he offered it to the public, were any of you prepared to go and retrieve it?


 Merry Christmas, all!

Post# 1055477 , Reply# 18   12/25/2019 at 08:32 (194 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

To each his own Rick, we all have our favorites and dislikes and we can't keep everything is right! Me if I could only have one vintage washer it would be my 1958 Frigidaire Unimatic, which has been trouble free for me now for nearly 20 years. I can't imagine towels without it!

Post# 1055479 , Reply# 19   12/25/2019 at 08:38 (194 days old) by imperial70 (******)        

It just seemed cruel. To post it the way it was posted. I am not one to restore appliances. Don't have the space or the time. But I see so many others here that do their best to make sure product they can't use gets passed around. If it were me and I couldn't wait, I would have quietly scrapped the stuff at that point. I wouldn't be bragging about it. I got caught up in how hurtful the post felt to some. I'm sorry. :-(

Post# 1055482 , Reply# 20   12/25/2019 at 08:54 (194 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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Iím the purist, myself...

And, no, no You-Tubes of destruction allowed here, or any ďstillsĒ of the like...

ó Dave

Post# 1055483 , Reply# 21   12/25/2019 at 08:54 (194 days old) by rickr (.)        

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I was pissed off when I made the original post, for sure! With that being said, I am glad that I no longer have this project "on my plate" I do use my 1966 Custom Imperial weekly for towels, and love the way the drying time is cut due to the 1010 spin speed. So Robert, that is very true. Mine has been in service for about 15 years, without any problems. Can't say it is my favorite, but it does have advantages, 52 weeks a year. 780 trouble free loads, is not bad!

Post# 1055498 , Reply# 22   12/25/2019 at 10:33 (194 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
Well said ......

Imperial70, well said.

Post# 1055511 , Reply# 23   12/25/2019 at 13:54 (194 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        
Oh am I gonna get mean-mouthed for this...

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As I've bored everyone with my teenage memoirs many times, the very large store I worked in as a "kid" was primarily a Frigidaire dealer...and it's still there but closing soon (edited). As far as working on trade-ins for resale, no Multimatic machines were allowed, and the store's parts department stocked just about anything you'd need. They just weren't dependable like Unimatics or belt-drive Whirlpool/Kenmores, and there were a lot of Multimatics traded  in. All the used appliances were guaranteed. It seems a vintage major appliance can easily become similar to a classic car...a money pit. 


Merry Christmas to all members. 

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Post# 1055514 , Reply# 24   12/25/2019 at 14:11 (194 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Joe, per the thread I posted a few days ago, the store where you worked isn't going to be "still there" as of April 2020.


I've witnessed some '50s and '60s Frigidaires washing and was impressed by their quiet operation.  I thought they all were thumpers that were problem-prone.  It seems that only applies to Multimatics, which sound like they were worse for reliability than anything Norge ever turned out.

Post# 1055524 , Reply# 25   12/25/2019 at 15:50 (194 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
not restorable or fixable...

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doesn't mean not usable for parts, some of which could have saved another machine or two...bottom line. I've fixed/restored many vintage cars over 40 years, something can always be saved and put into other grateful hands so that another machine may live, and many of these parts will never be made again, what a waste.
my $.02

Post# 1055882 , Reply# 26   12/29/2019 at 13:43 (190 days old) by MaytagNeptune (Interlochen MI)        
I spotted Swear words in some of the posts

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I'm not trying to disrespect or argue with a adult member but I noticed swear words in the first posts. I noticed the S word and the P word. the TOS says No swearing in the public forums. Again I'm not trying to disrespect a Adult member I'm just saying I think this should be moved to DL because of swear words.

Post# 1055900 , Reply# 27   12/29/2019 at 15:33 (190 days old) by potatochips (Nova Scotia)        

There is no sense losing sleep over scrapped rare and vintage parts. Sure its sad, but its not the end of the world. Sometimes machines can become so frustrating. I reckon there is little market outside of us who want these parts and machines, and I often wonder if anyone is really willing to take machines from other members who are offering them. For instance, I have an HA806 and HA808 set, mostly fully restored. Anyone want them?

Post# 1055924 , Reply# 28   12/29/2019 at 19:54 (190 days old) by bradfordwhite (space coast)        

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When it comes down to it we each have the right to do with our possessions as we see fit.  Sometimes, when we've put a lot of work into something.... and money.... and time..... and it still doesn't work...


It feels pretty good trashing it.  Perhaps taking a sledgehammer to it and venting, then ditching the bits in the metal scrap bin to be remade into something nice.


I've only found it necessary to do this maybe 4 times in my life.  Just remember, always wear safety glasses, long pants, long sleeve shirt, and don't smash stuff where flying bits will hit other things like cars.  


Wishing you the best successes with your other projects RickR.



Post# 1056469 , Reply# 29   1/4/2020 at 10:07 (184 days old) by kenmore_elite (Cal)        

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Sounds like that Frigidaire got on your last nerve.
That happened to me with a VCR back in the day. It was an early one, and heavy as all get out. It started doing weird things but I found if I gave it a kick (It sat near the floor) it would fix itself. As time went on it needed more kicking. Finally one day in the MIDDLE of a movie I was extremely interested in, it took a dump. I ejected the video and re-inserted... it played for a minute and took another dump. I went through this several times before I dragged the VCR from it's perch, got my hammer out and "adjusted" the hell out of the damm thing. Beating that thing to death was SO SATISFYING. Afterwards I dragged it out for the alley-hounds to scanvenge. It was gone in a day and I breathed a sigh of relief.

Post# 1056492 , Reply# 30   1/4/2020 at 17:02 (184 days old) by rickr (.)        
Sounds like that Frigidaire got on your last nerve.

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Yes, it really did! I was SO sick of messing with it! I did not smash it, or anything. I saved the parts I could use, and scrapped the rest. It was intact at the edge of the alley, but not for long. The scrap metal scavengers are "on it" around here. I have done many other laundry machines, jukeboxes, electronics, homes, you name it. But this thing, was just too much. For one thing, I had ended up installing a Rollermatic transmission in it, when it was designed for a Multimatic. So the wiring was different, etc. It did run for about eight years, but the spin part of the Rollermatic was giving out. I tried another Rollermatic transmission in it, and had it running, but the motor shorted out. I was DONE! Here is a link to when it was working, with the first Rollermatic transmission.


Post# 1059582 , Reply# 31   2/4/2020 at 14:18 by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
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There was a time when I just didn't get it--mostly with house parts--why would someone trash knotty pine paneling, pink toilets... then I started doing small appliances...

The more i began to work on things and learn about construction, appliances, fixtures, whatever, the more accepting I became of people who put things on the curb. If it's not functional enough for the thrift or ReStore, it's taking up physical and psychological space and you just need to get rid of it, let it go and let the guilt go with it.

One of my close friends was one of the worst to rant and criticize people who trash tongue and groove flooring, paneling etc. instead of salvaging it. But when it came time for me to rip out the knotty pine paneling and tongue and groove flooring in the country house kitchen, she couldn't make time to salvage it. I trashed it. It takes 5 times as long to reclaim and salvage as it does to demolish. It may be valuable and someone may want it, but no one is going to pay what your time is worth to buy it. You're on schedule, your contractors need to get in to run plumbing, pull wire and sheetrock. And you know what, there's still a lot of reclaimable wood in that pile, but she hasn't come down to get it.

Architectural salvage may seem like a bigger deal than appliances, but it's not. It may be sad to see something go on the curb, but it made a lot of sense to the person who put it there.

As some have already said, the time it takes to harvest parts, the space they take up until they find a home and the time it takes to pack and ship can be more than someone wants to deal with, and, yeah, there are some things that have been so much trouble that beating it with a hammer or torching it is extremely satisfying the person who has been trying to make it work.

So, this is a long way of saying, be tolerant. I think we can work with the assumption that everyone who has joined this forum and participates has some respect for preserving old things.


Post# 1059598 , Reply# 32   2/4/2020 at 16:56 by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Amen, Sarah...


Post# 1059631 , Reply# 33   2/5/2020 at 00:41 by tolivac (greenville nc)        

My brother loves to do woodworking projects with salvaged floor lumber and paneling.when someone is doing a renovation he is right there to salvage the old lumber.Some of the floors in his house came from an old downtown hotel lobby!BEAUTIFUL!!!!

Post# 1059712 , Reply# 34   2/6/2020 at 01:47 by sarahperdue (Alabama)        

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I hope your brother is more careful than I seem to be. I was pulling nails out of trim Saturday when a piece kicked back on me and drove a rusted nail clean through my right ring finger. It missed the bone, and my carpenter friend was there so I didnít have to deal with it by myself. I went all helpless female, handed him finger with the nail and board attached. Jerry, I said, take care of this, and he did.

Itís not too bad really (and, yes, I got a tetanus shot. If had gotten one a month ago, I probably would have gone in for a booster.


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