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Post# 1056955   1/8/2020 at 22:57 (1,541 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

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LG just announced a new smart washer that uses artificial intelligence to determine the kind of cycle to use based on what type of laundry is placed inside. It also has a detergent and fabric softener dispensing system as well as their new Turbowash 360 system. It will even tell the dryer what cycle to use based on what it washed. Here is a link to their announcement at CES 2020:




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Post# 1056977 , Reply# 1   1/9/2020 at 04:40 (1,541 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Imma just follow-up here as well. :D

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Post# 1057175 , Reply# 2   1/10/2020 at 18:45 (1,539 days old) by tomdawg (Des moines)        

I found it somewhere, that the square door model is wm4500hba- there is a retailer online that says they'll start shipping it 1/23-127... I don't know if that really true.
In another video on LG Global on youtube, theres another model coming out, on the door it says real tempered glass. Im not sure what that really means, but soon it will come out with more info. Im excited to get these!

The square door model has smaller looking baffles, or i should say, it looks stainless steel and built right into the tub.


Post# 1057216 , Reply# 3   1/11/2020 at 04:05 (1,539 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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The 24" models that have been out in Urope for months have the tempered glass door cover, as well as the stainless drum baffles.

www.lg.com/uk/washing-mac...


Post# 1057259 , Reply# 4   1/11/2020 at 13:28 (1,538 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I have a 15+yo toploader does that AI DD process.


Post# 1057260 , Reply# 5   1/11/2020 at 13:35 (1,538 days old) by appnut (TX)        
real tempered glass.

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I think that's a jab at Whirlpool's new line announced a year ago that appears to have plastic door "window".  


Post# 1057282 , Reply# 6   1/11/2020 at 18:00 (1,538 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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What level of intellect does the machine have preloaded?  Looks like it's not housebroken.   


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Post# 1084345 , Reply# 7   8/8/2020 at 09:26 (1,328 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

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Two new models are now appearing on LG's website:

www.lg.com/us/washers/lg-...

www.lg.com/us/washers/lg-wm4200h...

I really like the sleek look of the second one (WM4200HBA)


Post# 1084347 , Reply# 8   8/8/2020 at 09:34 (1,328 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Thank you David. Been looking for these for the past 3 weeks or so. Found them yesterday, but still no manuals. Appliance Connections says shipments late August, early September now.

Post# 1084348 , Reply# 9   8/8/2020 at 09:39 (1,328 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
auto-dosing system

I'm interested in the auto-dosing system. What do they look like and where are they located?

Post# 1084358 , Reply# 10   8/8/2020 at 11:22 (1,328 days old) by whatsername (Denver, CO)        

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Those do look nice. I am surprised the twin wash system has lived this long. It seemed like a gimmick at launch and I didn’t think they’d still be around. I’d like to get one with my next pair, just for fun. When I move the current set is going to stay with the house.

Post# 1084361 , Reply# 11   8/8/2020 at 11:51 (1,328 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Auto Dosing System

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The reservoir is built right into the dispenser drawer and holds 18 loads worth of detergent and fabric softener.



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Post# 1084362 , Reply# 12   8/8/2020 at 11:56 (1,328 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
dispenser

Which bulk dispenser is which? GE has theirs on the back of the dispenser. How do I know which one's which? This would be beneficial to me.

Post# 1084363 , Reply# 13   8/8/2020 at 11:57 (1,328 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Twin Wash

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My MIL and SIL have the LG 4370 with the twin wash pedestal washer. Wash temps are tepid at best, so I'm not really a fan but they both seem to love them.



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Post# 1084364 , Reply# 14   8/8/2020 at 11:59 (1,328 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

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If you zoom in on the pic, softener is on the left and detergent is on the right.

The LG app will even tell you when it needs to be refilled.


Post# 1084368 , Reply# 15   8/8/2020 at 12:23 (1,328 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
dispenser cap

is the lg bulk dispenser equipped with a flip cap like the GE or a screw on cap?

Post# 1084380 , Reply# 16   8/8/2020 at 14:07 (1,328 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Tepid Twin Wash at best

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I've been aware of that for quite some time. A disaster in my books. Plus might encourage others to think it's ok to do incessant small loads. Besides, thinking what some of those small loads could entail, tepid temps wouldn't be enough to clean.

Post# 1084464 , Reply# 17   8/9/2020 at 11:39 (1,327 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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The new 4500 and 4200 are on Home Depot's web site along with full product manual.

Post# 1084473 , Reply# 18   8/9/2020 at 14:10 (1,327 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

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Thanks Bob for pointing that out. It's interesting that turbowash can no longer be turned off during the normal or heavy duty cycles.

What I really like is with the 4500, you can totally adjust the amount of detergent and fabric softener dispensed. The default amounts can be increased or decreased in 0.1 oz (3 ml) increments, within a range of 0.3 oz (9 ml) to 6.0 oz (180 ml). And then you can further adjust it up or down depending on the load if you want. What I also like is the reservoirs can be removed and completely opened up for easy cleaning. This washer sounds brilliantly engineered. Whirlpool could learn a thing or two from LG.


Post# 1084475 , Reply# 19   8/9/2020 at 14:36 (1,327 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
Interesting...

It's interesting that lg has their own version of smart dispense. I wonder if their reservoir caps are the kinds you twist to open or close or a flip design. Also, what will the control panel be like? Will they have buttons or will they be touch screen operated? I'd like to know. I'm already interested.

Post# 1084476 , Reply# 20   8/9/2020 at 14:42 (1,327 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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David, my Duet has the ability to adjust the amount dispensed based upon the concentration level of the liquid itself (2x, 3x, ...) Then, the "hardness" or "softness" of the water. The machine further adjusts based upon cycle, load/garment weight, and soil level. Unfortunately that fine degree of dosage was eliminated with the current generation of WP/MT FLers. Based upon what I read as well as you pointing out, looks like the LG isn't as automatic, the user has to make adjustments particularly if the load size vary significantly from one to another.

Post# 1084485 , Reply# 21   8/9/2020 at 15:33 (1,327 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

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The reservoir caps twist off and the control panel has buttons. There is no touch screen. Go to Home Depot's website and read the manual.

Bob, LG's press release about the ezDispense said "LG’s new user-friendly ezDispense feature takes the guesswork out of detergent dosage by automatically adding the exact amount of liquid detergent and fabric softener customized for each load size at optimal times during the wash cycle for improved results".

I'm curious if LG's system is as intuitive as your WP's. My guess is probably not but it's still nice to have it dispense the detergent and fabric softener automatically.


Post# 1084488 , Reply# 22   8/9/2020 at 16:20 (1,327 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
it's nice to know

that as a blind user, I can find out how and where the buttons are organized. This will be perfect for me because I'd put too much or too little laundry detergent and fabric softener in their proper dispensers.

Post# 1084495 , Reply# 23   8/9/2020 at 17:45 (1,327 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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The text of the initial description is the same as for the WM3900 on the web page.

The brief mention of the AI DD feature in the manual leads me to believe that the Normal Cycle, when not selecting heavy soil, is supposed to be able to adapt to any type of load and perform accordingly. Then I want to fill the thing will a FULL load of towels, wash cloths, and hand towels and select Extra Hot and see what it would do. Has ALWAYS bugged the h*ll out of me that the towels cycle doesn't allow for extra hot or steam function. Towels cycle really should be called Jeans. And I still think it's silly to limit Brightest Whites to 15 lb. capacity. I couldn't do that.




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Post# 1084498 , Reply# 24   8/9/2020 at 18:47 (1,327 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
in addition,

I'd like to see how it would handle a heavy soiled load of colored clothes from kids from school or playing in the backyard on the normal cycle. The stunning question will be, how well will it wash?

Post# 1084572 , Reply# 25   8/10/2020 at 10:21 (1,326 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

The brightest whites thing is to ensure proper heating IIRC.


Having an EU AI DD, all we really get is different wash patterns and a cheap Miele PowerWash 2.0 knock off for cotton's.


It really is more like the Fisher&Paykel TL agitation adaption.


Post# 1086495 , Reply# 26   8/25/2020 at 12:42 (1,311 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        
henene4

LG have been putting jets in their machine long before Miele ever put them in theirs. The LG is not a cheap knock off. Its an entirely different system and the Miele is way overrated using such little water and is not clever enough to automatically know to add extra water or extra rinse when needed. On the Miele one has to select Water Plus - What in 2020!

At least an LG knows that it needs to automatically adjust its rinses.

The jet found in a Miele is also what has been found back in 90s and early 2000s Zanussi and AEG machines, its nothing amazing Just like Miele, being overrated and slipping quality standards.


Post# 1086499 , Reply# 27   8/25/2020 at 13:21 (1,311 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Read again

Cheap knock off of PW 2.0.

The steam heating part.


Not PowerWash.


Post# 1086615 , Reply# 28   8/26/2020 at 02:53 (1,311 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

For me I see zero value in an auto dispense system. As firmly confirmed pod person (laughing) it would be of no use to me.  Have always truly disliked liquid detergents and never use them.  Powder or pods, and pods are a big winner for me.


Post# 1086647 , Reply# 29   8/26/2020 at 10:02 (1,310 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Pods are the most expensive per dosage and I refuse to use them. Especially now being retired. My partner is somewhat laundry challenged and I need auto dosing to make it easier for him. Some day I may have to go back to just Tide w/Bleach Alternative powder.

Post# 1086652 , Reply# 30   8/26/2020 at 11:35 (1,310 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

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I agree with Bob and also refuse to use pods due to the cost per load. Liquids and powders are easy enough to dose and you can fine tune exactly how much you need based on load size and soil level. I also refuse to use pods in my dishwasher...

Post# 1086666 , Reply# 31   8/26/2020 at 13:21 (1,310 days old) by Agiflow4 ()        

The only pods I use are cascade pods and find they do great in the dishwasher. As for laundry it is only Tide regular powder or Tide/w bleach powder when I can get it.Tide is the ONLY powder left at my local ShopRite.

Post# 1086679 , Reply# 32   8/26/2020 at 16:43 (1,310 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
auto-dosing would be

beneficial for me, especially because I tend to use too much or too little laundry detergent and fabric softener. I use pods as an alternative.

Post# 1086772 , Reply# 33   8/27/2020 at 01:45 (1,310 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Cost wise I've never had an issue finding pods on sale at a reasonable cost.  As I said I will never use a liquid as I have a great dislike for the product.    Powder is fine but I like the results I get with pods so I'll stick with them.


Post# 1086779 , Reply# 34   8/27/2020 at 05:39 (1,310 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I'm smart

enough to operate a non smart appliance. Sorry, but all these new fangled smart things reminds me of the movie where a computer holds a woman hostage inside her house. Yes, fact is always strabger than fiction though.

Post# 1090400 , Reply# 35   9/23/2020 at 16:48 (1,282 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

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LG just posted five new videos about the new ezDispense system in the new WM 4500.

It's somewhat intuitive as it will automatically adjust the amount of softener and detergent dispensed up to 30% depending on the load size.


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Post# 1090501 , Reply# 36   9/24/2020 at 11:22 (1,281 days old) by jaums (Silver Spring, MD 20906 USA)        
Telling the dryer what to do . . . .

I'm looking at the WM4000 washer which seems to be the replacement for the famous WM3900.

Like the square door machines, the 4000 says it has the same AI stuff to analyze the load and make decisions and pass cycle info on to the dryer, but I don't see anything in the manuals for any of the AI.

I understand that the load analysis is automatic and will tweak whatever cycle you select, apparently no input from the user needed or possible.

Same for telling the dryer what to do? It says: "Washer can auto-select a compatible drying cycle." CAN select tells me I have a choice, but I don't see a button any info about how to use it/control it.

Anyone find anything?

Thanks!


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Post# 1090512 , Reply# 37   9/24/2020 at 12:54 (1,281 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Jaums, the manual says AI is only used with Normal cycle and as long as any soil setting but Heavy Soil is selected as well as Whites cycle and Rinse & Spin and any options for those two cycles.

Post# 1090526 , Reply# 38   9/24/2020 at 14:36 (1,281 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        
Everything old is new again

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Even my grandma's early 2000s Miele will adjust the Cotton cycle depending on the load sensed: cottons, synthetics or mixed loads... a different cycle pattern is executed. Wash time, tumble pattern, rinses, water level, spin profile - everything is adjusted. There's also a dedicated Automatic cycle to promote/take advantage of the sensing capabilities.

As far as the washer suggesting a cycle to the companion dryer: when GE brought the Harmony pair on the market (made by LG) the washer and dryer were connected via a serial cable and the washer would send a cycle suggestion to the dryer. When did they hit the market? 15 years ago?


Post# 1090543 , Reply# 39   9/24/2020 at 15:54 (1,281 days old) by jaums (Silver Spring, MD 20906 USA)        
Connect with a cable???

Connecting with !5G! the clothes will get MUCH dryer than with a cable. :-)

Post# 1090563 , Reply# 40   9/24/2020 at 17:10 (1,281 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA)        
Tide w/Bleach powder

Bob,

You turned me on to Tide w/Bleach Alternative and I haven't looked back.  Whites are white without LCB.


Post# 1090567 , Reply# 41   9/24/2020 at 17:46 (1,281 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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The modern day mantra

If ya can't build it to last, build it with gimmicks.


Post# 1090582 , Reply# 42   9/24/2020 at 19:52 (1,281 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        
If ya can't build it to last, build it with gimmicks.

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Truer words were never spoken.

Post# 1090586 , Reply# 43   9/24/2020 at 20:37 (1,281 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
return of the GE reincarnation of smart dispense

brought to you by lg. I don't have to worry about measuring laundry detergent and fabric softener again! Why didn't most manufacturers think of this idea?

Post# 1090595 , Reply# 44   9/24/2020 at 23:07 (1,281 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Paul, glad I could be of assistance.


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