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Post# 1057621   1/15/2020 at 00:06 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        

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Oh what ever shall I do?

Noticed little icon on lower right side of computer all day, but didn't really bother. Finally early evening got blue screen message from MS reminding one that today was 14 January and afterwards Windows 7 would no longer be supported.

Kind message also advised one to be "safe" and buy a new computer with Windows 10 installed. What cheek....

Will have to take one's chances going it alone as am not rubbishing a perfectly good desktop just to make Mr. Bill Gates even more wealthy.

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Post# 1057628 , Reply# 1   1/15/2020 at 02:43 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

As has been mentioned before try a Linux Live USB, you might like it.  I use Linux Mint, dual boot either windows or Mint and rarely ever use Windows unless there is a program or two that really require it.


You can easily try various flavors, free, on a USB stick.  Pretty easy to import your bookmarks and such.  While not totally immune Linux is much harder to hack into so security is quite good and updates generally do not require a reboot or many minutes to install.  My systems run 24/7 for months at a time before a reboot.

Post# 1057630 , Reply# 2   1/15/2020 at 04:24 by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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W7 to W10 updates have been available from Microsoft for free.  Unknown if/when this offer expires.

Post# 1057634 , Reply# 3   1/15/2020 at 05:06 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Yeahbut there may be complications upgrading to W10.

The Christie digital projector management software doesn't work on W10 last I'm aware.

The backup software I've been using for years would require another $$$ update to work with W10.


Post# 1057673 , Reply# 4   1/15/2020 at 15:34 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        
Unknown if/when this offer expires

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I'm not any Windows expert, but I recall hearing of these updates. From what I've heard recently, the offer officially has long since expired. But it was apparently oddly still possible to do the free upgrade, and I think I've read articles talking about these upgrades in recent months.

Post# 1057676 , Reply# 5   1/15/2020 at 15:53 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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Will have to take one's chances going it alone as am not rubbishing a perfectly good desktop just to make Mr. Bill Gates even more wealthy.


You probably won't be alone (although the specific reason for not upgrading might vary--a big reason I keep hearing in one computer user Facebook group is "I hate Windows 10!")


I'll post a link to an article talking about Windows 7 in the age of no support. It's not something I'd do, and it's not something I'd suggest others do. But this article does have some good discussion of the various issues.


One issue this article mentions that dooms any hope of keeping Windows 7 going forever is that at some point in the future, web browsers will stop supporting Windows 7. Even past security issues, some sites may stop working with outdated browsers.

Post# 1057677 , Reply# 6   1/15/2020 at 16:03 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I use Linux Mint, dual boot either windows or Mint and rarely ever use Windows unless there is a program or two that really require it.


I've used Linux for years. It's now my primary OS.


There is a lot of fuss about "can't run all the software Windows can!" But Linux has software that does all the basics (web browsing, word processing, etc), and for a lot of people--including me--it's more than enough.



As has been mentioned before try a Linux Live USB, you might like it. 


It's amazing how well the live USB approach works. It's probably  not as fast as a hard disk install, but it can be good enough to get a real sense of how a given Linux distro will work. I was trying different distros a few months ago, and it live USB sticks were so great! I could create a stick, play with the distro, get a feeling for it, wipe that distro off the USB stick and try something else.


And at least one distro is even designed work with the idea that it can be used long term off a USB stick.



While not totally immune Linux is much harder to hack into so security is quite good and updates generally do not require a reboot or many minutes to install. 


It's worth pointing out that any system connected to the Internet can in theory be compromised. But it's a lot less likely to happen with Linux than Windows.


Post# 1057685 , Reply# 7   1/15/2020 at 16:34 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I was trying to triple boot, Windows, Mint and Cinnamon Ubuntu but ran into issues with disk partitions.


I have two programs not compatible with Linux, but they are rarely used so no issues- other than the interminable update Windows makes me go through when I have to use them.


If you use Ubuntu using UNetbootin to create a USB drive you can specify space to keep settings and such from boot to boot.

Post# 1057692 , Reply# 8   1/15/2020 at 16:48 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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I've not had any trouble with multiple partitions and multi boot. But I'm not using Windows, and my comptuer is old--pre UEFI.


I think I'd even read a suggestion of having Windows on its own hard drive. I think one issue with Windows might be it installing its own boot loader when doing routine updates, but I can't remember for sure.


Post# 1057716 , Reply# 9   1/15/2020 at 19:51 by Launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage)        
IIRC Upgrading to Windows 10

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Caused no end of trouble for a good number of users. That could be why MS now strongly recommends buying new with Windows 10 already installed.

Post# 1057832 , Reply# 10   1/16/2020 at 20:04 by bradfordwhite (space coast)        

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I can get Win 10 for free AND am not interested.

I don't care for win 8 or 10, which is the same thing with a few changes.

I won't do 10. I hate the look of it. I hate the way it works. I won't do it.

Things to consider:
1. As long as you have a computer Anti-Virus program this up to date, your computer should be safe because it's the first line of defense.

2. Win 7 has a LOT of users even today. Microsoft has pulled this crap before claiming they were going to stop "supporting" it. They set other false end dates years ago.

3. This is a stunt to sell more computers. Are they going to claim next year that 10 will be coming to an end and we'd need to "upgrade" to another, slightly different, overpriced, computer and operating system? I'm not buying it.

4. Any computers you don't use online are not affected.

Post# 1057847 , Reply# 11   1/16/2020 at 22:46 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

It's more than viruses and that's the real issue.  There are exploits that find holes in the system and get in that way.  The code for windows and any operating system is massive with lots of places that can be hacked.


In today;s world I would not run a system without security updates. 

Post# 1057905 , Reply# 12   1/17/2020 at 13:17 by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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You might be pleasantly surprised how well Win10 runs on your machine. I've updated some *really* low-end systems to Win10 with success.

The latest I did was a 2009-era netbook, which originally came with the stripped-down ULCPC version of Windows XP. So that's four generations of newer software on it (XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10). The low-end Atom N280 processor is literally less than 2% of the CPU power of what you can find in a new laptop, yet Win10 installed without a hitch. It's slower to use than it was with XP of course, but it's still a functional machine (and importantly, patched and safe to use on the internet) more than a decade after it was built.

If you want to try it with low risk, one option is to clone your hard drive (or SSD) to a new SSD, then swap the drives and perform the Win10 update. If you don't like Win10 after doing that, just put your old drive back in.

Post# 1058060 , Reply# 13   1/18/2020 at 18:56 by gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Au)        

I use Linux and highly recommend it, depends on your needs of course. I use Mint XFCE. It does everything I need.

My partner uses Windows, was using 7 till a few weeks ago, we did the free upgrade to 10 and it was much easier than we expected. All went swimmingly and the computer works somewhat faster than before. We did the upgrade, not a wipe-and-reinstall, it kept all files and software installed. We backed everything up first, of course.

we may still do a wipe-and-reinstall in future, as it still runs a bit slow at times, though not as bad as it was before.

A simple google search of "free upgrade windows 7 to 10" will give many matches, some say that you can't upgrade for free, only a new install, but during installation the installer detected an existing install of 7 and offered to upgrade and keep all files and software so I crossed my fingers and said yes - it worked.


Personally I much prefer Linux Mint. Easier interface, less trouble and drama, fabulous software all free, and the warm inner glow of participating in a community driven project.


My partner needed to resize some photos and didn't have any photo editing software so I opened the files on my computer and used GIMP to resize and gave them back. (Of course GIMP is available for Windows too.)



Post# 1058087 , Reply# 14   1/18/2020 at 23:31 by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

I've been using Linux Ubuntu for years. I find it's more than sufficient for my personal needs. My only complaint is that moving disc partitions is more complicated than with Windows 7, which is also on the same laptops.

My only issue is that I do video interpreting for several companies, each of which have their own software. None of them work out of the box on Linux so I'm sort of stuck with upgrading to Windows 10. I am not amused.

Aside from being inherently somewhat more secure than Windows, Linux has another advantage: Economies of scale. If one's planning to write some sort of malware for windows it requires 'X' amount of resource investment. Windows has 'Y' number of users who're potential targets. For Linux your 'X' is a lot larger and your 'Y' is a lot smaller. I.e. greater investment required with less potential payoff.

Mac offers greater security than Windows for the same reasons. However, there's one big difference.... No matter how old your computer is, there's almost definitely at least one flavour of Linux that'll run smoothly on it. AFAIK, it's extremely difficult to install a mac OS onto a computer originally designed for Windows and the system requirements are MUCH higher.


Post# 1058094 , Reply# 15   1/19/2020 at 02:34 by bradfordwhite (space coast)        

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My biggest complaint is the look and redundancy of 10.

I'm not going to look at anything ugly black, gray, green, or hideous blue.

Show me how to get 10 to look like this: vs. ugly on page 2

without all those redundant "tiles" and I will entertain the possibility of 10.

Strict rules: I do NOT DO millenium grunge. No Ugly.
Put my foot down on this 15 years ago. It's not changing.
It doesn't matter if it's interior decor, movies, cars, clothing, habits, computers, appliances..... NO GRUNGE.

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Post# 1058097 , Reply# 16   1/19/2020 at 02:59 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I got rid of the tiles in 10, don't recall how, but think it was just clicking the menu button

Post# 1058118 , Reply# 17   1/19/2020 at 13:37 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Windows XP

We are still running Windows XP on one computer. I need to copy some files out of it and probably get rid of it. It has Firefox which still has some security. I also have a SONY VAIO laptop which had Win 7 and I let it convert to Win 10. I finally got a current computer with Win 10 and redid the SONY from scratch and I will say it works much better. I copied all of the files on a usb drive and still have all of the software on CD's so I can reinstall if I want. The new computer is really nice mainly because of the Solid State Drive, really fast start up and really fast updating. Of course no CD drive but I bought a cheap outboard one for my software. I still like Turbo Tax on a CD.

I really like Windows 10 and the tiles are only on the tablet version, which I can use as my new computer is a two in one. Another great idea even if I do not use the tablet form much. I would rather have a real keyboard. I am using Firefox and Norton security along with DuckDuckGo for search. But the main thing I like is that SSD drive.

Post# 1058127 , Reply# 18   1/19/2020 at 16:18 by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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>> We are still running Windows XP on one computer. I need to copy some files out of it and probably
>> get rid of it. It has Firefox which still has some security.

Mozilla hasn't updated Firefox for WinXP since late 2018... Sorry to say it, but you really don't have any security at all running an OS and browser that are both so far out of date...

Post# 1058128 , Reply# 19   1/19/2020 at 16:55 by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Opera 36

I agree that I should get rid of the computer, at least disconnect it from the internet. I may get Opera 36, still available for download. When I downloaded Firefox, it still supported XP (couple of years ago) and I took off Internet Explorer. We really don't use that computer, but it has some photo files.

Post# 1058133 , Reply# 20   1/19/2020 at 18:10 by superocd (PNW)        

I don't have to worry about Windows 7 being EOL, because I use Ubuntu Linux. My wife uses macOS Catalina on her MacBook Air. I haven't used Windows (personally) since college, if you don't count the ancient copies of Windows I run on my vintage PC collection or a seldom-used Windows virtual machine on my main PC.

My wife, however, has been telling me all kinds of horror stories when the hospital where she works as a CICU RN, upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10. They were unable to do their charting a week after the rollout and had to do all of their charting on paper, the old fashioned way. Then the hospital IT thought the problem was "fixed" until charts on patients weren't coming up -- they disappeared and apparently didn't get synchronized to a server or something. My wife told me that they had to have some engineer of the software company (Epic) come to the hospital -- apparently they caught a flight and was there at the hospital the same day to fix the problem.

After the charting fiasco was settled, she told me that she and all the other nurses would try to print something and it would never print, but they could print just fine at the other nurse station. They later found out that their print jobs done at nurse station #1 was printing a couple floors above the CICU. Then the Pyxis machine (basically a computerized locking medicine repository) decided that it wasn't going to work and none of the nurses or doctors could get access to the Pyxas as it wasn't loading or something -- apparently it runs Windows 10 too. The CICU charge would have to unlock the Pyxis manually with a key every time meds were needed. Happened on other floors as well. The vendor of the Pyxis needed to come down for that one too.

According to my wife, they very seldom had any technical issues when everything ran Windows 7. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Windows 10 decides when it's going to update -- it can be delayed, but it'll eventually just do it without asking. The issue is that many large companies and organizations like hospitals use the Professional version of Windows, which has worked fine in the past. However, realize that the Professional version of Windows 10 does not give end-users -- and in the case of companies and organizations like the hospital, IT support techs/systems administrators -- complete control of certain things, including updates. It's Microsoft's way of getting larger businesses and organizations to buy the Enterprise versions. I think a lot of IT people, like those at the hospital where my wife works at, are finding out/have found out the hard way that they can no longer rely on the Professional version of Windows if they need to have control over updates and what the OS needs to do.

Fortunately for me, my only interaction with Windows 10 is with a laptop issued by the company I work for (residential and commercial HVAC). Everything is done on a web app through Microsoft Edge -- retrieving service calls, closing service calls, updating service calls, ordering parts... hard to screw up in my opinion and everything works fine for me thus far, but like I said, that's because I can do everything through Edge.

Post# 1058135 , Reply# 21   1/19/2020 at 18:13 by bradfordwhite (space coast)        

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SSD is DEFINITELY recommended.

When I converted over around 2014 they were still pricey and you could buy smaller ones like 30 and 60 GB. At the prices they're at now, why would you want anything smaller.

What a difference though. No noise, no vibration, no fear of bumping your computer and it ruining your hard drive. I've never had an SSD go bad but when I had the old platter type, numerous times lost data to them being damaged.

And you can't even sell the old style anymore. I have a new 500 GB one that came in a security camera system I changed out for an SSD.
Got it listed for $10 = no takers.

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Post# 1058168 , Reply# 22   1/19/2020 at 23:33 by dartman (Portland Oregon)        

If you like 7 it will continue to work till something crashes. Make a hard backup and store it somewhere safe and be happy. There's a way to get get extended support for free if you look around to some of the geek sites that do hacks and work arounds if you're really worried about it. I use one win7 64 box to run windows media center has it's still the only os that fully supprts cable card tuners like the HD Homrun Prime 3 tuner HDTV cable card I run. 8 and 8.1 supports it too but I don't have a license for them and I like the 7 layout. I was running wmc on 10 with a hacked version but they finally changed things enough it quit working so I updated my old 7 box and transferred everything to it and I use 10 for everything else. It works quickly and has run as modes so that you can make most programs made to only run on earlier versions work. I set the home screen to look very similar to 7 and I'm happy other than not working with media center anymore. They always try to say when your older OS is no longer supported it will magically explode and stop working the next day, not true, just no new updates. As long as you're running a decent firewall and anti virus software you should be fine till it crashes and like I said make a backup and keep it up to date. I have fixed totally not booting setups with some of the free boot repair softwares out there, saving me from burning it down and starting over. My 10 box I bought a new ssd drive and did a fresh install from scratch but USUALLY the upgrade from 7 will work fine and allows you to go back if you don't like it for a while. As long as you have a legit key for 7 you can still upgrade to 10 for free even if they claim it doesn't work now. They never actually blacklisted the upgrade to this date. If you have 7 ultimate you can upgrade to 10 pro etc.

Post# 1058175 , Reply# 23   1/20/2020 at 05:30 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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A/V vendors will stop supporting "old" OSes at some point ... such as Mozilla did for XP and Vista.† That's somewhat more of a concern for A/V than for a browser.† Definition updates may continue for a while longer than program updates.† I use free Avast, the last program update (running on Win7) was 9/19/2019 which is much longer ago than usual.† Definitions updated 2 mins ago.

All my Win7s are Pro.† That doesn't provide a direct upgrade path to 10 Pro?

Post# 1058195 , Reply# 24   1/20/2020 at 11:07 by superocd (PNW)        

You can upgrade from 7 Pro to 10 Pro, however, 10 Pro is basically the standard version only with the ability to join domains, Remote Desktop functionality, the ability to have Group Policy restrictions applied to your machine if joined to an Active Directory domain and BitLocker encryption. Everything else -- the bloatware, the spyware, and forced updates still remain. For those who have 7 Home Basic/Home Premium, the standard version of 8/8.1, there really is no advantage to Pro unless you need those features as Microsoft has basically turned Pro into a home version with the ability to connect to a corporate network. You still have all the bloat, spyware through all the different tracking and telemetry settings (which often reset to "On" after updates and less control of how Windows 10 functions. You might as well upgrade to the standard version of 10 or just use Linux or macOS.

I suppose individual home users could deal with this but, unlike past Professional versions, using 10 Pro would be unacceptable to use in medium to large companies and organizations as IT admins are given less control over 10 Pro than they are with the Enterprise version. It's Microsoft's way of forcing IT departments to purchase the more expensive and volume licensed Enterprise version. The hospital of which my wife works found this out the hard way.

Post# 1058221 , Reply# 25   1/20/2020 at 16:41 by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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I recently upgraded two Win 7 machines here at work because an update to our ERP software mandated the OS upgrade. My workstation computer has been running Win 10 for a while now.

At first I thought I was going to have to buy a license for each machine but an IT buddy suggested I try the Win 10 Upgrade Tool. I Googled and clicked and shortly thereafter had both machines upgraded to Win 10 no fuss, no muss and no cost.

As for Win 10 I hate how it looks, a 1st grader could have designed the look of the GUI. But otherwise I really have near zero qualms with it. It runs just fine and hasn't really created any problems. As with most of the recent Windows updates, each successive one seems to make the computer more stable, I might almost say "Mac like" but they have a ways to go there.

Post# 1058223 , Reply# 26   1/20/2020 at 17:08 by LowEfficiency (Iowa)        

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>> As with most of the recent Windows updates, each successive one seems to make the computer more
>> stable, I might almost say "Mac like" but they have a ways to go there.

With how poorly Apple has been doing with software lately, Microsoft might have already passed them...

Post# 1058227 , Reply# 27   1/20/2020 at 18:09 by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I don't know what others are doing but my W10 systems look just like all previous versions, just avoid the tiles screen, use the desktop.

Post# 1058930 , Reply# 28   1/27/2020 at 01:17 by DADoES (TX,†U.S. of A.)        

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Another issue is that I use a lot of ancient and crucial 32-bit software that won't run on a 64-bit processor, which brings in potential performance issues for Win10 re: RAM limits.† Are new 32-bit desktop systems even a thing any more?

Post# 1058937 , Reply# 29   1/27/2020 at 01:44 by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)        

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Are new 32-bit desktop systems even a thing any more?


I have no idea, but I almost have to doubt it.


Post# 1058939 , Reply# 30   1/27/2020 at 01:58 by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Windows 10 still comes in 32 and 64 bit versions.

64 bit windows will run 32 and 64 bit programs, but not 16 bit windows or dos programs

32 bit windows will run 16bit windows and dos programs, plus 32 bit windows programs.

macOS has abandoned 32 bit apps on the latest versions of MacOS.

I work in IT and Iím amused by all the fuss of windows 10 being the current is choice and apparently being a problem. It works fine, it runs most things from earlier versions and once you get used to the interface being different from windows 9x, 2000, XP and 7 itís very usable.

Itíll run on most hardware without issue, just upgrade and enjoy.

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