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Thread Number: 82016
/ Tag: Detergents and Additives
When did enzymes appear in dishwasher detergents? |
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Post# 1060376 2/12/2020 at 15:05 (1,533 days old) by marky_mark  (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin) |
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 Just wondering when enzymes first appeared and then became commonplace in dishwasher detergents in North America, Europe and around the world.
It seems like the shift towards enzymatic detergents has been completed in Europe, where I think all domestic dishwasher detergents contain them now. Liquids often had chlorine bleach, but when phosphates ware taken out in 2017, they were reformulated to enzyme detergents. Commercial-style detergents often still have phosphates and chlorine, such as Finish Professional powder, which is the same as Cascade Fryer Boil Out.
In the US most liquids still have chlorine, although newer enzyme ones are increasingly being sold alongside them. Phosphates bit the dust in 2010. Most powders and I think all pacs/tablets contain enzymes. I remember a few years ago Cascade Complete powder was enzyme based, but regular Cascade Powder and Finish powder both had chlorine. But now they have gone over to enzymes too. What was the situation in the 90s, the 80s and before? | ||
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| Post# 1060381 , Reply# 1 2/12/2020 at 15:43 (1,533 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver) | ||
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Post# 1060382 , Reply# 2 2/12/2020 at 15:54 (1,533 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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IIRC Unilever`s Sun was the first DW powder with enzymes. Don`t remember exactly when but am pretty sure it was in the very early 1990`s. Most other brands including store brands followed the new trend soon.
Had to buy DW detergent during my first visit in the US in 1997 and I was amazed that there were no tabs and everything still seemed to be chlorine based. Maybe I just didn`t look hard enough but I think they were very late to the party. | ||
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Post# 1060388 , Reply# 3 2/12/2020 at 17:18 (1,533 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA) |
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Colgate-Palmolive was the first with enzymes, in my recollection--they had a compact Palmolive powder in the mid 90s (in a half-size box with a half-size pour spout). Worked well in Chicago--perhaps it was in test-market there, but I liked it and used it. I think it came after their liquid dishwasher detergent which was late 80s.
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Post# 1060541 , Reply# 7 2/14/2020 at 14:16 (1,531 days old) by marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin) |
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Really interesting information there, guys! I'd be interested to know when Finish introduced enzymes in the UK.
It's an interesting point about older powders being hasher on dishes and causing patterns to fade and glasses to etch. It would be logical to assume it was the presence of chlorine causing the patterns to fade. However what I've read would indicate it may have been the strong alkalinity or the presence of sodium metasilicate or something. In fact, the manufactures of fine china, such as Royal Doulton and Wedgwood, have a list of approved detergents. It's a couple of years out of date now that European detergents have changed, but for the UK they recommended Co-op Liquid Gel, Finish Liquid, M&S Liquid, Morrisons Liquid, Sainsbury's Liquid and Waitrose Liquid. For the USA they recommend Cascade Gel, Finish Gel and Palmolive Liquid. All of those contain chlorine. I've seen a few different sources recommending that a liquid be used in order to be more gentle to fine china.
I experienced fading and etching in the 90s and we used Finish powder, occasionally Sun powder and also a cheap powder called "Shine" by McBride. I was filling the dispenser completely full in fairly soft water (we didn't add salt to the dishwasher's softener). I guess maybe it wouldn't have happened with a modern detergent! | ||
| Post# 1060712 , Reply# 9 2/16/2020 at 10:02 (1,529 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Fairy GlazeGuard This advert, apparently from 1992. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Rolls_rapide's LINK | ||
| Post# 1060713 , Reply# 10 2/16/2020 at 10:09 (1,529 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Finish Tablets Again from the 1990s. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Rolls_rapide's LINK | ||
| Post# 1060717 , Reply# 11 2/16/2020 at 13:33 (1,529 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California) | ||
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2001 Bosch My 2001 Bosch 3-series has a sticker on the inner rim of the door: "BOSCH recommends Electrasol tablets and Jet Dry rinse agent". The DW came with a few free sample Electrasol tabs, and a small starter packet of Jet-Dry. Both products now sold as Finish. So tablets in the USA pre-date 2001 at least. | ||
| Post# 1060762 , Reply# 12 2/16/2020 at 20:12 (1,529 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Finish Ultra 1992 Here's the one with Fiona Walker, in this compilation of other ads. Starts at 4:55 I said the late Eighties further up the thread. On the evidence, it is obviously the early Nineties. | ||
| Post# 1060765 , Reply# 13 2/16/2020 at 20:32 (1,529 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Finish Tablets This advert from January 1995, with Helen Lederer. Notice that these are all-white tablets. Obviously preceded the Dual Layer blue-white ones. Starts at 2:13 | ||
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Post# 1060980 , Reply# 16 2/19/2020 at 15:03 (1,526 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 Not directly related to enzymes history but this info may be of interest. The Chemistry Behind How Dishwashers Clean | ||
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Post# 1061323 , Reply# 17 2/23/2020 at 05:37 (1,522 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Am almost certain first enzyme DW detergent was Cascade
P&G introduced enzymes to Cascade sometime around middle 1990's if not before. This was sold in different formulas including Cascade "Pure Rinse" which have about ten boxes in my stash. By late 1990's P&G introduced Cascade Complete with campagin "skip the sink". Meaning this new Cascade was so powerful one no longer needed to pre-rinse or soak dishes.
Electrasol was still a traditional chlorine based dw detergent until BENCKISER shook things up by bringing tabs to US market. These had long been available in Europe, but by late 1990's Electasol tabs had reached American markets as well. Benckiser would soon resurrect the Finish brand name for North American market, and begin retiring Electrasol. adage.com/article/news/electraso... Regular Electrasol gel/liquid and IIRC powder were still chlorine based products. Even today Finish gel (Benckiser retired Electrasol brand name, and brought back Finish), is chlorine based. Have a bottle in my kitchen In summation would say at least for American market P&G's Cascade had a slight edge on being first automatic dw detergent, but only just. Electrasol wasn't too far behind. Just that Cascade came as a powder. Here are commercials for Cascade from 1992 and 1994; notice P&G still is promoting "sheeting action". Now Cascade Pure Rinse and Gel from 1999: This post was last edited 02/23/2020 at 07:46 | ||
| Post# 1061399 , Reply# 20 2/24/2020 at 09:24 (1,521 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Speaking of Fairy dishwasher detergents, there was also Fairy 'Tab-in-Tab': compressed hard biological tablets with an indentation, in which a modicum of blue powder detergent resided. This was to act as a quick dissolving pre-soaker. I quite liked those. | ||
| Post# 1061913 , Reply# 21 3/1/2020 at 06:56 (1,515 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK) | ||
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Haven't seen those Fairy 'Tab-in-Tab'detergent before. | ||
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Post# 1061925 , Reply# 22 3/1/2020 at 08:49 (1,515 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Haven't they disappeared and become the new fairy capsule?
I have an issue with my Miele dishwasher and fairy tabs it seems they make more froth than Finish and you can hear the pump running dry if I notice it when in the kitchen I throw in a kettle of water and its ok from then but if I am not going to be about I use a Finish tab instead . | ||
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