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Post# 1064000   3/21/2020 at 11:55 (1,468 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        

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Well, since so many of us are stuck at home I thought it might be fun to have a Bob Load thread.  Take our minds of off things if just for a few minutes.  Seems it's been a while.  This morning I was about to start the dishwasher and took some before pics.  I added the after.  Anyone else have any to share?


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Post# 1064008 , Reply# 1   3/21/2020 at 12:54 (1,468 days old) by NeptuneGuy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
Here's my contribution

These were taken a while back...

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Post# 1064023 , Reply# 2   3/21/2020 at 15:13 (1,468 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Bob Load

That Bosch can hold much more! Although, I’m glad you know what cycles to run! I will oof mine up here soon and send a pic. I almost always run Bob loads.

Post# 1064025 , Reply# 3   3/21/2020 at 15:16 (1,468 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Sure why not! This is this afternoons load in the LG that I have. The detergent used is Finish Quantum. I will post after pics...

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Post# 1064051 , Reply# 4   3/21/2020 at 16:56 (1,468 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Ralph, that's a good load. I live alone and I've been using my dishwasher more frequently, even if only 1/3 full, to sanitize the dishes. Trying not to be paranoid with this virus thing floating around....but I'm failing. LOL. Have thought of buying paper plates and cups, but just can't bring myself to buy extra. Saw in the grocery store a few people were buying paper coffee cups and plates the other day.
Do you find that the Finish does better than Cascade?


Barry


Post# 1064061 , Reply# 5   3/21/2020 at 18:02 (1,468 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Load finished. This dishwasher does a really good job at washing and drying. Everything was spotless.

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Post# 1064091 , Reply# 6   3/21/2020 at 22:54 (1,468 days old) by Cam2s (Nebraska)        

Not exactly a bob load but cooked more than usual this weekend and fired up the power clean. Didn’t take any before pics.

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Post# 1064259 , Reply# 7   3/23/2020 at 08:02 (1,466 days old) by Revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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Had I seen this thread before I started my dishwasher last night, I would have taken “before” photos.

So here are the “after” photos of my mostly “Bob Load”.

Kevin


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Post# 1064787 , Reply# 8   3/27/2020 at 11:10 (1,462 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Yesterday jammed the KenWhirl...

1 Cascade Pure Action Pac

1 tsp. Boil Out

2 days worth of dried on Oatmeal, Egg yolk, and Dried on Smoothie Glasses


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Post# 1064807 , Reply# 9   3/27/2020 at 13:11 (1,462 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Atypical Load/ certianly not a Bobload

Here is the load I just started in the Bosch. Slightly smaller than normal due to some of the weird shaped items we have to wash. The pot in the bottom rack was used to make chili and still has the tomato base cooked on, and the saucepan up top was used today to make some taco meat and still has cooked on grease and seasonings.
Used the Auto cycle with Sanitize. One Finish Quantum with 1 tsp of STPP. Jet Dry will be dispensed at setting 1 (the lowest besides 0). I started the machine exactly at 2:00 PM.


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Post# 1064817 , Reply# 10   3/27/2020 at 15:11 (1,462 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        

There's No pics!

Post# 1064818 , Reply# 11   3/27/2020 at 15:16 (1,462 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I second Greg's comment regarding no pics. Looking forward to them when they are here.

Post# 1064820 , Reply# 12   3/27/2020 at 15:23 (1,462 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
They didn't come through.

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I did a right click on each icon and got an option to download.  I tried to copy the ones below that I downloaded and they were blank.  That is so odd.  I was able to download and view.  Any idea Robert?  I'm on a MAC if that matters.


Post# 1064821 , Reply# 13   3/27/2020 at 15:32 (1,462 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        

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Post# 1064822 , Reply# 14   3/27/2020 at 15:37 (1,462 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Ralph, I tried all those tricks already (and more) to no avail.

Post# 1064823 , Reply# 15   3/27/2020 at 15:42 (1,462 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
Bob,

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It is really odd.  I tried all my tricks and they didn't work.  I did do a screen shot of each and posted them below.  Maybe Robert has an idea why.  They came across as a .jpg and I tired to convert them to gif and that didn't work either.


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Post# 1064825 , Reply# 16   3/27/2020 at 16:39 (1,462 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
chachp

Thank you for reposting! Not sure why I see them and you guys can't!
I will try to post the new pictures as .gif.
Anyways, the dishwasher took 1 hour and 55 minutes. The shortest I have ever witnessed. It did perform 2 prewashes, the main wash, and two rinses. Everything came out spotless including the cookware I mentioned earlier. Only items that were not dry are the cups that have ridges that hold the water, and the items with drops on them that fell from the top rack.


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Post# 1064956 , Reply# 17   3/28/2020 at 17:02 (1,461 days old) by seedub (South Texas Hill Country)        
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Here's my offering. This picture could be captioned 'If the Sanford & Son Junkyard were a dishwasher.'

Fred Sanford: "I been cawawdinatin' all day long."


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Post# 1064977 , Reply# 18   3/28/2020 at 20:33 (1,461 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
Here's one from me:

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This is from my WP Gold DW. PIC 4 is the after of the Lasagna pan. This is a certified Bobload.
Eddie I am not surprised you Kenmore cleaned everything perfectly. I have the Whirlpool version and it is the best DW I have ever seen for home use.
WK78


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Post# 1064993 , Reply# 19   3/28/2020 at 23:36 (1,461 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Nick, that's a certified BobLoad!!


Post# 1064994 , Reply# 20   3/28/2020 at 23:38 (1,461 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Chris, I give you a BobLoad certification just for creatively loading that Maytag!!!


Post# 1064995 , Reply# 21   3/28/2020 at 23:41 (1,461 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Eddie, BobLoad certified.  


Post# 1064996 , Reply# 22   3/28/2020 at 23:42 (1,461 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Kevin, it's "full"


Post# 1064997 , Reply# 23   3/28/2020 at 23:47 (1,461 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Mike, load doesn't appear to be extroadinarily soiled.  BUT, you photos should be used as user manual loading illustrations for efficient, full dishwasher loading.  


Post# 1064998 , Reply# 24   3/28/2020 at 23:49 (1,461 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Ralph, your load qualifies as being perfect for user manual loading illustration.  


Post# 1065013 , Reply# 25   3/29/2020 at 05:08 (1,460 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Thanks Bob !!!



Post# 1065364 , Reply# 26   3/31/2020 at 17:27 (1,458 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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I found out the hard way that if the LG dishwasher that I have is overloaded I.e. a “ Bobload” and one uses the Normal cycle, most of the load will be clean but some items, not so much. Now if I use Heavy with High Temp option, then this dishwasher runs the motor at high speed and it scours the hell out of everything in the load. I know it’s limits though. This dishwasher holds quite a bit , much more than my beloved Miele LaPearla that I had. That said I am sad to report that this dishwasher that is the current resident in my kitchen isn’t going to last another year. It has developed a crack in the left corner of the control panel and its traveling. Motor has a “ whine” to it now and sometimes the panel doesn’t respond to inputs. And the top rack is rusting in 4 spots. I am a tad disappointed
So I have been shopping around for a new one and found a Whirlpool that I do like. It’s either the Whirlpool or the Kenmore version both have the Total Coverage arm. And stainless steel tank.


Post# 1065375 , Reply# 27   3/31/2020 at 18:49 (1,458 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        

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Hi nmassman44,

Why not another Miele?


Post# 1065377 , Reply# 28   3/31/2020 at 19:17 (1,458 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Mike, I'm sorry it didn't last as long as you had hoped.  Glad you did give it a true BobLoad test.  

 

Yes, Frigilux can lament with you about LG dishwashers.  How long was it a resident in the kitchen?


Post# 1065383 , Reply# 29   3/31/2020 at 21:32 (1,458 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Well for one thing with a Miele ...its small capacity wise. True they are great machines but the price is a tad much. I spent $2k for the LaPerla and that lasted me almost 10 years. The thing with Miele is that when they crap the bed, and the one I had with the main control going and them wanting a cool $1k to replace I thought nope not going to happen. they had already "goodwilled" the motor assembly and the delivery tubes for the middle and upper wash system. That alone would have cost me $650 just for the motor, pump, heater, switches and what ever else was in that module.

The LG 5545ST that I have now is almost 3 years old and I found out that its a common issue with cracks in the control panels, rusting racks and in places that you wouldn't even think of. Then there is the issue with the panel itself where I will press the Power button to power up and it doesn't respond like it used to...it takes 4 tries and then it powers up. I know that is a common issue as well. The LEDS for the time display has blinked a few times during a cycle. As much as I do like this machine and I wish that they were as good as their laundry products, dishwashers are a tad lacking in durability and reliability. They really need to up their game in that area.


Post# 1065390 , Reply# 30   3/31/2020 at 22:22 (1,458 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
gws history and bob load

What is the history of whirlpool's new global wash system (gws?) What changes were made and how well do they do on a bob load? I have always wondered how engineered their motors and their entire wash system. seems very effective. I wonder how it will do on a bob load.

Post# 1065499 , Reply# 31   4/1/2020 at 17:12 (1,457 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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MR Gelaundry...why dont you go out and buy said dishwasher if you want to know so badly. And again if these questions keep you up at night pondering about all things Whirlpool, you could call then, chat with them on their website. Its getting old...so old.

Post# 1065555 , Reply# 32   4/2/2020 at 01:25 (1,457 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
kenmore version

I have the Kenmore version of the whirlpool dishwasher filter system and it cleans very well. I can't believe how well it cleans despite cleaning the filter 4 times a year. Must be exceptional engineering at whirlpool for sears. I guess the pumps must be beefier for whirlpool/Kenmore specs.

Post# 1065677 , Reply# 33   4/2/2020 at 20:25 (1,456 days old) by whitetub (Montreal, Canada)        

Good evening guys and gals,



Here’s my loaded Maytag dishwasher. Not the dirtiest load, not the biggest load. May not qualify as a Bob load. Before, during and after pics. I love that machine. I had a Bosch dishwasher in the previous home. Moved to this house, and it had the Fisher Paykel dish drawers. Hated them. They broke down twice in a year. Threw them out and got the Maytag. I always use the Auto cycle. No extra option selected. No heat dry. Everything comes out clean. Prewash, wash and two rinses. About 1h35 running time. I leave the upper rack in the lower position all the time. Everything fits, tall glasses, tall plates, cookie sheets. Enjoy the pictures.


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Post# 1065758 , Reply# 34   4/3/2020 at 13:58 (1,455 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Just a question for a technicality: Would a Sensor cycle with a "lower rack intensive" option still allow for BobLoad Certification? With a sufficent load of course.

Post# 1065759 , Reply# 35   4/3/2020 at 14:07 (1,455 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Henrik, yes it would be allowed. Options selected have no influence as to whether a load qualifies/disqualifies for BobLoad certification. It's solely how "loaded" the dishwasher is as well as just how dirty/filthy the dishware/cookware is.

In fact, the need to intensify the bottom rack means there must be some pretty grungy stuff down there.


Post# 1065782 , Reply# 36   4/3/2020 at 17:45 (1,455 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Well

Since currently living alone, my dishes have been sitting since monday pretty much.
I usually have the DW closed so stuff dosen't dry in to much, but have been deliberatley leaving the door open for the past few days.

Load is pretty much full by now. Just scraped stuff, so lots of dried in sauces like ketchup, mayo, salad dressing etc.
Some pans.
Cuttlery as well, of course.
Oh, and (while this is somewhat cheating) I added some choclate spread to the bottom of an especially tall cup that sits in the right front upper rack corner 3 days ago as a somewhat tribute to the peanutbutter test some time ago.

Just letting it sit another night and then running it tomorrow with some odds thrown in, so look forwards to the first real test for the G7100!


Post# 1065846 , Reply# 37   4/4/2020 at 07:38 (1,454 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
The time has come

Dunno how I could have fitted much more in there.

I decided against the Auto cycle and went with the Normal 60C (140F) cycle with intense zone.

While the pans are more greasy than burnt, the plates and bowls are dried in solid.

So some of everything.

Detergent is a Miele Ultra tab.

Machine just started, so lets see how this turns out!


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Post# 1065859 , Reply# 38   4/4/2020 at 09:41 (1,454 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Wanna let the dishes sit a little longer before unloading

So a cycle summary.



I chose Normal instead of Auto because it pretty much is just a full-power Auto cycle.



Timed the cycle:

Pre-Rinse: 20min, cold, medium-ish spray pressure.

Main-Wash: 1h 10min; about 5min of filling, dispensing detergent, then about 15min of heating with a 10min higher pressure phase for the lower rack (just short switches to the upper rack) right after heating followed by about 40min of pulsed washing with varying pressures and equal time for both racks. (So Intense Zone basicly just adds tha additional wash time in the lower rack.)
I think it re-heated about 20min after the first heating cause I heared a relay clicking.

Interim rinse: About 15min, non-pulsed (so full fill) with same pressure as prerinse.

Final Rinse: About 20min, uncertain temp. The manual states a temp range from 55C to 70C (130F to 160F), yet final rinse times are awefully consistent.

Active Sensor Drying: Here the time jumped up by like 20min (it dropped here and there during the cycle, but the timer stalled as well a couple of times).
I tink part of how this works is that it dosen't heat to a specific temp during the final rinse but instead uses the "guided energy usage" they introduced with their washers a few years back.
Basicly it heats until it used a certain amount of energy is used. Then it adjusts the drying time based on the temperature of the room (it checks that at the begining of the cycle using the main NTC in the sump), the load sensed and the temperature reached during final rinse.
Here it dried for 29min.

AutoOpen drying: I think the DW calculates how long it needs to do active drying until it can safely open the door and then opens the door with a fixed time left as this stage seems to last basicly exactly the same time every time.
It drains, opens the door and lets the fan run a little longer (here 5min).
After some time it just switches the fan off and sits around.
If you unlatch the door while the machines isn't done yet it asks you to close the door; once you closed the door it dosen't open the door again incase lets say you are cooking and the door is in the way and just counts down to the end.
In total this stage lasted for 24min.

So the entire cycle lasted about 2h 57min, significantly longer than estimated at the beginning, but that isn't verry uncommon for this machine at this time of the year it appears.
We'll see if that changes in the summer.



One thing I notice is that this DW kicks of a significant amount of heat into the room during drying.
My kitchen is rather small (like 10 meters squared - like 110 ft squared - with 240cm/8ish ft ceeling) but I used condensation drying DW with water pockets in smaller kitchens they never made it feel quite this warm.


Post# 1065868 , Reply# 39   4/4/2020 at 10:47 (1,454 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Here the results

Pretty pleased, everything including the 5 day dried in ketchup was gone completely.

There was one little jibble of soaked meat residue in the airfryer basket.
Keep in mind though that I had the basket insert in the outer part AND that was in the upper rack AND basicly within that basket I had loaded one of the porcelain bowls so it was totaly shielded from every direct spray.

Couldn't catch the displayed usage, but since it didn't do the water softener recharge it was about 12-14l and 1-1.2kWh from a cold water feed.


Post# 1065966 , Reply# 40   4/4/2020 at 20:49 (1,454 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I'd certify that as a BobLoad!!!


Post# 1065996 , Reply# 41   4/5/2020 at 05:32 (1,453 days old) by bewitched (Italy)        

A little contribution with some pictures of a daily charge

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Post# 1065998 , Reply# 42   4/5/2020 at 05:38 (1,453 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Oh i forgot to attach the pictures

I'm such a dumbass sometimes...

The DW adjusted the estimated cycle time a couple of min up after the cycle.


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Post# 1066003 , Reply# 43   4/5/2020 at 06:31 (1,453 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Not a Bob Load but a Maiden Load in my new Siemens. It's been a while since I loaded an 18" dishwasher so I was taking baby steps in figuring what yo place where.

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Post# 1066233 , Reply# 44   4/6/2020 at 13:27 (1,452 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Not much of a BobLoad® but it's what I had for this morning.

Pics 1, 2, 3, 4 is not debris in the plastic container, it's a bit of melting.  Employees sometime bring lunch from home and leave the containers (sometimes dirty) in the stockroom.  I snatch them after several weeks of negligence.  (A chlorine bleach soak is applied if needed).

The drain filter is from the lower drawer.  I clean them when needed by running through a cycle.


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Post# 1066235 , Reply# 45   4/6/2020 at 14:04 (1,452 days old) by Fisherpaykel (BC Canada)        
Cleaning the filter

Wow Glenn, what a great idea, here I've been manually cleaning the filter with liquid dish soap and a forceful blast of hot water with the sprayer. Your method easy with a 2 drawer Dish Drawer. Lately I've been noticing how people around me are so smart! Others can have a better solution. Now I just need to remember this next time!

Post# 1066254 , Reply# 46   4/6/2020 at 16:51 (1,452 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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DaDoes - I'm not sure if I've made this remark before, but I LOVE those stoneware plates you have. My Mamaw and Papaw always had that exact plate and pattern, and everytime I see your dishwasher full, I have a little spark of joy thinking about them. I have no idea where those dishes went after they passed away back in 2011 and 2012. I'm actually working on building up a collection of the Mountain Brook(?) stoneware and the classic Corelle and Corning dishware they and some of my family had growing up.

Post# 1066272 , Reply# 47   4/6/2020 at 20:04 (1,452 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Stereo WP Power-Clean DWs

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Well being home and cooking and eating at home a lot a funny thing happened Sunday, I noticed that I was running out of glasses and forks and spoons etc. With two DWs I usually load one and unload the other but some how I loaded DW#2 and never ran it and now DW#1 was nearly full as well.

 

So last evening at exactly 9:15 I started both DWs, they are 14 feet apart, so I start one than the other and I go back and pause the 1st one for 5 seconds to get them synchronized, then you get to sit back and listen as they both go through the cycle in perfect synchronization.

 

Both DWs are pleasantly quite but you can still hear what is happening [ I would NEVER have a silent DW as it is actually dangerous ] I had a customer 12 years ago with a Bosch DW that the fill valve stuck open on. The customer had an instantaneous gas water heater and it flooded the basement apartment with more than 12" of all hot water, the DW continued to fill for almost 6 hours. Finally the fire&smoke alarms went off and woke her up, even though her bedroom was less than 12 feet away from the DW she said she never heard a thing. I told her that the Bosch was an easy fix as it was just a bad fill valve, she said Hell-NO get me a DW that you can hear so in went one of the last of the KM power-clean style DWs. [ The Bosch did over $60,000 worth of damage to the house as all the water was hot and the steam destroyed even the drywall on the basement ceilings ]

 

But back to the Stereo WPs, both DWs finished at 10:10 PM and started into the air-dry cycles. I estimate that each DW used between .8 and 1 KW of power and each used around 12 gallons of 130F water hasted by my storage type NG fired water heater.

 

You will see that my tableware does not practice Social Distancing , I love the convince of just dropping hand fulls of dirty silverware in the baskets, the day that I have the time to sort and arrange dirty spoons, forks and knives in the silly top trays of many newer DWs in when I will be ready for the funny farm, I think I would rather fold dirty socks and underwear than handle all the dirty tableware, LOL


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Post# 1066295 , Reply# 48   4/7/2020 at 00:50 (1,452 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
OK, let me try again.....

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After my honey made Chicken Adobo for dinner tonight, there was enough stiff dirtied since running the Bosch yesterday morning, to justify running it again this evening.

 

Let's see of I can manage to get BobLoad certified this time (fingers crossed)! laughing

 

Photo progression:

1. some of the dirty stuff

2. starting to load the lower rack

3. the loaded lower rack

4. the upper rack

5. rack #3

6. the door

7. the detergent (in this case Somat brand my friend Mark brought me from Spain)

8. cycle settings


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Post# 1066297 , Reply# 49   4/7/2020 at 02:09 (1,451 days old) by Fisherpaykel (BC Canada)        
Very stylish pair of DW's

Combo52 those are very good looking machines in black and chrome and stainless, same goes for the kitchen. Ha ha, on second look at your post noticed the stereo-symmetry can be good!

Post# 1066320 , Reply# 50   4/7/2020 at 07:26 (1,451 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Kevin, BobLoad certification!!  Looks like I loaded the dishwasher!!!


Post# 1066326 , Reply# 51   4/7/2020 at 08:40 (1,451 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
The results....

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Thanks So Much Bob, I feel redeemed laughing

 

Forgot to mention there was also a small bowl under the colander in the upper rack!

 

Everything was spotless, of course!


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Post# 1066343 , Reply# 52   4/7/2020 at 10:11 (1,451 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
F&D dishdrawers

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I still miss mine it was sold on as I was having trouble finding powdered detergent and the pods and tablets were too strong and causing foam etc so went back to a boring dishwasher, Having said that I do prefer the top tray for cutlery as you never have to touch the dirty part just the clean handles but its what ever you are used to I guess?


Post# 1066384 , Reply# 53   4/7/2020 at 18:09 (1,451 days old) by NeptuneGuy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
Tonight's contribution...

It took two days to fill her up but here is my BobLoad(r). Cycle selection is: ProWash, Sani Rinse, and ProDry. Detergent is a Cascade Platinum Plus pac.

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Post# 1066388 , Reply# 54   4/7/2020 at 19:03 (1,451 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
Milky water

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Hi Henene4,

Your air fryer had quite a bit of residual water which looked milky. I would say that this load needed an extra rinse cycle.

I programmed in an extra interim rinse and water plus through the service mode as I was experiencing this with my G6827.

All good now. The results are great.

Cheers
Rod


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Post# 1066391 , Reply# 55   4/7/2020 at 19:29 (1,451 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Loading Flatware

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The Flatware baskets on our WP DWs are very easy to load in or out of the DW, you never have to touch anything but the handles whether the items are dirty or clean.

 

I usually load from 1-6 pieces of FW at a time and when you just have one dirty spoon etc you only have to open the door a few inches and drop the item from countertop height [ approximately 36" above the floor ] you do not have to open the and pull the top FW rack all the way out to put one teaspoon in its perfect spot.

 

Poor rinsing is a major problem on many new very water efficient DWs, try setting a glass upright in the DW during the last rinse or take a turkey baster and suck water out of the sump after the DW has run and see what the water looks like, and would you drink what you see ?, and this cloudy water is dried all over your [ clean ] dishes, this is the main reason that a lot of newer DWs stink after they sit a while between runs.

 

John L.


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Post# 1066418 , Reply# 56   4/8/2020 at 04:58 (1,450 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I currently am using finish rinse aid that does that. It is heavily blue colored and I have set it to 4.
Had that back in the other flat with Bosch as well.


Post# 1066517 , Reply# 57   4/8/2020 at 17:57 (1,450 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
Finish rinse aid

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Hi Henene4,

Have you tried using other rinse aids which don't have colour? There is Finish 0% or Miele. I've been using the DM brand and it's really good.



Post# 1066518 , Reply# 58   4/8/2020 at 17:58 (1,450 days old) by schulthess (Switzerland)        
Milky Water and Miele

I have been using my Miele G 7590 SCVi K2O AutoDos more than one year (I even bought it in Germany, since they were later available in Switzerland). Previously I have used a Miele G 6995 SCVi K2O and for a very long time a 45cm width basic Siemens (from 2005) as well as V-Zug Adora S 55 (from 2004) and Adora 12 SL (from 1996). In another place I am using a fully integrated V-Zug Adora S from 2013.

The Miele G7000 is a beautiful dishwasher, nowadays still best quality for the private consumer market, V-Zug‘s new Line is just behind, while BSH is best price-value but quality in my opinion just ok. Far behind all the Electrolux and Bauknecht dishwashers when it comes to built quality.

I like the smooth sliding racks of the Miele (same does new V-Zug have), especially lower basket, the user interface (very straight forward), sleek design of interior including new pump and sump system and the AutoDos which is really convenient. My kitchen is without handles and I needed a model with automated door opening, that’s why I could not go with V-Zug. But in the end the cleaning performance is the most important factor to me. While I have been extremely happy with the V-Zug Adora 12 SL from 1995 that used around 15-25 litres water (4-6.6 gallons) and all spray arms a the same time with good pressure, I wast just less happy with the Adora from 2004 that maximally used 5 gallons in the normal cycle with the overall performance, you can just feel it when you take out the „clean“ dishes. Glass and stainless steel was not as shiny as from the older Adora. Then the small basic Siemens from 2005 which only had 4 programs and was always running on Intense 65 degr. Celsius, has delivered every single time outstanding results even with the dirtiest dishes fully packed. The nozzels at the spray arme and the pressure must have been really good, the water consumption was also quite high with around 5.2 gallons.
Then I‘ve been using the Miele G6000 TOL and there I just realised how important the proper amount of water is to get outstanding results. Several times I have packed the Miele completely full with greasy dirty dishes (no prerinsing, just scraping off) and glassware in the second tray and run the Intense cycle with and without short option. Same result I could expect according to the manual, but this was certainly not the case. While dishes looked clean in both cases, I could certainly feel a difference and right after the cycle while glassware is still a bit wet, one could see small particles (like very very small corns) on the glass thanks to the bright interior light. Water left in holes of stainless steel dishes or mugs was milky, same was the water in the sump and the sump was greasy. Have also tried using more detergent and different detergent, in the and it was always similar. The dishwasher has always indicated 2.9 gallons of water usage. V-Zug from 2012 on the other hand does with same load and soil level a Intense cycle in 1h40min with 1 up to 2 pre rinses, while always just one intermediate rinse, with overall usage of 4.5-5 gallons. To sum up: in order to deliver outstanding results, the dishwasher has to do minimum a pre-rinse to flush away just the big amount of leftover on dishes and to allow the detergent to work in the main wash to dissolve greasy and heavy dirt and not to crack leftovers in the same water. While a second intermediate rinse is not needed, it is important that the dishwasher uses a higher amount of water in the final rinse.

The new G 7000 had the extra clean option and the QuickIntense Cycle, which was probably the only reason to give Miele another chance and not to pick V-Zug. The G 7000 is efficient but takes too much time same as the G 6000 to finish a Automatic cycle (2h30 vs. 1h35 V-Zug). While the results are very good and dishes very dry considering the ultra low consumption I still needed to activate the extra clean option, which adds a pre-rinse in every program that would not have one and adds extra water with every filling and extends the cycle time, to get excellent results. My dishwasher is hooked to hot water supply. The QuickIntense takes only 50 Min. and uses around 3.1 gallons water without extra clean option while 1h28min and 4.2 gal. with option activated. QuickIntense only in combination with extra clean delivers outstanding impeccable results without any residues. Water in the sump will not be milky...even with finish rinse aid. I do not really like to use the 75 Intense, it is just too harsh and then I just do not understand that daily cycle such as the Automatic even with Express selected cannot be finished under 1h40min? I mean, I select the Express and I don’t mind if it uses more water and energy (as stated in the manual) but why does Miele not really shorten the cycle times as BSH can do?

Does any one know how I could raise the water level without increasing the cycle time through the service mode in my G 7000 Miele?


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Post# 1066527 , Reply# 59   4/8/2020 at 18:39 (1,450 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
VarioSpeed

Is an amazing thing really if you don't care to much about usage, but without knowing, I would say that depending on condition and model, usage could be up to doubled in terms of energy.
And with VarioSpeed on any chance of glass care is out of the window as there is basicly no heat transfer.

The G4000 series machine at my work is about on par with VarioSpeed in terms of short option cycle times.

The G7000 is really focused on efficency there.
Express won't raise usage much. And QuickIntense with extra clean on is basicly just the Auto cycle in short. Probably a warm prewash, main wash at 65C, rinse, rinse, short dry, everything with max fills. More fills with higher levels and maybe some enzyme staging would make the 30min extra quite reasobable - BSHs Auto cycle with VarioSpeed is actually about 90min, so...
And keep in mind any cycle there will still run Mieles glass protection pattern of just waiting for water to cool down naturaly before draining due to the lack of a heat exchanger - except for QuickIntense which is basicly a VarioSpeed+ Eco 50C ripoff.
That is also a reason why the glass care cycle always was really long on Mieles compared to BSH machines.

So to summarise:
BSH has their 1:05 VarioSpeed+ Eco 50C cycle which is equivalent to QuickIntense in cycle steps, care, time, performance and usage.
Adding Extra Clean turns Mieles QuickIntense into BSHs Auto cycle with VarioSpeed+ in basicly all regards.
Mieles Auto with Express keeps the cool down times as part of glass care routine, thus adds about 30 odd min and runs at a more reasonable spray pressure-
And than again the Auto cycles match up round about if no options are selected.



Dunno how to acess programming on your TOL machine, but mine just has another extra clean option in the service menu, not much to adjust, adds time as well I think.


Post# 1066583 , Reply# 60   4/9/2020 at 01:01 (1,450 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
Miele dishwasher

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Hi All,
I would like to share the last load I did in my Miele G 6827 SCi XXL dishwasher. The last pic shows a beaker with some residual water on top but it is clear. I use Miele multi-tabs and Miele rinse aid set at 2 ml.

I have had this machine for shy of two years and before that, I had a G 5935 SCi XXL. I think the G 5000 series was very good and better than my current machine. When I first got the machine, I was experiencing milky water in the final rinse and the cutlery tray started to get stained with tomato residue. I put this down to low water consumption. I never had this problem with my G 5935.

I went into the settings and added a permanent pre-wash even if the short option was used. This did improve things and then I went into the service menu and activated water plus and second interim rinse. The results were much better and then started to play around with the options and settings.
I still have the machine on water plus and have taken away the second interim rinse. I always tend to run Automatic program with the short option, the duration is around 1 hour 26 minutes. The machine is connected to a hot water supply at 55 degrees celsius. The Automatic program with no options generally starts at 2 hours 45 minutes but finishes around 20 minutes faster.

Schulthess, to get into the service mode. I think you have to turn off the machine and then at the same time press the power and the back button together, release the back button and press it 5 times holding it down on the 5th press until you enter the service/programming mode. You should be able to find water plus and activate it.

Regards
Rod


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Post# 1066656 , Reply# 61   4/9/2020 at 15:53 (1,449 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Sump water

The verry little water in the sump after todays cycle was clear.

The filter it self is pretty self cleaning.
The area around it tends to keep green particulates from herbs n such quite a bit, especially up around the top where the filter connects to the holder/filter screen and around the bottom of the shroud of the lower wash arm.


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Post# 1066781 , Reply# 62   4/10/2020 at 14:55 (1,448 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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I'd frequently get that milky water when using the Fast 65°C cycle. It would wash, rinse twice and dry within 55 minutes. It cleaned pretty much everything but burnt-on food. However, without a pre-wash, I'd often have milky water in areas that trap water. My usual cycles (either Auto or Intensive with Vario Speed) always performed a heated prewash to which I added a little detergent - no residue.

The small beast of a dishwasher, the Bosch countertop unit, uses comparable amounts of water to a full-sized machine. It leaves dishes spotless even without rinse aid.

Can't speak about the new Siemens as I haven't used it enough. Just case, there is an option to add an additional rinse.



Post# 1066784 , Reply# 63   4/10/2020 at 15:05 (1,448 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Load of the day. Chicken drumsticks were baked in the casserole and rice pudding in the pot. Nothing too serious, though.

I will say that a cutlery drawer in a Euro-hight/ ADA compliant dishwasher does take up some real estate. Both baskets were pretty much loaded as high as possible. :o



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Post# 1066909 , Reply# 64   4/11/2020 at 12:18 (1,447 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Alex, that's a BobLoad for sure!!!!


Post# 1067344 , Reply# 65   4/14/2020 at 16:11 (1,444 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        
Dirty load

Here is the load I did Yesterday

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Post# 1067348 , Reply# 66   4/14/2020 at 16:16 (1,444 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        
Clean load

Here is the load after it was washed, except for the bowl that was covering the glasses on the left, in the middle basket. I used it to store leftover lunch in.

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Post# 1067441 , Reply# 67   4/15/2020 at 00:53 (1,444 days old) by Turbowash (USA)        

I’m really sorry for the stupid question, but my google search gave me no answers and English is not my native language, but what Bob Load means?

Post# 1067463 , Reply# 68   4/15/2020 at 07:14 (1,443 days old) by westtexman (Lubbock, Texas)        

Hi Brigita!

Welcome to AW.org. This question is asked every couple of years or so by new members. A member answered this question very well back in 2016, so I will paste his answer here:

“Bob Loads are basically loading the dishwasher to its maximum where you don't think that anything else can be added to it. The only "pre-rinsing" that you do is just basic scraping of dishes before loading them with no water involved.

You have to be sure to post pics of both racks showing how they looked before the machine is run, and post pics of after running before you unload the dishwasher. Also, it would be nice to know what cycle & options you used along with which dishwasher detergent.

One of the members here is the one that "certifies" that you've BOB LOADED your machine. His screen name is APPNUT and his name of course is BOB.

The fact you mentioned BOB LOADING in your thread title will more than likely draw him here to check out how you did. The only thing you need to do now is post some after shots.”

I hope this helps! We all look forward to seeing pictures of your “Bob Loads”!

Bryan



Post# 1067484 , Reply# 69   4/15/2020 at 10:33 (1,443 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Jerrod, I recognize your dishes.

I think they are either Villeroy and Bach, or Hutschenruether. Artist's name Yves Galgon? He designed some serveware for Lufthansa.

Post# 1067521 , Reply# 70   4/15/2020 at 16:17 (1,443 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        
Dishes

If you are referring to the plates with a red pattern, the back of them says it was Van Beers. I have a set of these dishes that were made in Indonesia but I only use a few pieces. My kitchen cabinets are like a Wedgewood blue but a little lighter, so I use the blue set more. All of my dishes are from several years ago, and they are holding up well.

Post# 1067599 , Reply# 71   4/16/2020 at 11:09 (1,442 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Ah, also a Dutch artist.

I also have whats left of a set of similar Sango "Indonesia" 4 service Flair pattern by Joan Lutz stoenware my Mom gave me for Christmas in 1994. I was resetting up housekeeping on my own again since 1983. 3 bowls left, 4 suacers, 1 mug, 2 dinner plates. Part of the everyday dish asst.

Post# 1068246 , Reply# 72   4/20/2020 at 00:58 (1,439 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
My submission for 4/19/2020

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This was how I loaded the Bosch this morning......

 

Kevin


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Post# 1068271 , Reply# 73   4/20/2020 at 06:17 (1,438 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Kevin,

I had those same green floral Corelle dishes back in 1979.

Post# 1068275 , Reply# 74   4/20/2020 at 07:06 (1,438 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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And I have the majority of the Pyrex Comatible spring blossom pattern pyrex that matches those dishes.  

 

Oh, and definitely BobLoad certification Kevin.  You're learning!!


Post# 1068291 , Reply# 75   4/20/2020 at 11:15 (1,438 days old) by Searsbest (Attleboro, Ma)        
Bobload

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Easter dinner dishes in our 2019 Maytag MDB4949, I'm extremely impressed with this dishwasher (that says alot considering this dishwasher replaced my Lady K power clean) and yes, they came out spotless! And my little helper was in picture pre-rinsing.

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Post# 1068345 , Reply# 76   4/20/2020 at 17:54 (1,438 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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BobLoad for sure!!!


Post# 1068438 , Reply# 77   4/21/2020 at 06:13 (1,437 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
1988 TOL Kenmore Ultra-Wash

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In the museum kitchen has been getting a workout, it is normally only run every week or so however Jason and I have been staying in the office and reorganizing the parts room and I have been cooking every day so we don't have to go out to eat.

 

So the trusty KM UW has been run every few days with larger dirtier loads.

 

I even made two batches of peanut brittle in a little brake time.

 

John L.


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Post# 1068471 , Reply# 78   4/21/2020 at 09:30 (1,437 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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John, your loads are defaulted to Bobload status automatically every time. When you can, please post a pic of this dishwashers control panel. Thank you.

Post# 1068495 , Reply# 79   4/21/2020 at 13:12 (1,437 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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A more vintage load from an Italian YouTuber.






Post# 1068516 , Reply# 80   4/21/2020 at 15:22 (1,437 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Tha Video was amazing.

I'm fascinated with the Beads. What a great idea to aid in cleaning. Galvanized Impeller makes wicked sense.

So once the machine is charged with the beads, They stay in the sump with water ?

And BobLoad beyond. Did a great Job.

Commercially there is a machine to polish Silverware, Service, and pieces called a Burnisher. It uses a hopper with beads and vibrates to remove the tarnish.









Post# 1068619 , Reply# 81   4/22/2020 at 10:30 (1,436 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
Packed Maytag Load

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Hi all.
So. I have moved. The KA is at the old house. And I have inherited a Maytag MDB8949SHZ4.
It’s a few years old with the physical push buttons. And pocket door.
It had a rough life! But it’s been salvaged.
Some IDIOT previous owner must’ve washed planter pots in it.
It was FULL of mud, twigs, stems and flower petals.
After pulling the module apart, and a handful of washes with Finish dw cleaner, and bleach, she’s finally feeling like her old self again.

So I’ve been washing a combo of daily dishware and unpacked items to clean.
And last night I packed this sucker!
Auto cycle. Cascade PureClean pac.
Everything came out great! All clean and fresh.

* Bonus points for those who see anything “different.” ;)


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Post# 1068620 , Reply# 82   4/22/2020 at 10:33 (1,436 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
I'll go for the bonus points:

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A KA wash arm in a MT DW.

WK78


Post# 1068705 , Reply# 83   4/22/2020 at 19:50 (1,436 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Noticed that too Nick.

First pic I was scratching my head sayin' "Whut" ???


Post# 1069293 , Reply# 84   4/25/2020 at 20:08 (1,433 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
Saturday night BobLoad:

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Living in the wake of likely shortages of some fresh items I did a test tonight to see how well I could make Spaghetti and meatballs with a jar sauce produced by a local restaurant, frozen Italian Meatballs and chef improve it some.  I would normally make these items from scratch.  The result was not too bad but I could smell TVP when the meatballs were heating in the sauce.  The taste was good, "Could barely taste TVP".  Anyway, I ended up with enough dishes for a BobLoad over the course of the day and here it is. 

WK78


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Post# 1069299 , Reply# 85   4/25/2020 at 20:34 (1,433 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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That sphere system washing was very cool to watch - what a beautiful machine as well.

 

This is a load from last weekend, did a bunch of baking and then dinner.  Made banana bread, frosted banana cookies and an apple cobbler.  This was the last of three loads for the day.  


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Post# 1069302 , Reply# 86   4/25/2020 at 21:03 (1,433 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Neptune Guy

How do you like the Cascade Platinum Plus? Any major difference from the regular pacs?

Post# 1069318 , Reply# 87   4/25/2020 at 22:40 (1,433 days old) by NeptuneGuy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
Lakewebsterkid - Cascade Platinum

I like them a lot. I haven't used the regular pacs in several years. But these do an outstanding job especially, on my stainless steel All-Clad pots and pans. It makes them look like I scoured them by hand. I do have a container of Cascade Complete pods which I am going to use when I finish up the Platinum pacs I'm currently on. I'd like to see if there is any appreciable difference in performance.

Post# 1069423 , Reply# 88   4/26/2020 at 15:24 (1,432 days old) by appnut (TX)        
I know y'all think this is WAYYY overdue

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But, a load from this morning that was largely from yesterday and lat night's dinner.  I don't have the ability to upload pics I take from my phone and with DadoEs' (Glenn's) help, here they are!!

 

I was thinking about Jetcone as I was preparing to load all this stuff.  At a Wash-in in Tucson he & I were attendidng at the same time between 2006-2008 (I don't think it was in Omaha in 2005), Jon made a comment-watching Bob load a dishwasher is like watching oragame.  Under the mixer bowl are a bunch of saucers.  Under the Instant Pot orange sling are tongs, large service spoons, various other things and the beater to the mixer from last nights mashed potatoes.  For anyone who might find this trivia interesting, all those white dishes, flatware, and corningware date all the way back to the 1959/1960 Waste King and all the way through every college apartment dishwasher and every apartment and house dishwasher I've been in since fall 1977.  


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Post# 1069715 , Reply# 89   4/28/2020 at 13:32 (1,430 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I think the above is a wimpy case of BobLoad.  So, to show y'all I do load my own dishwasher this way when the opportunity avails itself.  Thank you Glenn.


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Post# 1069844 , Reply# 90   4/29/2020 at 07:47 (1,429 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Impressive loads, Bob

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LOL, that sounds dirty! Here is mine in my new Whirlpool I got last month. I've been very happy with this machine so far.

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Post# 1071854 , Reply# 91   5/10/2020 at 19:03 (1,418 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Tonight... KenWhirl...

Soup Day. And two days worth of dried food.

One BJs Pod and 2 tsp. Boil out. Should be done in an hour.


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Post# 1071924 , Reply# 92   5/11/2020 at 06:53 (1,417 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Fell asleep early.,.

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After my first coffee and here are the results ...

Spotless. One BJs pack. And 2 teaspoons of boil out. I usually shut it down after the last rinse and do a flash dry. But everything is nice and dry this morning with no heat


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Post# 1071945 , Reply# 93   5/11/2020 at 10:55 (1,417 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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David & Eddie, both BobLoad certifications. 


Post# 1071983 , Reply# 94   5/11/2020 at 15:57 (1,417 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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Thanks Bob

Post# 1072040 , Reply# 95   5/11/2020 at 22:31 (1,417 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

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Thanks Bob!

Post# 1072112 , Reply# 96   5/12/2020 at 10:24 (1,416 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
More head spinning, Ed!

Here is a shot of another wash arm swap-out. I took out the 4 way Hydrosweep arm from my KA tall tub years ago and have not looked back since. The Kenwhirl Thunderbolt wash arm works so much better than the Hydrosweep.

It is quieter and is about an inch longer so it reaches into the corners and the silverware basket much better than the Hydrosweep arm does. In the beginning, the silverware would always have food bits stuck on it. The longer arm has jets at the very end which sweep underneath the whole basket which is on the right side of the rack and not the door.

Like I said, I have never looked back.


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Post# 1072193 , Reply# 97   5/12/2020 at 20:28 (1,416 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Steve, the new arms in the updated KitchenAids and Maytags are a redesign that I think is more attuned to this.  


Post# 1072201 , Reply# 98   5/12/2020 at 21:13 (1,416 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Dishwasher Wash Arm Design

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Hi Steve, I agree about the KM-WP wash arm working better in WP TT DWs.

 

WP has never had a bad WAD in any of their DWs since their first WA DW in 1958, the big black bakelite arm.

 

WP arms were designed to work not impress potential buyers, GE, MT, Waste-King, WCI FD and later Electrolux DWs all ad some poorly designed wash arms.

 

John L.


Post# 1072792 , Reply# 99   5/16/2020 at 06:52 (1,412 days old) by washingpowder (NYC)        

A bit late to the game, so I didn't snap any before pics, but stains included stuck-on mozzarella in the processor, thick beef stew in the pressure cooker, cocoa oatmeal and dried-on pizza dough.

I used Normal Plus in my Miele, with a Domol all-on-one tablet. All gone!

That being said, can't wait to get a new processor. The new style of KitchenAids really sucks, getting the cheese to shred took forever and I still had chunks left. All plastic parts are blemished by now, I don't think they're dishwasher-safe regardless of what the manual says.



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Post# 1072988 , Reply# 100   5/17/2020 at 13:31 (1,411 days old) by marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin)        

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My vintage Miele G550 in Spain from 1975.  A hurricane in a box with 3 spray arms and built-in water softener.

 

With its 600-Watt pump and 3000-Watt heater, this things packs some serious food-blasting power laughing

 

10 litres per fill (2.6 US gal)

Normal and Intensive cycles use 58 litres (15.3 US gal)

 

Normal and Intensive cycles:

  • Prewash (Normal: cold, Intensive 50 °C / 122 °F)
  • Pre-rinse
  • Main wash (Normal: 60 °C / 140 °F, Intensive: 70 °C / 158 °F)
  • Curious cool down / dilution phase
  • Rinse
  • Final rinse (Normal and Intensive: 70 °C / 158 °F)
  • Heated, fan-assisted dry

 

Normal cycle takes about 70 min with cold water fill, 60 min with hot fill

Intensive cycle is around 10 minutes longer.


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Post# 1073003 , Reply# 101   5/17/2020 at 15:49 (1,411 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
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That's an amazing Miele! They sure don't make them like they used to.

You can tell it's been loved and cared for all these years as it looks brand new. Did you do anything to restore it?


Post# 1073004 , Reply# 102   5/17/2020 at 15:51 (1,411 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Mark, there are definitely some BobLoads in there.  


Post# 1073017 , Reply# 103   5/17/2020 at 17:18 (1,411 days old) by washingpowder (NYC)        

Mark, that's the very first dishwasher I had back in Europe! Remember not being able to place anything light or glass in the bottom rack, coffee pots would fly all over.

That thing was so powerful, I used to turn it to Stop (Parada on yours?) to skip both pre-washes, there was no need even with baked-on stuff.

Glad to see it working in your house! Do you have that fun bottle for regeneration?


Post# 1073068 , Reply# 104   5/17/2020 at 21:57 (1,411 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Not so much a BobLoad® but perhaps of slight interest.  DDs have reasonably-strong spray pressure.  I anchored this cup by placing it over a clothes pin, presuming that it'd bump up against the lid but not flip over ... but no such luck.  The two smaller cups aren't deep-enough to sit over the pins so I kinda wedged them under the spring coils and they didn't flip but also were shielded a little by the whisk.


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Post# 1073320 , Reply# 105   5/19/2020 at 12:44 (1,409 days old) by marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin)        

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Thanks for the certification, Bob!

 

Hi David/littlegreeny.  Thank you!  It was in good, working condition when I uninstalled it from the seller's kitchen in Barcelona.  However I discovered a small leak from one of the safety pressure switches.  It was the one that checks for positive water pressure being created by the wash pump (ensuring sufficient fill and pump operation) before allowing the heater to be energized and the timer motor to be paused.  I ordered a new one from Miele and replaced it myself.  I also took the wash pump to a motor repair shop for servicing as it was noisier than it should have been.  The rinse aid dispenser was leaking rinse aid slightly and was NLA but I bought a compatible one and installed it.  Now it's as good as new!  It does have several safety systems to prevent leaking and overheating, but nevertheless I installed a leak detector underneath the machine that should automatically shut off the water supply and sound an alarm.

 

Hi washingpowder.  Thank you!  Yes the bottom spray is particularly strong and I do have to load lighter items with that in mind otherwise they'll flip!

Yes if you want to skip the prewashes, you could do what you said and select a cycle and then turn it to "stop" (parada).  Then rapid-advance timer would start cycling all the way round to the end position and you could select a cycle during this time and it would run the selected cycle from whatever point the timer had reached.  Alternatively, you can select the "short/brief" (corto) cycle  and it will advance straight to the wash phase.  If you wish, you can then change your selection to Intensive, Normal or Delicate and it will run starting at the main wash. 

 

And yes I do have the bottle for softener regeneration.    I know you will already know, but for those who may be interested, this machine has a water softener than requires "manual" regeneration, unlike modern dishwashers where you just add salt to the brine tank periodically when the machine indicates the level is low.  With this machine, it automatically detects if/when the water entering the machine via the water softener is becoming less soft and the "regeneration" light is illuminated.  You can then fill the separate bottle with salt, remove the cap which can be seen in photo #2 and screw the bottle in place.  You then select the "regeneration" cycle.  After 45 minutes, the softener is regenerated and you're good to go for many more loads, depending on your incoming water hardness.  

 

Great to see everyone's dishwashers and BobLoads!

Mark

 

P.S. Glenn, I like your ingenious way of securing plastic items laughing




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Post# 1073327 , Reply# 106   5/19/2020 at 13:31 (1,409 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

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Mark, I'm pleasantly surprised you were able to secure parts from Miele for a 45 year old dishwasher! I wonder how many of these are still in operation? Probably more than we realize.

Post# 1073576 , Reply# 107   5/21/2020 at 01:56 (1,407 days old) by IIIJohnnyMacIII (North Carolina)        
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Post# 1073739 , Reply# 108   5/22/2020 at 01:28 (1,407 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Crammed a few things into the KUDI23


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Post# 1073771 , Reply# 109   5/22/2020 at 08:47 (1,406 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
do not have an after pic but do have a before pic

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sorry i do not have an after pic but do have a before pic

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Post# 1073784 , Reply# 110   5/22/2020 at 11:28 (1,406 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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That looks like a pretty small load. Is this before you put the dishes in?


Post# 1073801 , Reply# 111   5/22/2020 at 14:47 (1,406 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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no it is a pretty small load as i had to test something with the dishwasher 1 if water was heating properly and 2 if it would also dry with heat dry on as it left certain item with water drops when the dishwasher was purchuse end 2016 start 2017 i tryed to have my mom look at the maytag model but she do not went maytag

Post# 1073909 , Reply# 112   5/23/2020 at 09:00 (1,405 days old) by NilfiskGA70 (Limerick, Ireland)        

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One of the frequent BobLoad®s that our Indesit IDF125 handles with ease, perfect results every time using cheap Tesco tablets and rinse aid. Bought used for just €80 5 years ago and trouble free apart from cosmetic damage to the fascia panel.

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Post# 1074341 , Reply# 113   5/26/2020 at 00:53 (1,403 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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It’s beyond me why Whirlpool stopped designing the Thunderbolt lower arm into their DW platforms since the Voyager. Not only has it always been an effective yet simple wash arm, it’s also as iconic to Whirlpool as the HydroSweep-X arm has been to KitchenAid. The closest thing we’ve had since the GlobalWash design has been the S-arm found in Kenmore variants and the earliest KitchenAids before they brought back an X arm, but it’s not at all the same.

Post# 1074884 , Reply# 114   5/29/2020 at 17:51 (1,399 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND)        

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I figured I'd make my Miele contribution...

These loads were ... depression/isolation based lol.

Being alone is one thing. Forced to a two week quarantine from direct exposure then not being able to see my parents for two months is another...

Anyways, here is my mess and the results. I don't think the pics are in order anymore.


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Post# 1074887 , Reply# 115   5/29/2020 at 18:38 (1,399 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Joshua, I'd say there was a BobLoad in there!!


Post# 1076269 , Reply# 116   6/7/2020 at 21:46 (1,390 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
Maytag Bobload & past arm swap

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Heyyo.
It’s been a while but I finally got some free time and enough for a real Bobload.
Some good overlapping.
Auto wash, heat dry. No modifiers.
Finish Quantum.

Also, from my arm swap post a while back on this machine, with the KA arm.
It did wash very well.
However, the filter chamber was chock full of soil.
The jets I guess are not aimed well enough to clean the screen.
I’ll have to modify the KA arm and add better placed filter wash jets.


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Post# 1076302 , Reply# 117   6/8/2020 at 06:58 (1,389 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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John, a BobLoad for sure!!!


Post# 1076891 , Reply# 118   6/12/2020 at 20:58 (1,385 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
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After making Chicken Alfredo Pasta and Caesar Salad.  DW was packed full and everything came out perfect.  The Non Stick pan I used to finish the dish is not in the DW.

WK78


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Post# 1076901 , Reply# 119   6/12/2020 at 23:15 (1,385 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Nick, I'd say a BobLoad!!


Post# 1076970 , Reply# 120   6/13/2020 at 14:26 (1,384 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
Thanks Bob!

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I appreciate it. 


Post# 1108310 , Reply# 121   2/17/2021 at 05:40 (1,135 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I thought I'd revive this thread with a few pictures of the load I did yesterday. It's hard to get a dishwasher full when you live alone without entertaining at the moment. I don't want to wait too long to start the machine.



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Post# 1108336 , Reply# 122   2/17/2021 at 09:52 (1,135 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Bobload certification Luigi. I may run mine every 2 to 4 days just with myself.

Post# 1108353 , Reply# 123   2/17/2021 at 10:59 (1,135 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Thank you Bob! This was a three day load (there are three Ikea mugs at the right that I only use for my morning coffee. :-)

Usually I do a load after three days even when it isn't full. But it's never empty!

I made the pictures just after it was finished, some plastics still had some water drops on them. I waited a bit before unloading.


Post# 1108969 , Reply# 124   2/21/2021 at 05:19 (1,131 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
Once a day sometimes every two days

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We used to eat out three or four times a week due to our schedules.  Since the pandemic started we now do take out maybe once or twice a week.  We have a favorite food truck and restaurant that we order from.  We hope in some small way to help keep them going.

 

Now that we are cooking more at home there are a lot more dishes.  For the two of us we run the dishwasher once a day maybe every two but usually not much more than that.  This was yesterday's load.  Joe unloaded the dishwasher the night before so this is yesterdays' dishes.  I've got some bare spots but at this point I ran it to be ready for this morning.


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Post# 1108987 , Reply# 125   2/21/2021 at 10:38 (1,131 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Ralph, BobLoad certification. The bare spots I see are minimal, just in the lower rack. The little orange bowl in the flatware basket (I do that too), if you'd needed the space, I would have put it under the mesh strainer on the bottom, front left.

Post# 1109083 , Reply# 126   2/22/2021 at 01:37 (1,130 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        

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Thank you Bob.


Post# 1109105 , Reply# 127   2/22/2021 at 08:03 (1,130 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Oh thank's!

for the dirty load pic's too! I did want pancakes, or brioche' french toast for brekafast, but now I'll just wait a bit and have my nanner, hard boiled egg, and protein shake with 26 grams of protein and 120 calories.

Post# 1109269 , Reply# 128   2/22/2021 at 23:04 (1,130 days old) by Tomdawg (Des moines)        
The bob load

Here is my bob load a few months back. Everything came out clean. Except for one gray cap on the third rack had a little loose food on it.

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Post# 1109273 , Reply# 129   2/23/2021 at 00:11 (1,130 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Tom, BobLoad certification.

Post# 1113281 , Reply# 130   3/31/2021 at 00:24 (1,094 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
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Still very happy with this dishwasher.

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Post# 1113334 , Reply# 131   3/31/2021 at 09:40 (1,093 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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David, definitely BobLoad certification. In fact, if I had a load with the same components, I'd have placed everything the same way. Although based upon soil, I'd probably opted for the 1 hour wash. I've found it to be quite effective usual day to day soils.

Post# 1113394 , Reply# 132   3/31/2021 at 17:57 (1,093 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        

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Thanks Bob. Yes, it can really hold a lot, especially when you BobLoad it!

Post# 1113459 , Reply# 133   4/1/2021 at 12:27 (1,092 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
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This started out as what I think was a pretty magnificent Bob load. Then I forgot to take a good picture of the bottom rack after the wash and included the skillet that had scorched on onions and cabbage. Everything was spotless except the large stainless skillet. The dishwasher cleaned better than expected, but it doesn't make for a stunning clean photo.

Sarah


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Post# 1113467 , Reply# 134   4/1/2021 at 14:36 (1,092 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Sarah, I'd say BobLoad Extroadinaire Certification !!!!!

Post# 1113485 , Reply# 135   4/1/2021 at 18:53 (1,092 days old) by Geoff (Cape Coral, FL)        
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Is extraordinaire the very top level of Bob Load certification? LOL

Post# 1113487 , Reply# 136   4/1/2021 at 19:31 (1,092 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
I'm so proud!

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Thank you, Bob. Thank you. Takes a bow.

Bruce said if there had been any more dirty dishes around, he would have hidden them from me. Son the younger says, "So, what, Mom, you need someone to tell you your dishes are clean?" Cynical child.

Sarah


Post# 1113489 , Reply# 137   4/1/2021 at 19:57 (1,092 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Geoff, you guessed the designation as spot on. And you are welcome Sarah. You earned it.

Post# 1113492 , Reply# 138   4/1/2021 at 20:12 (1,092 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I had a sort-of BobLoad® late this morn ... baked-on green bean casserole, mac&cheese&sausage, three scrambled egg mugs, oatmeal bowls, some other items folded-in.  WM enzyme powder spiked w/STPP, Normal cycle, all gleaming after, no pics.


Post# 1199162 , Reply# 139   2/12/2024 at 20:49 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
bob load

I did a bob load in my Kenmore with stuck-on blueberry pancake batter a few weeks ago, among other dirty stuff. I swear, that dishwasher would wipe the paint off a building. If you dare open it while running, you'll be immediately hit with a powerful spray of water. I have gotten sprayed in the face numerous times.

Post# 1199173 , Reply# 140   2/13/2024 at 00:20 by Ultramatic (New York City)        

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Sister Mary Knock-U-Into-Next-Week sez NEVER open the dishwasher while in operation.


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Post# 1199175 , Reply# 141   2/13/2024 at 01:24 by appnut (TX)        

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Louis, nun better "ad" to represent for me than that.


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