Thread Number: 82567
/ Tag: Modern Dishwashers
Frigidaire Dishwashers- why the hate? |
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Post# 1066554 , Reply# 1   4/8/2020 at 20:05 (1,472 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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Post# 1066594 , Reply# 4   4/9/2020 at 05:48 (1,471 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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I had a top-of-the-line 2004 (or thereabouts) Frigidaire dishwasher whose interior and wash system looked like yours. It did a fine job and was the quietest machine I’d had up to that point. It was my first experience with alternate-rack washing and dedicated half-load cycles for either the bottom or top rack.
At any rate, your Frigidaire was acquired for a great price when you needed it most. Congratulations! |
Post# 1066595 , Reply# 5   4/9/2020 at 06:12 (1,471 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1066596 , Reply# 6   4/9/2020 at 06:25 (1,471 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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I haven't owned one nor do I repair them but what I know is the experience of a friend of mine who had one in a new house they bought. Within a year it was repaired three times so out it went. She said the cleaning was just OK but also complained about the dishes being wet.
The other thing I have observed is that when I look at dishwashers on craigslist for example, there is a really high percentage of Frigidaire. I just looked on our list and there are four out of about 20 that are listed. I guess if they are offered for sale that often there must be a reason.
Glad you got a good one and if it gets you over the hump that's all that counts. |
Post# 1066603 , Reply# 8   4/9/2020 at 07:59 (1,471 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)   |   | |
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Frigidaire seems to be the replacement for GE Profile for builder grade appliances..
my brother just bought a new house about 2 years ago, all the model homes were sporting Frigidaire in stainless... everything seems like thin flimsy materials...the stove doesn't even have a bottom drawer... the oven blew out two igniters, the board in the dishwasher went, the washer needed a water valve, the dryers heating element needed replacing, the micro/hood you can't turn off the lights, and the ice maker stopped working.... of course just after the 1 year warranty ran out.....but what got me, replacement parts came up NLA....we found a few on ebay, and others we had to improvise....but he will be in the market for replacements soon..... I told him to start replacing now while their still running, he can at least sell them and put that money towards better machines.... also have noticed around the complex, of appliances being thrown out for scrap.... |
Post# 1066605 , Reply# 9   4/9/2020 at 08:27 (1,471 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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Builders Love em! Their Electrolux branded appliances have higher prices, but still Frigi-Lux. No better. |
Post# 1066609 , Reply# 10   4/9/2020 at 08:49 (1,471 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Post# 1066641 , Reply# 13   4/9/2020 at 13:30 (1,471 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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were the only domestic choices in an 18 inch model DW. GE may still offer one. |
Post# 1066653 , Reply# 14   4/9/2020 at 15:14 (1,471 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)   |   | |
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I've had four in different houses and liked them all. I put one in this house when I moved in. |
Post# 1066682 , Reply# 15   4/9/2020 at 18:54 (1,471 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)   |   | |
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My experience has been they don't last more than 5 years without a major failure. I've had two over the years, first one was a lower-end version of yours and the main wash motor died after about 4 years. The last one I just replaced lasted less than 5 years before the main wash motor died. My racks also started to disintegrate in my second one. I replaced my last Frigidaire a few weeks ago with a MOL Whirlpool and so far have been relatively happy with it.
I have to admit I was surprised when you said that was still operating after 17 years... |
Post# 1066712 , Reply# 16   4/9/2020 at 22:56 (1,470 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)   |   | |
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I hade one for a year. The machine quit working. The only thing that was working was the control panel. That's it! We have a Kenmore powerwave stainless interior in white and I'm very satisfied! Not being racist against dishwashers. |
Post# 1066747 , Reply# 17   4/10/2020 at 09:11 (1,470 days old) by patcherd2 (NJ)   |   | |
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Never knew dishwashers were a race 🤡 Honk Honk |
Post# 1066787 , Reply# 18   4/10/2020 at 15:23 (1,470 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)   |   | |
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Post# 1066822 , Reply# 20   4/10/2020 at 20:39 (1,470 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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Post# 1067191 , Reply# 22   4/13/2020 at 10:37 (1,467 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 1067211 , Reply# 23   4/13/2020 at 14:43 (1,467 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)   |   | |
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Post# 1067288 , Reply# 26   4/14/2020 at 07:00 (1,466 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi Dustin, Well I think you answered your own question along with a lot of others that have chimed in. When you started this thread I figured you would soon figure out why FD DWs are not highly regarded.
And once you get one of the DWs listed below you will also see the many flaws in the design and performance of even the MT DW you had. The MT standard tub DW like their Tall Tub models that came later were both interesting designs with a lot of interesting engineering designed into them, but both had many reliability problems and both are disappearing fast from Americas kitchens.
As far as the best practical slightly vintage DW, I think that most will agree is a 1985-2006 WP Power-Clean or Kenmore Standard tub Ultra-Wash DW.
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Post# 1067290 , Reply# 27   4/14/2020 at 07:31 (1,466 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)   |   | |
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I had one from this series in Florida. These were still made by WCI. If you look at the bottom wash arm, all the jets are at the end of each side. For the reasons mentioned above, I had the same trouble with dishes not getting clean, I use to adjust the amount of detergent I used, thinking it was me and because of the reduced amount of water it used.
Watching some of the youtube vids, and now that Electrolux is making these, I do think they are much better and the spray is more powerful. I would consider getting one today. |
Post# 1071254 , Reply# 29   5/7/2020 at 22:13 (1,442 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Dustin,
From you photos I see (in pic #4) that your Frigidaire DW has the same fatal flaw as the one I bought around 2000: a flimsy debris screen, about the size and shape of a 33-1/3 rpm long playing record. The heat from the element above will warp it to the point where it gets wavy and then lets all sort of kibbles and bits through to sully what should be clean dishes. You got your Lemon-aire for free, so might I suggest putting it back on the curb and getting a real dishwasher? Like a Bosch? |
Post# 1071290 , Reply# 30   5/8/2020 at 06:00 (1,442 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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at any price! |
Post# 1071335 , Reply# 32   5/8/2020 at 11:11 (1,442 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Have heared a lot of complaints about DW but a properly working Bosch not cleaning is not one of them... |
Post# 1071364 , Reply# 33   5/8/2020 at 13:27 (1,442 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Suggest using Finish Tabs with a Bosch. I tried using some Costco gel-pack DW detergent, and had the same problem with film and deposits. With Finish tabs, problem has not recurred. Along the way I also had to replace the drain pump, which was easy enough, and part was relatively inexpensive on-line.
Also check that the washer is properly draining at the start of the cycle - I can hear when mine is sucking air out of the sump and that indicates to me it's done a complete drain. If not, I do a combo button push to force a drain, then restart the cycle. I don't think it's a Bosch problem. More a problem with the air gap on my sink, which sometimes clogs. |
Post# 1071388 , Reply# 35   5/8/2020 at 14:38 (1,442 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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every single place I've lived, including the house I grew up in...I've never had a Frigidaire brand of any appliance. However, my grandma had a GM Frigidaire washer. Every place I've ever lived has either been GE, Kenmore/Whirlpool.
Doesn't Elux make Frigidaire now? I know I hear good things about Elux washers (not sure about dishwashers) About Finish foaming. I can use Finish powerball with no issues, but I can't use quantum at all. Way too much foaming and it stresses out the dishwasher, and we have hard water. Luckily, it was a sample of Quantum I had so I never bought any. I remember when the dishwasher finished, everything was spotless so it worked well. I just felt like if I used it (even with good results) that it would shorten the life of my dishwasher just hearing it struggle and making noises I had never heard it make before when washing until I used that stuff. |
Post# 1071404 , Reply# 36   5/8/2020 at 16:34 (1,442 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)   |   | |
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How very odd--100 miles down the road I've got a cheap Bosch that does a wonderful job. I replaced a PowerClean Kenmore with it--been happy with it--only fault I might cite is the racking is engineered to work well with Corelle but not so much Dansk stoneware. The last 30 seconds of every wash cycle, and the first 15 seconds of every cycle is a drain sequence to get rid of any of the condensation from the drying process.
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Post# 1071496 , Reply# 39   5/9/2020 at 05:21 (1,441 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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This is a friendly place for discussions 99.9% of the time. Every once in a while, we’ll have a little flare up but that’s to be expected when you have so many opinions for and against any topic. When I don’t like a post, I usually just ignore it. If you run away, you give them the power they are after. In my opinion ignoring them is much more powerful.
The reality of the situation is when you post on this site you are likely to get as many opinions as there are replies. We all have different criteria by which we measure things. In addition to that, some people will analyze the shit out of something before making a decision (like me I am one of those I just don’t post it all) and some make decisions purely on impulse.
You should buy the machine that meets your criteria. Me personally, my Bosch experience couldn’t be any more opposite than yours. Our Bosch will clean anything we throw at it. Yup it takes 3 hours, but I’ve adjusted. When I need something quickly I either use the Speed cycle or wash it by hand. It’s not the end of the world.
So, here is my opinion on this topic. I haven’t read every one of your posts but it seems to me that you have tried a number of dishwashers in your house. Maybe I have you confused with someone else and if I do, I apologize. But if you have, and every one of them has produced poor results then maybe you should look beyond the dishwasher for your solution.
There are so many variables like water hardness, detergent, rinse aid, incoming water temperature, etc. you may just have to find the right combination for your situation. I had to do a lot of experimenting to find a combination that worked well for me because I have very soft water and everything foamed.
You started your post singing the praises of the Maytag you had. I don’t know what model it was but the Maytag I had for about a year in the old house was great. Is it an option to fix the old machine and continue to use the machine that worked so well for you? |
Post# 1071509 , Reply# 40   5/9/2020 at 06:22 (1,441 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Because a user interacts with a DW a lot when loading, unloading, being near the machine when in use and the sounds it makes and even what it looks like there are going to be opinions all over the place of which machines are best and worst.
I have read engineering studies on Vacuum Cleaner design and you have the same issues with vacuum cleaners, some people love a certain model and other people are ready to throw it in the dumpster, and again it is partly because you interact so much with a vacuum so much when using it, Washers & Dryers do not have as much interaction when using them with the user and while many users have strong opinions it is a lot easier to live with for most users.
Our experiences of Bosch Accsentra DWs that we have worked on and discussed with our clients.
Number one service call, DW is not cleaning well, this has usually been a bad inlet valve with the DW not getting enough water and clogged filters and wash arms.
Other problems, wheels falling off the lower rack, broken detergent dispensers, broken plastic control panels, wording wears off plastic control panel, the machines are also difficult to keep level and attached to cabinets due to cheap flimsy overall construction.
Many people complain about limited loading options and smaller capacity and poor drying results, overall I would rank Bosch Accensta DWs about equal with the cheaper Frigidaire DWs.
Best new DWs for least money, probably the cheaper WP products, best overall new DW are probably the current Maytags, That said I have seen no current DW that does not have possible significant shortcomings and will probably never buy a new DW for the rest of my lifetime.
Dishwashers hit their peak of performance in the US in the 1980s and this great combination of performance, durability and energy efficiency continued well into the 1990s. There are so many of these great lightly used machines out there going for almost no money that if you can fix things there is just no reason to ever but a new DW that is so ultra-tuned for noise and water consumption that they often have performance issues.
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Post# 1071524 , Reply# 42   5/9/2020 at 08:51 (1,441 days old) by zeldaella (US)   |   | |
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I'm going to buy a Frigidaire dishwasher. What you say makes me a bit confused. I think I still will buy it. Hope it's OK |
Post# 1071531 , Reply# 43   5/9/2020 at 09:29 (1,441 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 1071575 , Reply# 44   5/9/2020 at 13:29 (1,441 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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I have zero complaints with Bosch Ascenta I bought last year and I never rinse, and barely scrape stuff off. I convinced our neighbor next door to get one just after Xmas when her Kitchenaid, like mine, crapped out. She says she's never had such clean dishes. Maybe there's something wrong with yours because although I've heard complaints about the racks I've heard little to nothing about their washing performance
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Post# 1071585 , Reply# 45   5/9/2020 at 14:12 (1,441 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I routinely use Corelle dinnerware and have no problem whatsoever loading it into my 20 year old Bosch SHU-43CU dishwasher. It gets them sparkling clean, using Finish Powerball tabs.
Normally, however, I hand wash pots and pans, because I don't like letting them sit until a full DW load is accumulated. And it's so simple to wash a pot or pan in the sink. I did modify slightly the cutlery basket, enlarging most of the holes to allow a slighly oversize flat ware set to fit efficiently. Just snipped some of the intervening plastic bars with wire cutters. Easy peasy. |
Post# 1071882 , Reply# 47   5/10/2020 at 21:22 (1,439 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I noticed that Frigidaire improved its DW design after I jettisoned mine. I think they realized the big plastic debris filter was a very bad design, and I *think* they went to a steel one instead. But I wouldn't swear on it.
I went Bosch after that, and henceforth any new DW I buy (should the Bosch finally bite the dust) will have similar features, including a hidden water heating element, and an all stainless steel tub. Anything else, IMHO, is a waste of money. |
Post# 1072074 , Reply# 50   5/12/2020 at 03:16 (1,438 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Actually on the SHU-43CU, the cutlery baskets had flip up lids, so if one doesn't want to use the partitions, one can just flip the lids up, and voilá.
I ran it that way for years, but last year or so I decided that some pieces were nesting in a way that wasn't so good, and tried flipping the lids down. With the mods this has worked out fairly well. YMMV |
Post# 1072278 , Reply# 53   5/13/2020 at 09:34 (1,437 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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This could certainly turn into one of those wildly debated topics, so I’ll get in ahead of that and add my two cents. I echo Henrik’s comments about the silverware seems to be cleaner in the third rack vs. the silverware basket and that unloading is a lot faster while only touching the handles.
Your gonna sort going in or coming out. If I take a couple of extra seconds to organize them when I load the third rack, then unloading is a breeze.
I think it’s just a personal preference. I like opening the door a small way and sliding out the top shelf to add a spoon vs. having to open the door the entire way to pull out the bottom rack part of the way to add the spoon. |
Post# 1072323 , Reply# 54   5/13/2020 at 14:02 (1,437 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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My 2008 LG turned me into a ‘third rack’ guy for silverware. I was cooking a lot back then and the cutlery rack allowed me to liberate the bottom rack of its large silverware basket permanently.
It wasn’t a matter of which rack provided better cleaning; for me it was all about the real estate gained. As far as speed of loading and unloading flatware, placing the pieces individually never really bothered me.
Sigh...God, I loved that LG. Largest capacity of any dishwasher I’ve ever had. Cleaned the grimiest pots and pans superbly. Had a very effective short cycle. Was so quiet...and it had interior lights! Talk about a cheap trick to make the stainless steel interior absolutely gleam, but I loved it. |
Post# 1072389 , Reply# 55   5/13/2020 at 20:45 (1,437 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Well it has never occurred to me to put flatware into the basket business side down. I'd be concerned about nesting occurring which would be less visible and more likely to result in incomplete cleaning. That said, I do place sharp steak knives point down, in the corners of the basket, to minimize possibility of injury from stumbles and falls. I don't put high grade high carbon stainless cutting and slicing knives in the DW.
Perhaps one of these days I'll try flipping up the basket lids and try loading with handles dangling in the breeze. What's the worst that can happen? |
Post# 1072456 , Reply# 56   5/14/2020 at 08:27 (1,436 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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without the lid, as the tops don't fit through the slots. |
Post# 1072472 , Reply# 57   5/14/2020 at 10:01 (1,436 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))   |   | |
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Manufacturers over here usually state to load knifes handle up, the rest handle down for better cleaning. |
Post# 1072529 , Reply# 59   5/14/2020 at 17:21 (1,436 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Well I tried loading the flatware basket handles up for everything, and the test run seemed to clean just fine. A side benefit was that this way, without the little grid divisions in the lids, I was able to load my favorite small plastic spatulae flat end down (they just fit). This is good because if I lay them flat on a rack, or try to insert them handle side down, the gap between the handle and the shaft admits water and then it dribbles out when I unload the DW. Of course I was careful not to nest spoons and such, but it looks like this might be the way to go from here on out.
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Post# 1072532 , Reply# 60   5/14/2020 at 18:07 (1,436 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Actually, I love this. My 2014 Maytag is the first dishwasher I've had that has the silverware divider. It's great, especially for nesting spoons. I always (being a clean freak) wash my hands before unloading. But I do understand being a clean freak that face down, unloading, and not touching would be a must for some people.
Other things I do after unloading - I wipe down the sides of the door that meet the rubber when closed, the area at the bottom front and the rubber seal with a cleaning rag with bleach water on it. I do the same thing with my FL Duet, wipe that rubber area down. I'm always obsessively trying to keep everything I own looking like new. I probably have some sort of mental disorder. I don't know. |
Post# 1072539 , Reply# 61   5/14/2020 at 18:39 (1,436 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Well, although I worked for years doing sterile cell culture type of work, and had that down fairly well, I'm no clean freak. I figure we live in a sea of microbes and complete avoidance of them is not really healthy. Case in point: children born from Caesarian section tend to get asthma. Why? Well, that type of birth is aseptic, and as a result the newborn infant doesn't get exposed to maternal flora and antigens. Then the kid hasn't built up immunity to common antigens and suffers later in life from breathing difficulties from asthma. Strange, I know, but that's what I have read from reputable sources.
Anyway, it's a simple matter to wash ones hands before unloading a dishwasher if there is concern of skin bacteria contaminating pristine just washed flatware. But I'm simply not afraid of that possibility. I tend to be more concerned when the DW malfunctions and doesn't drain dirty water properly and redistributes filth from food deposits that have had some time to grow things, all over the place. YMMV |