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Frigidaire Dishwashers- why the hate?
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Post# 1066532   4/8/2020 at 18:50 (1,472 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

Our beloved Maytag Jetclean bit the dust a few days ago, and while it's probably repairable, it's not financially possible right now. The same evening, I found a working Frigidaire dishwasher on Facebook, curbside for free. Picked it up the next morning, and while it's definitely seen better days, and had some pretty bad mineral buildup inside, it seems to wash pretty well, and surprisingly quietly. I had to clean out both spray arms (neither could get enough water pressure through to rotate before!) But it was mainly hard water mineral build up. Yes, it does wash one rack at a time, and sounds like a drain pump for the wash cycle, but I've only had one dirty dish come out. Definitely not the same build quality as our Maytag, but from what I see Frigidaire is a lower price point than Maytag. I'll post a couple pictures when the current wash is done, but from what I can find online and from the manual it was built around 2003. The only real issue I see is the bottom rack is pretty rotten.. I assume from prerinsing and over use of detergents, maybe high heat cycles? I'll be happy if it gets us through this apocalypse until I can repair the Maytag or find something better! But honestly, I haven't heard a lot positive about Frigidaire dishwashers and curious to know why?




Post# 1066554 , Reply# 1   4/8/2020 at 20:05 (1,472 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        



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Post# 1066555 , Reply# 2   4/8/2020 at 20:10 (1,472 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

Cycle times aren't too awful either, and it does have a soil sensor that seems to like shortening the wash times. Pots and pans clocks in at 99. minutes (115 according to the manual) and pre selects Hi temp wash and Sanitize. Normal wash clocks at 95 minutes (1:35) and last night it took 30 minutes off the cycle after sensing and the first prewash. Light wash (Both racks) is 85 minutes (1:25) and Light wash (Upper rack) is 65 minutes (1:05)

Post# 1066559 , Reply# 3   4/8/2020 at 20:39 (1,472 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

And the seen-better-days interior- Innovative feed system for the top arm if nothing else.. I like the nice deep top rack. The stain in the prewash dispenser is not undissolved detergent, pretty sure it's just hard water scale stained blue (by the Cascade complete liquid I'm using in the prewash).. It's hard and crusty and very hard to remove. Seems to be slowly dissolving. Dishes come out acceptably clean but not particularly dry- even after the heated dry most plastic is still wet. It's definitely not a Maytag but not as bad as the two builder grade GE's we had in our old house- I swear those machines just ground up any food particles and splattered them back on the dishes.

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Post# 1066594 , Reply# 4   4/9/2020 at 05:48 (1,471 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I had a top-of-the-line 2004 (or thereabouts) Frigidaire dishwasher whose interior and wash system looked like yours. It did a fine job and was the quietest machine I’d had up to that point. It was my first experience with alternate-rack washing and dedicated half-load cycles for either the bottom or top rack.

Its weak spot was not cleaning performance, but the motherboard, which had to be replaced three times. Symptom was always the same: The start pad quit responding. While waiting for the new part to arrive, I’d use the delay start pad as a work-around. The 30-minute wait for the cycle to begin was annoying, but at least it allowed the machine to be used.

After the third board was installed—machine was maybe 4-5 years old—I gave it away and replaced it with a TOL Maytag, which nearly started a kitchen fire when the heater began to engage for hours at a time, even when the machine was off. That was scary. Had the recall work done, but no longer trusted it, so it went out the door.

 

At any rate, your Frigidaire was acquired for a great price when you needed it most. Congratulations!


Post# 1066595 , Reply# 5   4/9/2020 at 06:12 (1,471 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
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Have you tried an appliance descaler in the dishwasher see if it helps to remove or soften the limescale?

Its a pity that your machines are not like ours and have a water softener built it stops all the build up at source as we have particularly hard water and never an issue with limescale.

Austin


Post# 1066596 , Reply# 6   4/9/2020 at 06:25 (1,471 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
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I haven't owned one nor do I repair them but what I know is the experience of a friend of mine who had one in a new house they bought.  Within a year it was repaired three times so out it went.  She said the cleaning was just OK but also complained about the dishes being wet.

 

The other thing I have observed is that when I look at dishwashers on craigslist for example, there is a really high percentage of Frigidaire.  I just looked on our list and there are four out of about 20 that are listed.  I guess if they are offered for sale that often there must be a reason.

 

Glad you got a good one and if it gets you over the hump that's all that counts.


Post# 1066600 , Reply# 7   4/9/2020 at 07:27 (1,471 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

I'd like to believe that by the time I get a machine it's been around the block a few times so the electronic issues seem to be worked out LOL. I was eyeing an older tall tub TOL Maytag on CL a while back, had a 3rd lower rack.. Was interesting but maybe a good thing I passed. I did use LemiShine granules (citric acid based hard water descaler) in both dispensers and ran an empty wash, but I've never seen such a buildup as what it had in the sump area below the filter- it was dry so I actually chiseled it away with a screwdriver and vacuumed probably a couple cups worth out.. The soil sensor was completely buried in sediment. Both spray arms were clogged to where they could no longer rotate. The detergent dispenser had so much sediment and scale built up around it the door wouldn't shut. No way was it cleaning anything- the owners must have prewashed everything. The heating element had/has some buildup but not too bad surprisingly. I do wish our machines on this side of the pond came with built in softeners standard..

Post# 1066603 , Reply# 8   4/9/2020 at 07:59 (1,471 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Frigidaire seems to be the replacement for GE Profile for builder grade appliances..

my brother just bought a new house about 2 years ago, all the model homes were sporting Frigidaire in stainless...

everything seems like thin flimsy materials...the stove doesn't even have a bottom drawer...

the oven blew out two igniters, the board in the dishwasher went, the washer needed a water valve, the dryers heating element needed replacing, the micro/hood you can't turn off the lights, and the ice maker stopped working....

of course just after the 1 year warranty ran out.....but what got me, replacement parts came up NLA....we found a few on ebay, and others we had to improvise....but he will be in the market for replacements soon.....

I told him to start replacing now while their still running, he can at least sell them and put that money towards better machines....

also have noticed around the complex, of appliances being thrown out for scrap....


Post# 1066605 , Reply# 9   4/9/2020 at 08:27 (1,471 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Cheaply made, low pricepoint.

Builders Love em! Their Electrolux branded appliances have higher prices, but still Frigi-Lux. No better.

Post# 1066609 , Reply# 10   4/9/2020 at 08:49 (1,471 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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There was a Frigidaire dishwasher in my house when I bought it. It ended up staying for a month. It was not a dishwasher, it was a dish wetter. The dishes came out dirtier than they went in.

I put it to the curb and installed a Maytag 300 quiet series.


Post# 1066610 , Reply# 11   4/9/2020 at 08:57 (1,471 days old) by Steved (Guilderland, New York)        
I’ve had a few......

Not because they were bad dishwashers, but rather that I wanted the latest features. I discovered that performance increased significantly when the machine had HOT water. I think that many times, there wasn’t hot enough water standing in the pipes. I resorted to running the faucet prior to running the dishwasher. Once I added a recirculating pump to my hot water line, I had no cleaning issues and drying improved.
For the money, I think these are decent machines providing they're only a few feet from the hot water tank.


Post# 1066618 , Reply# 12   4/9/2020 at 10:03 (1,471 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC)        

My current apartment came with a slightly used 18" stainless lined Frigidaire.
I ran it once or twice and knew parts were missing. So I called my landlord after looking at the parts schematic online and he ordered the parts- top wash arm and one other part. I installed them.
It get run almost daily and doing a lower rack "Bob" isn't doeable, but there are lots of top rack "bob's". I'm still impressed! It doesn't handle mashed potatoes well, so that's a hand wash thing, but every load is clean ---at least to my standards! I always use the hi-temp cycle and with the h20 tank right next to the machine, there's always lots of hot water. I use Finish Quantum pakcs and rinse aid and am very happy. Living in 550 sq. ft, I don't feel the noise is even an issue. (O.K., I fall asleep after dinner!) I hand clean the filter about every 3-4 months. After 3 years, I know it like the back of my hand and know the in's and outs of loading it for best results! I'll keep the Frigidaire! Greg



Post# 1066641 , Reply# 13   4/9/2020 at 13:30 (1,471 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Perhaps DM, and Frigidaire

were the only domestic choices in an 18 inch model DW. GE may still offer one.

Post# 1066653 , Reply# 14   4/9/2020 at 15:14 (1,471 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

I've had four in different houses and liked them all. I put one in this house when I moved in.


Post# 1066682 , Reply# 15   4/9/2020 at 18:54 (1,471 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)        
Don't last...

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My experience has been they don't last more than 5 years without a major failure. I've had two over the years, first one was a lower-end version of yours and the main wash motor died after about 4 years. The last one I just replaced lasted less than 5 years before the main wash motor died. My racks also started to disintegrate in my second one. I replaced my last Frigidaire a few weeks ago with a MOL Whirlpool and so far have been relatively happy with it.

I have to admit I was surprised when you said that was still operating after 17 years...


Post# 1066712 , Reply# 16   4/9/2020 at 22:56 (1,470 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
my experience

I hade one for a year. The machine quit working. The only thing that was working was the control panel. That's it! We have a Kenmore powerwave stainless interior in white and I'm very satisfied! Not being racist against dishwashers.

Post# 1066747 , Reply# 17   4/10/2020 at 09:11 (1,470 days old) by patcherd2 (NJ)        

Never knew dishwashers were a race 🤡 Honk Honk

Post# 1066787 , Reply# 18   4/10/2020 at 15:23 (1,470 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US)        

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I'd say maybe "brandist" is the more appropriate word.

Post# 1066819 , Reply# 19   4/10/2020 at 20:13 (1,470 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

Well for about the 3rd time, it's definitely NOT a MAYTAG. I'm becoming a little less impressed with it as time goes on... A dirty dish here, some kibbles and bits left there, today I took a plate out of the cupboard with dried cheese on it.. Always some sort of crud left in or around the filters.. The search is on for something else! If all else fails I may just reinstall the defective Maytag (lost the final drain cycle in the timer but works otherwise) but I feel like that is a last resort.. Could cause problems down the line. I don't hate this Frigidaire at all, it's a perfectly adequate dishwasher, but I'm used to a machine that will wash the chrome off a trailer hitch, and this one just won't. I feel like this sits one notch above a builder grade one-arm-wonder GE.. it does clean dishes.. Adequately.. But not amazingly. It's acceptably quiet, and makes an attempt at drying. No more no less.

Post# 1066822 , Reply# 20   4/10/2020 at 20:39 (1,470 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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I found these timers on ebay.....according to repairclinic this is your model maytag.

for some reason it won't link.  Every time I put the link in it just goes to a search page.  Anyway, there are 3 timers on ebay.

part number 12001533

 

 


Post# 1067140 , Reply# 21   4/12/2020 at 22:25 (1,467 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

I may do that, but in all honesty the Maytag's tired.. I got it well used secondhand probably 5 years ago, and it's been used, HEAVILY. The racks are rusty, adjustable tines held together with zip ties, has a rattle during drain cycles that sounds like a worn bearing, and will occasionally pick up a loud squeal about halfway through the wash cycle. It still washes flawlessly, but I'm afraid it's just lived out it's useful life. Not bad for 23 years old.

On another note, the Frigidaire seems to be producing acceptably clean dishes for the most part.. I just don't think it's going to be staying long. I pulled out 2 dirty spoons (looked like redeposited food) from the lower rack tonight and 2 marginally clean (but extremely hot) saucepans (one was used to boil eggs and still had water marks, the other used to boil pasta had starch stains). The upper rack was clean except a spatula on the flip down shelf that had cheesecake filling on it. Washed with a Cascade pod on Normal Wash, Hi Temp, Sanitize, Heated dry. I opened the door and shook both racks after the final rinse, then continued with the heated dry. Everything was 85+-% dry. My statement stands.. It's an adequate dishwasher but nothing more.. I wouldn't expect it to remove anything cooked or burned on, not even on the pots/pans cycle.

That said, what would be the "ideal" dishwasher to look for on the used market? I'm looking for a cheap machine that will wash the chrome off a trailer hitch, then produce DRY dishes.. All within a reasonable amount of time and relative efficiency, low noise level would be great. I may start a thread dedicated to my search for the "perfect" dishwasher... I've seen some of the new offerings from Whirlpool and Kitchenaid and I"m not impressed, and the 2-4 hour cycles times seem to be standard across the board.. Too long.


Post# 1067191 , Reply# 22   4/13/2020 at 10:37 (1,467 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Try using the Pots/Pans cycle once; curious to know if that improves cleaning.

Post# 1067211 , Reply# 23   4/13/2020 at 14:43 (1,467 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
It begs the question>>>

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Why doesn't Frigidaire/electrolux build a better dishwashing machine? Some of them are not exactly cheap, so it's not cost but why not build a good machine so people don't hate it?

Post# 1067229 , Reply# 24   4/13/2020 at 17:10 (1,467 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Why?

Because they don't care to. That would cost more, and increase the prices. Remember, the parent is AB Electrolux, a global conglomerate sourcing parts from low bidders first. It's been their way since they closed their europena plants, except Hungary, and began sourcing from China. Frigidaire quality wasn't the former GM quality under White Comsolidated, and AB-Lux bought them out afterward and it became even worse. Our neighbors post millenium SxS Fridge was only 12 years old, and wasn't worth repairing when the unit went out after control board replacemnt, and evaporator damper before that. same model as the one on the "Reba" show later seasons, not her Hotpoint.

Post# 1067243 , Reply# 25   4/13/2020 at 19:50 (1,467 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

I did use the Pots/Pans cycle the other day and aside from pre selecting Hi Temp wash and Sanitize, it seemed to do about the same as Normal, although it took considerably longer.. Still had the dirty dish or 2 if I recall. I did a light load tonight on Light wash- Both racks with Hi Temp wash and heated dry, and it seemed to do ok, aside from a couple chunks of food that were jammed in the lower spray arm after the cycle. Re washed the dirty spatula from last night, and STILL had cheesecake residue on it, now washed down to a dry residue, which easily wiped off. Mine obviously wasn't a low end machine new and I would be disappointed to see a mid to high end machine perform this poorly... There.. I said it.. POORLY.

Post# 1067288 , Reply# 26   4/14/2020 at 07:00 (1,466 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Frigidaire DWs, Why The Hate ?

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Hi Dustin, Well I think you answered your own question along with a lot of others that have chimed in. When you started this thread I figured you would soon figure out why FD DWs are not highly regarded.

 

And once you get one of the DWs listed below you will also see the many flaws in the design and performance of even the MT DW you had. The MT standard tub DW like their Tall Tub models that came later were both interesting designs with a lot of interesting engineering designed into them, but both had many reliability problems and both are disappearing fast from Americas kitchens.

 

As far as the best practical slightly vintage DW, I think that most will agree is a 1985-2006 WP Power-Clean or Kenmore Standard tub Ultra-Wash DW.

 

John L.


Post# 1067290 , Reply# 27   4/14/2020 at 07:31 (1,466 days old) by RE563 (Fort Worth, Texas)        
Keep in mind

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I had one from this series in Florida. These were still made by WCI. If you look at the bottom wash arm, all the jets are at the end of each side. For the reasons mentioned above, I had the same trouble with dishes not getting clean, I use to adjust the amount of detergent I used, thinking it was me and because of the reduced amount of water it used.

Watching some of the youtube vids, and now that Electrolux is making these, I do think they are much better and the spray is more powerful. I would consider getting one today.


Post# 1071242 , Reply# 28   5/7/2020 at 19:44 (1,443 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

I found a slightly newer Frigidaire, also free, which had a bad wash motor, but also newer style spray arms- the lower arm was a direct fit, and with just that replaced, the performance improved, I could actually hear water hitting the top and sides of the tub! Today I completely disassembled both machines and transplanted all the electronics and working wash assembly into the newer style tub, which has a direct feed to the upper arm and not that silly funnel. Also has a 3rd arm above the top rack. I used the racks from the newer machine, since they are only slightly rusty and no broken tines. It still uses the same check ball float system to engage the 2nd and 3rd level arms. The holes in the spray arms are slightly smaller than the old ones, so it sounds like it's getting better pressure. The machine looks the same but sounds like something is actually getting washed inside. Currently running it's first wash, we will see how things come out!

Post# 1071254 , Reply# 29   5/7/2020 at 22:13 (1,442 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        
Frigi-Junk

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Dustin,

From you photos I see (in pic #4) that your Frigidaire DW has the same fatal flaw as the one I bought around 2000: a flimsy debris screen, about the size and shape of a 33-1/3 rpm long playing record. The heat from the element above will warp it to the point where it gets wavy and then lets all sort of kibbles and bits through to sully what should be clean dishes.

You got your Lemon-aire for free, so might I suggest putting it back on the curb and getting a real dishwasher? Like a Bosch?


Post# 1071290 , Reply# 30   5/8/2020 at 06:00 (1,442 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Junk is junk,

at any price!

Post# 1071312 , Reply# 31   5/8/2020 at 08:53 (1,442 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

Funny you should suggest I purchase a Bosch.. I have a Bosch Ascenta that's 2.5 years old.. I feel like it's a dishwasher for someone who doesn't cook.. Because it doesn't wash. It does fine with pre washed dishes and minimal detergent, but I don't prewash so a teaspoon is not enough to clean a load of dishes. Otherwise it leaves dishes filmy and water spotted, even with rinse aid, and any combination of products we have found. It doesn't dry anything, and the racking is horrendous. I can almost deal with kibbles and bits left over that I can see, but not film and detergent residue. Plus it takes a minimum of 2 and a half hours. It is quiet and efficient, I will give it that, but I wonder HOW efficient because all we ever used was the hottest heaviest cycle, and even then, sometimes twice.

I suppose the reason I haven't gone out and bought a new dishwasher is because the Frigidaire is still working better than the worst dishwasher I've ever used, and my boredom during the covid 19 is making it function better.. I originally got it because I couldn't afford a new one, abd now I'm pretty sure it's just the challenge. Last night's light load came out great, I did install the filter from the newer unit, which isn't warped as my original is. I may well go out and buy a new dishwasher now..


Post# 1071335 , Reply# 32   5/8/2020 at 11:11 (1,442 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Have heared a lot of complaints about DW but a properly working Bosch not cleaning is not one of them...

Post# 1071364 , Reply# 33   5/8/2020 at 13:27 (1,442 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Suggest using Finish Tabs with a Bosch. I tried using some Costco gel-pack DW detergent, and had the same problem with film and deposits. With Finish tabs, problem has not recurred. Along the way I also had to replace the drain pump, which was easy enough, and part was relatively inexpensive on-line.

Also check that the washer is properly draining at the start of the cycle - I can hear when mine is sucking air out of the sump and that indicates to me it's done a complete drain. If not, I do a combo button push to force a drain, then restart the cycle. I don't think it's a Bosch problem. More a problem with the air gap on my sink, which sometimes clogs.


Post# 1071371 , Reply# 34   5/8/2020 at 13:50 (1,442 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

I've tried finish and they foam horribly in our water, and leave a nasty residue. I've had good luck with Sam's club Ultimate clean pods and recently Cascade original pods (oddly enough they seem to leave dishes less filmy than Complete or Platinum pods), along with some liquid Cascade Complete in the prewash cup. Yes the Bosch was working properly, and it was filling and draining properly.. We bought it new and it was just never that great. I figure it was just one of those things, it was the lowest priced Bosch available at the time so I figured we were getting what we paid for so to speak.. A BOL dishwasher.

Post# 1071388 , Reply# 35   5/8/2020 at 14:38 (1,442 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
It's funny

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every single place I've lived, including the house I grew up in...I've never had a Frigidaire brand of any appliance. However, my grandma had a GM Frigidaire washer. Every place I've ever lived has either been GE, Kenmore/Whirlpool.

Doesn't Elux make Frigidaire now? I know I hear good things about Elux washers (not sure about dishwashers)

About Finish foaming. I can use Finish powerball with no issues, but I can't use quantum at all. Way too much foaming and it stresses out the dishwasher, and we have hard water. Luckily, it was a sample of Quantum I had so I never bought any. I remember when the dishwasher finished, everything was spotless so it worked well. I just felt like if I used it (even with good results) that it would shorten the life of my dishwasher just hearing it struggle and making noises I had never heard it make before when washing until I used that stuff.


Post# 1071404 , Reply# 36   5/8/2020 at 16:34 (1,442 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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How very odd--100 miles down the road I've got a cheap Bosch that does a wonderful job. I replaced a PowerClean Kenmore with it--been happy with it--only fault I might cite is the racking is engineered to work well with Corelle but not so much Dansk stoneware. The last 30 seconds of every wash cycle, and the first 15 seconds of every cycle is a drain sequence to get rid of any of the condensation from the drying process.

Post# 1071441 , Reply# 37   5/8/2020 at 20:00 (1,442 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA)        
I think you should stop

reading posts. If you like frigidaire then buy frigidaire. It's a dishwasher, not a sex change operation. You can always change it out in a few years. I myself am very happy with whirlpool. But I do not have the latest generation (yet).

Post# 1071483 , Reply# 38   5/8/2020 at 23:26 (1,441 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

Cleaning performance aside, the Bosch racking system doesn't work well with corelle either. Nothing seems to fit where it's meant to fit and the racks are made for plates cups and bowls, not cookware.

I thought this forum was a place for friendly, productive discussion of appliances.. Maybe I should just post less.. Or not at all.


Post# 1071496 , Reply# 39   5/9/2020 at 05:21 (1,441 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
Decisions, decisions....

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This is a friendly place for discussions 99.9% of the time.  Every once in a while, we’ll have a little flare up but that’s to be expected when you have so many opinions for and against any topic.  When I don’t like a post, I usually just ignore it.  If you run away, you give them the power they are after.  In my opinion ignoring them is much more powerful.

 

The reality of the situation is when you post on this site you are likely to get as many opinions as there are replies.  We all have different criteria by which we measure things.  In addition to that, some people will analyze the shit out of something before making a decision (like me I am one of those I just don’t post it all) and some make decisions purely on impulse.

 

You should buy the machine that meets your criteria.  Me personally, my Bosch experience couldn’t be any more opposite than yours.  Our Bosch will clean anything we throw at it.  Yup it takes 3 hours, but I’ve adjusted.  When I need something quickly I either use the Speed cycle or wash it by hand.  It’s not the end of the world. 

 

So, here is my opinion on this topic.  I haven’t read every one of your posts but it seems to me that you have tried a number of dishwashers in your house.  Maybe I have you confused with someone else and if I do, I apologize.  But if you have, and every one of them has produced poor results then maybe you should look beyond the dishwasher for your solution.

 

There are so many variables like water hardness, detergent, rinse aid, incoming water temperature, etc. you may just have to find the right combination for your situation.  I had to do a lot of experimenting to find a combination that worked well for me because I have very soft water and everything foamed.

 

You started your post singing the praises of the Maytag you had.  I don’t know what model it was but the Maytag I had for about a year in the old house was great.  Is it an option to fix the old machine and continue to use the machine that worked so well for you?


Post# 1071509 , Reply# 40   5/9/2020 at 06:22 (1,441 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Nearly All Modern DWs Can Clean Very Well, BUT

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Because a user interacts with a DW a lot when loading, unloading, being near the machine when in use and the sounds it makes and even what it looks like there are going to be opinions all over the place of which machines are best and worst.

 

I have read engineering studies on Vacuum Cleaner design and you have the same issues with vacuum cleaners, some people love a certain model and other people are ready to throw it in the dumpster, and again it is partly because you interact so much with a vacuum so much when using it, Washers & Dryers do not have as much interaction when using them with the user and while many users have strong opinions it is a lot easier to live with for most users.

 

Our experiences of Bosch Accsentra DWs that we have worked on and discussed with our clients.

 

Number one service call, DW is not cleaning well, this has usually been a bad inlet valve with the DW not getting enough water and clogged filters and wash arms.

 

Other problems, wheels falling off the lower rack, broken detergent dispensers, broken plastic control panels, wording wears off plastic control panel, the machines are also difficult to keep level and attached to cabinets due to cheap flimsy overall construction.

 

Many people complain about limited loading options and smaller capacity and poor drying results, overall I would rank Bosch Accensta DWs about equal with the cheaper Frigidaire DWs.

 

Best new DWs for least money, probably the cheaper WP products, best overall new DW are probably the current Maytags, That said I have seen no current DW that does not have possible significant shortcomings and will probably never buy a new DW for the rest of my lifetime. 

 

Dishwashers hit their peak of performance in the US in the 1980s and this great combination of performance, durability and energy efficiency continued well into the 1990s. There are so many of these great lightly used machines out there going for almost no money that if you can fix things there is just no reason to ever but a new DW that is so ultra-tuned for noise and water consumption that they often have performance issues.

 

John L.


Post# 1071519 , Reply# 41   5/9/2020 at 07:18 (1,441 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

We have had several dishwashers, maybe I'm just being too picky. When we moved into this house, it had a Kenmore Ultra wash from 1998, and while it was a huge improvement over the builder grade GE in our last house, it was nothing special. Then came the Maytag Jetclean from about 1997, and that machine kicked butt. Not too noisy, got dishes clean and dry. Rarely if ever had a dirty dish. Then came the Bosch, which was kind of a mistake. It just never performed great.. Did fine with fresh loose food but nothing stuck on, and always left detergent residue and water spots, regardless of what detergents we used. I always kept the filters and wash arms clean, and it was getting plenty of water, I even tried adding some and it would just drain it back out. I re installed the Maytag after some minor repairs, but I'm pretty sure the timer has gone out, and to be totally honest, the whole machine is worn out. Cue the current Frigidaire, which is serving it's purpose but not particularly well.

Post# 1071524 , Reply# 42   5/9/2020 at 08:51 (1,441 days old) by zeldaella (US)        

I'm going to buy a Frigidaire dishwasher. What you say makes me a bit confused. I think I still will buy it. Hope it's OK

Post# 1071531 , Reply# 43   5/9/2020 at 09:29 (1,441 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Frigidaire DWs Have about The Worst Repair record

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If you buy one make sure it is perfectly installed, and take very good care of it and treat it gently and you may have a decent chance of getting some good use out of it out of it.

John L.


Post# 1071575 , Reply# 44   5/9/2020 at 13:29 (1,441 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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I have zero complaints with Bosch Ascenta I bought last year and I never rinse, and barely scrape stuff off. I convinced our neighbor next door to get one just after Xmas when her Kitchenaid, like mine, crapped out. She says she's never had such clean dishes. Maybe there's something wrong with yours because although I've heard complaints about the racks I've heard little to nothing about their washing performance

Post# 1071585 , Reply# 45   5/9/2020 at 14:12 (1,441 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        
Bosch bashing?

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I routinely use Corelle dinnerware and have no problem whatsoever loading it into my 20 year old Bosch SHU-43CU dishwasher. It gets them sparkling clean, using Finish Powerball tabs.

Normally, however, I hand wash pots and pans, because I don't like letting them sit until a full DW load is accumulated. And it's so simple to wash a pot or pan in the sink.

I did modify slightly the cutlery basket, enlarging most of the holes to allow a slighly oversize flat ware set to fit efficiently. Just snipped some of the intervening plastic bars with wire cutters. Easy peasy.


Post# 1071876 , Reply# 46   5/10/2020 at 20:54 (1,440 days old) by brainardcooper (Columbia, SC)        
Poor Frigidaire...

I have had my Frigidaire Dishwasher (Model # FDB949GFS2) for almost 15 years. I run it 2-3 times per week, sometimes more. It just keeps working and working. Really like the option of either using the upper rack only, which I use often, or using the lower rack only. I have thought about getting a new one for the sake of getting a new on but it just keeps working and working. I used to always rinse the dishes before washing them as I couldn't imagine it cleaning them otherwise. However, I have recently started using Cascade Pods and I am really amazed at the difference between that and the Cascade powder. So much so that I have stopped rinsing the dishes (for the most part) before washing and it does a great job. I have only owned Frigidaire appliances and can't complain.

Post# 1071882 , Reply# 47   5/10/2020 at 21:22 (1,439 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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I noticed that Frigidaire improved its DW design after I jettisoned mine. I think they realized the big plastic debris filter was a very bad design, and I *think* they went to a steel one instead. But I wouldn't swear on it.

I went Bosch after that, and henceforth any new DW I buy (should the Bosch finally bite the dust) will have similar features, including a hidden water heating element, and an all stainless steel tub. Anything else, IMHO, is a waste of money.


Post# 1071891 , Reply# 48   5/10/2020 at 22:45 (1,439 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

I was dishwasher shopping today and looked in a lower end Frigidaire- the screen/filter are identical to the original 2003 ones, and the upgraded 2009 model I scavenged for parts. The wash arms and racks look the same as the 2009 one. I'll most likely be going with a Whirlpool, for what it's worth.

Post# 1072069 , Reply# 49   5/12/2020 at 02:01 (1,438 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I did modify slightly the cutlery basket, enlarging most of the holes to allow a slighly oversize flat ware set to fit efficiently. Just snipped some of the intervening plastic bars with wire cutters. Easy peasy.

 

Wow, those cutlery whatevers were the first thing I tossed, sorry I'm not going to spend my time inserting silverware piece by piece and taking it out the same way.  I just toss stuff into the baskets  some up some down and turn the machine on.  Just as with dishes I've never had a dirty spoon come out.  Tried to use my third rack for cutlery but found it bothersome too.  I guess to each his own.


Post# 1072074 , Reply# 50   5/12/2020 at 03:16 (1,438 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        
Wow, those cutlery whatevers were the first thing I tossed

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Actually on the SHU-43CU, the cutlery baskets had flip up lids, so if one doesn't want to use the partitions, one can just flip the lids up, and voilá.

I ran it that way for years, but last year or so I decided that some pieces were nesting in a way that wasn't so good, and tried flipping the lids down. With the mods this has worked out fairly well.

YMMV


Post# 1072114 , Reply# 51   5/12/2020 at 10:31 (1,438 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Never got that "Oh I hate loading it piece by piece sentiment" TBH...

No matter which way I turn it, at some point I have to sort the cutlery be it while loading or unloading.

Then I might just as well do it while loading and not risk poor cleaning.
And with a 3rd rack, if I sort cutlery while loading, unloading is a job of seconds since I just grab all of one kind at once and am done.
More hygienic as well since I only touch the handle-side once the cycle is done!



Post# 1072179 , Reply# 52   5/12/2020 at 18:01 (1,438 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)        

I have never used the flip down dividers on any dishwasher we've owned- we just load the silverware randomly, with handles up (eating end down) which puts the business end closer to the spray and ensures I don't touch the surfaces we eat off of while unloading. Silverware facing up is a big no in our house.

Post# 1072278 , Reply# 53   5/13/2020 at 09:34 (1,437 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
Third Rack or Silverware Basket?

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This could certainly turn into one of those wildly debated topics, so I’ll get in ahead of that and add my two cents.  I echo Henrik’s comments about the silverware seems to be cleaner in the third rack vs. the silverware basket and that unloading is a lot faster while only touching the handles.

 

Your gonna sort going in or coming out.  If I take a couple of extra seconds to organize them when I load the third rack, then unloading is a breeze.

 

I think it’s just a personal preference.  I like opening the door a small way and sliding out the top shelf to add a spoon vs. having to open the door the entire way to pull out the bottom rack part of the way to add the spoon.


Post# 1072323 , Reply# 54   5/13/2020 at 14:02 (1,437 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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My 2008 LG turned me into a ‘third rack’ guy for silverware. I was cooking a lot back then and the cutlery rack allowed me to liberate the bottom rack of its large silverware basket permanently. 

 

It wasn’t a matter of which rack provided better cleaning; for me it was all about the real estate gained. As far as speed of loading and unloading flatware, placing the pieces individually never really bothered me.

 

Sigh...God, I loved that LG. Largest capacity of any dishwasher I’ve ever had. Cleaned the grimiest pots and pans superbly. Had a very effective short cycle. Was so quiet...and it had interior lights! Talk about a cheap trick to make the stainless steel interior absolutely gleam, but I loved it. 


Post# 1072389 , Reply# 55   5/13/2020 at 20:45 (1,437 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Well it has never occurred to me to put flatware into the basket business side down. I'd be concerned about nesting occurring which would be less visible and more likely to result in incomplete cleaning. That said, I do place sharp steak knives point down, in the corners of the basket, to minimize possibility of injury from stumbles and falls. I don't put high grade high carbon stainless cutting and slicing knives in the DW.

Perhaps one of these days I'll try flipping up the basket lids and try loading with handles dangling in the breeze. What's the worst that can happen?


Post# 1072456 , Reply# 56   5/14/2020 at 08:27 (1,436 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I have to wash my fine flatware

without the lid, as the tops don't fit through the slots.

Post# 1072472 , Reply# 57   5/14/2020 at 10:01 (1,436 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

Manufacturers over here usually state to load knifes handle up, the rest handle down for better cleaning.

Post# 1072473 , Reply# 58   5/14/2020 at 10:07 (1,436 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio)        
Frigidaire DW Hate

My grandparents have a MOL machine from around 2009. The machine does a decent job, but does require the high temperature wash and sanitize rinse for best performance. They wash (scrub) every dish before they put them in the machine so poor performance isn't an issue. They generally use the Water Miser cycle to just eliminate one of the pre-washes. It is probably ran twice a week and the only thing wrong is the detergent dispenser does not open if you shut it. For about 3 years it was ran daily. Not too bad for a Frigidaire of the time.
As far as a Bosch not performing well, you might want to give that machine a decent cleaning. The Normal cycle on my machine cleans better than the Pots and Pans cycle on my old Point Voyager machine. We almost always use Auto and have great results. It also holds significantly more than the Whirlpool did. Dirty spatulas etc. always are placed in the second rack.
A relative has an older Maytag Jetclean. If I recall correctly, it is a DWU8860. That machine does perform very well. It really is a gem when rinse aid is used. As someone else mentioned, it isn't very loud. However, capacity on the bottom rack is poor and badly organized because of the 'top spray arm'. Otherwise, it is a very good machine.


Post# 1072529 , Reply# 59   5/14/2020 at 17:21 (1,436 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Well I tried loading the flatware basket handles up for everything, and the test run seemed to clean just fine. A side benefit was that this way, without the little grid divisions in the lids, I was able to load my favorite small plastic spatulae flat end down (they just fit). This is good because if I lay them flat on a rack, or try to insert them handle side down, the gap between the handle and the shaft admits water and then it dribbles out when I unload the DW. Of course I was careful not to nest spoons and such, but it looks like this might be the way to go from here on out.

Post# 1072532 , Reply# 60   5/14/2020 at 18:07 (1,436 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
Silverware basket that divides

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Actually, I love this. My 2014 Maytag is the first dishwasher I've had that has the silverware divider. It's great, especially for nesting spoons. I always (being a clean freak) wash my hands before unloading. But I do understand being a clean freak that face down, unloading, and not touching would be a must for some people.

Other things I do after unloading - I wipe down the sides of the door that meet the rubber when closed, the area at the bottom front and the rubber seal with a cleaning rag with bleach water on it. I do the same thing with my FL Duet, wipe that rubber area down. I'm always obsessively trying to keep everything I own looking like new. I probably have some sort of mental disorder. I don't know.


Post# 1072539 , Reply# 61   5/14/2020 at 18:39 (1,436 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Well, although I worked for years doing sterile cell culture type of work, and had that down fairly well, I'm no clean freak. I figure we live in a sea of microbes and complete avoidance of them is not really healthy. Case in point: children born from Caesarian section tend to get asthma. Why? Well, that type of birth is aseptic, and as a result the newborn infant doesn't get exposed to maternal flora and antigens. Then the kid hasn't built up immunity to common antigens and suffers later in life from breathing difficulties from asthma. Strange, I know, but that's what I have read from reputable sources.

Anyway, it's a simple matter to wash ones hands before unloading a dishwasher if there is concern of skin bacteria contaminating pristine just washed flatware. But I'm simply not afraid of that possibility. I tend to be more concerned when the DW malfunctions and doesn't drain dirty water properly and redistributes filth from food deposits that have had some time to grow things, all over the place.

YMMV


Post# 1196905 , Reply# 62   1/10/2024 at 21:03 by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
my experience

I had an experience with a Frigidaire. Never again! It only lasted a year!


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