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Post# 1068132   4/19/2020 at 11:54 (1,460 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

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Post# 1068139 , Reply# 1   4/19/2020 at 12:11 (1,460 days old) by richimaor (Baja California, Mexico)        
AI DD

 I had my eye on a 12kg one, and yesterday when I was about to put the order it just got out of stock... well, it wasn’t meant to be mine haha

Post# 1068142 , Reply# 2   4/19/2020 at 12:44 (1,460 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Wow Henrik!!!!  
Post# 1068154 , Reply# 3   4/19/2020 at 13:58 (1,460 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Post# 1068155 , Reply# 4   4/19/2020 at 14:12 (1,459 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
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Very nice.  Enjoy those.

WK78

 
Post# 1068156 , Reply# 5   4/19/2020 at 14:12 (1,459 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Glenn, that was very thoughtful of you!!!  Thank you.
Post# 1068162 , Reply# 6   4/19/2020 at 14:45 (1,459 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
LG TurboWash 360° washer - F4WV908P2

 So I am in the process of selling the Miele.
Nothing wrong with that machine by any means. Incredibly solid, verry efficent and verry on-brand.



But I am gifted with a verry short attention span.
Gotta get back on medication for that lol.
But seeing a doc is hard atm.




So I was shopping for a washer and was looking at several machines.
Was considering going verry budget, but wanted something quicker.
Was considering a Samsung QuickDrive, but that was to expensive in the end for what I wanted and got this verry well priced, so.

Spoiler alert: This machine isn't the quickest. Not for the reasons one might think.

And since we are facing a re-doing of EU efficency laws and thus machine designs I do not think I will keep this for much more than a year.
Selling machines with warranty left is easier too.

I only had it for 4 or 5 days so verry limited use so far.




The machine itself:

Now, quality is quite a weirdly mixed back on this.

Som places feel so over-enginered.
The door is glass both inside and the front which makes it feel verry upper marekted quality.
The door handle has a faux leather insert on hard padding so opening the door feels more pleasant which is weired as at first I could not figure out why that door feels odd.
Just so out of place.
The door has a verry positiv click when closing, throwing it closed is no issue and over all verry little play.

The drum looks huge (at least the size of my Miele) and it is though the machine is about 5cm (2") less deep.

Suspension feels verry good (3 shocks 2 springs I think) and the drum itself is verry well made, but surely not Miele thick.
The door seel is not on the thickes side but verry well designed.

For one I bought a lighter machine as getting the Miele up 2 flights of stairs is a fight for sure.
It is about 25kg lighter (about 55lbs less) and you definetly hear and feel that when running.

The drawer is rather small and verry light and has one design flaw IMO that LG just refuses to change.
The softner cup is in the back which sounds so much like it wouldn't matter.
But this machines fills through the prewash quite often during a cycle and has a high fill rate.
So if you wanna check if all of your detergent has been flushed in and the machine decides to fill just then all you softner is gone before you can react.

Pump has an emptying pipe, usual plastic flap and filter.

The hoses are rather short, had to get a drain extension.

Leveling this machine was verry easy I have to say. Nice feet, no need to tilt the machine up to get the feet moving.




Technology:

So I went with this machine for several reasons.

First, this machine has downloadable cycles. So more to try out!
Though their app isn't anywhere near as good as the Mieles in terms of remote start and options (can't even change the temp).

Second, this machine has the inverter pumps.
It has a drain and a recirculation pump and both are driven like a variable speed pump in a DW basicly.
The washer has 2 speeds for recirculation from what I can tell so far - slow for heating and such and fast for washing and rinsing.
There might be an intermediate speed but not sure on that yet.

So it has TurboWash360 as well.
That's basicly their new TurboWash generation.
Over here, there were basicly 2 kinds of TurboWash equipped wash systems.
One was the Centum drum design: A free-floating drum in a solid outer tub. These had a normal recirculation pump and the fresh water spray nozzle.
And there was the cheaper TurboWash design with a normal drum and tub unit but with the fresh water spray nozzle.
This is a new addition not replacing either of the previous versions. It has the inverter recirculation but no dedicted spray nozzle for the fresh water. Instead it uses its direct fill spout to shower the tub.
That allows it to have a pretty versatile TurboWash 39 cycle, giving you wash up to 40C (104F) from cold, an extended spray rinse and a deep rinse as well as a 1200rpm spin.

It has LGs AI direct drive which actually seems to be a real thing and not just nonsense? The tub motions do change even with the same cycle depending on load.

And it has its improofed spin package.
Still A-class 44% residual moisture spin at 1400rpm (well technicly 1360rpm).
But it has an additional damper and a new vibration sensor adding to the OOB sensing from the motor.
And so far not let down.
No Miele (washed a single pillow, no chance) but everything else had no distribution delay so far.




Cycles:

So, what have I used so far...

The Cotton cycle got long. A full load at 40C with 4 rinses took just shy of 3 1/2h.
Another full load of thicker materials with TurboWash and extra rinse took 3h still.
Everything below 3/4ths seems to sense to a shorter main wash at 2:50 without or 1:29 with TurboWash.
Lets say the majority of loads so far took 3h or longer.

TurboWash 39 is interesting.
So you can raise it to 60C which adds 18min. Adding steam adds another 19min. Adding and extra rinse adds 11min. Adding a prewash adds 17min. Upping to 1400rpm adds 3min.

The machine still has the ability to perform warm final rinses (previously medic rinse) on some downloaded cycles where it is preset.
Like SkinCare, a cycle I really like since it is Cottons cycle with extra rinse preselected and warm rinse.

I haven't run it yet with a load, but I think mixed will be a more go-to cycle.
Technicly it is limited to a half load, but goes to 1400rpm, is basicly always below 2h and allows any option.
Maybe Easy Care will be a good cycle for veryday stuff too since it goes up to full speed spin as well.

The machine does heat to temp - sometimes even beyond a bit, but dosen't reheat.
Being abled to check the temps mid cycle is really nice!
It even hit 95C on a boil was which was surprising to see.

Rinsing is more than ok.
I was suspicious of the "spray" rinse so after it ran I paused it on a cycle and the front part of the laundry was quite well rinsed from the feel of it.
But there was a distinct difference between the laundry at the front of the drum and the back in terms of how well the spray rinse worked.
The back was more soapy, but still certainly somewhat rinsed.
I guess the rather large drum surface with no holes helps to get water to the back.
So 2 deep rinses and 2 spin rinses are sure as hell enough for most loads.
But what I have to say: Interim spins on Cotton style cycles are intense. Like, we are talking 1200-1250rpm according to machine readout.

Spinning is quick, efficent and I would say on par with the Miele but noise wise completly different than the Miele.
Like not louder, but more in the mids then Mieles quite intense bass makeing it somewhat more annoying.

Steam is just a pretreatment. Only works with 60C cycles, cycles still heat to 60C afterwards like usual, so I don't see much use for it.
Haven't tried steam anticrease yet, will though once I have to do my work shirts again.

Intensive just adds 20-30min to the cycles and I think actually 1 reheat about an hour after first heating finished. For Cottons and derivative cycles that is.



Still pretty happy to have my first matched set.
Well, kinda matched set; the dryer is from the previous generation (plastic door front, different dial, but not much else different; it is labled 64db over the 62db of the new design model).



Feel free to ask questions.

Post# 1068163 , Reply# 7   4/19/2020 at 14:46 (1,459 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Pics rotated

 They were right side up when takeing and posting, but I think the website here rotated them.


Thanks and sorry for that!

Post# 1068165 , Reply# 8   4/19/2020 at 15:01 (1,459 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
lg washer aidd

 Does the lg washer with aidd have a bulk dispenser? What sets it apart from the rest of the lg lineup?

Post# 1068175 , Reply# 9   4/19/2020 at 16:13 (1,459 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
LG DualInverter heatpump dryer - RT8DIH1Q

 So, I sold the AEG already (horrible price though didn't care much).
Verry nice dryer, verry good results - verry much not worth that much.


So I was verry quickly attracted to buying 2 simmilar looking appliances and Samsungs heatpum dryers just didn't cut it on-paper-performance and feature wise which was major push towards that.
And with it being priced basicly like many mid-price A+++ dryers I was intrigued.



Machine:

It has a reversible door, plastic outside and glass inside.
The door actually has 4 door handle recesses at 90° apart and like 45° rotated of 12 o'clock which is kinda smart IMO.
Plastic, cheap feeling and verry shallow yet long condensate tank.

And, well, there isn't much more to it.

Oh, the drum is a steel-aluminium-alloy. Not sure what to think of that, but can't see an issue from that from an engenering standpoint.
Machine is certainly verry light, lighter than the AEG it replaced, thouch it feels way less plasticy.



Technology:

So here it gets interesting.

Of course, WiFi connected with downloadable cycles though selection is limited and a lot of just selling cycles with options as new cycles.

Self-Cleaning condenser. It supposedly has a light showing when it is self cleaning the condenser, but I haven't seen that illuminate yet and it sure as hell has to have self cleaned by now.
The 2 piece filter is nice for such a design.
This self cleaning system appears to be pump powered though with a diverter valve.
Probably more waster pressure, but more to fail.

It is a front-fan design.
The fan is on the front right but far better hidden then on the Bauknecht/Whirlpool back home.
Might help with keeping the condenser less clogged over time, but who knows.


And now the big one: DualInverter technology.

It is common place for A+++ dryers over here to have inverter motors for driving the drum.
This one is no exception and it does vary the drum RPM, but on a far less wide gamut than the AEG did.

Side note here: This dryer is sensor loaded, like really.
You can enter a service menu during the cycle like on the washer and do readouts, but here you press and hold 2 buttons and than the dial allows you to scoll through readouts.
It has like at least 4 temperature sensors I can read out just for drying specific values (I think from what they tend to be value wise I have a NTC for the cold side of the heatpump, one for the hot side, one drum inlet, one drum outlet; there is another value that looks like a tempterature that should be for laundry and that I think might be a calculated temperature value for the laundry itself, not sure though; then there is one value that I guess might be sensor on one of the boards).
You can read out the motor rpm (it is 2-digit and I have seen it at 28, 30 and 31 so far which I think might be a *100 thing as I think 2800-3100rpm seems about what you would want your fan to turn at).
And you can read out what I guess is resistance sensing (it is avlue that starts at the mid 60s often and goes up to a max of 220 when cupboard dry is reached).



But the major thing is the second inverter.
What is that used for?

Well, to understand that you have to know heatpumps.
A heatpump is system using a compressor to move heat from one heat exchanger to another heat exchanger so you get a hot side and a cold side.
Same thing as in an AC or a fridge.

In dryers the cold side is used to cool the air in the dryer, condensing moisture out of the air.
You know that effect from the cold side of an AC the can freeze over with water on verry humid days.

The now verry dry but cool air is passed over the hot side.
Here it is heated with the energy the heatpump just extracted from it again.

There is no active heating per se; the temperature in dryer gradualy rises as most heat is kept in the dryer but water is removed. Less mass, same energy means higher temperature.
The work and heat from the compressor add a bit of heat as well, but verry little.

Overall, you can save 50-70% of energy over a vented dryer while drying at verry low temperatures (this dryer tops out at 55C, or about 130F or so.

Drawback is that especially with partial loads you can often espect a time increase.
Over here with low-power vented dryers and verry high spin speeds the difference at the beginning were up to a doubleing in time sometimes.
Today the time difference is often not verry significant, most loads I dry are done in 90min.
In the US that however is different. The dryers are just about as efficent, but if a vented dryer just takes 1h and the heatpump dryer can take double or tripple that the difference is significant. And with natural gas dryers for now, they aren't verry usefull yet.



However, there is one little conundrum.

Now, on a vented or condenser dryer with a heater, even if the heater is switched of, the dryer still drys as it dosen't rely on its heat source for removing moisture from the dryer.
On a condenser dryer, the condenser still condenses even if the heater is off.
A vented dryer still vents if the heater is off.
Thus - especially with dryers with heating elements with several sections and thus several wattages - balancing speed and temperatures is verry easy.
Just cycle heaters and change element sections.

On a heatpump dryer, you can turn off the heatpump, but then you can't extract moisture from the load.
A normal heatpump can't varry the speed it runs at (thus can't vary its power output) due to the designs needs of the motor that is running the compressors (high starting torque, verrly litte wear particulate like carbon dust, compact form factor and little chance of sparks and such due to an oily enviroment).
So, the heatpump has to run NONSTOP from start to finish to dry the load with just one wattage.



This means heatpumps are usually sized so they fit any part of the cycle about equally well.
But they don't you know?

At the begining, depending on what approach you go, you either need a high heat output to get the temperature up quickly to speed up drying (speed is the focus) or you need verry little condensing power since the load puts out not verry much moisture (economy is the focus).
Then as the temperature increases you need more power to condense out all the water.
But towards the end for the last bit of drying the moisture output of the clothing goes down thus you need less power, otherwise the temperature can spike or the condenser could freeze over.

A single speed heatpump is usually sized so the middle section of that process is optimized, but it usually results in a loud buzzing towards the end of the cycle (to little water in the drying air to be condensed with a hot heatpump resultls in to little of the refrigirant being pressent as liquid at the compressor) and longer then needed cycle times (long time to break that magic 40-45C barrier where drying effectivness suddenly spikes up; it's a feedback loop that starts to really show around there).



An inverter heatpump changes that.

Inverter driven motors have the huge advantage of being abled to do a lot with the motor.
They can deliver high starting torque with verry precise rpm control on a brushless, basicly wear-less motor design.
Thus they are being used in a lot of appliances for any motor application in general.

Only downside: They are what is considered power electronics as they have to switch verry high loads verry quickly.
A washer motor with smooth pickup rarely needs more than 400W of power, and in normal operation often only hovers around 200W.
A dryer motor running both fan and drum over here are often between 100-150W.
This heatpump here for a dryer has to offer at least up to 800W over a couple of dozens of minutes to have an advantage over a single speed heatpump dryerspeed wise.
That makes the control for that pretty pricey by todays standards.




But: It pays off, so much.

The service readout displays compressor rpm as a 2 digit number.
I guess that it does not in fact mean a factor of *100 here, but more likely a factor of *10.

When the heatpump starts of, it goes to a speed of 35 verry quickly over maybe 10 or so seconds.
Then it starts its slow scroll up over a matter of a couple minutes.
I guess this is to equalize pressure differences to what they are supposed to be round about since it often scrolls down the speed again pretty soon.

On eco, this is capped at 45. Period. After it reaches that, at some point it slowly scrolls down to as little as 25.
And then it drys at that heatoutput, hovering between 45 and 25 as it thinks needs be, depending on I guess the temperature of the cold side of the heatpump.

On the same cycle (Cottons) with speed it keeps scrolling up, and up, and up.
Highest I read out there was 80 I think.
Then it settles down, and still goes pretty low towards the end of the cycle, but usually is between 35 and 55 for the majority.

On the AllergyCare cycle it just goes to 90 (which I think is its highest speed - and 9000rpm seems somewhat high for how quiet it runs even there, though the heatpump is certainly audible at those higher speeds - so I guess it is 900rpm? no clue) and stays there until it reaches 55C at the inlet.
And then it just keeps 55C to 57C on the inlet until the outlet temp is around the same temperature.
Then it time drys to maintain 55C in the laundry for like 30min.
No care about energy usage there.

The heatpump never runs dry, never runs to slow.

Cycle times on Eco are barely 2h long after the high speed spin, on Speed they are maybe 90min.



And everything is dry.
Synthetics less so - but any sensor dryer I know suffered from that.
Extra Dry runs the last timed intervall with verry low compressor rpm, resulting in really dry clothes that do not feel a touch hotter than on cupboard dry.

This also allows for verry good fabric care.
The mix cycle that AEG trys to mimic with their cycling heatpump on the dryer I had before was verry good with synthetic cottons mixed loads.
This one is just as good. Just that it takes 30min less.
It dials down the drying as the synthetics get dry so the cottons can slowly dry while keeping the synthetics from overdrying by moisture transfer.

The dryer also reverses verry nicely - on eco rarely, on speed rarely, on beddings quite often, when it senses tangeling, when it starts the cooldown.
No tangeling with any load including my bedding so far.






That was long story.
But there is verry compact TL;DR for EU people:


The most sold heatpump dryer design in the EU is the BSH design.

That dosen't revese, often has condensing efficeny B, has - depending on model - the same cycle times as this one, same capacity, same self cleaning condenser.
Overall, pretty simmilar machine.

Except these dryers don't really dry verry well IMO.
They are good for like towels - verry good actually.
Cupboard dry isn't dry - here it is.
Forget drying bedding in those.
The Mixed cycle is ok - but nothing to write home about.
Temperatures are by far not as low as here.
The SelfCleaning barely works and often cloggs. If it does here is questionable, but it can't be worse I would say.

And reparability on heatpump dryers is usually not really a thing sadly.
Like any service call on both dryers will set you back about 300€, period.

And both are usually to be had 650€.
Heck, the plastic front model is 500€ currently.

So why the BSH machines when you can have this?

Post# 1068194 , Reply# 10   4/19/2020 at 18:21 (1,459 days old) by Aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Why have BSH?

It’s funny that I have one of these dryers and have done for 4 years with no issues. Not one that you mention.

Bedding does not tangle. If it does your drying one set at a time. These dryers work best with acfull load of bedding. No tangling. No problem.

As for clogging self clean systems. That’s purely down to user error. A Bosch engineer explained that to me.

Users don’t empty the tank - It fills 2/3 up on the first load. They set the next dry cycle. It runs halfway. Tank fills. Cycle aborts. Consumer empties it. Starts programme again. Self clean cycle Starts 8 minutes before end of programme , didn’t have enough water. No flushing. Blocks.

User error cycle repeats.

The manual clearly states to empty the tank after each use at the end of your drying programme.
Then there’s those only drying poxy small loads and empty it constantly. Same thing.









Post# 1068200 , Reply# 11   4/19/2020 at 18:36 (1,459 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        
Heats one time

 I think I read that your LG washer heats the water one time. Is that correct? Is every program like that? If so, since the programs are in the 2 to 3-hour range doesn't that mean the water and clothes can cool down to cold before the end of a wash?

Post# 1068209 , Reply# 12   4/19/2020 at 19:08 (1,459 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I have had a BSH dryer (actually 2 - one normal condenser and a heatpump version) and the amount of sets of bedding did not matter. Not in the slightest.
Sizeing of the bedding didn't either, be it 100cm width sheets, 140cm or 160cm. Be it normal duvet cover size or larger.
Material did, some heavier items dried fine, thiner items tended to tangle more.


And that's where it kind of starts.
So, I can't dry single sets of bedding? But what if I have only a single set?
Or worse yet: What if I dry a blanket?
I can't dry several small loads in sequence?
I should empty the container after every cycle - except when I shouldn't?




That "the cycle interupts if they didn't empty it" yada yada yada also is not really a valid point.

If the tank was almost full and the cycle was started with a large load it should collect enough water after an interuption to properly rinse still.
If it was interupted late in the cycle with a large load it should have rinsed once already (IIRC there was always a rinse as iron dry was reached).

With a small load - no matter what - I am screwed.

So this dryer is good for one thing: Drying full loads of laundry.



Another thing I heared in the defense of that: People use fabric softener which causes the fluff to stick to the condenser!

So, well technicly yes fabric softner can be transfered onto the heat exchanger to coat it and yes that can stick onto that.

But that shouldn't happen in the time if a drying cycle. It should still be washed away if done by time - which the machine does.
That is the idea of a self cleaning system so it cleans expected deposits.
A self cleaning oven can't get away with that...



Other thing: Pet hairs cause clogging!

Well, so pet owners are screwed. So why don't you warn them your system can't cope with pet hair?
Why does pet hair even get there?



On the topic of tangeling: You are over-/under-/wrongly loading your dryer!

Well, maybe for this machine.
But still, why do I have to care with this dryer and not with other dryers?

Just because you can avoid it by being verry verry carefull it dosen't mean you should have tonactively avoid it.
Why do I have to change for that machine - which btw is supposed to reduce the amount of care I have to take - if I don't have to for all these other options?


You need to dry full loads!

Yeah, again, why do I have to with this one and don't have to with others?



And the clogging of the condenser and condensate pump was purely down to user error?
So that is why they itterated on their filters, pumps and SelfClean system several times and still have not settled on a system to date?
Issues got fewer, yes, but like they took a decade?
As one of the longest selling HP dryer manufacturers out there?
Not like AEG, Arcrelik, Miele, Gorenje, Samsung and Whirlpool/Hotpoint have basicly settled on one standard of filtration for the past 4 or 5 years...




I mean, yeah they are fine dryers.

For one thing.

Full loads.

Post# 1068211 , Reply# 13   4/19/2020 at 19:18 (1,459 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
@jerrod6

 So, yeah, I was somewhat confused by that as well.

The washer is in my bathroom which is about 20-22C, so about 68-72F.



On the boilwashes the temperature quickly dropped by like 10-20C (20-40F) in like 10min.
On the 60C (140F) cycle the temperature dropped significantly as well.

But somewhere around 50C (120F) the decend decreased dramaticly.


The 60C I ran today clocked in at 4ish hours (keep in mind 1:40h was just rinsing and spinning there), just around the 2h mark I checked and the temp read as 43C which is low but still ok.
That is from 140F to like 110F in maybe 90min I would guess.



The 40C Cotton actually heated to 45C (like 115F) and finished at about 37C (that should be 95F or there abouts).

From what I can tell some options do add a reheat but I can't say which.


I only have like 10 loads so far, so I will keep watching that to see how temps are behaving.

Post# 1083720 , Reply# 14   8/3/2020 at 09:10 (1,354 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
A few months in

 So, a lot of good, a lot of bad.

Have a service appointment scheduled for Thursday which I already know will not be any help.




First, the dryer.

It's good, really.
Not amazing like the AEG before it, but good.

The inverter heatpump really does something.
Runs anywhere from "24" to "95" (which I assume means hundreds of rpm, so between 2400 and 9500 rpm).

And the dryer does have a really spot on sensing system.
Seems to account for conductivity and temperature differences from both drum intake and outake as well as heat exchanger.
So really nice.

Tangles bedding sometimes, but not majorly as long as you do not overload it.

But it is really not all that quiet or fast, even on the time saver setting.
Hence I mostly use the Eco setting.




The washer - well yeah.

It washes fine, it rinses surprisingly good and is reasonably quiet.

The DC pumps are really the next big thing IMO.
It's just such a big differece.
If you don't have the washer sitting next to basicly any room you live in you probably won't care.
But damn they run smooth.
Unless the recirc pump cavitates, but more on that later.



But damn does it overpromise and underdeliver.


It is just slow.
Not with distributing - it is actually a pretty decent spinner tbh.

But no matter the load the cotton cycles with no options take 2:49h upwards at 40C.
And there isn't even much sensing: It's 2:49 or 2:59.

Now you'd think TurboWash would change that.
And it often defaults to 1:29h on that, yeah.
But it only rinses once.

So you'd think adding the extra rinse option woul bump that up to like 1:44 or so and give you 2 rinses - which would be awesome.

But no: No matter which option you add ontop of TurboWash immediatly cancels any effect TurboWash has on the main wash.
It immediatly reverts to the normal main wash pattern on ANY cycle.

Furthermore: The main wash sometimes actually gets longer.
Same load:
Cottons 40C with no options: 2:59h.
Cottons 40C with TurboWash and Extra Rinse: 2:49h.
Mainwash is actually about 15min longer on the latter.



But that's not all:

So I am basicly certain that AIDD is basicly just their version of Mieles PowerWash 2.0 for Germany.
Just done worse.

So, no matter the load size, the water level on the cottons main wash is low.
Like really low.

Sometimes it is like 3mm in the drum.
Which is obscenly low.
But hey, it has recirculation, right?

Well, yeah, except that if the load is really full it doesn't fucking use it anymore.

And that as soon as there is any sudsing it cavitates.
And man does that pump get loud when that happens.

Oh, and, sometimes, it dosen't properly saturate the load before it heats.
Which means that with items that don't readily exchange water - like jeans or absorbent material - the water level is actually below the drum when it heats.

As it dosen't properly recirculate the load isn't sprayed with water that is being heated thus the load gets barely hand warm before the washer decides it is done with heating.

Meaning I get a 2h main wash with water below 30C even when set a 40C.

And I can't really select intensive.
I mean that option helps - but I don't need 2:30h of main washing on my lightly soild jeans.



Now one of the downloadable cycles is called 60min wash - but it takes 1:29 or longer.
Since it is just cottons turbo wash.
With extra rinse or such we are back at nearly 3h.

TurboWash 39 dosen't allow for intensive thus always just has 20min of main wash tops which is to short again.

Mixeds goes to 40min main wash with intensive. Which is fine for some loads I guess.

Thing is there is just no reasonable main wash for normaly soiled loads.
It's either sub 1h or north of 2h.



Oh, and now the fun things: Pre Wash is basicly USELESS.

No matter the cycle, no matter the load:
As soon as you load more than 2kg of laundry - and even then sometimes - the pre wash water level is below the drum.
With no recirculation.
And it heats.

Don't get me wrong, the heater is covered, but there is no water in the drum, just the tub.

The laundry is wet - but barely.
Except if the drum is actually full, then the load isn't even fully saturated.

And stays cold.

So all it does is wet down the laundry, heat some water that has no contact to the laundry to 40C and then drain and spin after 10min.






I contacted LG support.

First they didn't want to send a technician.

Then they escalated the matter to quality ensurance.

Which scheduled a service tech to check the inlet valve - which is kind of stupid since I clearly told them that it was not that.

The washer fills fine if it wants to.
It just dosen't want to.


My hope is to either sell the set on soon or to make the LG team either let me return the washer or have it exchanged to another model.
Or to make them issue a software update that adresses these issues since they are all just plain programming mishaps.

You can judge for yourself what you think is most likely.




So can I recomend either?

Not really.

The dryer is decent, but neither performance nor quality wise it is on par with the AEG that cost about the same.

The washer has so many flaws that I can't recomend it at all no matter the price point.

Post# 1083732 , Reply# 15   8/3/2020 at 09:59 (1,354 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Thanks for the update - it's always good to hear feedback from people who do more than "press play".

So, I guess I'll continue recommending the F14WM7EN0 for those who want a cheap washer. Other than that, I'm only mentioning LG (or Samsung) when it comes to refrigeration. Well, and maybe Samsung microwaves.

Post# 1083738 , Reply# 16   8/3/2020 at 10:15 (1,354 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
My gym has LG's

 No complaints from them. What does dual invertor mean?

Post# 1083742 , Reply# 17   8/3/2020 at 10:36 (1,354 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

Somehow, and I don't know how, I managed to miss this thread these past few months.


That LG washing machine would seriously do my head in. I think any programme lasting more than 2hrs is dreadful and enough to put me off the machine.

As for the rinsing, the user should be able to select a proper rinse, not one of the mickey-mouse sprays. What are detergent allergy sufferers supposed to do in that case?

Three millimetres of water in the drum is ridiculous, and as you say, the recirculation pump should surely be used. If the clothes aren't properly cushioned they're bound to wear out quicker.

Does this machine produce lint in the wash or around the door seal folds?

Sounds as though the Miele was a much better bet.

Thanks for the review, it seems that LG have lost the plot. Another brand not to consider.

Post# 1083745 , Reply# 18   8/3/2020 at 10:52 (1,354 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

@Loreality

Honestly, I would avoid LG all together.

While far less advanced, I would bet on a Beko any day over even the basic LGs.

My mum needed a new washer last month after the Bauknecht quit and I got her a 1600rpm dirt cheap Beko (was like less than 320€ with extended warranty due to some awesome deals) and while that machine has no real load sensing and several really annoying quirks, even while not on offer, it is cheaper than the LG, quicker, has an inverter motor just as well and rinses just as well.



On the other hand, honestly, I was considering replacing this with a QuickDrive Samsung.

They appear to be significantly better in terms of perfomance.

Though no recirculation...




@rolls_rapide

There are pretty good cycles around the 2h mark.
Mixed is pretty decent.

But there is just no cottons cycle that fits my needs.

One of the reasons I sold the Miele (besides being bored of it) was the cycle selection as well.

I could get a 40min main wash on Cottons 40, or 1:30h. Nothing between.
There was just no cycle that just washed for about an hour and still spun at full speed.

And why it was high quality, for the price, it really had nothing really amazing going for it.

And load sensing wasn't really great either: Either full wash or shortend, nothing between.



And yeah I had one or 2 cycles where the LG put significant wear on clothing.

But the low water levels aren't really that big of an issue as long as you load the washer reasonably.

The thing is that the Miele at least used some water when the tub was full, this one does not.
So packing to capacity was meh in the Miele, here it is a no-go.



On partial loads, both washed with basicly no water in the drum and both wear out laundry about the same with simmilar wash times.

Thing again is that 2h of pure main wash is overkill for a normaly soild cottons load of only like 6 or 7 sweatpants or such.


And it rinses great - unless you want quick washing.
You can get warm final rinses and up to 5 rinses through some downloadable cycles - if you are willing to wait hours.

Even the normal cotton cycles rinses 3 times with decent water levels.
So long you do not load more than 6kg of laundry.
And you can wait 3h.
Or 3:15 if you want 4 rinses.

Post# 1083749 , Reply# 19   8/3/2020 at 11:37 (1,354 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
cycle programs

 What are the cycle programs available on this pair?

Post# 1083758 , Reply# 20   8/3/2020 at 12:42 (1,354 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        
Dryer

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What's your verdict on the self-cleaning dryer? Do you find it works? Have you been able to get a look at the condenser?

We have one of them at the store. Haven't sold (or recommended) it once. Don't know, but when I first opened it after it probably stood in the store for a while, the inside smelled kinds moldy. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Post# 1083773 , Reply# 21   8/3/2020 at 14:23 (1,353 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

It's a front fan dryer, so no way to get at the condenser without major disassembly.


Honestly don't know.

Performance is decent, certainly better than some.
If the self cleaning works I can't say, but the filters are pretty good and drying times are constant as long as you clean the filters.



These dryers however are obscenly deep (66cm), kinda noisy compared to simmilar priced dryers and the shiny non-textured drum looks kinda dented quite fast.

Post# 1083950 , Reply# 22   8/5/2020 at 06:31 (1,352 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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I see. I thought you could stick your hand down the front airpath and snap a picture. I've seen a YouTuber do this with his Bosch dryer during cleaning.

Any idea what you'd replace them with?

Post# 1083971 , Reply# 23   8/5/2020 at 09:36 (1,352 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Don't judge me

 The new Bauknecht line speaks to me TBH.
Never had a Hotpoint Indesit machine...

Or slim depth Beko set.
I could get a 50cm deep stack from them which would make a huge difference in my tiny bathroom.
Dryer would be A+ only though, but I got a 220€ cashback from my electricity company because I was pretty efficient for the past months.

Post# 1084083 , Reply# 24   8/6/2020 at 06:14 (1,351 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
The new Bauknecht line speaks to me

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Well, f___ my p___ with a rake, mom. X-D

I mean, someone's gotta try them.

To be honest, I find it hard to chose a washer these days. Either I'm not a fan of the brand, or the they are really expensive (Miele, Schulthess, V-Zug, or maybe Asko). And in the case of the last three: not even availabe here. So it would be BSH for me.

Post# 1084085 , Reply# 25   8/6/2020 at 06:52 (1,351 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
"the inside smelled kind of mouldy."

 Ah... I wonder if it'll suffer the same fate as car air-conditioning matrices, where a foosty odour occurs?


As much as I admire the efficiency of heatpump machines, a build up of mould/mouldy smell would seriously annoy me. At least a conventional condenser machine is easier to clean and dismantle.

Post# 1084088 , Reply# 26   8/6/2020 at 07:00 (1,351 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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The funky smelling one hadn't even been used (maybe at the factory).

Post# 1084094 , Reply# 27   8/6/2020 at 07:48 (1,351 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        

I've heared of that happening with heatpump dryers. Had 2 customers at work complain, some people online.

But we never experienced that.



If what you are putting in is clean, the dryer will stay clean.


Dunno, but my head mostly associates that with the wet-towel-smell-syndrome.

If your towels smell clean while dry but funky while damp you have dirty towels.

Had a family friend complain about that.
Told them to wash their towels at 60C or above every now and then.
They didn't believe me.
They did it.
They believed me.






Alex: Luckily I'm not a virgo and can drive, but maybe saggitari can't make good purchasing decissions...


I'd either be getting them ensured or have them sold on within the warranty, so longevity honestly dosen't matter.

And they have all I need: Extra rinse and prewash options, at least 1 reasonable cottons cycle and high spin.

Post# 1084097 , Reply# 28   8/6/2020 at 08:21 (1,351 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
"Bedding does not tangle"

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Too funny! We all have different experiences with similar machines, that's how it always is. But my experience with bedding is totally different. Earlier this week I put two duvets a few pillow cases and two fitted sheets into the dryer to have it tumbled for 20 minutes to get the creases out before hanging the bedlinens outside.

After 15 minutes I heard a banging sound coming from my Siemens dryer. The bed linens were all bundled up in one of the duvet covers and the opening of that cover was tied into a knot. It took quite an effort to get that still wet ball untangled. This is not the first time I had bed linen tangled, but before it was not as bad as this time.

My Siemens heat pump dryer is 2 years old and has that "thing" in the drum to prevent tangling. Yeah right!

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Post# 1084098 , Reply# 29   8/6/2020 at 08:23 (1,351 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Bauknecht

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Oh Henrik, you're being very brave! lol

Post# 1084099 , Reply# 30   8/6/2020 at 09:06 (1,351 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Best for tangle free drying

 Still hands down was the AEG.

Even when overloaded with bedding it would dry end to end through and through.
Would take some time, and would be creased. But dry.



Wish Miele would have kept the TwinPower design for household dryers.
Beautiful and only true way to get perfect tangle free results.
Also made for verry smooth operation.

Honestly, if Haier would go along and launch their last year's IFA dryers with the 1:1 reverse I would almost be tempted to try that dryer.

But never a Haier wash.
Probably...

Post# 1084161 , Reply# 31   8/6/2020 at 21:38 (1,350 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia)        
Twin Power

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This is why I gave my T1 dryer to my mum and kept the T8929WP with the twin power system. You can't beat it for drying bedding or anything else for that matter. It is also faster than the T1. I did notice that the new T1 heat pump dryers which use R290 gas are faster and comparable in time with my one, but I still wouldn't swap it. I have a W1 washer and like it but still have the W5965 which I may hook up again and use.


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