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Post# 1069126   4/24/2020 at 22:47 (1,456 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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The official cause finally revealed in newly released NERC PDFs;



Astoria: www.nerc.com/pa/rrm/ea/Le...

West 65th st: www.nerc.com/pa/rrm/ea/Le...

Great reads, absolutely loved them.

Good lessons on avoiding common mode failure and double checking wiring thoroughly.





Post# 1069127 , Reply# 1   4/24/2020 at 22:54 (1,456 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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If anyone has questions I'm willing to answer them.

Post# 1069146 , Reply# 2   4/25/2020 at 07:39 (1,455 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Never having been privilege to the exact workings of power transmission and distribution, nonetheless can deduce the dynamics to which the unfamiliar terminology refers.  At former address (Euless TX) we had consistent/persistent outages in the 3-hour range.  I asked the utility for this kind of data.  All they sent was an incomplete/inaccurate spreadsheet down to which feeders were open.  Like it was either an embarrassment to them or some kind of national security secret.

 

FAASScinating.  As HAL explained in 2001, "This kind of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error".  Unlike in early-season Saturday Night Live spoof of 3 Mile Island, electricity is not just sent to your house to make toast.  The amount of power involved is well capable of destroying the equipment handling it.  Most conceivable fault/error conditions are anticipated and sensing/safety devices installed to interrupt power before the house burns down.  Like the breakers in your house only HUGE, networked, triple redundant.

 

The added complication also unfort'ly adds opportunity for failure.  Many/most of those potential failures are also anticipated and safeguarded, but it is not possible to map EVERY possible sequence of events.  When this kind of thing happens, like in aircraft crashes, they are analyzed in minute detail for the purpose of future prevention.  Thus "the grid" is as reliable as it is, despite being operated somewhat equivalent to driving your car almost as fast as it will go for hours at a time, day in and day out.

 

Give these PDFs a patient, redundant read.  Knowing what many here know of sequential control, you'll be able to make more sense of them than at first glance.

 

 


Post# 1069164 , Reply# 3   4/25/2020 at 09:44 (1,455 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Thanks

I disagree on the car analogy, T&D systems encounter peaks and troughs varying in magnitude based on the season, with the heaviest load being only on several of the hottest days of the year. In those cases the system is often near the maximum limits, only allowing for N-1 and N-1-1 contingencies often times. Typically the system is running below thermal limits most of the time. Although there are periods during the spring and fall when load is light where equipment outages are scheduled making the system more vulnerable than would otherwise be.

Protection on the bulk power system (BPS) is usually doubled with two relays per HV device (transmission line, transformer, cap bank, ect) being protected each fed from its own 125 volt DC battery bank. Each relay has its own trip circuit connected to its own dedicated trip solenoid in the breaker(s). Typically each relay is from a different manufacturer or in the very least a different make and model.

The thing about Astoria is that they used the same multiplexers on both the primary and secondary protection in all 3 interconnected substations. So they all had the same failure mode.

Step distance protection would have been the last resort, but that requires a proper 3 phase voltage input which was lost from the CCVT (voltage sensing transformer) failing in the first place.


Post# 1069191 , Reply# 4   4/25/2020 at 10:57 (1,455 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Car being only a coarse analogy.  That the system sometimes is going 'as fast as it can go' is derived from the times the utility comes on TV and begs us to reduce AC demand, or cycles us on and off.  Analogy breaks down in that, yes, that's nowhere near 'all the time'.  Still, it does happen and dependent on  weather extremes, with some regularity.  The system has to cut back to save itself.  The analogy is strong inasmuch as, if any underlying weakness exists in your car, operating it to its limit is more likely to reveal that weakness. 

 

These 2 particular failures were NOT caused by operating the system at or near its limit.  They were more like, you're driving along at 35mph and your cam belt breaks.  What happens next depends on engine design.  You either need a new cam belt ($1000 installed) or a whole new engine ($6000 installed).

 

Not to confuse anyone by drawing these analogies closer to familiar items, but to provide some context for understanding what to most would be about as alien as how flying saucers work. 

 

Somehow escaped an edit, was 'thanks Chet' for providing this.  And if/when I misstate, by all means straighten me out.  You know this stuff.  I can only about 3/5ths follow it.


Post# 1069204 , Reply# 5   4/25/2020 at 11:23 (1,455 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Agreed. Failures tend to show up when things are pushed to their design limits. Con Edison networks are notorious for proving that- cables burn up on the hottest days necessitating voltage reduction or shedding load...



Yup- this was failure of the protection system to remove a short circuited device. Equipment fails semi often. On any given day a country like the US will see at least one power system component fail. Small pole mounted transformers can be about dozen a day during heat waves. Often times we don't notice it- or at most just see a brief blink of the lights- unaware that a transmission line or transformer the size of a house just tripped out. Breakers open and isolate the device in about 1/20th of a second and the redundancy/replication of the grid takes over for the now missing segments.

If curious here is what a 138,000 volt CCVT looks like along with its nameplate:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Capacitor-Volta...

These takes transmission level voltages and step them down to about 120 volts for protective relays and grid monitoring- the remote voltage readings grid operators see in their control room is taken from these devices.



Post# 1069221 , Reply# 6   4/25/2020 at 12:16 (1,455 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Right there is a component I didn't know existed, much less that under ideal configurations it can reveal that it is failing before it actually does.

 

That's part of what I mean by "FAASScinating" [Leonard Nimoy's most exaggerated delivery].


Post# 1069330 , Reply# 7   4/25/2020 at 23:35 (1,455 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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I think so too- its really cool that it was giving odd voltage readings before it failed- possibly (guessing) due to shorts in the strings but I can only make bets.

The top part is literally a stack of capacitors. If you tap that stack in the right location you get your desired voltage. That voltage is then fed into a small iron core reactor in the unit to offset the phase shaft of the capacitors (leading power factor off set with a lagging power factor), then into a classical two winding transformer where 5kv goes down to 120 volts leaving over to the relay house in the station yard.


Post# 1069366 , Reply# 8   4/26/2020 at 07:06 (1,454 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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My field was videotape.  Few voltages over 80VDC and none over 240VAC.  Power T&D is a whole 'nother world.  The crossovers are instrumentation/metrology, feedback, control.  Or I'd be pretty much lost.

 

Dad was apparatus sales engr/mgr for Westinghouse.  But he wasn't so much a talker at home.  More a yeller.


Post# 1069386 , Reply# 9   4/26/2020 at 09:06 (1,454 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Yup. Meteorology plays a huge role- everywhere from load forecasting in real time to outages from lighting strikes and fallen trees.

Post# 1069448 , Reply# 10   4/26/2020 at 20:14 (1,454 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Meteor- and metr-.  Metr- being measurement.  Like the capacitive transformer.  In NTSC video we measured primarily in quarter cycles of 3.579545 MHz, which for mechanical parts can be counted down to horizontal or vertical rates. 

 

Early machines had to wait 16ms to measure vertical rate error and generate a correction, then another 16ms to see the result of the correction.  The result was overshoot and hunting.  From startup it took the machine ~5sec to sync to reference.

 

With the practical advent of digital logic (ca. 1974) it became possible to perform that vertical correction example in terms of horizontal rate or 64µs.  That is, the correction became a predicted ramp incremented at H rate and the next vertical sample error would be at or near zero.  Sync time now became 200ms worst case, 50ms nominal, a performance increase of 100x in a time-critical application.

 

In practice, the correction ramp was updated at capstan optical tach rate, ~3KHz or every 5 horizontal increments.  The capstan being the mechanical timing element for vertical rate.  Full lockup included horizontal timing and a similar method was applied to the rotary transducer (headwheel).


Post# 1069481 , Reply# 11   4/26/2020 at 23:50 (1,454 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Sounds like you had all the fun!

What exactly where you measuring in the atmosphere? I only know how to interpret the end result lol.


Post# 1069505 , Reply# 12   4/27/2020 at 06:12 (1,453 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Just the metrology, principally measuring/correcting timing/positional errors in electromechanics.  Broadcast video is a pretty-well controlled environment.

 

Having this many closed loop mechanical systems in one machine made for some very entertaining times.  Whether watching it work or watching it fail and figuring out why.  This machine was so precisely constructed that most subassemblies could be removed and replaced exactly back where they belonged with 2 or 4 allen bolts.

 

Lotta useless knowledge now, broadcast today employs no user-serviceable moving parts.  BOOOOR-ing. 

 

Link is to a video of the machine sequencing short segments from various angles.  It rewound/replaced the played tape exactly where it found it, loaded and cued the next one in 7 seconds.  That carrousel that holds the cassettes could literally take your arm off if you got in the way.

 

Videography not the best.  And it was pretty inadvisable to shine bright lights inside it while it was running, as many of the sense elements were optical.  The operational sounds it made are downright musical.  The machine and I were each other's best friends.



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Post# 1069506 , Reply# 13   4/27/2020 at 06:49 (1,453 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Have seen one of these machines-but it wasn't running at the time I saw it.The video is excellent-shows how the machine works.I was in the Wash DC area at the time-70-80'sOnly one station had the Ampex machine.The others used RCA ones.I mostly worked on transmitters.Still do today-but not TV,FM or AM transmitters-now Short Wave broadcast.These are larger and more powerful-but work the same way.I to love electromechanical gear-You can watch it and get an idea how it works-helpful if it breaks.And the parts were easily replaced and alighned.Digital stuff has me lost!!!!

Post# 1069507 , Reply# 14   4/27/2020 at 06:53 (1,453 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Shing lights in gear-3 or our transmitters have optical arc sensors.If you shine a white light into the RF power amp compartments the Tx goes to low power or even shuts down.Shine a GREEN light into it-your OK.Use the green light to make sure the vapor cooling for the RF power amp tube is not boiling too much.If so steam leak-arcs-TX goes down.The photocell is not affected by a green light.Red,White,blue trips the arc sensors.

Post# 1069523 , Reply# 15   4/27/2020 at 08:48 (1,453 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Only one station had the Ampex machine.The others used RCA

Many markets were like that.  The Ampex machine cost about twice what the RCA cost.  It was much faster, smoother and more versatile but 'most' stations just wanted 'a cart machine' and beyond that they didn't care. 

 

I went to work at NBC-OKC precisely because they were an Ampex house.  We had 4 generations of Ampex 2" recorders, from the first transistor model to these digital ones to the next digital one (AVR-3) and from there 1-inch was taking over, largely because the tape cost less than half as much.  I knew all of them inside and out, as well as 3 generations of audio machines, switchers and effects boxes, all the associated Tektronix instrumentation.  The transmitter guy did only that, couldn't fix a monitor.  Fine by me.


Post# 1069636 , Reply# 16   4/28/2020 at 00:57 (1,453 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I have done Ampex,Scully,Studer,and ITC cart and RR audio decks.At the VOA Wash DC plant.The TV division handles the Video gear at the time I was working in DC.Now its mostly digital audio and video-again lost me there.At home with the transmitters in Greenville,NC.Makes sense the Ampex gear is more expensive than RCA.Most of the stations had RCA transmitters.Two had Harris-Gates.Can work on any of them.Digital transmitters are still transmitters-but no more tubes.They are solid state.The RF power modules are not repaired in the field.Sent back to the transmitter company for rebuild.You the engineer just replace them in the transmitter-and of course hope for the best.The SS transmitters today are just a cabinet with large blowers or fans in it to cool the modules and their power supplies.The base of the RF power cabinets contain two power supplies that convert 480V 3 ph to 48V reg DC!The exciter cabs run on 24V DC.It still ends up as RF just the same.For digital-no separate audio transmitter.The audio is encoded in the bitstream and modulates the RF stages.Mainly UHF.

Post# 1069651 , Reply# 17   4/28/2020 at 06:14 (1,452 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Power is 10:1 step DOWN?  That's not how we used to do it, is it?  Station got SS Larcan (VHF 4) just before I left.  I had some idea what went on in the old RCAs.  No idea what goes on in SS.  Or digital.  Pay me $60K and I might care.

 

Ampex was not ALL genius.  Here's a dirty story about VR 1100/ VR 2000, the ones there were the most of.  You could spend all day or all week aligning the servos and the machine still wouldn't lock full V&H on any tape but its own.  Everyplace I worked had at least one machine with this problem.

 

Turns out they had specified the capstan to a very tight tolerance.  BUT the motor and flywheel pulleys had just as much to do with tape speed and their tolerances were 'generous'.  If the pulley tolerances stacked, the velocity loop would go all the way to end of range, leaving nothing for the phase loop to work with and it would stall just outside vertical lock.  Which also inhibited horizontal lock and playback would be unusable.

 

That's the only problem I never solved by myself.  Never imagined 'wrong size pulley' was possible.  Read about it in an industry mag and sure enough, replaced the entire capstan assembly and it worked right for the first time in 20yrs.

 

Not to diminish Ampex achievement.  Complex as they were, they made very little trouble over very long lifetimes.  The story on RCAs was, jigger this, jigger that, it was always something.

 

 


Post# 1069652 , Reply# 18   4/28/2020 at 06:28 (1,452 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Yes,SS transmitters stages run a lower voltage but VERY high currents.As you may know the tubed transmitters ran at high voltages-but lower stage current.The SS modules used in the newer SS transmitters were sealed metal boxes with heat sinks on the outside-and 48VDC connector on the back,RF input and out connectors,and control circuit connectors.Yes,the vacuum tubed transmitters all the parts were available for you to replace.And you could TUNE them-the SS models you could not.Some of the SS AM transmitters you could tune them.Have not dealt with SS FM transmitters.For transmitter designers SS stages were ideal for matching to low antenna and line impedances.For tubed stages they had to transform the high impedance to low.And those were tunable.

Post# 1069677 , Reply# 19   4/28/2020 at 09:55 (1,452 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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I'm loving this thread! Thank you for the video Arbilab! I have a lot of learning to do on transmitters now.

@Tolivac: Is your site fed by HV?


Post# 1069754 , Reply# 20   4/28/2020 at 18:34 (1,452 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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I love it too.  Revisiting that video raised my spirits.  Sounds daft, but I miss that machine.


Post# 1070008 , Reply# 21   4/30/2020 at 07:02 (1,450 days old) by chetlaham (United States)        

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Not Daft at all. I still miss my old appliances lol.

Post# 1070020 , Reply# 22   4/30/2020 at 07:49 (1,450 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        
I still miss my old appliances

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Those too.  Wish I had my 1973 Panasonic twintub back.

 

Besides the nostalgia, there were practical elements.  That machine doubled my salary in return for reducing its failure rate from

1 commercial lost per day, to 1 per week.  The chief kept records of that.  It also let me have on-call weekends off. 

 

BTW there were two of them and both were that well behaved once I got ahold of them.  The guy before me was 'good',

but I'm obsessive when it comes to machinery.


Post# 1070222 , Reply# 23   5/1/2020 at 02:55 (1,450 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

The VOA plant is served by a Progress Energy/Duke Power 115Kv 10MVA substation stepping down to 4160V.All of the transmitters but one run from 4160V.The site has a backup/load management 1.8Mw Cat 3816 genset.Since this only 1.8Mw any transm,itters running from the generator must go to low power.The generator is also 4160V can be used isolated from the powerlines or sync'ed to it for load management.Isolate is for power failures.Also the power Co calls us when they are doing work on the 115Kv circuit feeding our plant.It also feed DuPont in Kinston and Weyerhauser in New Bern.If we get a Hot Line Tag" call we disable our genset so it can't start.They have been working on the 115Kv lines a lot lately.The equipment in the substation is largely what you have described.There are PT and CT on both the 115Kv and 4160V lines.Each transmitter has two 4160V fused circuits from the substation.Same with the 4160-208/120V building circuits and 230V LV transmitter circuits.208/120 two 500Kva transformers-230V 2 250Kva transformers.

Post# 1070367 , Reply# 24   5/1/2020 at 22:30 (1,449 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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4160 eh?  Count me out.  I'm not too uncomfortable with 25~30kV monitors, the danger parts are well known, easily avoided.  Even if they do bite you, there's no real oomph behind it. 

 

Nothing like power mains can do.  Anything over 240V is pretty unforgiving.  One false move is all it takes.  When you get up in the kVs, that shxt doesn't necessarily wait for you to blunder into it.  It can leap. 

 

Thanks, I'll maintain social distance as the phrase goes these days.   To me, social distance from 4160 is in the next room. 

With the door closed.

 

 


Post# 1070400 , Reply# 25   5/2/2020 at 03:05 (1,449 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Relax--The system here is interlocked so you can't get into the 4160V unless you start unbolting panels that cover 4160V parts or other HV parts.You have to trip the 4160V breaker off to get the lockout keys and vault keys for the transmitter you are working on.Then two techs enter the transmitter and ground all of the HV points with a ground hook before touching anything.We have had one guy get killed out here and that's enough.He did use a cheater key to reach some parts in a transmitter without going thru the shutdown procedures.It was 10KvDC from a charge on a PA tube that got him--from a stuck closed power supply vacuum contactor that supplys secondary voltage from the HV rect transformer to the HV rectifiers.There is a circuit in that transmitter that shuts it down if a HV contactor is stuck closed.Had to replace one of the contactors because of that.The circuit didn't the time the person who was killed.The cheater keys STAY locked up in the Shift Supes office-ME on mid shift.On the RF transmission line-balun encloseres you have to get one of the breaker keys to open them.Before someone got badly RF burned when he got into the WRONG balun that was on air.Open wire 300ohm lines -in the building they are enclosed.Outside-they are open-so riggers and others out there are told to STAY AWAY from the transmission lines.Birds don't follow that and get blown up-pile of feathers under where it happned.One time a pair of bird legs formed a "Jacobs ladder"until they burnt up.If we hear what sounds like a plasma speaker outside and bright arc-TROUBLE-transmitter shut down and a line rigger to check on it.Tx affexted is then locked out until the fault is clear.The transmitter where the single fatality occurred has a 30Kw 40A main power supply.I have that grounded with ground straps and a ground hook while working near it.The ground hooks are in interlocked holders so power can't be applied until they are put back in their interlocked holders.Me and another guy were in one of the xmitters and we are fine.The grounding hook and shut off breakers are your friends here!!!

Post# 1070420 , Reply# 26   5/2/2020 at 06:35 (1,448 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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We have had one guy get killed out here and that's enough

Pardon the expression, that'snuff for me too.  Not the scaredy type, but certain levels of danger I'd sooner avoid.

 

I was fine with heights.  Climbed straight up the front of Diamond Head hand over hand, cliff jumping into water, going up 1400ft tower elevators.  Until the third time.  Suddenly I was terrified and have been ever since.  Now get a little shaky just watching 'Emergency'.  What changed?  Turning 40 maybe.  Lost my immortality.


Post# 1070574 , Reply# 27   5/3/2020 at 06:20 (1,447 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

at this point I don't like heights,either.Save the tower work for the rigger staff.At least I can control the electric power going to the xmitters-but CANNOT control gravity-you CANNOT shut it off or lock it off!It ALWAYS wins!!!We are especially careful with the transmitter where the fatality occurred.Part of the incident was the operators fault.Use of cheater keys is tightly controlled now since that happened.Some older guys that used to be here would be in a transformer vault while someone operated the Tx to wee what was wrong in a vault.Won't do that on MY shift----NO WAY!!and its now prohibited under site safety rules.Most of the time when something in the vault burns--you hear it,see it and smell it!!!But----remember more people are killed off 120V than 4160!!!Folks know the 4160 is very dangerous and stay away from it-not so with 120V!!!Too many think it won't hurt you!

Post# 1070596 , Reply# 28   5/3/2020 at 08:07 (1,447 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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More people are killed by chevrolets than ferraris.  Not because chevrolets are that much more dangerous,

there's just a helluva lot more of them. wink

 

I've brushed across 120V a number of times.  Gets my attention, is about all.  Bee sting hurts worse.

Graciously, my skin resistance is over 10X normal.  That doesn't help much at 240V and not at all at kV.


Post# 1070617 , Reply# 29   5/3/2020 at 10:18 (1,447 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
High amperage is also

more lethal than higher voltage at lower amperage. I think in the USA, our high tension pole lines in our neighborhoods carry about 44,000 volts. In countries with stabdard 230-240 volt service, is more efficient as the amerage draw can be less while providing the same amount of power per home. I don't recall off the t.o.m.h. what the line amperage is on either system, but their grids are more stressed than ours is. More people per square kilometer, and they utilized their electrfied railroads much more. water from the Alps provides hydro power in some areas. My dad knew a lot about electricity, and told me ome amp can kill if the curcunstance is optimal. Perhaps if one is standing in water, or on a solid ground.

Post# 1070674 , Reply# 30   5/3/2020 at 19:09 (1,447 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Neighborhood (distribution) levels should be 7~14kV.  Austin was 7.2k; I hung out with some line guys, told me that.

 

Then there's lightning.  Unmeasurably high voltage and current, yet only kills an average of one in ten people it strikes.


Post# 1070737 , Reply# 31   5/4/2020 at 00:52 (1,447 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Been bit by 120V and 230V(CEMCO transmitter LV primary supply)120 made me jump-the 230V just pissed me off!-And turned the 230V breaker OFF to that transmitter.Lesson learned-check the breaker BEFORE working on the Tx!We have the same setup for newer CEMCO transmitters-230V 3ph for the blowers,pumps,filament,LV supplies,then 4160 for the HV plate supply.The 230V supplies ARE NOT interlocked or covered.The 230V that bit me was in an older Tx made before more modern safety regs were in effect.The newer Continental Electronics have the 230V areas covered with warnings on the cover.The warnings are good reminders what lurks beneath!Been bit by AM RF-that's another issue!NOT fun!

Post# 1070754 , Reply# 32   5/4/2020 at 07:03 (1,446 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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Friend had a Tesla coil.  Don't know what the freq was.  Threw about an inch arc.  Could touch it with your finger, no sensation of shock at all.  But when you looked at your finger there were holes burned in it.


Post# 1070912 , Reply# 33   5/5/2020 at 02:17 (1,446 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

When I got burned by the RF-didn't feel it until LATER when the nerves rehealed!!!Was like you put your hand in a fire.At a station me and a friend serviced in Baltimore.The studio operator called and said his remote tower readings were funny.Roger and I went to the site and found the copper tubing feeders from the ATU(antenna tune unit) were missing.Got to the last tower-one of three-bits of skin hanging off the remaining feedline.Someone wanted copper real bad!Had to go to Home Depot and use some refrigeration copper tubing.Your knew works well for making the surge loop.Reinstalled the feeders after turning the Tx off of course!!!The remaining tower was fed with the transmitter 5Kw-AM site then running non directional.With the other towers reconnected after the copper jacker fried his hands-the station remote tower readings were normal.Bet that fellows hand HURT after awhile-bet won't do that again!!!The old RCA 5H transmitter kept on going!!!And RF burns can get infected easily because the burn is deep!So you have to keep the burn CLEAN until it heals!!!And cover it if you can.VHF RF-you feel it when you get close to where it is radiating-your hand feels like it would be in a microwave oven!!!If you feel that-get your hand out QUICK.Found a "leaky" transmission line joint on a FM transmitter line going to a tower.A safer way is to use a fluorescent bulb-the bulb glows when you get to the RF area.Same with TV.And for fun a neon bulb glows purple instead of orange when exposed to VHF and higher frequency radiation.


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