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Thread Number: 82976
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Interesting Report On Miele's "Power Wash" Cycles |
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Post# 1072322 5/13/2020 at 14:01 (1,436 days old) by Launderess  (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 1072352 , Reply# 2 5/13/2020 at 17:38 (1,436 days old) by Washerguy02 (Manchester ) |
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Another benefit of the miele powerwash cycle  | ||
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Post# 1072469 , Reply# 3 5/14/2020 at 09:55 (1,435 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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The heater is just as powerful as many other machines at just about 2kW. | ||
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Post# 1072657 , Reply# 4 5/15/2020 at 11:03 (1,434 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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For those who like visuals... | ||
| Post# 1072707 , Reply# 5 5/15/2020 at 19:16 (1,434 days old) by jeb (Mansfield Ohiio) | ||
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I don't know, seems awfully gimmicky to me. You can only saturate something once, you can't make it more wet. If your detergent isn't dissolving and laying on the bottom you need better wash action or better detergent. | ||
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Post# 1072722 , Reply# 6 5/15/2020 at 21:48 (1,434 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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It's been years since read, and didn't bookmark or download, but recall an article on front loading washer design that spoke to re-circulation pumps.
Basically once you go below a certain amount of water per kg/lb of wash you must have re-circulation pump system, otherwise all sorts of problems pop up. My AEG Lavamat has such a re-circulation system, but only uses it when being frugal with water. That is normal cottons/linens wash uses; but not many of the various delicate or hand wash cycles. The latter use higher water levels so am guessing that is behind. Also if one chooses "starching" (which is really just an extra independent rinse) the re-circulation system is not used, but rather washer uses higher fill level. As for detergent/product use; Miele used to make huge noise about their ball in sump feature that kept detergent in tub instead of going down sump. In theory product was kept in tub instead of being largely flushed down sump until tub was filled with enough water. IMHO two pumps just means one more thing to break down and or want repair at some point. But with various government mandates and other forces pushing lower energy/water usage suppose will have to accept re-circulation pumps are the next big thing. | ||
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Post# 1072770 , Reply# 7 5/16/2020 at 02:19 (1,433 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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I think the problem about detergent collecting at the bottom of the outer tub has nothing to do with detergent going down unused to the pump until various solutions like the ball in suds container or the "AEG Ökoschleuse" became a standard in late 1980s for more or less all European washers.
In early days of FL washers a certain amount of detergent was simply flushed down the empty hose leading to the pump as soon as the washer filled. Today the problem seems that there is just not enough water in the tub to create enough turbulence or velocity to dissolve the detergent that collects at the bottom of (nowadays sealed) tubs entirely. I could imagine fast cycles at low temperatures also contributing to this. | ||
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Post# 1072789 , Reply# 9 5/16/2020 at 06:31 (1,433 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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The Miele powerwash is 
Just as good as it says in the video, If you select water + it does not use the recirculation pump but instead profiles with water then takes in the detergent the pump then comes on when the machine is at temp. I must admit I do not tend to use the machine to its capacity as my dryer is not equal in size so would have to remove some to dry it properly but the washing machine is an excellent cleaner and I have to say I am most happy with the results.
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| Post# 1072840 , Reply# 13 5/16/2020 at 16:36 (1,433 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Thanks! | ||
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Post# 1072922 , Reply# 14 5/17/2020 at 01:04 (1,433 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 1072929 , Reply# 15 5/17/2020 at 03:59 (1,432 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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| Post# 1072933 , Reply# 16 5/17/2020 at 05:26 (1,432 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Powerwash versus Powerwash 2.0 Are the older 'Powerwash' models capable of being updated by service software updates to 'Powerwash 2.0' functionality, or are they significantly different beasts? | ||
| Post# 1073103 , Reply# 18 5/18/2020 at 04:38 (1,431 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Thanks again. I like the idea of the machine dynamically adjusting the water on the Delicates cycle for a few items. I always thought some other machines were incredibly wasteful consuming gallons of water on the same programme. | ||
| Post# 1073171 , Reply# 19 5/18/2020 at 15:08 (1,431 days old) by Golittlesport (California) | ||
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