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Thread Number: 83162
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
GE “Fresh Vent” Front Loaders |
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| Post# 1074582 5/27/2020 at 19:58 (1,423 days old) by Wishwash (Indiana) | ||
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Anyone tried them? New to the market, but they seem a bit pricier than more common models from LG or Whirlpool. Are they truely a new design or just a refresh of what was? | ||
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| Post# 1074592 , Reply# 1 5/27/2020 at 21:12 (1,423 days old) by agiflow3 () | ||
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These may be the first Haier designed machines since they bought GE appliance division. Wonder if they canned the GE engineers for their own ? | ||
Post# 1074681 , Reply# 2 5/28/2020 at 09:24 (1,422 days old) by SudsMaster  (SF Bay Area, California) |
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I don't know about those machines, but Haier, which bought GE Appliances Division in 2016, moved the GE Appliance HQ from NJ to Kentucky.
On their website they are advertising for a number of engineering openings, including one for a laundry engineer: CLICK HERE TO GO TO SudsMaster's LINK | ||
| Post# 1074775 , Reply# 3 5/28/2020 at 21:45 (1,422 days old) by miele4life (UK ) | ||
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they look very smart and they're certainly innovative too, did anyone else notice that there's 2 drum designs used in these models? :) | ||
| Post# 1074883 , Reply# 4 5/29/2020 at 16:51 (1,421 days old) by agiflow3 () | ||
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Yes I noticed that also. The SS tub wall is solid on the one with no spider indentation. | ||
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Post# 1074892 , Reply# 5 5/29/2020 at 18:55 (1,421 days old) by kimball455 (Cape May, NJ) |
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New GE front load
Hi ...
I had to replace all of my appliances that were lost in the August 2018 fire. The fun of looking for replacements got old fast. Lots of choices. At one point I had a different manufacturer for each appliance. The driving requirement was a fridge with two ice makers. You can go through a lot of ice cooking and then there are all of the icy summer drinks at the beach. GE is one of the few manufacturers that have a dual ice maker fridge. That got me looking at all of the GE line and I ended up with all GE appliances. I have been using them for about 4 weeks now aand I am happy with all of them. I got the new GE front load washer and matching dryer. They work quite well. The 'one step' for wash/dry for a small load works well. Harry
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| Post# 1074900 , Reply# 6 5/29/2020 at 19:53 (1,421 days old) by agiflow3 () | ||
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Kimball455 how are they with water use ? Do they have a recirculation spray ? | ||
| Post# 1074955 , Reply# 7 5/30/2020 at 08:40 (1,420 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Not Much Out There... | ||
| Post# 1074970 , Reply# 8 5/30/2020 at 10:16 (1,420 days old) by agiflow3 () | ||
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China pride under an American iconic name.🙄 | ||
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Post# 1074984 , Reply# 9 5/30/2020 at 11:50 (1,420 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ) |
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Interesting, it seems that the washer is made in China, and the dryer is made at the GE Appliance Park in Kentucky. | ||
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Post# 1075056 , Reply# 10 5/30/2020 at 19:59 (1,420 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Checked the online ratings of a well-known testing organization:
For comparison: LG has the highest-scoring machines; four of them received an overall score of 86. The TOL new GE model, the 850, (as well as other models from the new line) received an overall score of 74. Reliability: Good Owner Satisfaction: Poor Washing Performance: Excellent Energy Use: Very Good Water Use: Excellent Gentleness, Noise, Vibration: Very Good Take into account that the dismal owner satisfaction rating isn’t really for the newest line, but older models. Time will tell if that rating improves over the next couple of years. Models from the prior line scored in the upper 60s, with lower ratings for washing performance, gentleness, and noise compared to those from the new line. It looks like GE has taken a turn for the better in overall performance of their new washers. | ||
| Post# 1075066 , Reply# 12 5/30/2020 at 21:10 (1,420 days old) by mtn1584 (USA) | ||
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Not real “GE” Saw in HD, tag says made in China. No thanks, I’ll skip. | ||
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Post# 1075070 , Reply# 13 5/30/2020 at 21:49 (1,420 days old) by kenwashesmonday (Carlstadt, NJ) |
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I'm not sure what a "real GE" means, now that GE sold their appliance division to Haier. CLICK HERE TO GO TO kenwashesmonday's LINK | ||
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Post# 1075086 , Reply# 14 5/31/2020 at 06:03 (1,419 days old) by kimball455 (Cape May, NJ) |
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Hi
I have, as I shared in an earlier post, including a picture, the same GE set as the video. I am in my third week of using them on a daily basis freshening up laundry that was in storage and just the usual laundry load. The automatic detergent dispenser is a really nice feature. It has auto or dirt level selection options. The video covers them quite well. I am very happy with the performance of both machines. I have the gas version of the dryer. There isn't recirculation and water use seems quite reasonable. The drum does not have spider indents. Her's a picture of the drum. I really like the additional spin option to reduce dryer time even more than the really high spin that is normal. As things happen my neighbor that has a Bed and Breakfast had her washer, an LG, break a few weeks ago. She got one model down from this one and is very happy. Even without using the extra spin option the dryer time is reduced. With the amount of laundry she will be doing this summer due to COVID anything is help for her laundry load. These are huge machines. The contractor had to modify the door placement to get them in the new laundry area. The "Time Saver" option will complete a load in under 45 min and does a good job. That option appears to use more water. One of today's projects will be to connect the washer, dryer, and the stove to the local wifi network and install the GE appliance apps on the phone. Harry
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Post# 1075107 , Reply# 15 5/31/2020 at 11:32 (1,419 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE I was gonna ask if the washer had recirculation. Does this washer make any new interesting noises? An example would be the soap dispenser pump while filling at the start of wash. Also, what is the sequence of the normal cycle with/without timesaver option? | ||
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Post# 1075151 , Reply# 16 5/31/2020 at 19:42 (1,419 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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I am interested in the GE "Ultra Fresh" front loader(s) because these are the only GE front loader washers that allow the door swing to be reversed. Plus they have internal heaters and a lot of bells and whistles. And then there's that 5 cu ft load capacity. The price is a big of an obstacle, though. Easily $2k or more for washer plus dryer (gas). I may wait a bit to see if they drop in price later in the year.
Meanwhile, I'm a bit perplexed by all this brouhaha about keeping the washer fresh. My 20 year old Maytag Neptune never seems to have a bad odor. There is a little black discoloration on the door boot, but it's not major. Maytag figured out that mold could be an issue, and so they designed the washer so that the door "breathes" and allows air to circulate into the wash drum even with the door closed. I also typically leave the lid on the detergent compartment open all the time, as I think this also enhances air flow. Plus I run at least one hot wash (130F) a week. I also use a tbs of STPP with most loads, which I think cuts down on any mold friendly sludge in the washer. YMMV | ||
| Post# 1075154 , Reply# 17 5/31/2020 at 19:57 (1,419 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
small question | ||
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Post# 1075178 , Reply# 18 5/31/2020 at 23:07 (1,419 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Pierre,
I checked Home Depot and Lowes' Canadian websites, as well as the GE appliances Canada website, and the latest "Vent Fresh" washers do not appear to be available in Canada yet. Perhaps you could call GE and ask? CLICK HERE TO GO TO SudsMaster's LINK | ||
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Post# 1075180 , Reply# 19 5/31/2020 at 23:40 (1,419 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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 I have to say, 5 cf is enticing for things like king size comforters. I have to cram my comforter into the Neptune, and add water because I don't trust the machine to do so sufficiently before its own water level sensing window closes (assuming that at some point the add water mechanism does time out).
I couldn't stick with the video posted above. The guy's voice and blathering became tiresome, and after a couple of fast-forwards, I bailed before he even bothered to open the washer's door. | ||
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Post# 1075198 , Reply# 20 6/1/2020 at 05:52 (1,418 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 Meanwhile, I'm a bit perplexed by all this brouhaha about keeping the washer fresh. My 20 year old Maytag Neptune never seems to have a bad odor. There is a little black discoloration on the door boot, but it's not major. Maytag figured out that mold could be an issue, and so they designed the washer so that the door "breathes" and allows air to circulate into the wash drum even with the door closed. I also typically leave the lid on the detergent compartment open all the time, as I think this also enhances air flow. Plus I run at least one hot wash (130F) a week. I also use a tbs of STPP with most loads, which I think cuts down on any mold friendly sludge in the washer.YMMV is the crucial part. Your usage habits are not typical. | ||
| Post# 1075204 , Reply# 21 6/1/2020 at 08:14 (1,418 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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i have ask via the ge appliance facebook page the washer my mom and i have lacks 2 things 1 an internal washer heater and 2 it do not have a sanitize cycle and i also would not like that after 16 years if the washer broke a neighbor had to replace her washer dryer set just beside where i live and thank you for answering my question i hope they become avalable in canada
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| Post# 1075314 , Reply# 22 6/1/2020 at 19:55 (1,418 days old) by mtn1584 (USA) | ||
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@kenwashesmonday Let me clarify, I know GE sold to Haier, I meant it’s not designed or assembled in Appliance Park in Kentucky. Pure Haier, pure Chinese. Mike | ||
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Post# 1075349 , Reply# 23 6/1/2020 at 22:00 (1,418 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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@mtn1584
So what?
If the new GE Ultra Vent Fresh washers give a better wash, are durable, and meet customer needs better than the rest, why complain? It's not as if laundry products are essential to national defense. Lots of people buy German made washers here and nobody seems bothered by that. For my own situation, if I were to replace my Neptune 7500 today, I'd give a serious look at the TOL GE models as well as the Electrolux models because they meet my needs in a way that no other brands do. Perhaps other American laundry manufacturers need to pay more attention to what American consumers want. | ||
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Post# 1075371 , Reply# 24 6/2/2020 at 00:31 (1,418 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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according to the GE(Haier) website 74% of a GE washer is American content www.geappliances.com/ge/u...
CLICK HERE TO GO TO petek's LINK | ||
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Post# 1075411 , Reply# 25 6/2/2020 at 08:13 (1,417 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI) |
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Not made in America anymore | ||
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Post# 1075463 , Reply# 26 6/2/2020 at 14:35 (1,417 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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GE content Well, yes, many of the GE washers are made in the USA. However these ultra fresh vent washers - the current top of the line - appear to be 100% Chinese made, according to reports here. Perhaps that will change as their mfg is moved to the USA. The next time I'm at HD or Lowe's I'll look for the Ultras to see if:
1) The doors really can be reversed
2) Where the machines are really made.
But since the Neptune soldiers on I'm in no great hurry. | ||
| Post# 1075476 , Reply# 27 6/2/2020 at 18:28 (1,417 days old) by mtn1584 (USA) | ||
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With everything else being Made in China, I see no reason why an American built or German built washing machine and dryer can’t be purchased instead. Just my opinion. | ||
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Post# 1075488 , Reply# 28 6/2/2020 at 22:52 (1,417 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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5 cu ft is impressive capacity for a home washer, I've wondered about the LG and Samsung offerings in this size-class for a while now. The dryers are topping out at ~ 9 cu. ft. which would be a great
The GEs are nice looking, the blue accents are attractive. Keep us posted on your opinion of your new set, Harry, and a tour of your other new GE appliances would be appreciated as well. I know a number of people that are quite happy with their GE kitchen appliances. American "built" is the key, parts are sourced from the global market, just like most products now. | ||
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Post# 1075567 , Reply# 29 6/3/2020 at 16:46 (1,416 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Photos of GE Ultra Fresh Vent Washer manual I made it to the Home Depot in Union City yesterday. I couldn't make it to the nearby Lowes - the shopping center where Lowes is located had traffic barriers up at all the entrances on Alvarado-Niles road (closest to the Lowes) and traffic to get to Dyer/Whipple for the other entrances was completely gridlocked.
But Home Depot had the model 650 on display, for about $900. It's an impressive machine. The matching gas dryer is about $1000.
I took photos of the pages in the Use and Care Manual dealing with reversing the door swing. But I don't need to upload them here because the same info is available in the PDF file from the HD web site.
AFAIK, only the two TOL models, 650 and 850, have the features I need, mainly door swing reverse. The manual indicates this is an "optional" feature, although I'm not sure if that is an extra cost feature that must be specified on purchase. Mainly there's a locking bar one must use to stabilize everything before switching the door swing. Also the 650 capacity appears to be 4.8 cu ft, while the 850 capacity is 5.0 cu ft. This may account for the two extra inches in depth of the 850 (34 inches vs 32 inches). However the matching 850 dryer is "only" 32 inches deep. Additionally only the 850 washer has the "One Step" wash and dry feature of "smaller" loads. That might be a good feature for people in a rush or who just like all the bells and whistles.
PDF of manual: images.homedepot-static.com/cata...
GE Appliance website address: www.homedepot.com/p/GE-4-...
Also I see mention of Canada in the manual, but the associated Canadian GE website does not list these Ultra Fresh models. Here is the website address for Canada: www.geappliances.ca/products/cate...
And the 800 number for GE Canada: 800-561-3344
Lastly, I saw NO "Country of origin" stickers on either washer or dryer. Perhaps they were removed for display, or were never there to begin with.
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| Post# 1075600 , Reply# 30 6/3/2020 at 20:21 (1,416 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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Post# 1075630 , Reply# 31 6/4/2020 at 00:26 (1,416 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 1075685 , Reply# 32 6/4/2020 at 12:58 (1,415 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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ge fresh vent I believe I saw these at home depot. Now, i'd love to see a full cycle video of these in action. I'd like to see what they can do. | ||
| Post# 1075696 , Reply# 33 6/4/2020 at 14:48 (1,415 days old) by Mitchleitman (Ottawa) | ||
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I think that GE Canada is separate from USA. GE Canada was acquired by MABE (from Mexico a number of years ago). I don't know how that interconnects with the Haier-owned US company. I believe that GE were a minority shareholder in GE Canada. | ||
| Post# 1083087 , Reply# 34 7/30/2020 at 10:59 (1,359 days old) by jaums (Silver Spring, MD 20906 USA) | ||
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US Engineered, China Made On their website, GE interestingly answers the question "where is it made" by pointing out these washers are engineered in the US and made in China. The matching dryers made in the US. Have seen posts complaining that the whites of the washer vs dryer do not match. Hmmmm. | ||
| Post# 1083092 , Reply# 35 7/30/2020 at 11:33 (1,359 days old) by jaums (Silver Spring, MD 20906 USA) | ||
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GE Ultrafresh Reverse Door Swing Vid GE's video on how to reverse the washer door swing. CLICK HERE TO GO TO jaums's LINK | ||
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Post# 1083102 , Reply# 36 7/30/2020 at 12:46 (1,359 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Whirlpool had similar color mismatch issues
Duet/Kenmore He T front loaders were made in Germany until the direct drive models produced in Clyde Ohio were released in late 2010/early 2011. Over the years saw complaints the colors of the dryers and the washers didn't match between the product produced in Germany vs. dryers produced in the U.S.
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Post# 1084067 , Reply# 37 8/6/2020 at 01:19 (1,353 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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| Post# 1089009 , Reply# 38 9/11/2020 at 15:38 (1,316 days old) by Guidelines (Wisconsin ) | ||
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Is this spin noise normal? We just had a GE UltraFresh installed. It's the mid-level model, GFW650SSNWW. Please have a look/listen at a short ramp from early in the spins cycle... is the grumble from the motor normal? To my ears, it's shockingly loud. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Guidelines's LINK | ||
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Post# 1089062 , Reply# 39 9/11/2020 at 21:58 (1,316 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 1089068 , Reply# 40 9/11/2020 at 22:14 (1,316 days old) by Guidelines (Wisconsin ) | ||
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I’m referring to the drum motor. The pump sounds normal to me, like any washer pump. The drum motor sounds like it’s in pain to me. | ||
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Post# 1089074 , Reply# 41 9/11/2020 at 22:48 (1,316 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1089077 , Reply# 42 9/11/2020 at 23:21 (1,316 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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That groaning noise reminds me of the maytag neptunes when they first came out. | ||
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Post# 1089129 , Reply# 44 9/12/2020 at 12:25 (1,315 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI) |
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Post# 1089149 , Reply# 46 9/12/2020 at 15:11 (1,315 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 1089189 , Reply# 47 9/12/2020 at 21:04 (1,315 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
that microban for the rubber seal and the detergent tray is fantastic! I can't believe the other manufacturers haven't done that. I LOVE the way the drum looks on this......I hate that it doesn't have recirculation though. I still say that either LG or Elux will be my next FL washer unless WP comes out with something new B4 it's time for me to buy a new one.
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| Post# 1089238 , Reply# 49 9/13/2020 at 09:14 (1,314 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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i would consider a brand like lg if you have to change
if you have to change i would maybe consider the lg brand the model in the pic is lg wm4500HBA
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Post# 1089253 , Reply# 50 9/13/2020 at 10:51 (1,314 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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I've had a Neptune MAH7500 for about 20 years now, and never noticed undue motor spin noise. It also got a control board swap after a couple of years (the spider cracked under extended warranty). And the washer sits in an open alcove in the middle of the home's living area, so I think I'd notice. Or, maybe, motor noises don't bother me.
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| Post# 1089270 , Reply# 51 9/13/2020 at 14:08 (1,314 days old) by Guidelines (Wisconsin ) | ||
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Agree, with the updated motor/control the Neptunes are very quiet in operation. In my experience the first version was more of a crapshoot with respect to noise. | ||
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Post# 1089276 , Reply# 52 9/13/2020 at 14:20 (1,314 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1089286 , Reply# 53 9/13/2020 at 14:30 (1,314 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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Maytag neptune vs GE freshvent When I compare the sounds of the early neptunes and these GE's, they sound very similar, nearly the same especially during wash/rinse. | ||
| Post# 1089296 , Reply# 54 9/13/2020 at 16:14 (1,314 days old) by Jerrod_Six (Eastern Pennsylvania, USA) | ||
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More water option on GE This option allows more water to be used in the wash and rinse. I read the owners manuals and I only see the option on the 2 lower models. The TOL model appears not to have it. | ||
| Post# 1089305 , Reply# 55 9/13/2020 at 17:35 (1,314 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Post# 1089311 , Reply# 56 9/13/2020 at 17:46 (1,314 days old) by imperial70 (MA USA) |
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It may be left off the TOL models because the heavy duty cycle uses extra water for that cycle on TOL models (at least my GE front loaders do that). Just a guess.
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| Post# 1089324 , Reply# 58 9/13/2020 at 19:22 (1,314 days old) by jaums (Silver Spring, MD 20906 USA) | ||
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The fresh vent I understand consists of a fan, maybe something like the one in the link below but inside the cabinet, and drum rotation, 15 minutes on, 15 minutes off until a sensor or sensor find things have dried. I suppose they tested, but it seems like all that drum rotation would be excessive, but the fan seems like a good, simple idea. CLICK HERE TO GO TO jaums's LINK | ||
| Post# 1089436 , Reply# 60 9/14/2020 at 16:57 (1,313 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I'm so used
to leaving the door cracked on my duet and the dispenser pulled out to dry that I don't think I could leave it closed, even if it has fresh vent. LOL
I've never had the mold problems by doing this. I can see it being great for people who can't leave the door cracked because of location, etc. But honestly, I just don't think I could ever buy anything GE nowadays. I haven't had a GE appliance in so long I can't even remember. But I do like the looks of it. Does microban wear off or is it there forever? | ||
| Post# 1089446 , Reply# 61 9/14/2020 at 18:41 (1,313 days old) by Guidelines (Wisconsin ) | ||
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According to GE, the Microban will last the "life of the machine." That assertion is consistent with Microban's own claims about how their product works. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Guidelines's LINK | ||
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Post# 1089453 , Reply# 62 9/14/2020 at 19:40 (1,313 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 1089542 , Reply# 63 9/15/2020 at 15:13 (1,312 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 1089633 , Reply# 65 9/16/2020 at 13:30 (1,311 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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| Post# 1090329 , Reply# 66 9/23/2020 at 00:55 (1,305 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
I’ll chime in here.
I have an Electrolux set and the motor sounds nothing like that GE in spin mode. The Elux belt motor is almost silent until you get to about medium speed. Then it starts to whine like most front loaders. But it is very quiet, I’d say 2nd to the LGs. The pumps are also more on the quiet side. None of that grating chattering of most brands. | ||
| Post# 1090343 , Reply# 69 9/23/2020 at 09:44 (1,304 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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guideline
if you have to replace your washer depending on the age of your machine maybe you should apply what they call the legal warranty this means the the place where you purchuse your washer must replace your washer with the same model or similar model in other word exchange your washer and take back the defective machine
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