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Kitchenaid KDS58 Timer
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Post# 1080188   7/7/2020 at 12:43 (998 days old) by teerex (Portland)        

Trying to run down a Kitchenaid KDS58 timer.
Book says it is a Kitchenaid E115998 or 115998.
Thank you for whatever help you can be.

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Post# 1080215 , Reply# 1   7/7/2020 at 17:08 (998 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        

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My Poor Brain is toast.

KDS-58... Portable. Would that be a KDS-18 ?

Post# 1080216 , Reply# 2   7/7/2020 at 17:22 (998 days old) by teerex (Portland)        

It is the Superba portable model of the KD 18.

Post# 1080218 , Reply# 3   7/7/2020 at 17:42 (998 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Timer For A KDS-18. 58

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What is wrong with your timer ?, If either of the motors fail they can be replaced separately.


Let us know I probably have the whole timer or just the motors.


John L.

Post# 1080220 , Reply# 4   7/7/2020 at 18:04 (998 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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Updated part # is 4162399

Post# 1080225 , Reply# 5   7/7/2020 at 18:17 (998 days old) by teerex (Portland)        

What has happened is a small Blue wire that originates on one side of the main timer and plugs into the back side of the Black connector body has come out of its place (on the connector body) and will not stay in thus the machine stops.

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Post# 1080235 , Reply# 6   7/7/2020 at 19:06 (998 days old) by teerex (Portland)        

Here is my box of spares acquired over the years but nothing in it to help in this situation.
Some of the stuff is from an Insinkerator.

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Post# 1080248 , Reply# 7   7/7/2020 at 20:58 (998 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Timer For A KDS-18. 58

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Hi isn't there a way to even glue the timer  lead in place, or wedge it in place with a tiny bit of solid bare copper wire.


Spare parts ; the motor and inlet valve will work on your DW along with a few of the smaller plastic parts.


John L.

Post# 1080296 , Reply# 8   7/8/2020 at 08:29 (997 days old) by teerex (Portland)        

Hello John,
I did take a look at glueing it in but got concerned about what may also be in the hole this connects to.
This machine came to me a few weeks ago with a stuck motor and a several other problems.
The motor in my spares box is different....more wires and incompatible mountings. Says Emerson on it.

Tuna season is coming up and this machine needs to run reliably as it will be used in our annual canning operation.
If it quits at the wrong time it will be quite a problem as it will stop the show with lots of fish laying around.

With that in mind if you have a timer for this and would like to part with it please send a message to my email and we can work out the details.

Post# 1080313 , Reply# 9   7/8/2020 at 11:07 (997 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
KUDS-18 Timer

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I have good used timers, $100 + shipping.

The extra motor you have will work on the KDS-18, you just have to wire in the external relay to make it run.

If this DW is critical to your canning operation I would have a 2nd DW, The KDS-18 DWs were very good DWs 45 years ago, BUT very complicated for their day and not the most reliable either, its a little like jumping into a 1976 Mercedes and driving across the country for your wedding that you can not be late for.

John L.

Post# 1080363 , Reply# 10   7/8/2020 at 16:43 (997 days old) by teerex (Portland)        

Hello John,
Why I use these old machines to can with is the short cycle time.
The one I use now (and am holding onto as a back up for the reasons you gave) is a Kitchenaid Frannkenstein cobbled together from several machines over the years.
It goes 23 minutes to drying stage on its short wash which is just perfect for keeping the show rolling since it is
not necessary to dry the stuff.
The machine is also a portable but is having rust issues in the racks and body.
Has run sort of flawlessly for 15 years. Had to replace hose assembly and fan.
One critical aspect of these (and you are certain to know it) is all operating power goes through the timer, door switch and program switch and these take a beating.
The one I use now does not have a water heater to avoid the melt down issue I have experienced.
Oddly the 18 is 20 years older but is in much better condition and I can interrupt it after about 25 minutes so it will do.
Any way, there is the reason to this old dog's madness.

Post# 1080847 , Reply# 11   7/13/2020 at 08:30 (992 days old) by teerex (Portland)        

I was able to find a new timer.
Thanks to everyone who replied.

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