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Speed Queen Front Loader and Soft Water
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Post# 1080302   7/8/2020 at 10:14 (1,385 days old) by smteague (Massachusetts)        

Hello All,

My GE Front Loader is about to bite it (thank goodness, it cannot rinse my clothes). We've been dealing with crunchy towels and crunchy cloth diapers for about 2 years. We have VERY soft water.

My question for the forum is: can a Speed Queen FF7 rinse detergent well in very soft water? I really don't want a top loader. We have an already aging septic system and we do at least 15 loads a week with cloth diapers included so I'd prefer to keep the water usage to a minimum.

The repairman won't even look at my GE, what a joke.

Can't wait to hear your opinions so I can get my new SQ!





Post# 1080304 , Reply# 1   7/8/2020 at 10:24 (1,385 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Internal heater?

Do the new SQFL have internal heater? That is feature that worked really well when I had LG FL. I do miss that with TL.

Post# 1080305 , Reply# 2   7/8/2020 at 10:30 (1,385 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Of course SQ FLers DO NOT HAVE A HEATER!!!!!


Post# 1080308 , Reply# 3   7/8/2020 at 10:47 (1,385 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Always select an Extra Rinse

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A Speed Queen should be excellent at rinsing.

You may have residual detergent in all your clothes though so you may want to try washing items with no detergent to see if suds develop.

Of course only use 1 or 2 Tablespoons of detergent per load.
(there should be minimal suds visible)

Powders I believe are better rinsing and cleaner overall for the machine.

And always select an extra rinse.


Post# 1080309 , Reply# 4   7/8/2020 at 10:54 (1,385 days old) by Golittlesport (California)        

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Have you ever tried some white (clear) vinegar in the final rinse?

The LG FL I have will let you add up to 4 additional deep rinses on top of whatever the selected cycle has programmed. (You could end up with 6 or 7 deep rinses!) If Turbo Wash is selected, there is also a spin-spray rinse between each of the deep rinses. I can't imagine a load that would require that many rinses, but there you go.


Post# 1080310 , Reply# 5   7/8/2020 at 10:59 (1,385 days old) by smteague (Massachusetts)        

We are down to one tsp of detergent and I’ve stripped my towels multiple times. I’d be willing to stick with it if our GE weren’t on the fritz.

Is an internal heater helpful for this issue?


Post# 1080341 , Reply# 6   7/8/2020 at 12:48 (1,385 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
LG

l would look at LG wm3900. Internal heater, should be able to adjust water level, half the price, and rinses well. I had one that lasted ten years until bearings went out. Drain pump was user fault and rotor vibrated loose and stripped. Less than $100 to replace and easy to do. The sani cycle and internal heater could get the smell out if anything. I cant imagine washing diapers without that. I am still using the dryer, which is now 12 years okd so even more savings over SQ.

SQ TC50000wn overall pick for top load With Maytag mvwp575gw overall second but for anything else, look at other brands.


Post# 1080344 , Reply# 7   7/8/2020 at 13:51 (1,385 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
I am curious

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When you say crunchy towels, and crunchy diapers. Are you line drying? If so, you can (de-crunch) to a degree by tumbling them in the dryer for a few minutes with no heat.

Post# 1080418 , Reply# 8   7/9/2020 at 12:06 (1,384 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Rinses great

I have a SQ front loader, I am picky about thorough rinsing, and it does a great job rinsing and getting rid of oversuds conditions.

The extra rinse options are great.

When I first got it, I still had an old school top loader. Out of curiosity I took a load out of the SQ FL and put it in the TL for another rinse to see if the water would be sudsy or cloudy, and I was relieved to see the clothes had been rinsed well.

There is a work-around for the lack of a heater. Just run the nearby faucet to get the water hot before starting. For loads that I want really hot, I set it to do a prewash. Then the tub and clothes cool the water down a little with the first fill, but the main fill stays hot. It’s much faster than waiting for an internal heater.

JMO. Not everyone would agree and that’s fine. To each his own. There are lots of fine choices out there. Everyone in this group seems very happy with Electrolux, LG and Whirlpool/Maytag too.


Post# 1080419 , Reply# 9   7/9/2020 at 12:21 (1,384 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Something else

Just before a rinse, the SQ starts the water running while the tub is still spinning to flush off suds that accumulated from the clothes-squeezing action of the spin, and then it continues to run the water a bit before closing the drain to fill, so that it flushes out the sump. I’m sure that improves rinsing.

The LG might be the best rinser of the group with its spray spin rinse.

One member here has both LG and Electrolux and prefers his Electrolux for less tangling than the LG, among other things.

Everything has its pros and cons.

But all people here seem very happy with all the brands I listed above.


Post# 1080420 , Reply# 10   7/9/2020 at 12:23 (1,384 days old) by Helicaldrive (St. Louis)        
Something else

Just before a rinse, the SQ starts the water running while the tub is still spinning to flush off suds that accumulated from the clothes-squeezing action of the spin, and then it continues to run the water a bit before closing the drain to fill, so that it flushes out the sump. I’m sure that improves rinsing.

The LG might be the best rinser of the group with its spray spin rinse.

One member here has both LG and Electrolux and prefers his Electrolux for less tangling than the LG, among other things.

Everything has its pros and cons.

But all people here seem very happy with all the brands I listed above.


Post# 1080451 , Reply# 11   7/9/2020 at 19:44 (1,383 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
SQ LF Washers

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Rinse very well, oh course it is very easy to rinse detergent out in soft water because you can use much less detergent and the machine still uses the same amount of water.

 

People sometimes get the mistaken impression that it is hard to rinse in soft water because when they shower they still feel slightly slippery or they see I few suds in the rinse cycle, but in fact because you used so little detergent in the wash or shower you are actually much better rinsed.

 

As far as having a built in water heater, It can be nice for special situations where you are using resistance electric water heating anyway and your washer is a long from the WH.

 

My 17YO SQ FL washer has a BIH, I maybe used it once last year. My customers that have almost never use it, there are simply faster and more ecological way to get laundry clean.

 

Using the resistance heater a lot chews up a lot of electricity, the electrical consumption of the washer goes up 20-30 times more than what you use without the heater, it is also a stain on the wiring and main boards.

 

 

SQ sold a FL machine for almost ten years here and sold almost none, and if they introduced one tomorrow I bet none of the people complaining would buy one because they are just to cheap and would rather support the Chinese by buying a SS or LG.

 

We are kinda washer nuts here and lots of folks have bought lots of washers in their life and plan to buy more, I have only bought one new washer in my life time and barring a natural disaster this SQ FL will be passed on to someone else when I am gone in 20-30 years.

 

John L.

 


Post# 1080566 , Reply# 12   7/11/2020 at 03:44 (1,382 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
BIH, Price, and Misc

I am not one of those “washer nuts” that just want to have a reason to turn around and buy another washer. I prefer to buy American made too. It irks me to no end that people who passed these energy regulations cannot see what is so plain to the rest of us. Their well intentioned but poorly researched mandated changes result in MORE water, MORE chemicals, MORE time, and MORE waste.

The SQ FL cost at least two or three times more than what the LG washer costs. Some people just do not have $1900 (the cheapest I could find in my area) for a washer. Yes, it may last twice as long but it costs twice as much too.

Also, if the consumer prefers a matching set, there is NO justification for the increased price of the SQ dryer over a good Maytag.

Just like Apple, I think SQ stands out for SOME of the products they still make—I do think that overall their FLs and ONLY the TC5 TL can justify *some* of the higher expense. The rest of it is just plain markup. SQ is no different than Apple. I love Apple products, but it irks to no end how they say they are eco friendly. Then why do they purposely seal and solder their products until a user cannot even do the most minor repairs including changing a battery, upgrading the memory, or replacing a bad hard drive? The upgraded “electronics’ had the same effect on the TC5 making it more of a time-limited product because of the cost and availability of trying to find model-specific boards later. Apple charges what they do because they can. So does SQ. The only difference is Apple has wised up and offer a basic product like the iPhone SE and a basic iPad not just their top of the line. SQ could do this too. Why not offer the AWN as a basic, no frills model? Look how much the TC5 costs over the AWN432 model. SQ also offers LESS of a warranty with their TC5 than their TR series too. These “updgrades” were “downgrades”. Someone is NOT making some good marketing decisions. Their marketing department needs some guidance. Some people may be impressed by how well by the TR series endurance and how well it can balance loads like billiard balls and garden tools, but I am not fooled when I see how well it does NOT wash clothes. So it doesn’t matter to me that it will last twice as long as the washer I have. The washer I have cleans clothes LOL—all the types of loads I do not just office wear. The LG I had cleaned certain loads better because that BIH. If you don’t have those needs, then one without a BIH would be have less to break. I agree less can be more!

I know the “ugraded” SQ TL today I could not buy is the NOT the same quality as the AWN432 I could have bought in 2017. You won’t convince me adding electronics behind the knobs and ANOTHER control board over mechanical made that machine more likely to last longer. I don’t know if they did the same thing with their FLs or not. I don’t think ANY machine made today will last as long as the ones as the “good” ones sold even 15 years ago. Those control boards cost more than mechanical parts too. The bottom line is the increased price one pays for a SQ washer today does NOT offer as much value as it did in the past.

I thought you made some good points about the BIH, BUT what I had on the LG worked! My washer and dryer are right next to the water heater, and I still cannot achieve the same thing with my top load with my water heater set like I normally would as I could with the LG that had the BIH. The sani cycle’s increased heat is what made the difference even when the same chemicals are added. Also, I want to keep my water heater set at 120 not higher JUST for the washer.

Many of the people on this board who like SQ also have the tools, resources, and knowledge to keep these washers running. For example, some of you can change out the bearings. As a consumer, I am not going to do that nor as I going to pay someone to do that (the cost alone is almost as much as just replacing the appliance). If the repair people feel so STRONGLY about what the sell and repair, why not sell for less and charge less? They don’t. They have to make a living just like consumers have budgets and other bills to pay. I wouldn’t throw these consumers into a category of “complainers” but their “concerns” reflect what the majority have to consider.

A washer used by a single person or couple is likely to last years longer than one used for a family for a few reasons with the main one being the parts only lasts so many cycles. Also, many of us on this board, are not the same bunch that stuffs clothes into a washers until they have to jump up and down on the top to get the lid to close.

Bottom line is if SQ persists in going the direction of selling TR, they are going to have a lot harder time staying in the residential market. People can justify some extra for a better top load, but their front loads are two or three times as more—that’s a harder sell especially without BIH or even the quite effective turbo jet wash action.

Just my thoughts. In the end, I am glad I know this for me but sad for the people who are made to feel inferior because they purchase anything other than SQ.






Post# 1080582 , Reply# 13   7/11/2020 at 06:53 (1,382 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        
PinkPower4

Very interesting inferences but...

If Speed Queen decides to "take something to recduce the price" what would they take?

They basically have almost NOTHING! The last time they tried to take something to reduce cost (their cost, not retail price) they got rid of the transmission and ended up making the most stupid washer ever made.

In other washers, it's all about software.

Absolutely nothing justifies a SQ retail price. the COST to make a SQ top load washer is no more than $55. a front load can cost something around $85 Then we have product development, tooling, logistics, distributors, retailers (that all add cost to the product).

And if you think that's cheap, don't dare to wonder what's the production cost for a Whirlpool Cabrio.


Post# 1080633 , Reply# 14   7/11/2020 at 13:01 (1,382 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Retail Markup

Where I live the TC5 can be found for $1k to $1499. Big difference that seems to be based on the retailer. SQ says they do not set prices. I do wish SQ would offer the AWN432 again. The price did increase significantly when they "upgraded" it to the TC5 with no real benefits I can see. Can't we pay the penalty for what the government thinks is non DOE? I am tired of dealing with compromises that are wasting more resources. Some of this is NOT SQ.




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