Thread Number: 83903
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Kitchen-Aid, Breville or wait for the next Food processor? |
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Post# 1082570 , Reply# 1   7/27/2020 at 01:58 (1,366 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Breville: |
Post# 1082571 , Reply# 2   7/27/2020 at 02:12 (1,366 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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I haven't used a KA or Breville FP but I can speak to the Breville quality. I have a Breville Bread Machine and a Breville coffee grinder. They seem to be very well made and knock on wood I haven't had any real issues with them. The coffee grinder is used every day and the bread machine has been getting a lot of use lately and it hasn't skipped a beat.
As far as FP are concerned. I have burned out a number Cuisinart FP over the years. I like one I had because it had a really nice pasta maker that sat on top and made great pasta but the quality isn't there. They don't seem to be made for heavy use. I finally got tired of burning them out and bit the bullet and bought a Commercial Robot Coupe. I watched them on eBay and found a really good deal on one. Someone was closing a restaurant and the machine did not have a lot of use. I paid less than half of what they are new. It's a beast! I suspect I won't be buying another. I think I paid around $400ish for it which is what I suspect you'll pay for the Breville or close to it. If you can get past the fact that it won't match your other things it might be a good option. I'm really glad I did it. They are made for the long haul. |
Post# 1082572 , Reply# 3   7/27/2020 at 02:24 (1,366 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Post# 1082576 , Reply# 4   7/27/2020 at 04:09 (1,366 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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KitchenAid has cheapened a lot of their food processors by not using an induction motor anymore. The cheap motors are not only underpowered but also not very durable. OK when you don't use them a lot but if you do, you'd better stick with one that has an induction motor. You can tell by turning it on and off, a foodprocessor with induction motor starts and stops immediately, a cheaper one without needs some time to get to a full speed and also needs a short time to stop.
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Post# 1082577 , Reply# 5   7/27/2020 at 04:20 (1,366 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 1082578 , Reply# 6   7/27/2020 at 04:24 (1,366 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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I love her and I've been watching all her FP videos, but at the same time, the way she speaks make me desperate to jump on the screen and put her on a respirator or start CPR |
Post# 1082579 , Reply# 7   7/27/2020 at 05:16 (1,366 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1082684 , Reply# 11   7/27/2020 at 15:37 (1,366 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)   |   | |
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Perhaps rather than a different FP you get a better mixer. I love my Nutrmill and it will power through some very heavy dough, stuff that strained mu KA. Down side it does come in white with red, but it's mostly white... |
Post# 1082686 , Reply# 12   7/27/2020 at 15:39 (1,366 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )   |   | |
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My Mom had the same problems with destroying mixers making dough/Pasta.
My Aunt and Mom both had low blood sugar and they all ground there on flour and made there own breads. Food processors/mixers would either break or bog down. They bought a Magic Mill/Ankarsrum Mixer slash everything. Its not cheap but, its made in Sweden. My Mom used that machine for years and my Sister has it now and is using it. It replaced everything in her Kitchen save for a food processor but the cuisinart was fine for the rest. That machine is a lot easier making dough and pasta cause the open top |
Post# 1082689 , Reply# 13   7/27/2020 at 15:44 (1,366 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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I’ve always just made pasta by hand the old fashioned tried and true way. It’s not hard, and kind of therapeutic to work the dough.
If you have a pasta maker (the machine with the rollers and cutters, either hand cranked or on your Kitchenaid) this also works the dough to help refine it as you run the dough thru it until you achieve the thickness you want.
Making pasta by hand doesn’t take a long time and is sure easier cleanup than cleaning a machine. If you’ve never tried it before Thomas make a small batch and see what you think.
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Post# 1082691 , Reply# 14   7/27/2020 at 15:50 (1,366 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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If you are making that must pasta dough each week I would really consider going the commercial route. I don't think home machines are designed for that kind of work. With so many restaurants closing right now I know you could find a nice Robot Coupe for a hugely discounted rate. That's how I got mine about four years ago and the thing is a beast. It will do all the pasta dough you want. I considered the Magimix when I was looking because they are made by Robot Coupe but then I realized I could get a commercial machine for about the same money and I knew I wouldn't use the extra attachments. Mine has the continuous feed slicing, shredding, dicing and all that stuff. I use the dicing a fair amount but don't seem to do much slicing and shredding.
My last FP before this one was that huge Cuisinart with the three bowls, etc. and I never used them. I don't know if you would but it's just another thing to consider. That Cuisinart didn't last but a couple of years and they wouldn't do anything about it. |
Post# 1082709 , Reply# 17   7/27/2020 at 18:36 (1,366 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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That's the problem with KA... the dough never turns into peebles... it's a huge ball with the hook trying to cut through it. |
Post# 1082729 , Reply# 18   7/27/2020 at 20:23 (1,365 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Kitchen Aid, today, is all about the look and not about the durability. Sadly. You get some really well engineered stuff and then there's the trash when some bean-counter has taken a really well-engineered product and raped it. Nothing to be done about it, they're Whirlpool which, in 2020, is another word for trash.
Buy Hobart or Breville. Or, get a light duty commercial pasta maker. Light Duty will cover your needs perfectly for years.
I'm so mad at KA for their trashy mixers, I'm done with anything after their takeover for good. |
Post# 1082733 , Reply# 19   7/27/2020 at 20:44 (1,365 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Panthera... not everything is trash... The dual convection oven is AWESOME! Super accurate, heat is super even, everything comes out just perfect. I'm really glad I purchased it. |
Post# 1082734 , Reply# 20   7/27/2020 at 20:46 (1,365 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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I also can't complain about the mixer (mine has metal gears). the only problem is pasta dough, that is challenging for ANY mixer. Btw, the pasta roller is way easier on the gears, even with super hard dough. I "work" the dough using the roller and never had an issue. |
Post# 1082833 , Reply# 22   7/28/2020 at 17:27 (1,365 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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LOL! That's why I'm getting a FP FPs (with the dough blade) deal easily with super hard pasta dough, but not well with sticky yeast doughs. Bread ina FP? A Mistake that we make once in life and probably many of us destroyed their first FPs doing that. (I had to destroy 2 and they were great and freaking expensive TOL FPs from the 80's, just to be really sure hahahaha) |
Post# 1082905 , Reply# 23   7/29/2020 at 06:05 (1,364 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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I use a food processor primarily for bread dough and would have no other than the Cuisinart Custom 14 (14-cup capacity). It is also the top-rated processor by America’s Test Kitchen. Price is around $200. (Note: Other Cuisinart models score lower than the Custom 14.)
The 12-cup Breville BFP660 is next on the list; price around $300.
CR’s top-rated model is the 16-cup Breville BFP800XL/A with an overall score of 81. Don’t think they test the machines on bread dough, anymore, unfortunately. Price is upwards of $700. The 12-cup Breville BFP660 is further down the list, with an overall score of 64. Price around $300.
KitchenAid processors are middle-of-the-pack at both CR and ATK. Had one back in the early 2000s, and frankly, have no desire to try the brand again. Didn’t have the muscle for bread dough. |
Post# 1082907 , Reply# 24   7/29/2020 at 06:24 (1,364 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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I had the Cuisinart (I think the 14 cup) it had the three bowls and the attachment caddy. I don't have it anymore so I attached a photo. I had nothing but trouble with it. When I tried to make any kind of heavy dough in it (usually pizza dough) the lid would disengage and the machine would stop. The controls didn't work half the time. The pulse button would stick so if I was pulsing an onion for example I had to hold on to the plug to pull it because I never knew when it would stick. I gave it to a friend of mine who was going to tinker with the controls to see if he could fix it. He told me it didn't fail for him as often as it did for me.
I know they are supposed to be good machines and most likely I had a lemon. This was at least the third Cuisinart I had over the years. Cuisinart wouldn't do anything about the failing controls because I had just exceeded the warranty. And back then I know I paid over $300 for it. This is when I finally decided to bite the bullet and go for the commercial machine.
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Post# 1082913 , Reply# 25   7/29/2020 at 08:37 (1,364 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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The only Cuisinart food processor to own is the Custom Classic 14 pictured below. Nearly all the newer, fancier Cuisinart models--as you pointed out, Ralph--are middling performers at best.
Reminds me a bit of Speed Queen's strategy. The performance of their redesigned TR top-loader did not impress SQ aficionados, so Alliance soon made one of the classic models available, as well.
While I'm generally the first in line to try a brand's latest offerings, the above-mentioned are two instances in which the "classic"designs are the better performers.
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Post# 1082917 , Reply# 26   7/29/2020 at 09:23 (1,364 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1082922 , Reply# 27   7/29/2020 at 10:11 (1,364 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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That likely explains why I had the experience I had with it. It was clearly not made as well as some of the older machines I had and a disappointment. Now that I think about it, I may have bought that off of QVC but I can't be sure as its been a number of years. If I did that makes sense because it seems some of their products (not all) look like a higher end model but aren't quite the same. |
Post# 1082965 , Reply# 28   7/29/2020 at 17:09 (1,364 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))   |   | |
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These little guys have been around forever and are tough as nails. WK78 CLICK HERE TO GO TO whirlykenmore78's LINK |
Post# 1083006 , Reply# 30   7/29/2020 at 21:31 (1,363 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)   |   | |
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I'd love to have a Hobart N50 if I had loads of money to spend on a mixer. There's a reason they cost 3 or 4 times as much as a KitchenAid of the same size - they have industrial grade components that hold up under heavy use. |
Post# 1083159 , Reply# 32   7/30/2020 at 20:39 (1,362 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Congrats! Did you get the 12-cup model? Give us a full review after you’ve had some time to use it.
Several Breville small appliances are at or near the top in America’s Test Kitchen reviews, including their blender, toaster oven, espresso maker, and your food processor. I have a Breville blender, and while it doesn’t get a lot of use, it does a great job at everything I’ve thrown at it. |
Post# 1083161 , Reply# 33   7/30/2020 at 20:43 (1,362 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1083251 , Reply# 34   7/31/2020 at 12:08 (1,362 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)   |   | |
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Thomas,
It sounds like you've made your decision, but if you are still not quite sure, I have a Robot Coupe for sale. I would sell quite reasonably, but the shipping would probably be a killer from the states. I once shipped a Saladmaster food processor to Argentina, but I have no recollection of what it cost. The Robot Coupe is definitely heavier. It seems to be built like a tank and weigh like one too. Best of luck with the machine you get. Sarah |
Post# 1083275 , Reply# 35   7/31/2020 at 14:35 (1,362 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1083283 , Reply# 36   7/31/2020 at 15:05 (1,362 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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I didn't buy it yet... Before i tap my card, i want to try it. Nearby there's a fancier Williams Sonoma that has a kitchen where the customers can try the products before they buy. |
Post# 1083295 , Reply# 37   7/31/2020 at 16:17 (1,362 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Post# 1083453 , Reply# 38   8/1/2020 at 17:04 (1,361 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)   |   | |
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Post# 1083629 , Reply# 40   8/2/2020 at 18:33 (1,360 days old) by littlegreeny (Milwaukee, WI)   |   | |
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I know you already made your decision but I got a Magimix Compact 3200 XL three years ago and absolutely love the the performance. It's built like a tank, is super quiet and it's very powerful. No made in China crap here. This one is made in France and has a 30 year motor warranty. Last food processor you'll ever have to buy.
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Post# 1083740 , Reply# 41   8/3/2020 at 10:20 (1,359 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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are very popular in the UK with professionals as Robot-coupe' is in France. I think Robot Coupe' was one of the first. |
Post# 1084395 , Reply# 42   8/8/2020 at 20:08 (1,353 days old) by agiflow4 ()   |   | |
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Weren't the first Cuisinart food processors sold in the US originally Robotcoup made machines ? |
Post# 1084421 , Reply# 43   8/9/2020 at 00:43 (1,353 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)   |   | |
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Post# 1084908 , Reply# 45   8/13/2020 at 04:16 (1,349 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Now only one little thing scared me to death. The Breville is NOT dishwasher safe! I'm shocked! |
Post# 1084915 , Reply# 46   8/13/2020 at 06:04 (1,349 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 1084916 , Reply# 47   8/13/2020 at 06:07 (1,349 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 1084917 , Reply# 48   8/13/2020 at 06:16 (1,349 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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According to the user manual occasional washing in the dishwasher is OK. I take this with a grain of salt. I have a number of items in my kitchen that "don't recommend" washing in the dishwasher and they come out fine. One that comes to mind is my Vitamix blender jar. Some say it's OK, some say never, so about once every couple of weeks I run it through the dishwasher because it does a better job than their recommended method. It's almost 10 years old and still going strong.
Maybe run it through the dishwasher only when you have something really, really messy or sticky that would be a pain to wash in the sink. If your dishwasher has a hidden heating element in the bottom you're likely fine to put it in the bottom rack too. Another option might be let it go through the wash and rinse and pull it out before the dry if your dishwasher has an element that heats up for drying. Maybe the bowl will cloud or something and if it does it will just look used and loved and there is nothing wrong with that. They probably say don't put it in the bottom because they have to allow for the "lowest common denominator" which is a machine with an element that goes to a million degrees for drying. :)
My robot coupe also says to hand wash and I've been running it through the dishwasher since the day I had it. No issues.
Enjoy your new machine!!
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Post# 1087029 , Reply# 49   8/28/2020 at 21:13 (1,333 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)   |   | |
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Finally, it arrived. I'm beyond impressed. It's really a badass household FP |