Launderess vs. Electrolux AEG Lavamat

Funny old world isn't it?

Well with the Miele on blink decided to get moving on that other project, AEG Lavamat toplader......

First had to sort out where that huge converter would reside. Since the thing is rather large and while on casters doesn't shift easily decided it would be moved to a permanent spot.

Took the toplader from its cubby and after a bit of a squeeze got the converter into that spot. Toplader will go elsewhere for now, and be wheeled into position when required. It does have casters of a sort (a lever lowers and raises two small wheels at back), have put the thing on appliance movers for now.

Wiring up the converter took a bit of work and having to add yet more tools to my kit. One hates buying new tools just for a job because then they sit sitting haunting me later, but needed a good wire stripper and crimper along with NEMA 6-20P and 6-20R, and of course some O ring terminal connectors. Last bit were two power cords rated to carry load (three wire/12 awg.

You can see above input 220v is just two hots and a ground (no neutral), so that was easy enough. Stripped off bit of wire ends, inserted same into O ring terminal, crimp, test crimp, test crimp again, then connect wires.

Output was going to be a bit tricky.... Washer has German Shucko plug (as does my German mangle, and one of my ironers when it arrived). Rewired the ironer with an American 220v/20amp Nema 6-20p, but for some reason (don't ask) didn't want to cut plug off AEG and do same. I'm an idiot aren't I?

Sadly local electrical supply houses do not carry German Shucko plugs, and while could order one from Germany didn't want to wait. So.....

Stripped, attached crimp connectors to output cord, then connected that end to converter. On other end attached proper plug and here I am with this!

It's called Quirky Prop Power Wrap-Around Extension Cord EU Type F Schuko! Nice bit of kit and had no qualms cutting off plug and connecting proper Nema.

So now we've got wires galore, my bank account rather depleted again this month, but light at end of tunnel. Happily for one it isn't a train!

Hooked everything up and powered on with AEG washer seemingly happy! Well she came on with no nasty comments about power or frequency, so that's a good start. I'll put it down as one point in my book.

Will conduct a full test later on as have piles of washing that want doing.

If after all this the bloody toplader still won't handle a full load as before, then will give up. But cannot see how one can fail this time; new converter is rated for about eighty amps whilst other barely five. How much bloody power does a washer need for god sakes? *LOL*

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Post# 1084441 8/9/2020 at 06:09 (1,348 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Know some of you have been on tenter hooks wondering about how one is getting on with that AEG toplader washer; NOT! LOL But for those so inclined let me recant recent history. First there was: www.automaticwasher.org/c... Then came: www.automaticwasher.org/c... Well we're spunky in NYC, we totter on! So here I am with this: View Full Size

Post# 1084442 , Reply# 1 8/9/2020 at 06:31 (1,348 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)
Checkrate/Likes What is it you say? A 20kva frequency converter! www.gohz.com/20kva-frequency-conv... Current frequency/voltage converter only rates 1kva; not enough power to handle anything but a few small things in washer. See above links for whole sad tale of woe and misery. General consensus was something with far more power was required. And for reasons unknown to Moi, kept hearing 10kva or 20kva would be proper size. Why not 5kva (which is a much smaller unit), do not know... Anyway wasn't going to pay nearly nine thousand for such a contraption. If even whiff of that got out around here one would have been put away. So just went on about life, watched and waited. Finally a 20kva unit came up cheaply (several hundred quid), so decided it was either do something or get rid of the Lavamat which as sat sitting haunting me. Paid for the thing, sorted out shipping, but when it arrived my heart sank. Everything electrician and others warned me about was true; the thing is quite huge (bigger than the Lavamat), and heavy. I am an idiot aren't I? Clearly something will have to be given the push appliance wise to make room (and keep peace), and it's looking like GE Mobile Maid dw is sitting very near that window's edge.... Any have got the thing in front hall still boxed as cannot do a thing with it until create two power cords. Anything >5kva usually requires hard wiring, so no electrical cords included. Since won't be pulling anywhere near 20kva think two cords will be fine. Have several NOS 12/3 SJOW cords with NEMA 6-20P/240V/20 Amp plugs lying about spare. Just have to crimp on terminal connectors, then hook them up to converter. Hope one remembers what wire colors are "L" and "N"; PE is self explanatory. Am not quite sure how am going to explain this one; if worse does come to worse will some of you lot promise to visit every bank holiday? Photos... < > Photo 1 of 2 View Full Size

Post# 1084465 , Reply# 2 8/9/2020 at 11:52 (1,348 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)
Checkrate/Likes 3 Well, if it does work, just think... a whole world of laundry appliances from far-flung shores awaits you...! On the other hand, if we read about a sudden city-wide power failure in New York, then we'll know who's responsible.

Post# 1084470 , Reply# 3 8/9/2020 at 13:12 (1,348 days old) by Marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin)
Checkrate/Likes 3 Fantastic! Looking forward to hearing how it works out for you. I remember reading your threads about the AEG not being happy with 60 Hz. I see it will also do 400 Hz, so you’ll be able to buy an aircraft microwave, trash compactor, oven, even a first class seat!

Post# 1084517 , Reply# 4 8/9/2020 at 20:55 (1,348 days old) by JohnBee (USA, NY)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *Hey my lights went out* Hey, our lights in Upper East side went out 2 days ago?

Post# 1084524 , Reply# 5 8/9/2020 at 23:28 (1,347 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)
Checkrate/Likes Is this your handiwork? CLICK HERE TO GO TO gizmo's LINK

Post# 1084525 , Reply# 6 8/9/2020 at 23:52 (1,347 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)
Checkrate/Likes Microwaves were not used on aircraft-least not passenger-they could interfere with the navigation and communication systems-believe it or not resistance heat units.Aircraft can have MANY power supplies-208/120V400Hz3ph,32VDC,48VDC,24VDC.And yes-convertors for 120V60hz!Many aircraft vacuum cleaners ran from 400Hz-look under you chair on the plane-there could be a small 208V3ph 400Hz outlet to run a backpack 400Hz aircraft vacuum!

Post# 1084527 , Reply# 7 8/10/2020 at 00:38 (1,347 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)
Checkrate/Likes *@ Reply #5* Me? I never! Thing is still as it arrived,crated and occupying large part of front hall. As stated will need to sort out where it's going to go, and jig up cord sets before testing. Cannot lay hands on crimping tool, so may not have one and will need to get in order to put terminals on cords. Regarding that blackout, one did hear of it afterwards, but wasn't affected at the time.

Post# 1084573 , Reply# 8 8/10/2020 at 10:27 (1,347 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))
Checkrate/Likes Main issue was that these are really sensitive to overload situations. While your normal household breaker can supply double or more of its trip current for a few fractions of a second, these high power electronics often can't. If they say 80A max, that is 80A max. And a Stall-Position motor draws close to short current. So you have to allow to that on top of average rating. So a factor of 5 is really not overdone. On your house wiring side, yeah, a normal cord should be fine. And voltage should be, too.

Post# 1093330 , Reply# 10 10/16/2020 at 06:10 (1,280 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)
Checkrate/Likes *Do I spot an issue with your Quirky?* Am I seeing only 2 wires coming from that extension socket ? Does this mean your washer won't be grounded??? Would hate to see you shocked after all this effort! Maybe I missed it but thought I would say something. Austin

Post# 1093291 , Reply# 9 10/15/2020 at 19:13 (1,281 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *Update* Funny old world isn't it? Well with the Miele on blink decided to get moving on that other project, AEG Lavamat toplader...... First had to sort out where that huge converter would reside. Since the thing is rather large and while on casters doesn't shift easily decided it would be moved to a permanent spot. Took the toplader from its cubby and after a bit of a squeeze got the converter into that spot. Toplader will go elsewhere for now, and be wheeled into position when required. It does have casters of a sort (a lever lowers and raises two small wheels at back), have put the thing on appliance movers for now. Wiring up the converter took a bit of work and having to add yet more tools to my kit. One hates buying new tools just for a job because then they sit sitting haunting me later, but needed a good wire stripper and crimper along with NEMA 6-20P and 6-20R, and of course some O ring terminal connectors. Last bit were two power cords rated to carry load (three wire/12 awg. You can see above input 220v is just two hots and a ground (no neutral), so that was easy enough. Stripped off bit of wire ends, inserted same into O ring terminal, crimp, test crimp, test crimp again, then connect wires. Output was going to be a bit tricky.... Washer has German Shucko plug (as does my German mangle, and one of my ironers when it arrived). Rewired the ironer with an American 220v/20amp Nema 6-20p, but for some reason (don't ask) didn't want to cut plug off AEG and do same. I'm an idiot aren't I? Sadly local electrical supply houses do not carry German Shucko plugs, and while could order one from Germany didn't want to wait. So..... Stripped, attached crimp connectors to output cord, then connected that end to converter. On other end attached proper plug and here I am with this! It's called Quirky Prop Power Wrap-Around Extension Cord EU Type F Schuko! Nice bit of kit and had no qualms cutting off plug and connecting proper Nema. So now we've got wires galore, my bank account rather depleted again this month, but light at end of tunnel. Happily for one it isn't a train! Hooked everything up and powered on with AEG washer seemingly happy! Well she came on with no nasty comments about power or frequency, so that's a good start. I'll put it down as one point in my book. Will conduct a full test later on as have piles of washing that want doing. If after all this the bloody toplader still won't handle a full load as before, then will give up. But cannot see how one can fail this time; new converter is rated for about eighty amps whilst other barely five. How much bloody power does a washer need for god sakes? LOL View Full Size This post was last edited 10/15/2020 at 20:22

Post# 1093331 , Reply# 11 10/16/2020 at 06:48 (1,280 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)
Checkrate/Likes It's the clever way Germans moved ground for their Schuko plugs/receptacles to two flat pins at top and bottom of either. Small hole seen on plug is to use ground in other European countries that also use two pins, but don't have two flat pins top and bottom for ground. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuko... www.blunet.net.cn/knowledge/euro-...