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Post# 1088366 , Reply# 1   9/7/2020 at 20:16 (1,319 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Post# 1088374 , Reply# 2   9/7/2020 at 20:53 (1,319 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1088378 , Reply# 3   9/7/2020 at 21:22 (1,319 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 1088379 , Reply# 4   9/7/2020 at 21:24 (1,319 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)   |   | |
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When the power goes I turn off the tv, laptops, dehumidifiers, & dishwasher if any of them are running. If it's daylight, I turn on one light so I'll know when the power comes back. |
Post# 1088381 , Reply# 5   9/7/2020 at 21:34 (1,319 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)   |   | |
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When the power goes out I usually will go for a drive. Doesn’t make sense being at home having nothing to do since there is no power.
Reply #1 PG&E from what I heard has terrible service even more so than SoCal Edison. Last power outage I remember was last summer and this wasn’t during a heatwave but a planned power outage to do maintenance on the power lines in my area and that’s the last time it’s been out within the past year. |
Post# 1088384 , Reply# 6   9/7/2020 at 22:08 (1,319 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)   |   | |
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I do have a genny but it's used so infrequently it's buried in the shed. I worry about "dirty" power and modern electronics which is in everything.Luckily years go by without an outage for me. |
Post# 1088395 , Reply# 8   9/7/2020 at 23:52 (1,319 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA)   |   | |
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Just had an 11 day power outage here beginning at noon on August 10th and lasting until late evening on August 21st. Cable internet took an additional week to repair and some nearby neighbors are still without cable and internet.
11 days without power is really enough to try your last nerve. We were all cutting up tree debris day after day so I tell people it felt like a bad camping trip.
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Post# 1088455 , Reply# 9   9/8/2020 at 11:18 (1,319 days old) by beehiveboy (Northamptonshire, England )   |   | |
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Post# 1088458 , Reply# 11   9/8/2020 at 12:06 (1,319 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1088466 , Reply# 12   9/8/2020 at 12:37 (1,319 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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thru Thursday morning due to the Red Flag warning for wildfire because of the excessive heat, high winds and extremely dry condition of the terrain. Last night the power was turned off for over 18,000 Sonoma county residents, and the cutoff for the shutoffs was just about 3 miles north of us.
I’ve got our freezer packed with ice in case I have to put everything perishable into an ice chest. Since the pandemic I’ve only been grocery shopping once a week on Wednesday morning. Anticipating the fire season I’ve been using all the frozen meat and vegetables. Tomorrow, I’m only going to buy what we can use in a week.
We are going to live with the threat of wildfires and power outages every Summer and Fall for the foreseeable future.
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Post# 1088475 , Reply# 13   9/8/2020 at 13:52 (1,319 days old) by hobbyapocalypse (Northeast Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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First thing I do when the power goes out is unplug the fridge. I asked my elderly dad to please do the same and he scoffed. "I'm not moving the fridge to pull the plug blah blah blah...." I said, you have a circuit breaker labeled FRIDGE don't you? Yeah. Well flip it off. Of course he never did, til he heard from one of his FRIENDS that they had to replace a fridge after a power outage.
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Post# 1088476 , Reply# 14   9/8/2020 at 14:02 (1,319 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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DITTO! I never thought of it either. We just sit and wait for it to come back and usually it's so fast that we wouldn't get all these things done before it came back on and we'd be reversing it all.
We've been in this house about 2 1/2 years and I think the power has gone off once. The last house was 13 years and I don't think the power went out more than a few times. The only thing I did on one occasion was try to open the garage door which I was unable to do. I didn't know we had an issue with the door spring and the door was too heavy to open. When we moved into this house we had the openers replaced with those that have a battery backup but I think it was a waste of money because we haven't had to use it.
The whole house generators are a scarcity around here. You mostly see them where there is a medical need for consistent power. |
Post# 1088477 , Reply# 15   9/8/2020 at 14:22 (1,319 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)   |   | |
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The issue is a large power spike can damage electronics. Most have some sort of built in protection, but do not want to risk it. one of these days I'll get around to installing a whole house surge protector, odds are after I need it. |
Post# 1088478 , Reply# 16   9/8/2020 at 14:24 (1,319 days old) by dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA))   |   | |
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Post# 1088491 , Reply# 18   9/8/2020 at 15:34 (1,319 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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These horror stories really scare me. In the almost 20 years I've lived here, I've only had the power go off twice. Once when a vehicle hit a major power pole (utilities are underground in my area) and once when a small junction box near the sidewalk started smoking. Edison has turned the power off a couple of times for a few hours for maintenance but they let you know weeks in advance. Other than that service has been very good. I go ballistic when the cable and internet go out. I'd need to be tranquilized if the power went off during a super-heat wave like we're having now. I'm going to finally have solar installed in the fall/winter, but of course if the regular power goes out your solar goes with it. My house is one of the last in the neighborhood to be solar-less. People are starting to talk.
Ralph...that's sad to hear about PG&E. When I was growing up in SJ they were the envy of utility companies everywhere, well managed with very reasonable rates. Almost all of the electric power generated was hydroelectric. The more electricity you used the lower your rate was. See how that would fly today anywhere. What happened is too many people...way too many.
Even though I get a 30% discount on my electric and gas (negligible even in winter) I got the highest electric bill ever last month. Every day except 3 were above average for August and 3 records were set. On Sunday it was 121 degrees in Woodland Hills. This was the highest temperature ever recorded in all of Los Angeles County...ever! The weather...it's a changin. Something's blowing in the wind. Today it happens to be wild-fire smoke. This post was last edited 09/08/2020 at 19:06 |
Post# 1088495 , Reply# 20   9/8/2020 at 15:51 (1,319 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Last Oct. we had our power shut off for 4 and 1/2 days, because PG&E doesn’t maintain their power lines in a manner that would prevent them from coming down in high winds and starting fires. So, to avoid yet another lawsuit settlement for their negligence in maintaining their equipment, the customer just has to bite the bullet and suffer without power.
The last time before this shutoff that I was without electricity for so long was in Dec. ‘64 when my family was without power for 6 days when it rained biblically for seven days and seven nights non stop, and the Russian River had a record breaking flood.
PG&E should be spending more of their profits on the maintenance of their equipment instead of paying it out in dividends and then going to the CPUC begging for rate increases expecting the customers to pay for maintaining their equipment. These are tax deductible business expenses.
Eddie |
Post# 1088513 , Reply# 21   9/8/2020 at 18:17 (1,319 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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Post# 1088518 , Reply# 22   9/8/2020 at 18:35 (1,319 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)   |   | |
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Yes, PG&E hasn’t paid a dividend since 2017, because thats when the excrement hit the fan due to the Tubbs Fire that began from a PG&E power line falling. The resultant lawsuits and bankruptcy have prevented any dividends since then. BTW, the Kincaid Fire of last Oct. also began from another fallen PG&E power line, they just don’t learn or they just don’t care.
However, had they been properly maintaining their lines and equipment prior to this terrible fire (Tubbs Fire of 2017) that happened 10 miles from my home theres a good chance thousands of people wouldn’t have lost their homes and many wouldn’t have lost their lives.
PG&E has been in “bed” with the CPUC for as long as I can remember and I’ve been paying PG&E since 1970. Anytime PG&E makes a request for a rate increase its a done deal before the ink is even dry. The CPUC puts a rubber stamp of approval on anything PG&E wants, the customer be damned. I have zero sympathy of this company or its shareholders.
Now every late summer and fall we in Northern California have to sweat it out as to whether or not we will have electricity that we can depend upon. Should I buy groceries or not? Because who knows if I’ll be able to keep them from spoiling.
It’s not like they are providing our power for free, we pay fairly high rates, and they keep going up all the time so we can pay for their equipment maintenance and replacement, which in my book is the responsibility of of the provider, not the rate payer.
As I type this post I don’t know whether or not I’ll have power tonight or tomorrow because we are currently on notice that there is a potential of Public Safety Power Shutoffs.
Eddie |
Post# 1088770 , Reply# 23   9/10/2020 at 10:38 (1,317 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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I made a DC power supply for my DSL modem and Wifi router/access point so I can run for about 36 hours through an outage. You could just plug these devices into a computer UPS but stepping the battery voltage up to 120v AC and back down costs a lot of run time. I use a 7 amp hour 12v lithium battery.
Only thing I shut off during a power failure is the air conditioner. Everything else will be fine. I used to really worry about the computers making sure they were all on a UPS to protect the spinning hard drives from power bounces. Since none of my computers have mechanical drives anymore I only have a UPS on my NAS box with spinning drives. I don't worry too much about surge spike damage as that problem is way blown out of proportion, but I do have an impulse supressor at the breaker panel. Mainly because I have antennas in the air for amateur radio so I am cautious about strike energy. |
Post# 1088777 , Reply# 24   9/10/2020 at 11:08 (1,317 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City)   |   | |
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We haven't had a power failure since August 14th, 2003. The great Northeast Blackout. When we had that power failure the first thing I did was fill the bathtub, buckets and virtually every pot with water. Beyond the 7th floor, we loose water since the pumps fail. We're supposed to get emergency generators to power the water pumps, elevators and common area lights. No generator yet, and I'm not holding my breath. However the common area lights have batteries, enough for them to work for 5 hours. On particularly hot days, when power demand is high, we sometimes get a reduction of voltage. Other than the lights being slightly dimmer, everything else seems to work fine. |
Post# 1088829 , Reply# 26   9/10/2020 at 17:58 (1,317 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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I had a 5000 watt generator that powered all I needed. Male to male pigtail in an outside outlet and a jumper wire across the breaker box with the main breaker off to power everything I needed. But it chewed a gallon of gas an hour and it was too much work to mess with. My whole house Generac works flawlessly as we tend to loose power alot, total of 12 days since Halloween.
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Post# 1088836 , Reply# 27   9/10/2020 at 18:39 (1,317 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Full outages are rare although momentary blinks may occur during thunderstorms or a rogue 18-wheeler hits a pole. Have a portable gasoline generator bought when one of the hurricanes some years ago was headed straight here (it turned so nothing happened) but have never (yet) used it. The circuit substation is up the road 'round the corner, not that that means anything specific. The local electric cooperative owns their service lines, not shared with any other utility. |
Post# 1090792 , Reply# 32   9/26/2020 at 13:25 (1,301 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 1090902 , Reply# 34   9/27/2020 at 13:45 (1,300 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1090959 , Reply# 36   9/27/2020 at 23:48 (1,299 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)   |   | |
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Run dry here too... |
Post# 1091013 , Reply# 38   9/28/2020 at 09:42 (1,299 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 1091043 , Reply# 39   9/28/2020 at 14:57 (1,299 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )   |   | |
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One advantage of having a house near Chattanooga ever sense they installed Fiber to the home for all houses and business.They installed it for power switching during outages in 2009 but it has dual uses as very FAST and Very cheap internet.I pay 69 bucks a month for a 1 Gig of speed and 10 gigs cost 200 bucks a month I think.
Power rarely goes out here for more than a minute.Then comes back on. The last time it was out for a long time was in 2011 when we had Tornadoes destroy everything. That was the last time my parents Generac ran for more than a hour. Now the at farm where we don't have Fiber optics the power goes out frequently a few times a year and takes hours and hours.We have a very large Yanmar diesel Generator up there being a working farm for the Milk refrigeration.My Brother who works for Oak ridge labs told me that other cites are wanting to install a Fiber optics system like Chattanooga but that Comcast is putting up road blocks at every chance they get. |
Post# 1091186 , Reply# 40   9/29/2020 at 14:10 (1,298 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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Not sure it has changed a lot recently, but there was an awful turn for the worse as soon as they mixed Ethanol with the gas. It isn't really a problem in frequently run engines where the fuel doesn't age but infrequently run engines have horrible luck. From what I have found there is NOTHING you can add to the fuel that makes up for the alcohol being in it. Hopefully we don't end up with higher percentage blends but I'm not sure they could be any worse.
In many parts of the country it isn't tough to get non-oxygenated Ethanol free gasoline. I've been using non-oxy gas for about 6 years now and I no longer do anything special. I used to use Stabil and drain tanks for the off season etc. I rarely run my lawn mower so the fuel in the tank is now about 2 years old, I start it every couple months first or 2nd pull every time. Snowblower started last weekend first pull on last years gas. I've never had a single fuel related problem since I switched. Check the link for a list of gas stations that carry non-oxy fuel www.pure-gas.org/... |
Post# 1091208 , Reply# 43   9/29/2020 at 19:03 (1,297 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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I've used Seafoam as a fuel stabilizer/cleaner since 1997. The lawnmower is 24 years old and the 4 stroke weed eater turned 20 this year. Other than new primer bulbs (one for the lawnmower, 2 for the weed eater), none of the carbs have been touched and never had any issues. They have been through MTBE, ethanol, and whatever political scam California loves to embrace with open arms. 1 ounce per a gallon treats fuel for up to 2 years although I can't remember going much longer than 5-6 months on the same gas.
Running the carb dry using ethanol fuel is a not a guaranteed fix. I recently borrowed my neighbors tiller that he ran dry and stowed away for almost a year. I couldn't get it run longer than a few seconds and ended up rebuilding the carb since individual gaskets were more expensive than a complete rebuild kit. It was a mess inside there. There's a goofball small engine repair guy on Youtube who's currently testing different fuel stabilizers on a monthly basis. His experimentation began at the start of the year and now approaching month 10. One of them has already failed. There should be a new video out within the next few days but here's the last one for the month of September. |
Post# 1091338 , Reply# 44   9/30/2020 at 12:25 (1,297 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 1091968 , Reply# 49   10/4/2020 at 19:21 (1,292 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)   |   | |
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Matt, I hope you can get things back in order without too much expense. I never replaced my PC. Went to the library to use theirs for a couple years, and now have smart phone. May get a new computer next year if I can afford it. |
Post# 1092193 , Reply# 50   10/6/2020 at 15:08 (1,291 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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that's interesting and I never thought of that. Flipping main breaker off then others individually, then when power comes back on.....turn them all on at once to avoid power surge...
Our power rarely goes out but it has happened a few times. Everything is underground here in my subdivision. Back in 2003 I think or 2002, we had a horrible ice storm and power was out for 7 days. I was living in a different part of town.....the folks over in this area (at that time) never lost power. Being without power is miserable. I've often wondered if something goes terribly wrong with the power grid, we're so screwed. After being without power for 7 days, I've never cared how much my power bill is because I feel like it's worth every penny. |
Post# 1092485 , Reply# 51   10/8/2020 at 22:08 (1,288 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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My experience is that the smaller gas powered lawn tools tend to be more susceptible to gas induced malfunction than the larger ones. Perhaps this is because the smaller ones are 2-strokes, which by their nature are dirtier. Also, the smaller ones tend to have odd carburetors that depend on rubber diaphragms that can swell and distort with old gas. They may also have smaller jets that are more easily clogged. I do use Sta-Bil in all my garden tools. I have a couple of then that need new carbs. I have the carbs, I'm just being lazy getting around to installing them. The 30" hedge trimmer will get its new carb first because the 10" high ivy-covered fence is just about at the limit of acceptable growth. As is the 6' high ivy-covered fence.
Fortunately things here have cooled down quite a bit so working in the yard isn't as grueling as when it's in the high 90's. |
Post# 1092490 , Reply# 52   10/8/2020 at 22:20 (1,288 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 1092503 , Reply# 53   10/8/2020 at 23:51 (1,288 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1092527 , Reply# 54   10/9/2020 at 04:03 (1,288 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 1092529 , Reply# 55   10/9/2020 at 04:13 (1,288 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 1092530 , Reply# 56   10/9/2020 at 04:20 (1,288 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 1092746 , Reply# 57   10/10/2020 at 16:00 (1,287 days old) by chetlaham (United States)   |   | |
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@dalangdon: I agree. The whole "power surge" thing tends to be overblown but you do make a good case scenario. A 115kv transmission line falling into a 12kv distribution line does some of the worst damage en mass.
@Mark_wp_duet: If you truly care about something just unplug it. I don't care what type of surge protection you have or how much of an internal contact gap those circuit breaker provide. A direct lighting strike or a 20,000 volt primary falling into your 120/240 volt secondary will arc across literally (and I mean literally) anything and trash everything. (I've seen whole homes needing to be rewired where the surge protection charred like everything else did) An open neutral can also turn surge suppressors into a fireball. If a storm is coming, just unplug. Once you power is on and nothing amiss (ie lights aren't dimming and brightening from an open neutral) then you plug back in. As for power coming back on after an uneventful outage I wouldn't worry about flipping breakers, rarely is that accompanied by transients or over voltage voltage nor will the breaker panel have any control over it. |