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Thread Number: 84466
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Post# 1088669 9/9/2020 at 19:35 (925 days old) by Unimatic1140  (Minneapolis) |
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Just got home from Wisconsin picking up these two babies!!!! The one on the right, the later one appears to never have been used! At first glance these look like Launderalls until you look underneath. More to come, I'm exhausted but here is a first look.
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| Post# 1088672 , Reply# 1 9/9/2020 at 19:38 (925 days old) by Repairguy (Danbury, Texas) | ||
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Post# 1088673 , Reply# 2 9/9/2020 at 19:44 (925 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 1088675 , Reply# 3 9/9/2020 at 19:59 (925 days old) by bigalsf (Salt Lake City) |
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Nice! Wow, i've never heard of this brand. I love the look! As you said they look like Launderalls, but more Bendixish underneath. Pretty simple looking setup. Where were these marketed? Congratulations on acquiring such a cool looking pair! Have fun with them!! | ||
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Post# 1088677 , Reply# 4 9/9/2020 at 20:10 (925 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1088678 , Reply# 5 9/9/2020 at 20:17 (925 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 1088679 , Reply# 6 9/9/2020 at 20:43 (925 days old) by laundryboy (Orlando Florida & Moravia NY. ) |
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WOW | ||
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Post# 1088681 , Reply# 7 9/9/2020 at 20:53 (925 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Hortons! | ||
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Post# 1088684 , Reply# 8 9/9/2020 at 21:20 (925 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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Post# 1088686 , Reply# 9 9/9/2020 at 21:26 (925 days old) by pulltostart (Mobile, AL) |
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Very interesting! | ||
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Post# 1088688 , Reply# 10 9/9/2020 at 21:53 (925 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1088693 , Reply# 11 9/9/2020 at 22:38 (925 days old) by Mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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They look great | ||
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Post# 1088694 , Reply# 12 9/9/2020 at 22:42 (925 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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Very nice find, Robert! | ||
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Post# 1088699 , Reply# 13 9/9/2020 at 23:13 (925 days old) by Fisherpaykel (BC Canada) |
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Perforated paddles Double wow! Is one basket aluminum and one stainless? The name Horton rings a bell in my head but I don't know why. | ||
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Post# 1088721 , Reply# 14 9/10/2020 at 01:06 (925 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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Post# 1088722 , Reply# 15 9/10/2020 at 01:09 (925 days old) by Ultramatic (New York City) |
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Jaw dropping. | ||
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Post# 1088730 , Reply# 16 9/10/2020 at 04:01 (925 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hortons | ||
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Post# 1088731 , Reply# 17 9/10/2020 at 04:13 (925 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Robert you sly puss!
Always the dark horse coming up with the most fantastic items.
Congratulations and enjoy. To others; most know name "Horton" from the small "Horton Do All" ironer. But long before that appliance Horton Manufacturing Company of Fort Wayne, Indiana made washing machines among other things such as corn planters. condition. Notice word "Automatic" is prominently displayed. This washer like the Launderall was meant to get housewives away from manual or semi-automatic laundry. Horton page 12: worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Ea... post was last edited: 9/10/2020-04:38]
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Post# 1088736 , Reply# 18 9/10/2020 at 05:26 (925 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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Post# 1088738 , Reply# 19 9/10/2020 at 06:13 (925 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Congratulations Robert I have seen ads in shelter magazines for Horton wringer washers and ironers, but never automatics--a true rara avis. So, are you going to pour a slab for bolting down purposes? | ||
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Post# 1088747 , Reply# 20 9/10/2020 at 06:57 (925 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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So a very nice man in southern WI contacted me who had these. He told me he bought these both 30 at an auction in South Bend, IN. It just so happens that Horton's headquarters and manufacturing plant were located in South Bend, same city as where the Bendix was made. Which means there is a possibility that these originally might have come directly from the Horton plant from when they closed down for good! Really it's anyone's guess.
Where were these marketed? I assume Al these were marketed across the entire USA. So, are you going to pour a slab for bolting down purposes? I'll do the same thing as I did with my bolt-down Bendix Tom, I'll use 3/8 bolts with lag shield anchors in the basement floor. Is one basket aluminum and one stainless? The name Horton rings a bell in my head but I don't know why. Hi Walter, I'm thinking they are both aluminum, but the never used one seems to have a green-ish tint to it. Not sure if that comes off in the first washing. I suspect the name Horton may ring a bell with many hear because that was the washer they doctored up to be used on the I Love Lucy episode "Never Do Business with Friends" 
So supposedly this machine has a Bendix like transmission yet somehow does a reverse tumble like the Launderall did. I'm not sure how exactly it reverses, the Launderall used cams and gearing in the transmission to reverse tumble ever 15 seconds, the manual says this machine reverses ever 30 seconds. I'm thinking it may have an early reversing motor in this machine, we will see. 
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Post# 1088750 , Reply# 21 9/10/2020 at 07:26 (925 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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 Holy Hortons Batman!! My goodness, Robert what a find!!!
I see what you mean about the difference between a Launderall - no pesky motor-driven timing unit! Plus a separate timer control to end the cycle if desired - a big improvement.
So, what's the backstory here (foot tapping impatiently)??
Congratulations on a fascininating find, Robert!! | ||
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Post# 1088751 , Reply# 22 9/10/2020 at 07:32 (925 days old) by lovestowash (St. Petersburg, FL) |
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WOW! | ||
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Post# 1088776 , Reply# 23 9/10/2020 at 11:05 (925 days old) by Searsbest (Attleboro, Ma) |
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| Post# 1088787 , Reply# 24 9/10/2020 at 12:07 (925 days old) by Mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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| Post# 1088789 , Reply# 25 9/10/2020 at 12:38 (925 days old) by Mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
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Post# 1088791 , Reply# 26 9/10/2020 at 12:55 (925 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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So, what's the backstory here (foot tapping impatiently)??
Hi Paul, as I mentioned above a very nice man in southern WI contacted me who had these. He told me he bought these both 30 at an auction in South Bend, IN. It just so happens that Horton's headquarters and manufacturing plant were located in South Bend, same city as where the Bendix was made. Which means there is a possibility that these originally might have come directly from the Horton plant from when they closed down for good! Really it's anyone's guess. The newer machines works perfectly. I had to loosen the drain value with very hot water at first and replace the water valve to flume to hose, but otherwise it's ready to be bolted down! It's super cool how quickly the drum reverses, no pausing what so ever between the reverse rotation. It's done with an reverse relay with each 30 second increment impulse click of the timer. I've also measured the spin speed at 380rpm, 155rpm faster than the Bendix. 380rpm is what the Launderall spun at as well. I was also surprised the timer motor worked just fine. Check out the drain screen, never has seen any lint, I didn't clean this at all... | ||
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Post# 1088798 , Reply# 27 9/10/2020 at 14:08 (925 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 1088809 , Reply# 28 9/10/2020 at 15:45 (924 days old) by Golittlesport (California) | ||
WOW ! Who knew ?!? | ||
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Post# 1088811 , Reply# 29 9/10/2020 at 15:52 (924 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Hortons | ||
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Post# 1088813 , Reply# 30 9/10/2020 at 16:09 (924 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.) |
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Congratulations Robert | ||
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Post# 1088814 , Reply# 31 9/10/2020 at 16:10 (924 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs) |
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 Did anyone else hear a Who or was it just me?
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Post# 1088815 , Reply# 32 9/10/2020 at 16:15 (924 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Nice set! | ||
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Post# 1088820 , Reply# 33 9/10/2020 at 16:42 (924 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 1088858 , Reply# 34 9/10/2020 at 20:24 (924 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio) |
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Wow! What a lovely score!! (Was I alone in wondering about Canadian doughnuts? Need to have my monthly indulgence.) Lawrence/Maytagbear | ||
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Post# 1088872 , Reply# 35 9/10/2020 at 21:45 (924 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 1088879 , Reply# 36 9/10/2020 at 23:59 (924 days old) by launderall (Minneapolis, MN Orig home to Listerine & pop up Toastmaster) | ||
well, it's about damn time
Congrats...
Wonder if Horton bought out the factory supply and patent rights of Launderall once they closed shop? Horton saw an opportunity for entry into the automatic washer white goods business to compete with Bendix of South Bend Indiana. I knew of this machine mfg years ago when I found the Launderall in my collection. I just knew something would turn up for you either a Launderall or a version from the Lucy show the Horton. Enjoy the new toys to tinker with. Lets hope you won't destroy these rare models making a Dr. Frank-n-washer creation. | ||
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Post# 1088887 , Reply# 37 9/11/2020 at 00:41 (924 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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Watch TV While Doing Laundry . . . | ||
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Post# 1088917 , Reply# 38 9/11/2020 at 05:10 (924 days old) by Kenmore58 (Rhode Island) |
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Post# 1088919 , Reply# 39 9/11/2020 at 05:30 (924 days old) by marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin) |
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Coffee and Laundry | ||
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Post# 1088935 , Reply# 40 9/11/2020 at 08:08 (924 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Incredible. Just incredible. I'm still amazed at what is out there, yet in 2020.
Great finds, great saves, and perfect for your collection of early automatics. Would love to hear what this sounds like during wash for the reverse tumble. The "connector" on the motor is interesting/odd, almost like a coat of permagum! Is it possible the one on the left is a more TOL version of the original? Lots of glam, chrome, etc. Anyone out there have documentation on these - service or parts? Ben | ||
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Post# 1088939 , Reply# 41 9/11/2020 at 08:36 (924 days old) by jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA) |
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Reverse tumble? | ||
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Post# 1088943 , Reply# 42 9/11/2020 at 08:51 (924 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia) |
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WOW. Pass the smelling salts. What a find! I have never heard of these. Congratulations Robert. The Hortons couldn't have asked for a better home. Looking forward to a video... | ||
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Post# 1088977 , Reply# 44 9/11/2020 at 11:49 (924 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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All Bolted-Down and Washing!
Lets hope you won't destroy these rare models making a Dr. Frank-n-washer creation.
Hey Gary, no absolutely not, these are too rare of machines to upgrade/tinker with them. I only consider doing that to machines that several other collectors have in good shape or are very common such as a 70's Maytag. The "connector" on the motor is interesting/odd, almost like a coat of permagum! Hi Ben, both machines have this kind of electrical insulation on the motor, the newer model has white gum and the older one has black gum. Is it possible the one on the left is a more TOL version of the original? Lots of glam, chrome, etc. I very much doubt this because the one on the left has only a start switch and no timer to advance to repeat any cycles. The newer model is date stamped January 1952. I have yet to get into the older one to see a date stamp but I would guess 1949. I'll be surprised if it does a reverse tumble, not enough wires into the motor for a reversible motor, and the transmission looks too small and simple to have the needed gearing. It will be fun to see! Ohh I get to surprise one of the Lefever boys, I love that!!! What year are these machines? 1949 and early 1952 Les. Okay here is the video of the 2nd wash load I did. Two large blankets. The coolest thing is when it goes into spin (about 5:15 into the video time), there is so much violent water action that it even slightly sprays out of the two vent holes in the lid lol!!! | ||
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Post# 1088983 , Reply# 45 9/11/2020 at 12:56 (924 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Wow! I'm totally flabbergasted! I was glued to the screen when the video was playing. This is a very advanced machine for that time. It seems to me that the reverse tumbling is not on all increments of the timer (before it goes into spin)? I couldn't make out what exactly happens before the spin. Is it draining? Looks like it. I hear water running, but I suppose it's going out, not in?
I'm also surprised at the sound of the machine. It runs very smooth! Almost like a zen experience! What an awesome find! Welcome to the world of H-axis toploaders! | ||
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Post# 1088991 , Reply# 46 9/11/2020 at 13:51 (924 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Wow, that was fantastic! Is the timer pulsing a motor reversing switch (which then reverses the polarity of the motor) every 30 seconds during wash? It sounds like a contractor. Any photos? I don't recognize the motor end bells, either. Mind taking a picture of the motor label? Tag looks Delco-like.
Violent is an understatement :) Ben | ||
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Post# 1088993 , Reply# 47 9/11/2020 at 14:04 (924 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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Post# 1089000 , Reply# 48 9/11/2020 at 15:11 (923 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Since I'm on PTO this week, plenty of time to play with the new toys, thank goodness.
You're right Louis, the timer only starts reversing the cylinder after about 1 minute of fill on each of the 3 fill/tumble cycles and not during drain. Yes it's draining for 2 minutes before spin and fills for 2 minutes after spin. So I took the front panel off of the older machine. It's dated February 1950. Sure enough a timer is hidden behind the panel. Both machines seems to have some kind of large relay. I assume this relay is used in reversing the motor and giving the motor a 1/2 second delay so it can quickly stop before reversing. It's what is making those clicking sounds with each reversal. The reversal seems to be triggered at each increment click of the timer. I tried the older machine and its going to need more work, the oil may be low and need changing and the pump valve is leaky so I took the assembly out and took some pictures. Picture #2 Ben shows this big clicking relay. I really like the look of the older machine vs the newer machine, although it's nice to be able to control timer on the newer machine. I can't decide which one I like better lol. | ||
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Post# 1089001 , Reply# 49 9/11/2020 at 15:14 (923 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 1089014 , Reply# 50 9/11/2020 at 16:07 (923 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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JAHCO history Follow the link for a bit of history on the Cleveland Jack & Heintz Co clevelandhistorical.org/items/sh... | ||
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Interesting how it makes a totally different sound when tumbling in one direction as it does in the other. How much water does is in the tub during wash? | ||
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Robert, this is the coolest thing I've seen in a long time! Thanks so much for sharing! You're right about the water action during spin. If the lid were open you'd have as big a mess as the 49 ABC-O-Matic when agitation starts during the overflow rinse! | ||
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Post# 1089039 , Reply# 53 9/11/2020 at 19:08 (923 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1089060 , Reply# 54 9/11/2020 at 20:56 (923 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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The Hortons | ||
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Post# 1089065 , Reply# 55 9/11/2020 at 22:10 (923 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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Post# 1089088 , Reply# 56 9/12/2020 at 04:42 (923 days old) by jeb (Mansfield Ohiio) |
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Horton Does it mater which direction it is in when it goes into spin? | ||
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Post# 1089090 , Reply# 57 9/12/2020 at 05:05 (923 days old) by Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC) |
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Wonderful find!!! The dials on the one unit reminds me of the first Maytag we had in the early 1950's. The AMP.
The sounds remind me of the Jacobs Laundryall of that same time.
Are these machines bolted to the floor?
I love it!! Thanks for sharing.
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Post# 1089093 , Reply# 58 9/12/2020 at 06:27 (923 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Why Is There A Window In The Lid ? | ||
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Post# 1089095 , Reply# 59 9/12/2020 at 06:34 (923 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1089099 , Reply# 60 9/12/2020 at 08:03 (923 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Am I correct in the assumption this uses a timed fill only for all fills?
Hi Bob, yes it sure does, 2 minutes each fill. Does it mater which direction it is in when it goes into spin? Hi Jeffrey, yes because the pump seems to only pump out water when the drum is turning front to back with the pump valve solenoid energized. Am I the only one wondering why there's a window in the lid? Hi Ralph, here are my guesses about that: #1 Like Louis said and most important to check the suds level #2 Woman were distrusting of automatic washers vs their wringers, seeing it in action might have put their mind at ease that their clothes are being washed properly. #3 It wouldn't be wise to open the lid fast during the start of spin as everything would get drenched, I suspect even the worse than the ABC/Kelvinator. #4 The round window lid is so super cute and cartoonish lol! What do we know about how long these were built ? any idea what the cost would have been and how widely they were distributed ? My guess John is 1949 thru 1952, maybe 1953 but it seems Horton was gone after that. The tag on the machine the newer machines was marked $299 (which calculates to $2,932.66 in 2020 dollars)! How much water does is in the tub during wash? Here is both water level and cycle chart Les. This is from the Launderall service manual, but they both are the same in the Horton, except the Horton only has a 12 minute wash vs 15 minutes in the Launderall and the Horton does a 30 second spray flush during the first drain (which you can hear in the video). I have no documentation what so ever from the Horton except for what came with the machines I just got. | ||
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Post# 1089143 , Reply# 62 9/12/2020 at 14:25 (923 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio) |
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Post# 1089154 , Reply# 63 9/12/2020 at 16:16 (922 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Hey Chris, sure...
the sound it makes when changing direction to me sounds like a big centrifugal start switch in the motor.
I thought the same thing when I heard it, although that click seems to be coming from the big reverse relay box, although it may be the motor because they are relatively close to each other it's kind hard to tell for sure. He said it was an important design feature of the Keymatic that its motor could go from full speed one way to full speed the other with only a fraction of a second pause. The Horton may have the same type of motor.? I kind of doubt this is some kind of special reversing motors, since reversing motors in appliances was a brand new phenomenon in the late 40's. It seems that reversing relay has just enough of a pause for the motor to stop so it can quickly reverse. the change from wash to spin - is that a solenoid operated change of gears or release of a clutch in the transmission? Yes its a spin solenoid that depresses inwards clutch plates that mesh and cause spin (see picture 6 for that clutch assembly). I suspect the 12 min reversing wash would be better than a 15 min non-reversing tumble in a Launderall? The Launderall was a reversing wash too. The difference is it did it all with cams and gearing in the transmission vs electrically in the Horton. The Launderall is more complicated than the simplified Horton, the Launderall was a true Rube Goldberg machine mechanically. The Launderall reversed every 15 seconds and the Horton every 30 seconds. See pictures 1-4 for the Launderall mechanics and 5-6 are the Horton's mechanics... | ||
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Post# 1089180 , Reply# 65 9/12/2020 at 20:05 (922 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 1089483 , Reply# 66 9/15/2020 at 03:13 (920 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Killeen tx USA) |
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What do the controls do? What's the layout? | ||
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Post# 1089625 , Reply# 67 9/16/2020 at 12:03 (919 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Jerome,
The machine in the video has two dials on top of front of the machine, like the Maytag AMP if you are familiar with that machine. On the left is a timer. The positions on the timer are FILL 12 | | 9 | | 6 | | 3 | | DRAIN SPIN RINSE DRAIN SPIN RINSE DRAIN SPIN OFF On the right is a dial for the temperatures. Two positions HOT and WARM. | ||
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Post# 1089673 , Reply# 68 9/16/2020 at 20:09 (918 days old) by kevin313 (Detroit, Michigan) |
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Congratulations, Robert!! | ||
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Post# 1089731 , Reply# 69 9/17/2020 at 14:16 (918 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Thanks guys for all the nice comments!
So now that I have the 1952 model all bolted down and washed several loads very successfully I'm going to work on the earlier 1949/1950 model. I really think of the two machines the earlier machine is much more fun looking. The earlier model has its timer hidden underneath and there is only a start switch to start the cycle. The start switch is simply a rocker wheel (picture #2), you turn the start switch forward, the machine starts and the rocker knob snaps right back to it's original location. Once you start the machine it has to run through the entire cycle by itself (just like the original Launderall), you can't adjust the cycle at all or even really know where it is in the cycle unless you pay close attention. In 1947 Consumer Bulletin wrote "The duration of the wash, rinse and spin cycles of Launderall cannot be changed as it can be in the Bendix. This would appear to be an advantage as it will prevent the inexperienced housewife from shortening the time of the washing cycles and thereby reducing the machine's washing ability". Uh huh well I'm not inexperienced nor a housewife lol. And I found if I don't pay attention I'm not sure if it's in the first rinse or the second rinse to add softener. So I created a simple app for my android phone (see picture #3) that if I start the app and the washer at the same time it will always let me know where the earlier Horton is in the cycle. Just like the washer the dial increments on the app every 30 seconds, the red number in the center top is counting down the number of seconds until the next increment click, and the bottom # has the number of minutes left in the 36 minute cycle. Interesting to note that when I start the washer and the app exactly at the same time by the end of the cycle the washer is increment clicking about 3/4" of a second faster than the app. I do know that the 21st century app is timing correctly and the 1949 mechanical timer escapement is not a perfect science in the vintage machine so the increment timing speeds up ever so slightly over the course of the entire cycle. | ||
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Post# 1090719 , Reply# 72 9/25/2020 at 19:58 (909 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Post# 1090768 , Reply# 73 9/26/2020 at 08:26 (909 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Do you see any patent numbers on the machines, I want to do some digging
There are not any patent numbers on the machine however I have found some of them. But what really piqued my interest was the original Launderall patent. It assigned to: "Clare S. Jacobs and Merton F. Wilcox, Detroit, Mich., assignors, by mesne assignments, to Horton Manufacturing Company, Fort Wayne, Ind, a corporation of Indiana" So Jacobs and Horton were connected somehow from the very beginning! patentimages.storage.googleapis.... | ||
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Post# 1090789 , Reply# 74 9/26/2020 at 13:00 (909 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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