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Thread Number: 84966
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Post# 1094264 10/23/2020 at 21:30 (1,279 days old) by stopmeister72  (Irving, TX) |
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Holly Hobart is coming home tomorrow and she surely doesn't meet any energy regulations, though some insulation is in the plans.
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Post# 1094268 , Reply# 1 10/23/2020 at 22:00 (1,279 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Post# 1094276 , Reply# 2 10/23/2020 at 23:17 (1,279 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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I hope washers and dryers follow suit! I wish GE would revamp the filter-flo lineup entirely. | ||
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Post# 1094296 , Reply# 3 10/24/2020 at 05:05 (1,279 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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My 2017 Whirlpool cleans very well on the 1-hr. cycle, using only about 5 gallons of water. There’s really no need for a dishwasher to use 13 gallons of water to do its job. On the other hand, I can understand the frustration with dishwashers that take 2-1/2 hours or more to complete a Normal cycle using 3 gallons of water.
Chetlaham— I must have missed the part in the Constitution that deals with dishwashers. GELaundry4ever— The chance of GE bringing back Filter-Flo washers—as cool as they were—is almost non-existent, much as General Motors will never bring back the 1968 Cadillac Eldorado. Given time, patience and diligent searching, you’ll probably be able to find a used one that’s been reconditioned. Although it doesn't have fun things like recirculating lint filtration or a Mini-Basket, I enjoy owning a 2017 Speed Queen top-loader. It provides a truly vintage washing machine experience with the convenience of having parts and service readily available when the day comes that it needs to be repaired. And it has an Eco cycle that saves a lot of water for loads that don't require a deep rinse. Best of both worlds. This post was last edited 10/24/2020 at 09:41 | ||
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Post# 1094377 , Reply# 5 10/24/2020 at 16:37 (1,278 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay) |
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| Post# 1094394 , Reply# 7 10/24/2020 at 18:13 (1,278 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
Interesting that the people on this thread bashing “today’s” high efficiency dishwashers and wishing for the days of 12+ gallon cycles have either never actually owned any *good* brand and model dishwasher of the last ~10 years, or they have posted on other threads praising the new machines they own? Make it make sense please.
Sorry but, people aren’t going to buy a machine to deliberately send their utility bills to the sky. It doesn’t matter what regulations there are or aren’t, consumers ultimately decide which way the markets go, and this will be no different than lightbulbs or cars. Light bulb manufacturers standardized LED bulbs on their lineup BEFORE any regulation came about to phase out incandescents because people actively wanted ways to reduce their energy bills. And people don’t drive down the road in their cars and think “Hmm, I think I’ll go buy a car that is less fuel efficient because I wanna stick it to the DOE by spending MORE per tank.” Regardless of what anybody likes about it, the majority of people with modern appliances love them, or they work perfectly fine enough for them not to think about whether or not it’s using enough water. Only about 0.01 percent of the market would probably actually consider buying a water guzzling dishwasher, so why would companies waste R&D building antiquated and inferior products along with their current models? Both “eco” dishwashers I’ve had worked flawlessly on their Normal cycles and frequently flipped plastic cups and containers in the top rack, and to be perfectly honest, did a more thorough job than the PowerClean in some regards. It just doesn’t take 15 HP motors and 30 gallons of water to wash dishes. Not that Dump has ever even seen a dishwasher in person, much less used one to know whether they work. | ||
| Post# 1094395 , Reply# 8 10/24/2020 at 18:16 (1,278 days old) by IowaBear (Cedar Rapids, IA) | ||
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Post# 1094468 , Reply# 11 10/25/2020 at 11:28 (1,278 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 1094483 , Reply# 13 10/25/2020 at 13:04 (1,278 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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I have our hot water tank set just over 120 degs and run the kitchen faucet until it's hot (120) which is from anything I've read the minimum temperature required. The extra few degrees over is to compensate for the cooler water still in the line between the faucet and the dw, and because that initial input of hot water will lose some heat when it hits the tub itself. I've checked with a digital thermometer the temperature of the water while the machine is in the wash cycle and it's 120.
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| Post# 1094490 , Reply# 14 10/25/2020 at 14:45 (1,278 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
 I want to echo what IowaBear said. If there is a return to shorter cycles, then I suspect that detergents would need to be reformulated since they are designed to work effectively with longer cycles times.
I use the short cycle (1 hour) on my Maytag DW most of the time, and it cleans quite well. However, I used Cascade Fryer Boil Out (old school DW detergent with phosphates). That combo works really well. | ||
| Post# 1094556 , Reply# 17 10/25/2020 at 20:56 (1,277 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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That glass of wine tonight was just enough to make me spit out laughing at how ignorant "bus station ambiance" sounded in the year of our lord 2020 when LEDs have been well established and perfected to be, as henene put perfectly, Indistinguishable from incandescent bulbs. There's only one reason anyone thinks of LEDs as having a "doctor's office florescent color" and that's because Boomers pick up a box of bulbs with the word DAYLIGHT on them and think "ooo the sun! I want that in my house!" without paying any attention to the fact that 5000K color temperature, the light color of DAYLIGHT bulbs, is BLUE.
Every. Single. Light. Bulb. in our house is LED. Every one. Since we moved here in July I've single handedly replaced every mix-matched incandescent and CFL and daylight LED bulb in this house (seriously, the previous owners had to be mental to look around and think "yeah this looks nice") with proper soft white or bright white LED bulbs, depending on what room needs what. So, I snapped some quick candid photos of the kitchen and laundry room hall, plus a couple from earlier today. The only light fixture with a kelvin rating of higher than 2700K-3000K (normal living space lighting), is the laundry room light, which is a bright white bulb at 3200K. Kindly explain to me how any of this gives off fluorescent "bus stop" lighting? I used to actually have daylight bulbs only in the laundry room because of how easy it makes seeing stains on white clothing show up, but I got sick of how tiring it is to the eyes and replaced it with something warmer yet still white enough to show the stains. Seriously though, stop buying the d*mn daylight bulbs and then complaining about "bad" LED lighting. Once again, the general mood of this thread is people griping and moaning like old men screaming in their yards because "new is bad" and yet none of you have actually owned any of what you're complaining about. Let Whirlpool replace their dishwasher and laundry lineups with machines that use more water and energy than their current models and they'll lose a life long customer. Plus many many more when people notice the extra $ on their utility bills. We're quoting out a kitchen remodel right now in fact, and it's a specific goal that each appliance and fixture to be installed is as efficient as possible. Love the PowerClean, but it's going to be installed as a sort of "museum" piece in the butler's pantry strictly for sentimental reasons, but most assuredly not as a daily or even weekly driver. What will go in the kitchen will be either KitchenAid or Miele, or a mix of both. Should Miele beat the current lineup of WP/KitchenAids in energy and water usage by a considerable margin, a Miele dishwasher will absolutely sit alongside a mix-match KitchenAid kitchen. To those with modern dishwashers who aren't getting good results, have you tried reading the manuals and using the machines properly with good quality detergent and rinse aid? That's always a good place to start. Every time I come back to this site I remember why I forget about it for such long periods and why compared to years ago it's practically a ghost town because so many have abandoned it. If yall are so inseparable from your 20 gallon power meter spinning dishwashers, why are you here on a Modern Appliance thread and not over on Imperial dancing around an old Potscrubber? | ||
| Post# 1094583 , Reply# 18 10/25/2020 at 23:03 (1,277 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey) | ||
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Indistinguishable from incandescent bulbs. Driving around my area at night I can spot LED equipped homes a mile away. Interiors look like operating rooms, outside are lit up like prison yards. | ||
| Post# 1094587 , Reply# 19 10/26/2020 at 00:43 (1,277 days old) by murando531 (Augusta, Georgia - US) | ||
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Yes, as they are using, again, DAY. LIGHT. bulbs. 5000K color temperature bulbs. It has nothing to do with them being LED.
So anyway, modern dishwashers’ only problem today is a bad case of user error and user refusal to accept that it no longer requires 10+ gallons to wash a load of dishes. Same for modern washers. I’d give a hefty sum if I found a pristine KitchenAid Superba Selectra top load washer because I’d love to have it to remind me of the era I grew up in and use occasionally for the nostalgia. Would it replace my current Tier 3 efficiency rating front loader? Absolutely not, because my laundry comes out stain free and cleaner, more well rinsed, and certainly more spun dry than any top load agitator machine ever has or possibly could and looks fantastic while doing it. | ||
| Post# 1094622 , Reply# 21 10/26/2020 at 09:25 (1,277 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
Nobody’s brining the old stuff back 
Nothing short of President Camacho marching into Benton Harbor with militia in tow, is gonna bring back Direct Drive washers, or 12gal/cycle, big Gold Seal motor dishwashers.
http:\Notgonnahappen.com... Companies bringing back old platforms is patently anti-capitalist and anti-free market. With the way commodities prices have soared over the decades. How OEMs have outsourced all their motors and electronics etc. Labor costs are up. Supply chains are purely global. Goods are simultaneously more expensive to produce. People make less money today to buy those goods. Market pressures have pushed appliance prices to essentially stay the same. All those extra costs get absorbed somewhere. It’s in a company’s best interest to make the cheapest, lightest assembly as possible. For a couple reasons. They save the Co money. Many parts are thinner, lighter, cheaper. Yet usually durable enough. They’re easier to assemble. Faster. Smaller. Lighter to build and to ship, saving fuel. $$$ These smaller, lighter components have the market effect of keeping consumer price points low. Retail margins high, save customers money on the purchase and the life of the product which uses less energy and water. Since all the pumps and motors are smaller. Especially dishwashers, are quieter today. Which is practically what most customers shop on. No regular consumer today would buy a Hobart KA. It’s too expensive, resource hog, LOUD, won’t work well with today’s detergents. Heavy AF. They won’t want to pay 💰 for extra weight shipping. Which is ALWAYS passed on to the customer. No mfr today wants to build a large cast washer transmission today. Not even Speed Queen. The last thing a company wants to do is run a casting operation. Nor do they want to pay for one if they can get a unitized nylon splutch assembly. All’s it’s gots to do folks is live past the 1yr warranty point. So it’s cheaper to make, ship and sell a HE TL washer. That’s how they’re still hitting the sub-$500 price in this age. Making a DD throwback would never sell so cheaply today. It can’t. Less water and energy use = less costly construction. THAT’S on the mfr’s best interest, and mostly the the consumers too. So no relaxing of regulations is just gonna spring WP and GE back into yesteryear. The Korean and EU mfrs certainly will not build less efficient models. Their home markets and governments demand also they do not. As much as consumers whine about things, especially appliances, not being “built or performing as good as they used to. (Which I disagree with the 2nd statement) Rarely ever would they be willing ... or ABLE to pay for an appliance that would be built so rugged today to last so long. That’s why Speed Queen is so expensive. And why most people would still get the $499 Samsung deal. One thing I’m disappointed in is the abysmal warranty trend. But I guess mfrs shirking their responsibilities has given birth to a whole new extended warranty busine$$. So it’s in that new business’s interest to lobby and partner with the OEMs to keep their warranty points low. This is American business and unfettered (usually) free-market capitalism. This is what we’ve all been told is good. Is the best. This is what we all vote for. With our wallets and our ballots. This is our bed. Lie down. Enjoy. | ||
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Post# 1094624 , Reply# 22 10/26/2020 at 09:32 (1,277 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Led bulbs
There is totally no need for people to sit in blue light. I have only led lights and there is no difference with the past.
I have several of these. Color temperature is 2700, so very close to the incandescant light bulbs. www.ikea.com/us/en/p/ryet-led-bu... $0.99 per bulb, I think it's a bargain! | ||
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Post# 1094715 , Reply# 24 10/26/2020 at 20:40 (1,276 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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I find my LED lamps easily distinguisable from incandescent bulbs. They look FAR better!! Better color temperture and color rendering, no more dingy looking lighting.
Basing the look of indoor lighting on ultra high effiency roadway lighting is deeply flawed, but I suppose it could be used to attempt to sell an agenda. I've had a 100% LED lit home for about 12 years now. I couldn't be happier with it and so far I've only had one lamp fail me. | ||
| Post# 1094738 , Reply# 25 10/27/2020 at 00:16 (1,276 days old) by Infusor (Usa) | ||
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how about making dishwasher detergents that actually work? | ||
| Post# 1094819 , Reply# 29 10/27/2020 at 13:58 (1,276 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas) | ||
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