Thread Number: 85186
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Post# 1097028   11/14/2020 at 10:20 (1,229 days old) by lovestowash (St. Petersburg, FL)   |   | |
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Greetings! A few months back, I bought a Maytag MDB4949 dishwasher, to replace a Frigidaire. I chose this model for the self-cleaning filter feature. I have a water softener, and couldn't use the Cascade Platinum pacs in the Frigidaire due to foam. Still have the container of Cascade, and have been using them in the Maytag. 5 minutes after starting the cycle, I opened the washer to add a mug, and suds galore. Although it was closed, I popped open the dispenser to find the pac partially dissolved, and full of water. Is this common for Maytag? I've already swapped the machine out once, as the first one had a noisy pump. It's not a big deal, just curious if anyone else has had this experience.
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Post# 1097042 , Reply# 2   11/14/2020 at 12:04 (1,229 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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David- I've lived with in-house water softeners all my life and have never seen one that allows for adjustment in the softness of the water--and it is most certainly always super-soft coming out of the spigot. |
Post# 1097046 , Reply# 3   11/14/2020 at 12:21 (1,229 days old) by lovestowash (St. Petersburg, FL)   |   | |
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Post# 1097047 , Reply# 4   11/14/2020 at 12:35 (1,229 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Post# 1097049 , Reply# 5   11/14/2020 at 13:07 (1,229 days old) by lovestowash (St. Petersburg, FL)   |   | |
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Post# 1097068 , Reply# 6   11/14/2020 at 18:47 (1,229 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Hi George and a big congratulations on your new DW
It is wonderful to have nice soft water for a DW, But these new premium DW tablets with their built in wetting agent can easily cause too much foaming in soft water, but this is again the great thing about soft water, you can use much cheaper liquid and powered detergents and still get great results, and you probably should not use rinse aid at all or at least set to the bare minimum level.
The tiny holes in the DD are designed to allow a little detergent to get out in the earlier parts of the cycle to improve performance, since most users are only using one tablet now a days, If you decide to skip the tablets use a little detergent in both cups but probably one TS max.
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Post# 1097090 , Reply# 7   11/14/2020 at 22:24 (1,229 days old) by lovestowash (St. Petersburg, FL)   |   | |
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I appreciate your input. But I suspect with this Maytag, the detergent will have dissolved in the initial wash/rinse. It just doesn't make sense to me. Are other dishwashers designed in a similar fashion? BTW, I chose the Maytag based on your recommendations. No second thoughts, no regrets...just puzzled.
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Post# 1097228 , Reply# 11   11/16/2020 at 09:17 (1,227 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Fairy is called Dreft overhere in the Netherlands. I've tried their tablets in my Miele dishwasher. They sudsed up so much that it sounded like the dishwasher was struggling. It finished the cycle without a problem, but I didn't like that sound at all, so that was the end of it. I never had such an experience with any other dishwasher product. I'm avoiding Dreft now like the plague! lol
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Post# 1097238 , Reply# 12   11/16/2020 at 10:00 (1,227 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 1097281 , Reply# 14   11/16/2020 at 14:15 (1,227 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1097284 , Reply# 15   11/16/2020 at 14:31 (1,227 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)   |   | |
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Do the vintage machines (the water hogs and the propeller type) cope any better with P&G's pods? |
Post# 1097287 , Reply# 16   11/16/2020 at 15:13 (1,227 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)   |   | |
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Post# 1097307 , Reply# 18   11/16/2020 at 17:48 (1,227 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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I've had very good results with Finish tabs in my Bosch DW. The water here is relatively soft, about 4 grains. For really dirty/full loads, sometimes I'll put an extra tab in the open silverware caddy. But not necessary for normal loads.
I recall using some Kirkland gel-packs a few years ago. They left the DW interior coated with precipitate. Not good. |
Post# 1097316 , Reply# 19   11/16/2020 at 18:55 (1,227 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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We have noticed this problem as well with Cascade Platinum tablets, they foam a lot in my 1987 WP PC DWs, the DW still works great and does not leak but I think it would work better without suds.
Our water is around 7 grains hardness.
My friend Tom Turbomatic suggested adding a simethicone [ 80 mg ] tablet with works great, but I do believe that P&G needs to get their act together.
John L. |
Post# 1097326 , Reply# 20   11/16/2020 at 20:37 (1,227 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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I've never experienced any excess sudsing in our dishwasher and I've used different Cascade tabs, Finish tabs of one type and another and Kirklands too.
Our city water comes straight out of Lake Huron as does Detroits, and Flints. I don't know what the hardness level is. But pretty much any city or town within 60 miles of any Great Lake should have the same water.. Interesting to see what others in the Great Lakes Basin have to say on it. |
Post# 1097415 , Reply# 22   11/17/2020 at 15:02 (1,226 days old) by lovestowash (St. Petersburg, FL)   |   | |
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David, that's good to know, and makes sense. I bought the Powerballs and will try them tonight. When I opened the machine after about 5 minutes using Cascade, still in the pre-rinse, there were suds, and I opened the dispenser. The pod had essentially dissolved, so I suspect in the main wash, the dispenser opens, and presents nothing but water.
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Post# 1097456 , Reply# 23   11/17/2020 at 19:31 (1,226 days old) by lovestowash (St. Petersburg, FL)   |   | |
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Running the Maytag on the "Auto" cycle, "High Temp" option, with a Powerball...no suds, and the initial rinse lasted 8-10 minutes...drained, then filled for the main wash...
heard the dispenser open, and the Powerball dropped (opened to ensure)...main wash lasted 5-6 minutes, less than the initial rinse...cycle is continuing on the "Auto" with "High Temp" option... interesting that each rinse is longer than the main wash...oh well, at least no suds... |
Post# 1097470 , Reply# 25   11/17/2020 at 23:02 (1,226 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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With my 1994 KUDI23 I have aborted using tabs or pods due to foaming with our softened water. The hard Finish powerball tabs get used occasionally with crystal and work ok but I prefer chlorine based detergents since my DW was designed to work with them at the time it was built. I use premiere powder or Palmolive eco gel...zero foam! |