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Thread Number: 85597
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A gripe about dishwasher detergent packs |
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Post# 1101470 12/21/2020 at 01:38 (1,215 days old) by Rapunzel  (Sydney) |
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| Post# 1101487 , Reply# 1 12/21/2020 at 09:59 (1,215 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass) | ||
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I've never liked them and have seen where some of the thicker plastic in the corners of the pods have gotten stuck in the spray arm nozzles!
Chuck | ||
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Post# 1101490 , Reply# 2 12/21/2020 at 10:14 (1,215 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 As I've mentioned in previous discussion of packs/pacs/pods, Cascade Platinum (admittedly the only product I've tried) causes excess sudsing to the point the pump gets starved for water. The spray arm rotation gets impaired by the layer of suds. Packs/pods won't fit in DishDrawer detergent dispensers, and the dispenser is a flow-through design which is flushed by the incoming water during fill so a pod wouldn't fully dissolve in there. Placing it on a side shelf or in the silverware basket, some of it does dissolve in the prewash ... usually not all so there is some left to carry into the main wash period. | ||
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Post# 1101497 , Reply# 3 12/21/2020 at 11:24 (1,215 days old) by philcobendixduo (San Jose) |
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I subscribe to his channel....
....and watched this video yesterday.
I was amazed how he lifted up the entire dishwasher and put it on the table. It goes to show how "plastic-y" these newer machines are. I doubt that he could have lifted a Kitchenaid KDS-18 onto a table by himself! I use Cascade Complete powder in my 26 year-old Maytag. No pre-rinsing when loading dishes. They always come out sparkling clean. Pods for dishes and laundry are just another "gimmick" to try and sell more product. I'll never use them. | ||
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Post# 1101696 , Reply# 6 12/22/2020 at 21:07 (1,213 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 1101794 , Reply# 7 12/24/2020 at 06:30 (1,212 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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An informative, enjoyable video; the dishwasher-hoist an attention-grabber.
However, I wonder if he ever opened the detergent compartment during the first drain to find water had breached the main wash's seal, partially dissolving the pac and releasing some its contents into the prewash? At least that’s what happens in my Whirlpool and the GE that preceded it. That used to bother me, as a couple of dishwashers I’ve owned—including the current 2017 Whirlpool—had both a prewash and a rinse prior to the main wash, meaning quite a bit of the pac’s cleaning power was down the drain before the main wash. I’d always imagined the pac dropped, dry and completely intact, into the main wash; but as long as the dishes and cookware emerge completely clean at cycle’s end—which they do—I’m happy. This post was last edited 12/24/2020 at 08:07 | ||
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Post# 1101796 , Reply# 8 12/24/2020 at 06:39 (1,212 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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Maybe I`m a bit biased in my European point of view, but I don`t see a big difference in the guy`s with or without detergent in the prewash comparison other than a negative impact on the environment from the second shot of detergent.
I`m surprised at how much the plain water washed off. Don`t know anyone personally who filled both cups or put a little extra on the door even when powders were the only format of automatic DW detergent. Maybe it just didn`t make much sense to do so in a cold 5 minute prewash cycle of early European DW. There seems to be a benefit when dealing with particularly greasy dishes, though. But a drop or two of regular hand dishwashing soap on the DW door will do. Besides, large amounts of grease and oil should always be wiped off with a paper towel or similar before loading the DW. | ||
| Post# 1101802 , Reply# 9 12/24/2020 at 09:25 (1,212 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
You should NEVER | ||
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Post# 1101805 , Reply# 10 12/24/2020 at 09:42 (1,212 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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DW Detergent Pods Generally work very well, but to get the best results I always put some regular [ Non-Pod ] detergent in the first open cup or put some on the door. This is very important if the load is greasy or has a lot of food soil.
I would never waste the time or paper to wipe grease off a pan, yes I drain large amounts of grease in a jar that gets recycled at a local restaurant with their used grease, but small amounts of grease in a DW gets emulsified with the detergent and actually breaks down very well whether in a septic tank or public sewer system.
Reply #1, Hi Rich, the plastic bits all of us techs have seen trapped in DW wash arms is not from detergent pods, current plastic-like coatings dissolve completely, some of the older pods where in plastic warpers that you had to unwrap, these would cause problems if you failed to remove the warper completely.
John L. | ||
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Post# 1101811 , Reply# 11 12/24/2020 at 10:45 (1,212 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Been using Finish Quantum Max tabs in the Bosch SHU43C for years. Works great, generally. Sometime I add a second pack to the cutlery basket if it's a very full and/or dirty load.
I tried some Costco/Kirkland pods a few years ago; they left a lot of deposit inside the tub. Don't know why. Might have been a drain pump issue too. | ||
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Post# 1101833 , Reply# 12 12/24/2020 at 13:14 (1,212 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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I've been using a teaspoon of powder on the door for years in my mom's Bosch dishwasher for years. That generation of Bosch dishwashers was notorious for grease deposits in the internal drain water path. Ours was clean even after years of heavy use.
Later, I used a drop of dishwashing liquid on the door of my own Bosch - never once had I an issue with suds. Granted, the loads were always full and dirty, so the squirt of detergent never had a chance to suds up. | ||
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Post# 1101864 , Reply# 13 12/24/2020 at 18:16 (1,211 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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I couldn't see any difference between the water washed vs. the load with some pre rinse detergent added because there wasn't any. He couldn't either so had to talk himself and his audience into seeing something that wasn't there to fit the video's purpose. We've been using pods for years and years with no problems whatsoever | ||
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Post# 1101924 , Reply# 15 12/25/2020 at 07:46 (1,211 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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When using dishsoap in the prewash you have to use common sense of course.
It`s not that hard to judge the oil level of dirty dishes and find the sweet spot where some emulsion happens without generating a suds problem. Actually much easier than judging the perfect dose of laundry detergent because you normally can`t see what amount of body oils are trapped in the fibers. Anyway my point was that DW pods or tabs work very well on their own and there`s no real difference in the video to see. The pancake batter bowl even looks worse after a prewash with detergent vs the one without. Also never had a problem with clogged up waterways or airgaps in any DW ever, but this might be because anything that dirty that I wouldn`t like to put directly in a sink full of hot sudsy water doesn`t go in my DW without wiping off or even prerinsing when necessary. But that`s only me. We all use our appliances differently and if a DW has to serve as a food waste disposer a single shot of pods or tabs may not be enough. This post was last edited 12/25/2020 at 08:57 | ||
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Post# 1101939 , Reply# 16 12/25/2020 at 11:19 (1,211 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA) |
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Yeah, methinks he's finding a distinction without a difference--I've never pulled my dishes out at 15 minutes to evaluate cleaning....I normally wait the assigned 2:10 to evaluate cleaning LOL. Every so often I'll find a fleck on a dish--I clean the filter every 5 washes or so (more out of morbid curiosity)...if it's been a realllly greasy load there's often a trace of grease on the filter components (Bosch) but normally slick as a whistle. There's definitely a difference between our Bosch in Detroit with softened city water and our GE with unsoftened desert hard water in our condo in Palm Springs, mostly on the sediment on the fine filter---the Bosch has a pleated metal filter, the GE has an unpleated plastic filter which has more sediment (probably limescale) in one wash than the Bosch in 5.
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Post# 1101947 , Reply# 17 12/25/2020 at 12:16 (1,211 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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His video was a little long but for the most part he hit all the high points.
I have long been advising my friends that a small amount of detergent should be added to the first wash if one is using a pack in the main wash dispenser. It just makes sense to not waste that cycle by turning it into a prerinse. A bit of gel in the sump and a Cascade Platinum pack in the dispenser works wonders for me. Somehow with my machine and water I don't have foaming problems that Glenn mentioned. The Finish Packs with the red power ball were a different story, they were like hand diswashing detergent. Those packs got the kitchen floor clean and shiny after the cleanup! | ||
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Post# 1102004 , Reply# 18 12/25/2020 at 20:12 (1,210 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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I'm strictly a Cascade Platinum pod user, no extra detergent and get outstanding results every time. Will not switch to any other product for daily use. I have been using some Finish gel I picked up cheap when I run the shelves and bins from the refrigerator through the DW and any odd things that are only slightly dirty. | ||
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Post# 1102125 , Reply# 20 12/27/2020 at 01:48 (1,209 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ) |
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I've always found that a teaspoon or so of detergent on the door for the prewash results in cleaner dishes no matter where I am or what machine........ | ||
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Post# 1102176 , Reply# 21 12/27/2020 at 11:04 (1,209 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany) |
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| Post# 1102204 , Reply# 22 12/27/2020 at 14:15 (1,209 days old) by iej (.... ) | ||
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That’s a remarkably light dishwasher | ||
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Post# 1102251 , Reply# 23 12/27/2020 at 22:29 (1,208 days old) by marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin) |
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Reply #14 Hi James
I found that the Fairy Platinum Plus pacs I purchased in March this year didn't suds up anything like they used to. I tested this in several dishwashers in several countries and got the same result when tested against slightly older Platinum Plus pacs I still had.
I have found that some pacs seem to suds up very badly if dispensed into cold or cool water. But if they are dispensed into warmer water (around 50 °C or 120 °F) then they don't seem to suds at all, or only a little. If there is food residue, especially oil, then this also seems to stop them from sudsing.
Exposed heating elements do not need to be immersed in the wash water. Having the water circulating and falling over and around the element works fine and all the element's heat goes into the water.
The filters in Euro dishwashers do a good job of preventing debris from circulating and then most of it is flushed away during the drain. Generally no cleaning of the filter is needed, or rarely. But that's as long as you're not putting larger chunks of food in or large volumes of food. A few tablespoons of cooked rice should disappear by the end of the cycle, but a couple of cups of rice can overwhelm the filter and may take a few cycles to be flushed away.
All of my machines in the US have self-cleaning filter systems (they all work in very different ways to each other) and they all filter the circulating water just as well as a European machine except for my GE Potscrubbers -- they chop everything up and circulate all of it over the dishes. But there is a filter at rear of the tub that slowly but surely catches the circulating debris and stores it in its holding tank which is flushed during every drain.
My Whirlpool Power Clean dishwasher can gobble up massive amounts of large and hard food waste and it is all chopped up and held in the accumulator and is not sprayed onto the dishes. It is all flushed away during the drain.
Here is tonight's load in the Whirlpool. For this load I used one Cascade Complete pac only. Nothing for the prewash this time.
Interestingly, CR rates detergent pacs higher than liquids and powders (although they don't test powders anymore). I assume they only use one pac per load of course. While Cascade powders and liquid say to fill both the prewash and main wash cups completely -- which I assume CR does. Yet pacs and tablets still win. But I do still regularly use powder too. | ||
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Post# 1102258 , Reply# 24 12/28/2020 at 00:31 (1,208 days old) by marky_mark (From Liverpool. Now living in Palm Springs and Dublin) |
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Here are the results of tonight's load using only 1 Cascade Complete pac (which both CR and even Cascade themselves say do not work as well as Cascade Platinum pacs). Everything turned out perfect except for the pan used to cook sambar (Indian lentil dish). Although the pan is clean, there is a white/blue stain. This seems to happen when cooking certain foods -- lentils being one of them. Would it have been removed had I added detergent to the prewash and perhaps used the pots & pans cycle? Maybe. I don't know yet. But I'm currently experimenting with different machines, cycles and detergents to see what combination (if any) can always remove these stains.
Happy dishwashing, Mark | ||
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Post# 1102264 , Reply# 25 12/28/2020 at 01:47 (1,208 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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I'll chime in --I have not rinsed a dish in years. No reason to do so with the new detergents.Why waste water? As stated previously my dishes come out spotless. | ||
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Post# 1102266 , Reply# 26 12/28/2020 at 02:00 (1,208 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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