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Post# 1101810   12/24/2020 at 10:32 (1,216 days old) by EEMac (Olympia, WA)        

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Top load washers seem to have made a comeback!

Back in 2017 I was in the market for a new washer. There were almost no top loaders available in Home Depot, you had to hunt to find them, and the options weren't great. (The Roper TL with agitator probably would probably have been fine.) I special-ordered a SQ TL from an appliance store.

In late December 2020, we made a trip to Home Depot, and it's about 50/50 top load/front load washers now. The TLs are right out front and easy to find! And although there are some wash plate models, I was pleased to see quite a few with central agitators.

So at least in Washington state, top loaders seem to be back in fashion. Is it the same elsewhere in the US?





Post# 1101812 , Reply# 1   12/24/2020 at 10:56 (1,216 days old) by oldschool88 (NJ)        

Same here in NJ, the big box stores have about 50/50 mix of top loaders and front loaders on the floor. The top loaders are disposable junk, life expectancy can be estimated at comprehensive warranty term + 1 month. Flimsy suspension rods & springs, transmission (for those that have one) made out of recycled beer cans, etc.

If I need to replace my old Maytag, it'll be either a Speed Queen LWN432 (water level hack) or a used Maytag DC.


Post# 1101816 , Reply# 2   12/24/2020 at 11:34 (1,216 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Top Loaders for Me

My next purchase will probably be another top loader. My top picks right now are still the Speed Queen TC5, Maytag mvwp575gw, and options by Laundry Alternatives right now.

I like my Maytag mvwp575gw. For the difference in price, you get the extended warranty, easier to repair, and a little better build quality. It has enough water, excellent wash action, and the main washes do have tap hot. Maytag needs to add either a water level selector or at least have a half tub fill option for Powerwash, Delicates, and Mixed. It is a modular vertical washer (mvw). Although the design is not as well built, it is easier for people like me to repair. Also, the parts are used in several of their models, which can make them easier to find and bring the cost down some. It also only cost me $50 to get someone out here to look at the Maytag (or Speed Queen), the preferred brands where I live. I could probably replace almost everything except the bearings (cheap part but labor intensive and costly to hire someone to do it for me).

Interestingly enough, the Magic Chef washer for $200 (what I paid before the pandemic), is impressive for small loads of clothing. It would be easy to replace the drain pump and a few other parts too.

The reason these are disposable is because it often costs almost half the cost of the washer to replace the gear case or control panel. I'm of the opinion, that people concerned about energy use and our environment needs to look further into cost of repairing these appliances and encouraging better build quality. Also, I wish they still offered a simple, basic mechanical model.



Post# 1101817 , Reply# 3   12/24/2020 at 11:42 (1,216 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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I think the return of pole-type agitator in many HE machines is driving sales of HE top-loaders. Granted, some of them do little more than provide cosmetic reassurance to prospective buyers who refuse to consider a front-loader, but a few of the newest models—Maytag’s Commercial machine, the new LG, and the dual-action agitators in the budget line from Amana and Estate appear to be very effective in turning a load over.

I like my 2017 SQ top-loader, but am still a front-loader guy at heart.


Post# 1101824 , Reply# 4   12/24/2020 at 12:03 (1,216 days old) by ea56 (Cotati, Calif.)        

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I love my Roper RTW4516FW TL with DA agitator.  I’ve had it for 2 years this month, not one problem, malfunction or strange noise.  Just dependable performance, thoroughly washed and rinsed laundry in quick time for a modest price.  It may not last forever, but then, what does anymore?  And there’s nothing temperamental about this simple washing machine.  Just set the controls for Auto Sense, Regular/Normal, Hot water, press start and 34 mins later the load is finished.  Works for me.

 

I loved the old style FL’s before the computer boards and algorithms ruined a good thing. 

 

Eddie


Post# 1101843 , Reply# 5   12/24/2020 at 14:13 (1,216 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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a lot of impellor machines are adding a center shaft, to give the appearance of a traditional TL machine...some people think they are like machines built 20 years ago....longevity of many has yet to be seen....

@ Michael, we need to get you to join us at a few Wash-In events...


Post# 1102107 , Reply# 6   12/26/2020 at 22:55 (1,214 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

"I'm of the opinion, that people concerned about energy use and our environment needs to look further into cost of repairing these appliances and encouraging better build quality."

I agree, but that'd be a hard sell. Most people seem only to want the words "green", "natural", and "small carbon footprint" associated with their appliance purchase. It's amazing how many people have no idea what a "carbon footprint" is, much less that the disposal of an old appliance has one.


Post# 1102132 , Reply# 7   12/27/2020 at 05:32 (1,213 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
wonder what those new models look like?

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i do agree with warmsecond rinse and i do miss when appliances where made to last like this machine plus on older vintage ear washer you had the instruction and wash care label printed on the lid on some models with recommended wash rinse temp and wash time today its mostly colored pics or have to refer online or get the instruction manuals on internet plus controls where easy to read and there was no atc to control wash rinse temp for the water you had true war water when chosing warm wash hot water for hot water wash and depending on what needs to be wash or more delicate fabric cold water hot warm water was not mix with cold water plus on some models like the pic lint filters where effective and with some models depending on the brand like the one i am using as an exemple or load size you had the mini basket option.

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Post# 1102144 , Reply# 8   12/27/2020 at 08:46 (1,213 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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wow, that must have been TOL at Eaton's.

Post# 1102155 , Reply# 9   12/27/2020 at 09:51 (1,213 days old) by Washninja (Texas)        

+1.. I recently purchased the new LG Top Loader with Agitator. I have observed a very good wash action, and the tub will fill with water all the way over the top fins. Let me know if you have any questions about it.

Full cycle video





Post# 1102328 , Reply# 10   12/28/2020 at 18:06 (1,212 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

#8

I remember Eaton's. I got some good clothes there...... I also picked up some killer Priape jeans, although I have a feeling that was at a store on St. Denis.

Speaking of Montreal, if you want a cute movie, check out "Mambo Italiano". It's set in Montreal Nord around Duplessis and Lacordaire. They have the Italian background perfect, lol! Like the characters could be my ex's cousins and I swear it was shot on their block. Very light & fluffy with a HAPPY ending. Boy gets Boy.

#7

Pic 3 is just a bit too dark for me to make out. Any chance of a pic that lets us read all the controls, esp. the ones on the left? Merci Beaucoup.


Post# 1103005 , Reply# 11   1/3/2021 at 12:46 (1,206 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
where did you read that toploads are returning?

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where did you rad that topload are making a return?

Post# 1103027 , Reply# 12   1/3/2021 at 16:56 (1,206 days old) by twintubdexter (Palm Springs)        

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Top load washers aren't making a "return" because they never went anywhere to begin with, now or in the foreseeable future.  Wake up and smell the Downey Ultra Fresh.


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Post# 1103113 , Reply# 13   1/4/2021 at 10:56 (1,205 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I reccomended

a front loader to my stepson and hid gal for their new house. However, I also told them it might dance more in their main floor laundery over the basement. I said thry'd need large anti slip friction pads at least, especially with a pededstal, which raises the center of gravity. New houses aren't nearly as strong in the floor truss area either. They opted for a Samsung top loader with tall agitator.

Post# 1122789 , Reply# 14   7/9/2021 at 14:52 (1,019 days old) by EEMac (Olympia, WA)        
Top loaders for the win!

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The Olympia, WA Home Depot is now basically ALL top-loaders. There's literally a couple of front-loaders tucked as far from the main aisle as possible.

Even better: real water level selectors are showing up again *with full-color marketing copy*!

We're almost back to where we were in the Good Decades. :- ) All we need now is true hot-water fills and a warm-water rinse option. Anything else we're missing?


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Post# 1122790 , Reply# 15   7/9/2021 at 15:00 (1,019 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Speed Queen TC5 and Maytag mvwp575gw Water Level

Hope the next models of the two washers will include the water level feature.

Maytag should go back to the tried and true models everyone liked instead of the vmw and hung suspension.


Post# 1122795 , Reply# 16   7/9/2021 at 16:16 (1,019 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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That's ok, I'd much rather have a front loader with a heater to boost water temperatures than a shredding toploader that causes my monthly sewer bill to increase and my water consumption rate to increase per unit because I use so much more water.

Post# 1122802 , Reply# 17   7/9/2021 at 17:41 (1,019 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Hung suspension ... the beloved Whirlpool/Kenmore belt-drive toploaders from the 1950s to mid 1980s had the tub hanging on suspension rods, oscillation dampened via rubber balls.


Post# 1122804 , Reply# 18   7/9/2021 at 18:28 (1,019 days old) by agiflow ()        

I have no problem with the hung suspension after a full year with my Amana. Just wish it had more options for soil settings.

I've done about 40 or so videos of my Amana and the balancing while once in awhile will hit the tub with something heavy on one side, but it will still straighten out and spin the load fine.

It's been an all around very decent performer.


Post# 1122808 , Reply# 19   7/9/2021 at 18:56 (1,019 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
PinkPower4

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I believe the new Speed Queen TC7 they are developing would have a water level selector.

Post# 1122810 , Reply# 20   7/9/2021 at 19:11 (1,019 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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They only have top loaders on display because all the front loaders have been sold. :)

Post# 1122822 , Reply# 21   7/9/2021 at 22:58 (1,019 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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Front loaders may save water but aren’t good if you don’t like doing back bending or getting on your knees to load the machine.

Post# 1122829 , Reply# 22   7/10/2021 at 01:44 (1,019 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Well Sean, I'm physically challenged and it's far easier for me to access the front loader than the top loader. It's actually no different than me getting to my FRONT LOAD MAYTAG Dependable DRYER!!!

Post# 1122836 , Reply# 23   7/10/2021 at 03:43 (1,018 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
There's also the

GE gtw525ACPWB. It too has great wash action. I'm sure it has a sturdy cabinet too.

Post# 1122837 , Reply# 24   7/10/2021 at 03:51 (1,018 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
We need

filter-flo and minibasket back again!

Post# 1122838 , Reply# 25   7/10/2021 at 03:54 (1,018 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
Dear GE...

Bring back the filter-flo and minibasket! Signed, once loyal fan of yours!

Post# 1122839 , Reply# 26   7/10/2021 at 05:11 (1,018 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Please lawd, give our American friends some European toploaders so they get some relief from all the complaining about frontloaders. lol

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Post# 1122845 , Reply# 27   7/10/2021 at 06:38 (1,018 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Bring back the WP SURGILATOR!!!BD!!!SCRAP the VMW CRAP!!!!!Would LOVE to drive a dozer thru the VMW production lines!!!!

Post# 1122846 , Reply# 28   7/10/2021 at 06:58 (1,018 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
have this washer now its a top load but so far pretty good

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i have this maytag topload washer now that replace a duet washer dryer set because the dryer broke and so far i can say its pretty good, but i would love to see the return of mechanical timer models and less electronics in the machines see pic 2 and 3 as reference pic 1 and 2 are maytags but pic 3 dial pic is from an inglis direct drive washer

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Post# 1122852 , Reply# 29   7/10/2021 at 08:18 (1,018 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ)        

#26

So can you buy TL washer & dryer pairs??????

#21 & 22

My problem with FL's is that I'm not a hobbit. However much I might like FL's from a mechanical/technical perspective, my body wants nothing to do with them.

Put it this way: My bathroom sink is on legs and stands 42"... And it's awesome!


Post# 1122853 , Reply# 30   7/10/2021 at 08:27 (1,018 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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"So can you buy TL washer & dryer pairs?????? "

Some brands sell topload dryers too.


Post# 1122868 , Reply# 31   7/10/2021 at 14:38 (1,018 days old) by agiflow ()        

What problem are you having with your machine Rex ? While not the ideal modern top load agitator machines they DO perform quite well.I've been blessed with the one I got.

Post# 1122903 , Reply# 32   7/10/2021 at 23:33 (1,018 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

Top loaders never went anywhere or "out of fashion." The models just got worse and worse as the years progressed.

The only comebacks as of now I picked up on are in the following categories:

AP: Agipeller
I: Impeller

Softest Suspension: GE and Samsung.

Most Useless "Agitator" Design: Whirlpool (AP) and Samsung (AP).

Full Tub Fills With Near 0 Movement: Whirlpool (AP and I) and Samsung.

Horrid Spray Rinses: Whirlpool (AP and I) and Samsung.

Most Explosions: Samsung.

Actually Has Cleaning Potential: LG (AP and I), BOL dual action Whirlpool, commercial dual action Maytag, GE dual action, GE agipeller and Speed Queen TC5.

Biggest Platform/Design Downgrade: Whirlpool and Speed Queen.






Post# 1122904 , Reply# 33   7/10/2021 at 23:48 (1,018 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Problems with my Maytag Centennial---Clothes wrapping,EXCESSIVE drain cycle-The pump is sucking dry for a few min.Takes TOO LONG to fill.Need to balance it manually so the machine can spin.Oh how I want another WP Surgilator Imperial or a Hotpoint GE Rim-filter flow!These machines did a BETTER job and in less time with NO help from me!Even a wringer machine would be better than the abomination I now have!

Post# 1122910 , Reply# 34   7/11/2021 at 01:42 (1,018 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        
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Those newer Whirlpool machines can be real screwy at times same with the technology crap of today which is all style and NO substance and usually are slower than molasses when it goes through it’s various cycles. If I made machines and yes I’d use the old Whirlpool belt drive design, I would not even bother with electronic controls since machines with electronic controls tend to have unsatisfactory washing and rinsing performance and tend to break down sooner than is necessary.

Post# 1122921 , Reply# 35   7/11/2021 at 06:20 (1,017 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Wish Speed Queen would go back to the mechanical "analog" controls,too.Boards are just an invitation to failure!The mechanical controls can last decades!!

Post# 1122938 , Reply# 36   7/11/2021 at 08:38 (1,017 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Rex, you said in another thread that your VMW isn't agitating properly ... agitator spinning around in one direction instead of oscillating?  A possible cause of that is a bad motor capacitor.  Spin performance can also be affected.  A simple fix for someone with your skills.


Post# 1123024 , Reply# 37   7/12/2021 at 00:10 (1,017 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Spin is normal.The agitator is normal-There is a weird fast short stroke agitate cycle at the beginning and end of the wash agitate cycle.During that fast mode is when I get the wrapping and tangling.So I have to stand by and unwrap the agitator from its "sarongs".Also I have to balance the load manually at spin otherwise I get the "shake&spin" the washer does a "dance"Oh how I want another WP-Kn BD machine or another GE/Hotpoint Rim-filter flow washer!Maybe a SQ washer in my future!ANYTHING but the VMW HORROR!Another thought-the agitator in the machine seems like the ones used in DD machines-maybe the older style DA agitator used in BD machines should have been used.And the machine needs a tub brake so the tub isn't moving during agitate.Think this may contribute to its ills.

Post# 1123027 , Reply# 38   7/12/2021 at 00:39 (1,017 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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The "intent" for the end of agitate period fast short stroke is to help redistribute/balance the load in preparation for spin.

Post# 1123030 , Reply# 39   7/12/2021 at 01:42 (1,017 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Wondering if you're underloading.  Contrary to what seems intuitive, too small of a load for the fill level can cause items to bunch-up together instead of distributing properly ... like what can happen on a spin-drain machine when the load is too small, floats and congregates together when spin starts. Some VMW models have a proper dual-action agitator with independently rotating auger, some don't.


Post# 1123037 , Reply# 40   7/12/2021 at 06:48 (1,016 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Mine has the idependent turning auger.The fast strokes just makes it worse.Would like to see that "feature" go or say if you could switch it out.

Post# 1123047 , Reply# 41   7/12/2021 at 09:01 (1,016 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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You can switch the agitator to a different style.  Find a VMW model with the type of agitator you want, look up the part number and order one from a parts supplier, or used from eBay, etc.


Post# 1123117 , Reply# 42   7/12/2021 at 19:33 (1,016 days old) by agiflow ()        

All of the one piece porcelain tubs of the vmw design can use any of the agitators of the older DD washers as they have the same tubs and agitator spline so ANY of them should fit. I just ordered by typing in agitator replacement for Whirlpool washers or Whirlpool flex vane agitator. The single actions work well in these.

Post# 1123118 , Reply# 43   7/12/2021 at 19:41 (1,016 days old) by agiflow ()        

I don't know if this will work but here ya go Rex.

www.amazon.com/dp/B08CL43...


Post# 1123159 , Reply# 44   7/13/2021 at 13:21 (1,015 days old) by agiflow ()        

Meant to say *if the link works. The agitator will definitely.

Post# 1123348 , Reply# 45   7/15/2021 at 13:27 (1,013 days old) by maytaga806 (Howell, Michigan)        

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There really wasn’t a comeback. They’ve offered top load models ever since HE corrupted the industry. Whirlpool for example has gotten lazy as we’ve known for some time, and recently they brought the look of a two piece agitator back for some of the models. In which the lower piece has a joke for fins, and the agitation driven by these motors are weak compared to the classic Direct Drives. It’s essentially a wash plate with a dual action clothes mover stuck on the center of it which makes it appear like a classic agitator, but couldn’t be farther away than one. The only top loader nowadays that will clean clothes is the new LG model which was mentioned. I have no clue if it’s reliable, I’m not the person to ask that question. It was cool to see the belt driven whirlpools with the same dual action surgilator that they used for decades with the DD machines, but since then WP has gotten very lazy with washers upon the downfall effect from high efficiency coming into play many many years ago now.

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Post# 1123349 , Reply# 46   7/15/2021 at 13:29 (1,013 days old) by maytaga806 (Howell, Michigan)        
Tolivac…

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Straight up facts!!!!

Post# 1123371 , Reply# 47   7/15/2021 at 20:00 (1,013 days old) by agiflow ()        

To reply #45 your "facts" are a little short sighted. The Amana will wash as well or better than most of what LG offers as a top loader. I've used my machine for over a year now and have filmed over 40 loads with the machine.

The truth is many of the old beloved machines you won't be able to get parts for anymore unless you can somehow fabricate parts or find other machines to swap out.

The only way things get better is if we demand better. Why don't we all flood Whirlpool with emails demanding better quality ?


Post# 1123502 , Reply# 48   7/17/2021 at 07:58 (1,011 days old) by Rapunzel (Sydney)        

I would like the top loader designs available in Brazil sold here. They have some pretty nifty designs and the styling is very contemporary. We get top loaders from Asia, why not Brazil?

I still don’t understand why Fisher & Paykel have discontinued their top loading washers in the US. Their top loaders are good performers.



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