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Thread Number: 85683
/ Tag: Modern Dishwashers
Trump administration sued over dishwasher efficiency |
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Post# 1102459 12/29/2020 at 21:32 (1,207 days old) by Joe_in_philly  (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Trump administration sued over plans to make dishwashers less efficient
I will be surprised if dishwashers are allowed to become less efficient. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Joe_in_philly's LINK This post was last edited 12/29/2020 at 21:56 | ||
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Post# 1102472 , Reply# 1 12/29/2020 at 23:54 (1,207 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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Post# 1102473 , Reply# 2 12/29/2020 at 23:57 (1,207 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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I posted something but better remain silent, I forgot this is AWO and not all opinions are welcome. By the way, as it's political, shouldn't this thread be in a different category? | ||
| Post# 1102478 , Reply# 3 12/30/2020 at 00:25 (1,207 days old) by qsd-dan (West) | ||
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Post# 1102483 , Reply# 4 12/30/2020 at 06:29 (1,207 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 1102492 , Reply# 5 12/30/2020 at 10:36 (1,206 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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| Post# 1102510 , Reply# 7 12/30/2020 at 12:46 (1,206 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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Post# 1102521 , Reply# 8 12/30/2020 at 13:51 (1,206 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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10% Just allowing for 10% more energy consumption will allow for slightly higher wash temperatures again, and will make a big difference. There are far more worse concerns that we should have at this point than allowing 10% more energy consumption. | ||
| Post# 1102585 , Reply# 11 12/30/2020 at 20:39 (1,206 days old) by sfh074 ( ) | ||
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Isn't this why ..... we love and gravitate towards older DW's .... say for instance the KA-18 thru 20 something that people here are always talking about? More water, more power?? Cleaner dishes in way less time??? A huge bob load and still does a great job???? Just sayin ... | ||
| Post# 1102626 , Reply# 12 12/31/2020 at 07:34 (1,206 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
just my 2 cents here
just adding my 2 cents here most newer dishwasher today requires running hot water from the tap first before running the dishwasher but with the kitchenaid kdefe204kps because of the high temp wash option or sensor wash(prowash) i do not have to do that since i also use sani rinse but what would you do if during 2021 you find in mint condition vintage dishwashers like these? credit to members whopic i saved and using
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| Post# 1102632 , Reply# 13 12/31/2020 at 10:28 (1,205 days old) by Jerrod_Six (Eastern Pennsylvania, USA) | ||
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I don't mind the efficiency of mine as it is 2.7 gallons for the normal cycle, 3.6 gallons for pots and pans and everything gets clean in 2 to 2 1/2 hours. I don't need to run the faucet first either; so I don't see anything wrong with the regulations. I wouldn't want them any tighter though. | ||
| Post# 1102634 , Reply# 14 12/31/2020 at 10:33 (1,205 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Every dishwasher user guide since I can recall, like in 1975 said to run hot water at the tap before starting the cycle. | ||
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Post# 1102650 , Reply# 15 12/31/2020 at 11:56 (1,205 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Tap purge | ||
| Post# 1102664 , Reply# 16 12/31/2020 at 14:20 (1,205 days old) by Jerrod_Six (Eastern Pennsylvania, USA) | ||
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My manual gives time estimates for 120F and 50F so I don't bother running the hot before I start it. If it's already hot that's good, if it is cold it doesn't seem to bother it. | ||
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Post# 1102689 , Reply# 17 12/31/2020 at 18:16 (1,205 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The only reference my user manual has to water supply temperature is on the cycle description page with an advisory that cycle time can vary per various factors such as incoming water temperature, ambient conditions, type of load, and whether the machine is opened during the cycle. Wash times are only APPROXIMATE on the Electronic Display and based on 120°F incoming water. The installation instructions say that maximum supply temperature is (should not exceed) 140°F. | ||
| Post# 1102779 , Reply# 20 1/1/2021 at 15:47 (1,204 days old) by Jerrod_Six (Eastern Pennsylvania, USA) | ||
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Perc-o-prince This is the DW I have. What do you think of the Sensor Wash vs Normal or Pots and Pans? | ||
| Post# 1102799 , Reply# 21 1/1/2021 at 18:19 (1,204 days old) by Good-Shepherd (New Jersey) | ||
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Here is a radical idea. Manufacturers sell both types of DW's and let the market decide. | ||
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Post# 1102811 , Reply# 22 1/1/2021 at 19:47 (1,204 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Amount of money saved by average household over lifespan of newest and most energy efficient dishwashers isn't great. Much will depend upon local utility and water rates average consumer pays, but still it isn't as if machines come anywhere near repaying even 1/3 of cost.
Larger issue isn't consumers but society. Dishwashers like washing machines have gone from a luxury to pretty much standard mod con in most households. Thus energy used effects not just individual households, but governments overall as new power plants or other sources of energy must be created to run these appliances and of course heat water used. Factor into this the push to reduce carbon emissions and you can see where things are going. appliance-standards.org/product/... CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK | ||
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Post# 1102812 , Reply# 23 1/1/2021 at 19:50 (1,204 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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| Post# 1102879 , Reply# 26 1/2/2021 at 10:54 (1,203 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806) | ||
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| Post# 1102911 , Reply# 28 1/2/2021 at 17:02 (1,203 days old) by Jerrod_Six (Eastern Pennsylvania, USA) | ||
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Questions Thanks, Chuck. I do have some things I want to compare, so I'll send an E-mail. | ||
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Post# 1102956 , Reply# 29 1/2/2021 at 22:20 (1,203 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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I hope they do the same thing with washers and dryers. | ||
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Post# 1102957 , Reply# 30 1/2/2021 at 22:21 (1,203 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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It would be cool if GE brought back the filter-flos. | ||
| Post# 1102981 , Reply# 33 1/3/2021 at 06:58 (1,203 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
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2021 how would you see a washer dryer like this?
in 2021 but more modern but with the vintage look and charm and easiness with true wash rinse temp no atc or automatic sensor where you set the wash time mechanical timers manuel water level ect ge filter flo kenmore with all vintage agitator including rotoswirl classic whirlpool inglis with classic surgilator ect pic is a canadien vintage eaton viking but they are made by ge
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| Post# 1103088 , Reply# 35 1/4/2021 at 00:57 (1,202 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
I agree. Make them only energy efficient on the "NORMAL" cycles, which most people would use anyway. But people who sometimes need the washers/dishwashers to use lots of water or higher temps, it's there to use if needed. Or, make them less energy efficient, build them to last longer so it will save resources which will cancel out the xtra energy it uses. Probably won't happen. The companies have been cheapening things every year and will probably continue to..Besides, people seem to want to upgrade every few years anyway.
Not me. I used to love the thought of getting a new washer/dryer. Not anymore. I want what I have to last and so far, my Duet will be SIXTEEN years old this April | ||
| Post# 1103099 , Reply# 36 1/4/2021 at 06:18 (1,202 days old) by maytaga806 (Howell, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 1103100 , Reply# 37 1/4/2021 at 06:20 (1,202 days old) by maytaga806 (Howell, Michigan) | ||
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As much as I stand with him, I think he should be more concerned about HE washers and how much time energy and water they waste. That’s a bigger concern than dishwashers as far as I’m concerned. Dishwashers haven’t been corrupted the same way washers were when the HE came around many many years ago....
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