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Post# 1102599 , Reply# 1   12/30/2020 at 21:55 (1,205 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 1102600 , Reply# 2   12/30/2020 at 22:01 (1,205 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Matt, have you checked the dead ones for root size? It's very common for two or three plants that have been growing in teeny tiny starter pots to be placed into one larger pot so they appear to be a single large plant. Often they haven't even sent out roots past the their little spongy block of growing medium.
I've had the same problem as you, and won't buy poinsettias anymore unless I know they're a single, mature plant (6" pot at the smallest) that can adapt to something other than a hothouse environment. What you find mostly today are intended to be throw-away plants.
Poinsettias will grow happily outdoors in my area with a bit of protection from frost, but you have to start with a plant that has a decent sized, healthy root system. My friend has three of them going now, two in pots and one in the ground, and they are thriving. He planted them a year ago. My great aunt had a big one in her front yard. When I lived in Santa Monica, a poinsettia from the adjacent property was taller than my second floor apartment balcony, and huge blooming branches were resting against the top of the balcony railing.
These plants are not hard to grow, and they grow fast, but when you consider they may have a root system the size of a 2" pot, once plants like that are out of a hot house with perfect growing conditions, all bets are off. |
Post# 1102609 , Reply# 3   12/30/2020 at 23:25 (1,205 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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My parents lived in Riverside, CA for a while during WWII and they used to tell us about the Poinsettia and Geranium hedges they had in their yard. |
Post# 1102612 , Reply# 5   12/30/2020 at 23:51 (1,205 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)   |   | |
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Post# 1102658 , Reply# 7   12/31/2020 at 12:30 (1,204 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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I have never known there was any other species than suicidal. Hoping against hope, I've bought them time and again only to have two brown leaves left by Christmas. I love the flower, especially when they are BIG or smaller in big numbers.
Many years ago, my sis worked for an indoor green-scaping company. They had the contract for the newest and largest of shopping malls and tended to the poinsettias at the holidays. They'd throw out a couple dozen a day that had passed. Some were murdered by patrons, but most just withered and got whisked away. |
Post# 1102669 , Reply# 9   12/31/2020 at 15:03 (1,204 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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When I still had plants, I had the problem that they never died on me. I never liked them but people like giving them around Christmas. I believe the secret is that they don't like being in the sun. And they don't like a lot of water. They are best kept in pots and then you give them a soak once a week. After the soak you let them drip out. That should be enough.
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Post# 1102718 , Reply# 11   1/1/2021 at 07:40 (1,204 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)   |   | |
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put them in a dark place overnight. They like 12 hrs. of light, 12 of dark. They bloomed into February. They are grown in Ontario in hot houses. That may be part of the priblem. |
Post# 1102819 , Reply# 12   1/1/2021 at 20:31 (1,203 days old) by RickC (New Jersey)   |   | |
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and the trip home from the store is often enough exposure to cold weather to cause them to drop their leaves. We have had the most success with buying on mild days and heading straight home from the store. |
Post# 1102848 , Reply# 14   1/2/2021 at 01:49 (1,203 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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The bigger the plant, the bigger the blooms, usually. The tall one outside my Santa Monica apartment had big, dense, puffy, way-beyond-triple blooms that measured nearly a foot across.
I think letting these get established in the ground is the best option where winter frosts are light, or under an eave, overhang or patio cover in slightly colder zones. Pot culture seems to be tricky as a rule. The linked article seems to agree with me, and its advice can be applied to hospitable areas outside of Florida. I agree with the advice that in the ground, poinsettias want little care. Plants about the size of the one pictured in the article, or even a bit larger, used to be seen in the landscape around here. I think many were lost in the Xmas freeze of 1990 and were never replaced.
As others have suggested, plant or locate your pot in an area shaded from the hottest mid-day sun. An east or south facing wall would be best. CLICK HERE TO GO TO RP2813's LINK |
Post# 1102912 , Reply# 15   1/2/2021 at 17:40 (1,202 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Well, I guess between this thread and a sighting just a little while ago, the cosmos wants me to try my luck with a couple of plants.
I just found a pile of discarded ones in the street awaiting the scooper that will come by on Monday. There were various sizes and one or two of the plants were the lighter pinkish-coral color. I got two nice 6" pot size standard types, and another larger round leaf variety. The tiny block of growing medium was visible on the 6" ones, but since they were out of their pots I could see real roots around the exposed edges of their soil. Brought them home and put them in pots just as they were.
The round leaf one is interesting. That one is three separate plants that had been in a larger bowl-shaped pot that would typically be used for a hanging plant. Roots all around the bottom edge. It fit right into a plastic hanging pot of mine that lost its hanger. I'm offering that one to my friend. He likes the unusual.
All plants are in the back of the '50 GMC where they're under cover, out of the rain, and will get some brief early afternoon sun. I'm looking at spots on the back wall of the house (east facing) where the two I'm keeping can go into the ground, assuming they don't go suicidal on me over the course of the winter.
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Post# 1102930 , Reply# 17   1/2/2021 at 19:31 (1,202 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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I like that white one Matt.
Don't worry about the grapefruit not blooming. It already has two other strikes against it. Since it was planted from a seed, there's no telling whether its fruit would be worthwhile anyway. Citrus varieties sold for agricultural or home garden applications are always grafted onto a more vigorous type of root stock (mainly sour orange). Grapefruit also requires intense heat to achieve tolerable sweetness, which is why most U.S. commercial crops are grown in Arizona and Texas, so even if yours bore fruit it would likely be bitter and as sour as a lemon. |
Post# 1103087 , Reply# 19   1/4/2021 at 00:11 (1,201 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)   |   | |
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Bordine's is expensive but do have quality products. Years ago I had one of their Landscape Designer's redo my front yard, looked great, to me worth the cost, lots of compliments.
They are about the only place I can find a 10' tree for Christmas. |
Post# 1103117 , Reply# 20   1/4/2021 at 11:42 (1,200 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Great advice about shielding any tropical plant from cold temps and chilly winds, Matt. If I find something tropical I just have to have in chilly weather, I will go back to the car for a large plastic bag for the trip from store to car to house. |
Post# 1103131 , Reply# 21   1/4/2021 at 12:53 (1,200 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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What's interesting is that for as long as I can remember, around here most stores put their poinsettias outside -- in the garden department if they had one, or just out in front of the store if they didn't. There they were, getting blown around on a cold December day when the wind chill could be near freezing, and they looked no worse for wear by the time the holidays were over and they were being sold cheap. Go figure.
I'm relying on this procedure for the discards I just picked up over the weekend. If we get a cold snap where overnight temps get down near freezing, then I'll bring them into the basement until that spell is over, otherwise they'll be getting acclimated on the back of the Jimmy until it's planting time |
Post# 1103433 , Reply# 22   1/6/2021 at 16:52 (1,198 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)   |   | |
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Post# 1133541 , Reply# 23   11/14/2021 at 17:53 (886 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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At least not when you're talking about poinsettias.
I thought I'd revive this thread even though it's not even Thanksgiving yet, so I'm violating one of my hard and fast rules, as dictated by one of the poinsettias I rescued from the gutter in early January (see pictures above) that not only survived, but has started to bloom! The others failed in fairly short order (the standard type one) or suddenly over the past summer (the round leaf one).
This plant had been outdoors in the same plastic pot I had it in originally, by the back wall of the house with an eastern exposure. I watered it sparingly and fed it once in a while and recently decided it deserved a larger clay pot. About a month and a half ago, I gave it a dose of bloom food but doubted it would have any effect. About three weeks ago, the newest leaves started to turn a bronze color which has since developed into a bright red. The picture doesn't do it justice.
Needless to say, I'm surprised and amazed. Even my buddy's poinsettias, which are older, much more developed and bushy and have been outside in larger pots, are not showing any color change -- at least not yet.
I intend to plant this one in the ground where it's currently located. It's clear that it's happy in that spot. Maybe in the spring depending on how well it does over the winter.
I'll post another shot if/when it hits its peak bloom.
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Post# 1133557 , Reply# 24   11/14/2021 at 18:44 (886 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)   |   | |
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Greenhouses have tricks to get them red just in time for the holiday.
I too have tried to keep them alive afterwards. CLICK HERE TO GO TO bradfordwhite's LINK |
Post# 1133566 , Reply# 26   11/14/2021 at 20:56 (886 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)   |   | |
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I've manged to keep a few from last year, but none show any signs of blooming. I've managed to do that a while ago but never since.
going to hit HD is a week or so and get a new crop. |
Post# 1133723 , Reply# 28   11/16/2021 at 19:52 (884 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Tom, I did rescue one cutting from a section of the plant pictured above that somehow was broken off. I had it in water over the summer, where it remained in a sort of suspended state, not producing roots or any new growth. Just hanging out and not looking any better or worse.
I finally decided it wanted to live, so I dipped it in rooting hormone and stuck it in a small pot. It has grown very slowly, but that's progress. I'll be bringing it inside when overnight temps drop consistently below 45. With any luck, it will take off outside next year but will remain in a container for at least a season or two, I'm sure.
I'll try to remember to snap a picture to post here. |
Post# 1133812 , Reply# 29   11/17/2021 at 17:38 (883 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Here's the cutting I took from the broken piece. Propane canister placed for scale purposes. It will be interesting to see what it looks like a year from now, if it doesn't decide to check out before then.
Sorry, the transition from IOS to AWO ran into the usual automatic re-orienting issue with this particular shot.
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Post# 1133841 , Reply# 30   11/17/2021 at 21:52 (883 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)   |   | |
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Well we will see how this years crop fares. Been out of town for a bit, noticed HD had their $1.98 poinsettias in already. Called my brother and asked him to pick up 10 for me before they are gone. They are sitting in my cool house till I get back in a few days. |
Post# 1133858 , Reply# 31   11/18/2021 at 06:42 (883 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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I'm glad that the gas canister was not placed there as a threat. If it does not have any roots, it would probably have a better chance of survival of you removed most of the leaves. |
Post# 1133871 , Reply# 32   11/18/2021 at 11:57 (882 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Tom, except for small tips of leaves that existed when the cutting was in a suspended state while in water for a couple of months, all of the growth you see in that picture developed after I potted it up. If anything, presuming it survives under a timed grow light in the basement until spring, I will pinch it back when I put it outside again next year. The pot got knocked over by a squirrel but it didn't faze the cutting. It's been a trooper so I have high hopes for it. |
Post# 1133924 , Reply# 33   11/19/2021 at 09:51 (881 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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That's great. All of the growth shows that the plant has produced roots. I thought that the photo was of the recently broken stem. |
Post# 1136182 , Reply# 35   12/14/2021 at 12:45 (856 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)   |   | |
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Matt, I think if they can survive past the holidays, even if they go into shock after being in an ideal environment at the grower's facility, they'll become acclimated like yours and mine from last year did.
My buddy gave me a huge plant -- really three of them in one large pot -- before Thanksgiving and it's doing fine in a west facing window that up until last week was having its blinds almost completely closed on sunny afternoons. I've only watered it sparingly, like two or three times, and barely a cup full each time.
Even my little cutting has some small leaves at the top that are turning red. It's in the basement under a grow light with other tender plants, likely for the next few months. |