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Post# 1102594   12/30/2020 at 21:25 (1,205 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Kind of puzzled. Every year I buy about a dozen cheap poinsettias to put around the house. Every year 1, 2 or 3 will simply give up and die. They all look healthy when I buy them, get exactly the same care in my home so why do they die?

I have a group of three on a coffee table in the living room and of the three one just died. Same amt. of light and water. I'm great with plants, have a houseful of all kinds, some older than me, some 10' tall, I even get my orchids to re-bloom- so I know what I'm doing, this just puzzles me.





Post# 1102599 , Reply# 1   12/30/2020 at 21:55 (1,205 days old) by qsd-dan (West)        

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What's your indoor temperatures? They prefer 65-70F and 4-6 hours of light. Keep them away from drafts and fluctuating temperatures such as fans, heaters, fireplaces, HVAC ducting, ect.

Speaking of suicide and death, these are poisonous to animals and humans. Wash your digits after handling them.


Post# 1102600 , Reply# 2   12/30/2020 at 22:01 (1,205 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Matt, have you checked the dead ones for root size?  It's very common for two or three plants that have been growing in teeny tiny starter pots to be placed into one larger pot so they appear to be a single large plant.  Often they haven't even sent out roots past the their little spongy block of growing medium.

 

I've had the same problem as you, and won't buy poinsettias anymore unless I know they're a single, mature plant (6" pot at the smallest) that can adapt to something other than a hothouse environment.   What you find mostly today are intended to be throw-away plants. 

 

Poinsettias will grow happily outdoors in my area with a bit of protection from frost, but you have to start with a plant that has a decent sized, healthy root system.  My friend has three of them going now, two in pots and one in the ground, and they are thriving.  He planted them a year ago.  My great aunt had a big one in her front yard.  When I lived in Santa Monica, a poinsettia from the adjacent property was taller than my second floor apartment balcony, and huge blooming branches were resting against the top of the balcony railing. 

 

These plants are not hard to grow, and they grow fast, but when you consider they may have a root system the size of a 2" pot, once plants like that are out of a hot house with perfect growing conditions, all bets are off.


Post# 1102609 , Reply# 3   12/30/2020 at 23:25 (1,205 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

My parents lived in Riverside, CA for a while during WWII and they used to tell us about the Poinsettia and Geranium hedges they had in their yard. 


Post# 1102610 , Reply# 4   12/30/2020 at 23:34 (1,205 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Love the title of your thread!

If it is insufficient roots causing it, you could try cutting the plant back to a few inches high and then seeing if it will put out new growth.  Do all of the stems die or just one or two? They are individual stems potted together. Do you have any willows on your property? If you soak some willow branches in water, they give up a rooting hormone that you can use to water cuttings to encourage rooting. The other thing you can do is water them with the Miracle Grow Bloom  Boost. The high middle phosphate number not only encourages flowers, but also root development. 


Post# 1102612 , Reply# 5   12/30/2020 at 23:51 (1,205 days old) by robbinsandmyers (Conn)        

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A friend gave me one a week before Christmas and it promptly died in two days. At least it wasnt like the basil plants I bring home that are limp and dead the next day when I wake up.....

Post# 1102638 , Reply# 6   12/31/2020 at 10:43 (1,204 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Yes, I bought

them from Meijer last year and they died before Christmas. So this year I found nice placemats, a table runner, and napkins with red and green poinsietta's with black accents in thick Indian soft cotton with a backing. 40% off before Christmas.
They say spot clean only, but I wash my others in cold water and dry on delicate and they are fine. I put a white tablecloth over it all at holiday meal time. We normally eat at the kitchen island.


Post# 1102658 , Reply# 7   12/31/2020 at 12:30 (1,204 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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I have never known there was any other species than suicidal.   Hoping against hope, I've bought them time and again only to have two brown leaves left by Christmas.   I love the flower, especially when they are BIG or smaller in big numbers.  

 

Many years ago, my sis worked for an indoor green-scaping company.  They had the contract for the newest and largest of shopping malls and tended to the poinsettias at the holidays.  They'd throw out a couple dozen a day that had passed.  Some were murdered by patrons, but most just withered and got whisked away.  


Post# 1102665 , Reply# 8   12/31/2020 at 14:31 (1,204 days old) by sfh074 ( )        
I would love to know .....

how they grow them. Every year I buy them and a matter of days they start dropping leaves. There must be a trick since the growers are able to have them looking beautiful ..... before I get a hold of them and bring them home before their inevitable suicide.

Post# 1102669 , Reply# 9   12/31/2020 at 15:03 (1,204 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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When I still had plants, I had the problem that they never died on me. I never liked them but people like giving them around Christmas. I believe the secret is that they don't like being in the sun. And they don't like a lot of water. They are best kept in pots and then you give them a soak once a week. After the soak you let them drip out. That should be enough.



Post# 1102677 , Reply# 10   12/31/2020 at 17:11 (1,204 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Well the poinsettias are not something I really care about, I have kept a few for years but even when they rebloom it's never as well as when they were new.

I usually got the $.99 4" ones at Lowes or HD but this year HD only had the larger 6" pot for $1.99, got about 10 I think, 3 dead already the rest are doing fine. I do not attribute it to conditions in my home, since the rest are fine. I just find it a bit frustrating to see them simply shrivel and die over a day or two. At .99 I did not care that much but at $1.99 it bugs me.


Post# 1102718 , Reply# 11   1/1/2021 at 07:40 (1,204 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I used to

put them in a dark place overnight. They like 12 hrs. of light, 12 of dark. They bloomed into February. They are grown in Ontario in hot houses. That may be part of the priblem.

Post# 1102819 , Reply# 12   1/1/2021 at 20:31 (1,203 days old) by RickC (New Jersey)        
They hate being in the cold

and the trip home from the store is often enough exposure to cold weather to cause them to drop their leaves. We have had the most success with buying on mild days and heading straight home from the store.

Post# 1102826 , Reply# 13   1/1/2021 at 21:32 (1,203 days old) by Davey7 (Chicago)        

I used to nurse the poinsettia's we would get at work along for a couple years - they were next to a big glass wall (either boiling hot in summer or freezing cold in winter) yet they survived reasonably well after a few years of nurturing. Just watered once a week - literally all the care they got - also not in direct sun, north facing windows.

Post# 1102848 , Reply# 14   1/2/2021 at 01:49 (1,203 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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The bigger the plant, the bigger the blooms, usually.  The tall one outside my Santa Monica apartment had big, dense, puffy, way-beyond-triple blooms that measured nearly a foot across.

 

I think letting these get established in the ground is the best option where winter frosts are light, or under an eave, overhang or patio cover in slightly colder zones.  Pot culture seems to be tricky as a rule.  The linked article seems to agree with me, and its advice can be applied to hospitable areas outside of Florida.  I agree with the advice that in the ground, poinsettias want little care.  Plants about the size of the one pictured in the article, or even a bit larger, used to be seen in the landscape around here.  I think many were lost in the Xmas freeze of 1990 and were never replaced. 

 

As others have suggested, plant or locate your pot in an area shaded from the hottest mid-day sun.  An east or south facing wall would be best.



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Post# 1102912 , Reply# 15   1/2/2021 at 17:40 (1,202 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Well, I guess between this thread and a sighting just a little while ago, the cosmos wants me to try my luck with a couple of plants.

 

I just found a pile of discarded ones in the street awaiting the scooper that will come by on Monday.  There were various sizes and one or two of the plants were the lighter pinkish-coral color.  I got two nice 6" pot size standard types, and another larger round leaf variety.  The tiny block of growing medium was visible on the 6" ones, but since they were out of their pots I could see real roots around the exposed edges of their soil.  Brought them home and put them in pots just as they were.

 

The round leaf one is interesting.  That one is three separate plants that had been in a larger bowl-shaped pot that would typically be used for a hanging plant.  Roots all around the bottom edge.  It fit right into a plastic hanging pot of mine that lost its hanger.  I'm offering that one to my friend.  He likes the unusual.

 

All plants are in the back of the '50 GMC where they're under cover, out of the rain, and will get some brief early afternoon sun.  I'm looking at spots on the back wall of the house (east facing) where the two I'm keeping can go into the ground, assuming they don't go suicidal on me over the course of the winter.

 


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Post# 1102921 , Reply# 16   1/2/2021 at 18:02 (1,202 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Wow, nice find!

 

Whenever I get down to Bordine's in Clarkston for a tree I usually pick up one of their "custom" poinsettias.   This is this year's- it's got lots and lots of small flowers rather than several big ones.

 

Behind it the green mass is one of the 2 grapefruit trees that are older than me, my mother started them when she found some grapefruit seeds sprouting.  They are about 8' tall, summer outdoors, winter in, but have never bloomed.


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Post# 1102930 , Reply# 17   1/2/2021 at 19:31 (1,202 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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I like that white one Matt.

 

Don't worry about the grapefruit not blooming.  It already has two other strikes against it.  Since it was planted from a seed, there's no telling whether its fruit would be worthwhile anyway.   Citrus varieties sold for agricultural or home garden applications are always grafted onto a more vigorous type of root stock (mainly sour orange).  Grapefruit also requires intense heat to achieve tolerable sweetness, which is why most U.S. commercial crops are grown in Arizona and Texas, so even if yours bore fruit it would likely be bitter and as sour as a lemon.


Post# 1102989 , Reply# 18   1/3/2021 at 10:04 (1,201 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Bordine's is

a huge place, and expemsive. My Japanese maple came from there. Alos a weeping white pine which died aftyer a few years. Also a $250 tree in 1999. My own uneducated fault. I planted it over a buried downspout drain. They don't like much water. My Limelight Hydrangea tree is much better there.
English Garden's is another overpriced place here. Rick Vespa the owner has been seen in our circles if you get the drift, but he is very down low.


Post# 1103087 , Reply# 19   1/4/2021 at 00:11 (1,201 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Bordine's is expensive but do have quality products.  Years ago I had one of their Landscape Designer's redo my front yard, looked great, to me worth the cost, lots of compliments.

 

They are about the only place I can find a 10' tree for Christmas.


Post# 1103117 , Reply# 20   1/4/2021 at 11:42 (1,200 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Great advice about shielding any tropical plant from cold temps and chilly winds, Matt.  If I find something tropical I just have to have in chilly weather, I will go back to the car for a large plastic bag for the trip from store to car to house.


Post# 1103131 , Reply# 21   1/4/2021 at 12:53 (1,200 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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What's interesting is that for as long as I can remember, around here most stores put their poinsettias outside -- in the garden department if they had one, or just out in front of the store if they didn't.  There they were, getting blown around on a cold December day when the wind chill could be near freezing, and they looked no worse for wear by the time the holidays were over and they were being sold cheap.  Go figure.

 

I'm relying on this procedure for the discards I just picked up over the weekend.  If we get a cold snap where overnight temps get down near freezing, then I'll bring them into the basement until that spell is over, otherwise they'll be getting acclimated on the back of the Jimmy until it's planting time


Post# 1103433 , Reply# 22   1/6/2021 at 16:52 (1,198 days old) by lotsosudz (Sacramento, CA)        
Silk Poinsettias

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I have found over the years, that if i buy silk poinsettias, I don't kill them. lol I got tired of loving the look of them but tired of picking up leaves off the floor, So I went to nice quality silk varieties, and have not killed one of those since. LOL
Hugs,
David


Post# 1133541 , Reply# 23   11/14/2021 at 17:53 (886 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        
One Out of Three Ain't Bad

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At least not when you're talking about poinsettias.

 

I thought I'd revive this thread even though it's not even Thanksgiving yet, so I'm violating one of my hard and fast rules, as dictated by one of the poinsettias I rescued from the gutter in early January (see pictures above) that not only survived, but has started to bloom!  The others failed in fairly short order (the standard type one) or suddenly over the past summer (the round leaf one).

 

This plant had been outdoors in the same plastic pot I had it in originally, by the back wall of the house with an eastern exposure.  I watered it sparingly and fed it once in a while and recently decided it deserved a larger clay pot.  About a month and a half ago, I gave it a dose of bloom food but doubted it would have any effect.  About three weeks ago, the newest leaves started to turn a bronze color which has since developed into a bright red.  The picture doesn't do it justice.

 

Needless to say, I'm surprised and amazed.  Even my buddy's poinsettias, which are older, much more developed and bushy and have been outside in larger pots, are not showing any color change -- at least not yet.

 

I intend to plant this one in the ground where it's currently located.  It's clear that it's happy in that spot.  Maybe in the spring depending on how well it does over the winter.

 

I'll post another shot if/when it hits its peak bloom.


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Post# 1133557 , Reply# 24   11/14/2021 at 18:44 (886 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.)        
They are tricky

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Greenhouses have tricks to get them red just in time for the holiday.

I too have tried to keep them alive afterwards.


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Post# 1133562 , Reply# 25   11/14/2021 at 19:52 (886 days old) by CircleW (NE Cincinnati OH area)        

The place I work is supposed to be getting in poinsettias in a week or so. They will only be there for a day or so before they are taken to the clients for their displays. When I worked there in 2018 we got over 300 from the grower. They had to have colored foil covers placed over the pots. We are doing all the decorations for the Greater Cincinnati Airport, but don't know if they get any of the poinsettias.


Post# 1133566 , Reply# 26   11/14/2021 at 20:56 (886 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

I've manged to keep a few from last year, but none show any signs of blooming.  I've managed to do that a while ago but never since. 

 

going to hit HD is a week or so and get a new crop.


Post# 1133655 , Reply# 27   11/16/2021 at 06:32 (885 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I wonder if, as soon as one of these shows signs of distress, it was plucked from the soil and put in a glass of water it might live. It might help if it had an inadequately developed root system, but if it was damaged due to being chilled, it probably would not help.

Poinsettias are triggered to color up the top leaves and produce flowers by lengthening nights so there is a complicated method that involves putting an indoor plant in a closet for increasingly longer periods EVERY NIGHT to mimic the longer nights leading through fall up to Christmas. You also need to use a fertilizer like Miracle Gro's Bloom Boost formula with a high middle number to encourage flower production; otherwise the plant just produced lots of green leaves.


Post# 1133723 , Reply# 28   11/16/2021 at 19:52 (884 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Tom, I did rescue one cutting from a section of the plant pictured above that somehow was broken off.  I had it in water over the summer, where it remained in a sort of suspended state, not producing roots or any new growth.  Just hanging out and not looking any better or worse.

 

I finally decided it wanted to live, so I dipped it in rooting hormone and stuck it in a small pot.  It has grown very slowly, but that's progress.  I'll be bringing it inside when overnight temps drop consistently below 45.  With any luck, it will take off outside next year but will remain in a container for at least a season or two, I'm sure.

 

I'll try to remember to snap a picture to post here.


Post# 1133812 , Reply# 29   11/17/2021 at 17:38 (883 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Here's the cutting I took from the broken piece.   Propane canister placed for scale purposes.  It will be interesting to see what it looks like a year from now, if it doesn't decide to check out before then.

 

Sorry, the transition from IOS to AWO ran into the usual automatic re-orienting issue with this particular shot.


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Post# 1133841 , Reply# 30   11/17/2021 at 21:52 (883 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Well we will see how this years crop fares. Been out of town for a bit, noticed HD had their $1.98 poinsettias in already.  Called my brother and asked him to pick up 10 for me before they are gone.  They are sitting in my cool house till I get back in a few days.


Post# 1133858 , Reply# 31   11/18/2021 at 06:42 (883 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I'm glad that the gas canister was not placed there as a threat. If it does not have any roots, it would probably have a better chance of survival of you removed most of the leaves.

Post# 1133871 , Reply# 32   11/18/2021 at 11:57 (882 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Tom, except for small tips of leaves that existed when the cutting was in a suspended state while in water for a couple of months, all of the growth you see in that picture developed after I potted it up.   If anything, presuming it survives under a timed grow light in the basement until spring, I will pinch it back when I put it outside again next year.  The pot got knocked over by a squirrel but it didn't faze the cutting.  It's been a trooper so I have high hopes for it.


Post# 1133924 , Reply# 33   11/19/2021 at 09:51 (881 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

That's great. All of the growth shows that the plant has produced roots. I thought that the photo was of the recently broken stem.

Post# 1136151 , Reply# 34   12/14/2021 at 00:43 (857 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        
3 down agin...

As I mentioned earlier I had my brother pick up a dozen poinsettias at HD.  Well, 3 weeks in and 3 are goners.  All treated the same, all the same light, weird.  Might see if HD will replace them.

 

Side note a few of my hold over from last year are showing signs of color.  Small red bracts  are forming.  Did nothing special, they spent the summer outdoors, came in in early Oct. kept them in my morning room  North and East facing large windows.  Moderately dark at night but occasionally I turn the lights on in there plus it faces the corner of my streets so there are a fair amount of headlights turning the corner at night.  I'll try and post a pic tomorrow.


Post# 1136182 , Reply# 35   12/14/2021 at 12:45 (856 days old) by RP2813 (Sannazay)        

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Matt, I think if they can survive past the holidays, even if they go into shock after being in an ideal environment at the grower's facility, they'll become acclimated like yours and mine from last year did. 

 

My buddy gave me a huge plant -- really three of them in one large pot -- before Thanksgiving and it's doing fine in a west facing window that up until last week was having its blinds almost completely closed on sunny afternoons.  I've only watered it sparingly, like two or three times, and barely a cup full each time.

 

Even my little cutting has some small leaves at the top that are turning red.  It's in the basement under a grow light with other tender plants, likely for the next few months.


Post# 1136184 , Reply# 36   12/14/2021 at 13:21 (856 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I wonder if there is a variation of root development among the plants in the batches and those that do not develop sufficient roots eventually succumb.


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