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Post# 1102675   12/31/2020 at 16:56 (1,205 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI)        

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I went to the scrap yard today and saw a Brand new LG WM3900HW. It was mostly destroyed but I wanted a few parts. The spider arm was broken. I pulled the tub and removed the bolts but the tub wouldn't split for me to remove the drum for a firepit. So now were down another manufacturer with front loads. Only one left is Speed Queen. I hope they don't do this scam next. I knew this tub is sealed/welded because I put all my might on it and it will not split.

This is the problem.

Tub halves are Ultrasonically welded together (Can't change Bearings/seal/spider)

You will have to purchase a new tub assembly ($$-$$$$!)

DO NOT BUY ANY LG FRONT LOAD WASHER 2018-NOW. All Junk. LG is now disposable like everyone else. LG stands for Largely Garbage at this point. They need to make the "TROMM" Models again. I can easily repair those. My Neighbors have a 2016 LG WM3670HV and I can split the tub on that one. what is the point of putting bolts on it if the tub is glued/welded. Screw All front loads except the speed queens. I now hate Modern LG appliances. The top load is also exploding again!





Post# 1102687 , Reply# 1   12/31/2020 at 18:09 (1,205 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Well if you want the best, get a Miele.


Post# 1102708 , Reply# 2   12/31/2020 at 22:00 (1,204 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI)        
Miele

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Thanks for the suggestion but Miele and ASKO are hard to find in the USA and when you can find them they cost 2 or 3 times as much as speed queen

Post# 1102714 , Reply# 3   1/1/2021 at 01:11 (1,204 days old) by PinkPower4 (USA)        
Replacing Bearings and Seal

Out of curiosity, what would a repair technician charge to change the bearings and seal in a SQ residential front load especially since this one is made to be more repairable? Although its cost initially put it out of my consideration, I have done some rethinking. It would definitely be among those I look at if I purchase a front load. I live in the USA, and this brand is more serviceable where I live vs. the other high quality ones mentioned.

I am not sure if this was less expensive for LG to do this or not. Most consumers probably do not replace the bearings themselves. I didn’t, and that is why I no longer have my LG front load. I would have had to take almost every screw, hose, and connection apart to do this. However, I think it’s possible that people that pick these up for scrap and to resell might. It seems like LG would have to go to extra effort to make it less repairable now? I was aware of this change in design, but I had forgotten. Thanks for this information.



Post# 1102725 , Reply# 4   1/1/2021 at 09:07 (1,204 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Major Repairs On Modern Washers

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It would cost roughly $500 to replace bearings and seal on a SQ FL Washer, you will also spend about the same amount replacing the bearings and transmission on a new TL WP belt drive washer, A SQ traditional TL washer and probably $1000 to do the same on a Miele compact FL Washer.

 

If you want to do it yourself you can replace bearings on most FL machines for $50-100 in parts and replace the transmission on newer WP BD washers for $250-300.

 

The real question is what sort of washer you want to have, Miele is diffidently the best 24" compact machine, but I will not spent that kind of money for a washer that does not wash my king-sized conformers when I can have a machine that will last twice as long for about the same money.

 

The reality of bearing replacements on most $1000 [ or there about ] FL washers is not even 5% of them would anyone even brother trying to replace bearings on so it really does not matter that they seal the cheap plastic outer tubs together anyway.

 

No ultra long life washer should have anything but a SS outer tub and cast-iron counter balance weights anyway.

 

John L.


Post# 1102732 , Reply# 5   1/1/2021 at 10:08 (1,204 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
speaking of counterweights...

...on some of the Korean imports I have junked(salvaged the BLDC motors)the counterweights were crumbling and falling apart...:)

Post# 1102737 , Reply# 6   1/1/2021 at 11:13 (1,204 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
if had the choice would go old fashion with an old school

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if i had the choice i would go with an old school washer dryer like this or an eaton viking filter flo washer with matching dryer like this model on top harvest gold of course

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Post# 1102773 , Reply# 7   1/1/2021 at 15:05 (1,204 days old) by perc-o-prince (Southboro, Mass)        
Miele is diffidently the best 24" compact machine

Just wondering if you knew that the W1 and T1 Mieles now have similar capacity the Miele SLC models had some 8-10 years ago? We do a set of queen sheets with extra pillow cases and still have plenty of room for more. Could easily do 2 sets of these at once where before you could maybe do 1.

 

Chuck


Post# 1102778 , Reply# 8   1/1/2021 at 15:44 (1,204 days old) by Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hey Chuck,

I agree, an almost full load of darks in my Duet fits into the W1 machine at a squeeze and washes without issue.

Compared to my 6.5kg Miele there is an extra 4-5 towels fit.

The new generation has barely enough room to get your hand between the drum and the cabinet in any of the four directions, where as the earlier machines, you could slip your arm down each side.

It’s amazing how much fits in a “compact” machine now

Cheers

Nathan


Post# 1102796 , Reply# 9   1/1/2021 at 18:11 (1,204 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
The Capacity Of Better Newer 24" FL Washers

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Hi Chuck and Nathan, It is always great to hear from you guys.

 

Is quite good, In our testing we find these machines can wash about as large a load as the typical older super capacity US TL washer which makes them quite adequate for most households,

 

BUT like SC TL washers they are still too small to wash King Sized Conformers etc that are common in US households, and most US customers want to be able to wash these larger loads at home now more than ever.


Post# 1102875 , Reply# 10   1/2/2021 at 09:33 (1,203 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany))        
Welded tubs

We had them for years on cheaper machines.
They really are nothing new.

Not really much you can do on about that.



Any machine with broken bearing that you do not fix yourself is an economical write of these days.

Labour is just way to expensive to make any sense, be it you replace the whole tub or just bearings and seals.

On a sealed tub labour time is a little less for a skilled tech (depending on design), on a splitable tub or a right away removable bearing cross (like Miele) work time for removing the bearings an fitting the new ones is a little more.

On the other hand, part prices cancel that out then again.
Bearings themselfes plus seals are pretty cheap (a set of bearings and a seal go for like 40-50€ if you just buy fitting replacements from SKF or another reputable vendor; those parts are all normed anyway).
Storage for whole tub units plus shipping are verry expensive.





We had a verry cheap Whirlpool made machine with an extended warranty by Bauknecht (who rebranded the design being owned by whirlpool) and for what ever reason they replaced the tub unit when the bearing went bad during warranty.

The tub unit took 12 weeks to arrive, was a 300€ part, plus 2 tech visits and 3h of work total.

The machine was 360€ new. With the warranty.


Post# 1102994 , Reply# 11   1/3/2021 at 10:32 (1,202 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Check Craigslist. I got four older Miele machines off that for very reasonable prices. I use one regularly for whites, because it does such a superior job on them.


Post# 1103164 , Reply# 12   1/4/2021 at 19:09 (1,201 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
I'm not sure if I'm convinced by this or not but...

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We've had our LG set for a year now and we've been really pleased with them so far. The whole reason why we got them in the first place was because our appliance technician told us that LG was the top laundry brand that they repaired the least. We haven't had any problems with ours so far and I would expect to at least get another 9 years or hopefully longer with them.

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Post# 1103192 , Reply# 13   1/4/2021 at 22:25 (1,200 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        

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Thanks for the suggestion but Miele and ASKO are hard to find in the USA and when you can find them they cost 2 or 3 times as much as speed queen

This place sells Miele and Asko for much less of what a SQ goes for.  But I will give SQ credit for being a larger machine...but it doesn't have a heater...This Asko is 240V while both the Miele and SQ are 120V.


Post# 1103205 , Reply# 14   1/4/2021 at 23:49 (1,200 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Anybody have any more feedback on the new GE Ultra Vent front loader line? I'm interested in the TOL 850 model. Mainly because it's one of the few front loaders with a reversible door, key to placement in the laundry closet here. Actually, it's more of a laundry bay now, since I took off the folding pocket doors :-).

They seem to be nice enough but also new enough that they don't seem to be much discounted. Although I have seen one at the Hayward Costco.


Post# 1121817 , Reply# 15   6/29/2021 at 23:22 (1,024 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI)        
moving to top

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people are wanting LG's again so I have to move it to the top

Post# 1121819 , Reply# 16   6/29/2021 at 23:47 (1,024 days old) by trappn (Illinois)        
?????.................

........top of what? Whish list, or shi* list?

Post# 1121825 , Reply# 17   6/30/2021 at 00:47 (1,024 days old) by Egress (Oregon)        

top of the active topics list. I think this is being a bit overblown, the bearings should last the life of the machine, which is likely designed to be roughly 15-20 years ish. if cared for properly (fabric softener not overused/not used at all, powder detergent & hot water used often, clean washer cycle ran with bleach) the washer should last. and that isn't to say that this is a good decision either. the easier something is to fix the better, which is why right to repair is such a big thing. everyone on this forum who repairs washers or even owns older ones should be in favor of it. It needs to become a law.

Post# 1121843 , Reply# 18   6/30/2021 at 06:25 (1,024 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK)        
LG still make screwed tubs

This is NONSENSE.

I am in the UK and purchased an LG washing machine in 2019 and this machine has a screwed tub. It is made in Poland. I am aware of all the LG washing machine available on the market here in the UK that are made in Poland and China ALL have screwed tubs in them.

LG are pretty good machines and are very reliable as well. I would buy LG again if I needed to.

I completely disagree that Miele are the best. I had one for a week and really did not like the machine. It may well have good build quality - INSIDE - The detergent drawer feels flimsy to me and not worth near £1000. It was Miele WKF311 8kg and I was disappointed in the results for a full load, it did not recognise that it had to add an extra rinse or add water to a full load. I found out I should have selected Water Plus. Sorry but I prefer a machine to know that it needs to add extra water or a rinse.

My LG machine an F4JY5TN3W cost £390 has the ability to know that it needs to add a 3rd rinse with a full load, extra water as well and make its interim spins longer and faster, a well as make the final spin a lot longer with spinning at 1400 RPM for a full 7 minutes on its top speed. The Miele only did its top speed for 3 minutes.



Post# 1121871 , Reply# 19   6/30/2021 at 10:48 (1,024 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        

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Avoid LG and Samsung like the plague, that’s all I have to say. All modern machines are junk, period. Even never Speed Queen machines are junk since they don’t rinse that well since the first spin speed is slow resulting in poor rinsing performance.

Post# 1121879 , Reply# 20   6/30/2021 at 11:51 (1,024 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
@ Maytag85

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I heard this same exact thing on forums in 2005 when I got my Duet. Literally, the same thing. It's now almost 17 years old.

Post# 1121890 , Reply# 21   6/30/2021 at 13:56 (1,024 days old) by Maytag85 (Sean A806)        
Reply #20

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Things still had a ounce or two of quality back in 2004 and 2005. Appliances were good up until 2010 before Whirlpool stopped making the direct drive washers and started going crazy with cost cutting on their appliances.

Post# 1121891 , Reply# 22   6/30/2021 at 13:58 (1,024 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
I guess I'm screwed then!

I own a late model (2019) Samsung 4.5 cu. ft. F.L. steamerator worsher. It's fine. It gets laundry clean and fresh! If it akes a crap prematurley, I just won't buy another is all. Same as with the previous Whirltag Bravos X. Now that was junk!
Not many vinatge machines around here. Before this one, I missed a '78 Maytag at an estate sale by 5 minutes. It looked mint.


Post# 1121894 , Reply# 23   6/30/2021 at 14:28 (1,024 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
All modern machines are junk, period.

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It's not mandatory to write in the Deluxe Forum, or even visit this forum for that matter if you don't like modern machines. Reading such comments over and over again starts to become a bit tiring after a while.

Post# 1121897 , Reply# 24   6/30/2021 at 14:38 (1,024 days old) by MaytagNeptune (FireAlarmTechGuy4444 on YouTube. Interlochen MI)        
reply #18

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This is ment for the US only

Post# 1121936 , Reply# 25   6/30/2021 at 19:03 (1,024 days old) by agiflow ()        

Modern appliances may be junk to some of you guys but I've been very impressed with the Amana I have. One year later and so far so good. The work I do I get pretty dirty and this washer has cleaned my grimy clothes as well as any machine I've owned.



Post# 1121980 , Reply# 26   7/1/2021 at 05:20 (1,023 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
cost cutting appliances

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If they are all cost-cutting like crazy.......Just out of curiosity - if you're fridge, oven, dishwasher died...Speed Queen doesn't make those. What would you get?

Post# 1122019 , Reply# 27   7/1/2021 at 12:51 (1,023 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan)        
Oven, fridge, etc?

GE, or W.P. products.
My brother is remodeling his house. They are removing the wall between the kitchen and living room to make it open plan with an island for prep and eating.
While waiting for the city engineer to inspect the attic beams and dtermine if a beam is needed, and their contractor who had covid to return from his honeymoon, they bought appliances and are storing them boxed in the garage.
Frigidaire Gallery dual fuel slide in range with air fry and convection oven.
A Broan 380 c.f.m. stainless steel chimney style exhaust hood, a GE Profile S.S. interior top control dishwasher with a stainless interior and bottle jets, a GE Profile french door 26 cu. ft. fridge with ice and water. The microwave will be a shelf model above a built in pantry which will have shelves above a counter top over base cabinets. The computer mock up he sent me looks nice. White upper cabinets, grey lower, white carerra marble counters.
I don't know why they just don't move. It's a small 3 bdrm. brick front shotgun ranch about 1,000 sq, ft. I guess they like it there, can't move their pool, and are empty nesters.


Post# 1122149 , Reply# 28   7/2/2021 at 15:57 (1,022 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I think this thread has now gotten a bit ridiculous here. I mean so what that some people don't like LG front loaders or wouldn't recommend them. That's not going to stop everyone else that wants to buy an LG FL, I would if that's what my repair tech recommends for me to get.

Post# 1122205 , Reply# 29   7/3/2021 at 02:17 (1,021 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        

Bearing and spider failures almost always appear to be a sign of neglect. For instance:

- All cold washes
- Excessive detergent
- Frequent overloading

are all factors which will act as a catalyst in bearing and spider failure. Sealed tub or not, both outcomes will be expensive, whether it's a new machine, new tub or spider and bearing replacement. On a repair this major, people almost ALWAYS chuck it and buy a new one. While I hate the fact that manufactures are locking people out of the tubs, to a degree it makes sense from their perspective. And to confirm, yes it does appear based off of part diagrams, the new LG front loaders from 2019 and up, all have sealed tubs. Samsung, GE, Electrolux will all soon follow.

I've owned two front loaders from 2014 up to now. The first one, a Whirlpool WFW72HEDW bought in 2014 to replace our failed 13 year old Inglis direct drive TL. This FL, has a sealed tub.

The second one bought at a new location in 2018, an LG WM4370 with a fully modular tub.

On both washers:

- Hot/Warm washes are frequented, with cold ones every now and then.
- 2-4 loads a week, powdered detergent, sometimes liquid.
- Excess detergent was rare.
- Tub clean cycle ran once or twice a year with a cup or two of bleach.
- Door and dispenser left open once the cycle was complete to dry out.
- Never overloaded.

WP WFW72HEDW 4 years old: bearing and spider issues not present.
LG WM4370 3 years old: bearing and spider issues not present.

But one of them DID have an issue. The LG, right? Nope. The LG has been performing strong since the day it got delivered.

The Whirlpool, after 1 year developed a spinning issue which was posted by numerous other users here as well. It would ramp up to about 200-300 RPM then immediately shut off and go into balancing even when it was empty.

Yet it's surprising to me how LG washers always gets the bashing. In my experience in the last near decade of owning modern WP appliances, they have almost ALL had parts replacement in a short time or had issues.

Previous Location:

Kenmore (Built by WP fridge) bought in 2012: Computer failed 3 years in.

Kenmore (Built by WP dishwasher) bought in 2014: Latch and computer replaced in 1.5 years.

Whirlpool WFW72HEDW bought in 2014: Developed that famous spin cycle problem after 1 year.

Kenmore (Built by Frigidaire range) bought in 2015: 0 issues.
Kenmore (Built by Samsung OTR Microwave) bought in 2015: 0 Issues.

New Location: All bought in 2018.

Maytag (built by Whirlpool Dishwasher): 0 issues as of yet.

Whirlpool range: Has preheating issues when rapid preheat is selected. Likely a computer issue.

Whirlpool Fridge (same one as the previous location but newer): condenser coil rattles, ice bucket lid stays open.

LG Washer and Dryer: 0 Issues.




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