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Thread Number: 85928
/ Tag: Modern Automatic Washers
Duet spider failure? |
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| Post# 1104833 , Reply# 1 1/17/2021 at 10:34 (1,188 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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look for "runout"(wobble)of the basket while turning manually-if more than ~1/16,forcefully try to wobble the basket to check for broken or "soft"spider there will be a little normal bearing play.My Duet will be turning 10 shortly... the rattle is probably something in the suspension. | ||
| Post# 1105011 , Reply# 4 1/18/2021 at 21:20 (1,186 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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bad math... should have stated my "Duet"is about to turn 20yrs not 10 :) It's a KM HE3t,110 42922 200. | ||
| Post# 1105146 , Reply# 6 1/19/2021 at 18:42 (1,185 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD) | ||
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take off the belt see what happens when the belt is taken off-sometimes the belts will make some odd noises. | ||
Post# 1105160 , Reply# 7 1/19/2021 at 21:46 (1,185 days old) by SudsMaster  (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 1105285 , Reply# 10 1/20/2021 at 18:08 (1,184 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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Sound To better describe the noise, it is a bit of a 'knock'. | ||
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Post# 1105292 , Reply# 11 1/20/2021 at 18:39 (1,184 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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Video example So I will post a link to a video, and give time frames where the noise is identical but slightly quieter. 0:30 - 0:55 1:17 - 1:32 | ||
| Post# 1105748 , Reply# 12 1/24/2021 at 18:09 (1,180 days old) by W6984 (Binghamton,NY) | ||
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Bearings Our ASKO is making the same noise. Was advised to run it into the ground? | ||
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Post# 1106551 , Reply# 13 2/2/2021 at 18:58 (1,171 days old) by lakewebsterkid (Dayton, Ohio) |
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Verdict is..... Bearings. I hate to see it leave the laundry room, but 11 years of hard use is fair. I plan on keeping it and potentially tearing it down. I did, however, manage to get one of the last remaining Kenmore Elite 41982 5.2 cu. ft. machines made. More to come with that being said! | ||
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Post# 1106559 , Reply# 14 2/2/2021 at 20:15 (1,171 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 1106561 , Reply# 15 2/2/2021 at 20:34 (1,171 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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I wouldn't keep using it until it explodes. It could do that when it's high speed spinning and you will literally have a mess.
There are videos and lawsuits showing washers that came apart with parts flying all over. Someone can get injured or killed. Plus, you're likely to have pieces of metal shavings falling into your wash water and entering your clothing with each load going forward. And they could rust and leave stains. CLICK HERE TO GO TO bradfordwhite's LINK
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Post# 1106640 , Reply# 16 2/3/2021 at 18:10 (1,170 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Washers That Fly Apart Bad bearings are not what leads to self-destruction, It is usually spider or drum failures and an Asko or Miele, or Speed Queen will never fly apart, It is most likely new oversized TL and FL washers that are doing this.
The biggest problem with continuing to run a FL washer with bad bearings is when they get pretty loose you may get rust stains on some clothing and the basket will destroy itself and the outer tub etc making any possibility of repairing it too costly.
John L.
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Post# 1106793 , Reply# 17 2/4/2021 at 19:39 (1,169 days old) by Searsbest (Attleboro, Ma) |
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Duet spider failure..
In my decades experience of appliance repair, I have never seen an "Exploding" machine due to spider failure. It will most likely throw an error code for motor/speed issues before it completely fails, and even if it were to completely fail, it would most likely happen in motor ramp up/down when it would never be at a high enough speed to be of any danger..
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Post# 1106807 , Reply# 18 2/4/2021 at 21:29 (1,169 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 I refurbed a 2011 Samsung frontloader in 2016 that friends of my sister gave to her for the repair quote being too costly. Sister figured I could do it for less cost. The spider had broken presumably during spin. The machine didn't "explode" to complete destruction but the drum put a gash in the front half of the outer tub. | ||
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Post# 1106828 , Reply# 19 2/5/2021 at 01:45 (1,169 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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To best of one's knowledge not a single factory repair service will replace bearings or spider on domestic front loaders as a rule. If one or both go during warranty period that is another matter, but otherwise they usually stick with "repair is too expensive" line.
Miele flat out will not replace a spider or bearing as routine service call in house. For in warranty repair washer must be crated and shipped to their New Jersey shops, work done, then shipped back to customer. Out of warranty they will at first often dig in their heels but if customer insists it is same as above, but customer is on hook for all that crating, shipping, etc... plus costs of parts and labor for repair. A member IIRC had either bearings or spider go out on his rather new Miele 4XXX series washer. Miele sent a tech from New Jersey up to his home and advised yes, the problem was as suspected then offered to arrange shipping of appliance back to NJ for repair. Member stood his ground and stated as washer was brand new and bearings/spider shouldn't be going out he wanted a new washer. That is exactly what happened. Across the pond in Europe people including hobbists swap out bearings on Miele and other washers all the time. | ||
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Post# 1106837 , Reply# 21 2/5/2021 at 07:28 (1,169 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Spider-bearing Failures and Replacement On FL Washers I would guess that not even 5% of FL washers that have failures in this area will get fixed so it probably makes more sense to weld the tub assembly together and eliminate another place where many washers start to leak.
On high quality washers like SQs FL machines bearing and seal replacement is quite easy because the trunnion assembly that contains the bearings and seal is bolted to the outside back of the SS outer tub and can be changed in about 1/2 hour in the home.
Keep in mind spider failures should be very rare in well built machines if the washer is used properly. [ lots of detergent, hot water and LCB you will never have a problem with any FL washer ]
The FL machines we saw the most spider failures in the US are,
FD built small door models built from 1998-2011,
The early WP Duet Sport models,
Miele 27" full sized models,
GE Little Swann 27" models
Lots of SS and LG machines.
That said we have seen spider failures in almost all FL machines at times if the machine was badly used as mentioned above, but if you can ruin a spider in a German WP Duet, Maytag Neptune, FD square door or Affinity machine or a SQ FL machine you have some seriously bad laundry habits.
John L.
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Post# 1106839 , Reply# 22 2/5/2021 at 08:06 (1,169 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The aforementioned Samsung did not have bad bearings. I replaced the spider, which was available as a separate part. The front half of the outer tub. The gasket between the outer tub halves. The six bolts on the spider. The seal on the bearings. 143.01 tub front DC97-15596A 83.52 spider DC97-15491A 11.64 spider bolts DC60-40137A 6.22 tub gasket DC69-00804A 4.90 bearing seal DC62-00223A 6.99 shipping ------ 259.21 | ||
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Post# 1106940 , Reply# 23 2/5/2021 at 18:16 (1,168 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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If you have the bearing and your outter tub is good, you might be able to take both to an auto mechanic that has a bearing press. He/she could remove the old and install the new.
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Post# 1106990 , Reply# 24 2/6/2021 at 06:32 (1,168 days old) by henene4 (Heidenheim a.d. Brenz (Germany)) |
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Bearing press If the bearings aren't sealed in (yes, in some designs, the bearings are molded into the tub while they are formed), you don't even need a bearing press. Usually you can knock out the old ones with a chisel and very gently knock in the new ones with a piece of wood of them and the last bit with the old bearing as a spacer. A bit tideous but doable. | ||
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Post# 1106993 , Reply# 25 2/6/2021 at 07:18 (1,168 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Bearing Removable and Instalation | ||
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Post# 1106998 , Reply# 26 2/6/2021 at 09:00 (1,168 days old) by bradfordwhite (central U.S.) |
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Yes, bearing installation needs to be done carefully so as not to damage it.
I had the defective bearings replaced on my low mileage car in 2018 when it was still under warranty. It was done by a Nissan dealer yet they screwed it up and less than a year later the bearings were bad again. I found an independent mechanic who did a great job. Even showed me the press they use and why it needs to press on only the edges of the bearing, never the center when installing. | ||
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