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Thread Number: 86002
/ Tag: Ranges, Stoves, Ovens
Wall oven below cooktop? |
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Post# 1105588 , Reply# 1 1/22/2021 at 23:23 (1,186 days old) by CircleW  (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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I've also seen single wall ovens installed in base cabinets with the cooktop located elsewhere. One kitchen I saw had two ovens with a tray base cabinet between them to store bakeware. A countertop was above, with the cooktop in the island. | ||
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Post# 1105615 , Reply# 3 1/23/2021 at 04:17 (1,186 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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That's still a frequent sight in Germany. The oven goes underneath the cooktop and powers/controls it. These sets are common if your kitchen doesn't have the set-up for a wall oven or you're a landlord and just want a basic, cheap kitchen.
Mounting a wall oven underneath a cooktop is another option. In that case, both are powered and controlled independently, with the oven simply connected to 230V and the cooktop 400V. Free-standing ranges are usually considered bottom-of-line here.
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Post# 1105616 , Reply# 4 1/23/2021 at 05:09 (1,186 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Ranges here are popular in the more deluxe versions, like 90 cm stainless ones. Some people even try to get one into a tiny kitchen. Never saw the sense of that, because you loose counter space of the bit you have.
The combination Alexander posted is very rare here. There is still a connection between the oven and the cooktop. Overhere in the NL those were never popular, at least not after the 1980's. Wall ovens and seperate cooktops, like Alexander mentioned too, are pretty much preferred. Although some people with small kitchens only install a combo oven microwave. But you often see a wall oven under a separate cooktop like in this picture.
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Post# 1105626 , Reply# 5 1/23/2021 at 09:56 (1,185 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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Browsing one of German's larges appliance retailers, I see just 50 ranges, while there are 250 ovens. The most expensive one does come with induction but the oven still has knobs. Meanwhile, even MOL oven by Bosch have some sort of touch interface.
There are the extra-wide ranges by Smeg and other companies (I've never heard of) but only a very few. Miele also sell their US ranges here... but you can get an entire kitchen for the price of the fully-equipt model. This is pretty much a landlord kitchen you'd find here. Oven and cooktop come as a set and are connected (and the cheapest unbranded garbage one can find).
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Post# 1105628 , Reply# 6 1/23/2021 at 10:09 (1,185 days old) by bobbins (Victoria, BC, Canada) |
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36" Cooktop There are many reasons. In my case, allow for a 36"gas cooktop and 30" oven below. Allows for more installations options. | ||
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Post# 1105633 , Reply# 7 1/23/2021 at 10:26 (1,185 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I had a look at mediamarkt.de. They too have built in ranges (Einbauherde). It's a category the Dutch Mediamarkt doesn't even carry. Ofcourse the German market is way bigger and there is a replacement market. That replacement market is apparently not interesting here.
I've seen such landlord kitchens. Very cheap. I guess some people who have to buy their own kitchen for a rental buy these too? | ||
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Post# 1105634 , Reply# 8 1/23/2021 at 10:29 (1,185 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass) |
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Never understood putting a built in wall oven directly below a cooktop. Always thought a wall oven's advantages were eye level convenience. Who knew! | ||
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Post# 1105637 , Reply# 9 1/23/2021 at 10:51 (1,185 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 1105658 , Reply# 11 1/23/2021 at 15:02 (1,185 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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Kitchen in rental | ||
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Post# 1105664 , Reply# 13 1/23/2021 at 15:37 (1,185 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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My parents had a 1975 Siemens built in stove with role out oven door with baking sheets that you could hang on the oven door. Here's a picture of a later model. Very convenient for under the counter installation.
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Post# 1105693 , Reply# 14 1/24/2021 at 00:18 (1,185 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc) |
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Oven under the cookstove----OH MY ACHING BACK!!!!Prefer the eye level wall oven.MUCH better. | ||
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Post# 1105696 , Reply# 15 1/24/2021 at 00:31 (1,185 days old) by Logixx (Germany) |
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Your parents were early adopters then. Siemens are currently celebrating 50 years of this feature, being first released in 1970.
I went to the UK Siemens site and discovered something else that is a rarity here: double ovens.
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Post# 1105699 , Reply# 16 1/24/2021 at 01:41 (1,185 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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Yes, the kitchen in GOLDEN GIRLS:
Pardon the flames as in another kitchen fire, ditzy Rose Nylund has done it again!
But that clearly is a free standing cooktop, of which in front of is the occasional use of an unattached built-in oven installed into that part of the counter the cook top in on, that you never see... -- Dave
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Post# 1105700 , Reply# 17 1/24/2021 at 02:38 (1,185 days old) by warmsecondrinse (Fort Lee, NJ) |
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#14 I want to give you 10,000 likes for that!!! The next kitchen I have any say in will have 42" high countertops and either a hob with wall oven or something like one of these. And the refrigerator will be a bottom freezer, counter depth and 2m tall. EVERYTHING i use regularly is in the overhead cabinets! | ||
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Post# 1105706 , Reply# 18 1/24/2021 at 06:17 (1,185 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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I never looked at those ovens with "Backwagen". I'm quite surprised they are still available. I thought it was kind of a gadget back then. It was convenient, but only if you used one baking sheet. The top one is easy to reach, but it's quite a hassle to get to the other ones. Best way to do that is to remove the baking sheet(s) above.
I had a look too at the Siemens UK website. There is even an under the counter double oven!
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Post# 1105785 , Reply# 21 1/25/2021 at 11:31 (1,183 days old) by dermacie (my forever home (Glenshaw, PA)) |
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Post# 1105799 , Reply# 22 1/25/2021 at 12:52 (1,183 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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My wall oven below the cooktop is only a bit lower than a standard range and I also have a storage drawer under the oven. | ||
| Post# 1105878 , Reply# 23 1/26/2021 at 09:12 (1,182 days old) by vacerator (Macomb, Michigan) | ||
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Matt, is your's a 30 inch wide oven? I have never seen a 30 inch model with a drawer when installed under counter, only a narrow filler panel like drop in ranges have. | ||
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Post# 1105889 , Reply# 24 1/26/2021 at 10:51 (1,182 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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30".
I created the drawer from the filler strip and the toe kick area, it's about 6-8" deep and used a lot. | ||
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Post# 1106046 , Reply# 25 1/27/2021 at 19:47 (1,181 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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I agree that an oven is far easier to use if it's at eye height.
I bought this house in 1997. It's a 1941 home, but had been remodeled I think in the 70's, when they expanded the kitchen, added a master bed/bath, and turned a bedroom adjacent to the kitchen into a family room open to the kitchen area. As part of the remodel they installed a tall cabinet next to the fridge, and put an 24" GE P*7 electric oven at eye height in it. Where the old range probably used to go, they extended the counter top from the sink area and put in a 36" electric cooktop. I replaced that electric cooktop (vintage but worn Corning) with a gas unit. My only complaint about the wall oven is that it's electric. I much prefer gas, but gas is probably safer to run in a dedicated range. But the GE P*7 runs well and has relatively even heat. I don't bake much, usually just frozen lasagna etc, so it's not a big deal. I bought a small Oster counter-top convection/oven that's big enough for a 12" frozen pizza. As long as I remember to rotate the pizza 180 degrees half-way through, it works well enough. Although I admit the P*7 would probably do better. I just think the Oster uses less juice per pizza. Prior to this, all my residences were rentals with the obligatory gas range, in various states of repair. So that's what I'm used to. This house also has a patio kitchen with a built-in Frigidaire Compact 30 electric range. Never used that oven. Have used the surface elements, rarely. I'd like to replace it with a gas drop-in range, even have one in storage, but haven't got around to running the gas line to that location. Since I rarely use it, there's not much point. | ||
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Post# 1106067 , Reply# 26 1/27/2021 at 22:55 (1,181 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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GE P-7 24" Wall Oven Hi Rich, That GE probably uses less power per hour than the countertop toaster oven.
The early GE P-7 ovens actually ran all three of the elements on just 120 volts when in the clean cycle, and it could be powered on a 120 20 Amp outlet and reach its cleaning temperature of around 800F.
A well designed kitchen should always have the oven elevated to a convenient height.
John L. | ||
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Post# 1106073 , Reply# 27 1/27/2021 at 23:52 (1,181 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI) |
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I'm updating my electrical panel and checked to see the rating on my 30" Electrolux wall oven - Min circuit rating is 20 A 220V. So yes, a wall oven is not power hungry. Will down size the breaker as right now it's a 50A that was put in to feed my long ago Corning range - that was power hungry... | ||
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Post# 1106077 , Reply# 28 1/28/2021 at 00:09 (1,181 days old) by SudsMaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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| Post# 1106241 , Reply# 29 1/30/2021 at 09:48 (1,178 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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You could not give me A wall oven under a cooktop, I have back trouble and arthritis, no way am i going to stand on my head to get a turkey out of the oven!! Why have a wall oven if it isnt at a convienent height . | ||
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Post# 1106319 , Reply# 31 1/31/2021 at 03:08 (1,178 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Oh deary me! Who would have thought that a solution for small kitchens would lead to so many complaints about back problems. European kitchen makers like to think in solutions, so there is something for everyone. You don't have to have a single oven under the counter when you don't have to. The Dutch institute for Good Living has options for people with back problems like this demo model shows. You can have it every way you want here.
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| Post# 1106321 , Reply# 32 1/31/2021 at 05:11 (1,178 days old) by Beehiveboy (Northamptonshire, England ) | ||
In Europe they don’t tend to be known as wall ovens, they are simply referred to as single ovens. As such they can be installed anywhere that suits the kitchen/user. Also, European ovens are 24” as standard, and if installed under counter the filler panel, certainly in the uk anyway, is installed under the oven, so they are not particularly low to access. It’s fascinating to note the differences between UK Europe and US on something as simple as an oven!
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Post# 1106333 , Reply# 33 1/31/2021 at 08:22 (1,177 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI) |
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On my trips to Israel I see wall ovens mounted in WALLS, and at the appropriate height as in America—so under counter is clearly a European thing versus the “Oy!” that we are accustomed to doing in pushing ourselves, as using an oven should not be one of our typical doing it the hard way, otherwise the oven would be in a range of a free standing design...
— Dave | ||
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